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Watertank cleaning on SM

p.aebersold
 

Hello everyone

Has somebody a good Solution to clean the watertank on a super Maramu

I cannot find any remark in this Forum on this Subjekt


Thanks Paul  sm328


Re: Super Maramu rigging loads

Ian Park
 

Further to my previous reply, I have copied Oliviers instructions.

Ian

Ocean Hobo


I will start with "How did AMEL install the masts and tune the rigging on Santorins, SMs and 54s?" It has now changed as the masts of the 64 and 55 are rigged with discontinuous side shrouds, and the tension is finally set thanks to an hydraulic mast jack tool system and wedges.

The mast steps are bolted through the deck in metal inserts glassed in.
They are installed horizontally, this means parallel to the saloon floor, or perpendicular to the main bulkhead (underneath).
"How did AMEL install the masts?":
First of all, the spreaders are attached to the top shrouds as follows:
-bring the shroud along the mast and mark it (with a permanent marker) at the bottom side of the spreader's hex nut. Mark both shrouds the same way at both speaders. At spreader's end, put the eye bolt at the mark.
The intermediate shrouds will be secured at spreader's ends only once the rigging is tuned.

As the main mast is hanging from the top (thanks to a crane), it is set on the mast step, centered thanks to both "hubs". The first shrouds to be secured are the 4 lower shrouds, which is enough to hold the mast in place. The crane is going away.
Then the forestay with genoa furler is installed on its chain-plate, then both top shrouds, then the backstay.
Once the forestay, backstay and top shrouds' turnbuckles are gently tightened by hand, the lower shrouds should be eased a bit, in order not to interfere with the operation of "setting the mast foot flat on its mast step":
-Concerning the top shrouds, this is made by measuring the distance between the top of the lower swage, and the bottom of the clevis pin which secures the shroud into the chain-plate. This distance must be the same on both sides.
-Concerning the forestay and backstay, they are adjusted (by hand) in order there is no gap between the rubber sole and the aluminum mast step (front and aft). If you see no gap from the beginning, and you want to check if it is close to a gap, ease the backstay (two turns) and tighten the forestay (two turns). If you start seeing a gap aft, then ease the forestay again (one turn) and tighten the backstay again (one turn). If there is no gap: GOOD, if there is still a gap aft, then come back to the original position (one turn less on the forestay, one more turn on the backstay).
Now, you can say the mast is "vertical" (in fact, the Santorins, SMs and 54s are never horizontal, back to front, but always with the bow up, which means the mast is leaning slightly aft).
It is vertical but it should also be straight as no strong tension has been put on the shrouds.

Once the mast is vertical, you will start tensioning the shrouds by pairs, checking that the mast is straight after each tensioning, like, for instance:
-two turns on front lower shrouds, two turns on aft lower shrouds, check
-two turns on top shrouds, check
-three turns on forestay, three turns on backstay, check

And so on until the shrouds feel very stiff. In the end, you will tension the front lower shrouds a bit more than the aft ones, in order to initiate a slight curve aft (the middle of the mast being in front of the foot and top) and then only the intermediate shrouds, not too tight.
To confirm the rigging is tight enough, go out sailing, close hauling with 18/20 knots. The mast should keep straight sideways, and not bend forward, the leeward shrouds should not be loose. If the mast bends forward, then tighten the backstay and the front lower shrouds.

If the mast is not "vertical" from the beginning, it will bend front if you a gap at the front or aft if there is a gap at the aft.

Once the main mast and rigging are set, you can start with the mizzen mast:
-first line it up with the main mast, looking at both from the far aft of the vessel
-then tension the shrouds in order to make a slight curve aft

This is a first description. I probably forgot some details, so... feel free to ask.

Olivier


Re: Super Maramu rigging loads

Ian Park
 

Agree with Herbert re back stays. There was a great response by Olivier about rig tensioning. The foremast is tensioned tightly, including its back stay. The triatic stay is not really needed. The mizzenmast back stays should not be tight as this can lead to cracking on the 'weaker' transom mounting points. This is a result of transfer of shock in a pounding see from the forestay, through the triatic to over tightened mizzen back stays. The mizzen doesn't carry a great weight of sail and the stays are sufficient to take the loads.
I slackened off my mizzen back stays a little after reading the article.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN 96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Climma 9EH A/C Unit needed

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

We had one of our 20 year old Cruise Air units die, the other keeps chugging along.  We ended up replacing it with a 6K BTU Marinaire  unit for the aft cabin. http://www.marinaire.com.  Very fast delivery from Florida.  Good customer service at the time of sale.  Unit is well engineered, VERY quiet,  compact for an easy install and the price was attractive.

Will it last 20 years?  Ask me in 2026.


On Aug 11, 2016, at 22:43, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Hi Alex,
Yes I have tried them  6-8 week delivery
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" 
Date: Thursday, August 11, 2016 5:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Climma 9EH A/C Unit needed
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Good afternoon Eric, 
> 
> Have you contacted https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com
> 
> Sincerely, Alexandre
> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 8/11/16, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] 
> wrote:
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> Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Climma 9EH A/C Unit needed
> To: amelyachtowners@...
> Date: Thursday, August 11, 2016, 4:08 PM
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> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My 9 Eh Climma unit
> finally bought the bullet.
> The delivery time from Italy is extensive and I was
> wondering what options other Amel owners have used.
> Fair Winds,
> Eric
> SM 376 Kimberlite
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Climma 9EH A/C Unit needed

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Climma 9EH A/C Unit needed

karkauai
 

 I just got a whole new unit from Costal Climate Control in Bowie, MD.  They delivered it to Curaçao in 1wk.  If yours is an old one, you'll need a different controller, and they recommended a new evaporator.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Aug 11, 2016, at 5:08 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


My 9 Eh Climma unit finally bought the bullet.
The delivery time from Italy is extensive and I was wondering what options other Amel owners have used.
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM 376 Kimberlite


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upgrading all electronics

James Alton
 

Herbert,

A big thanks to Bill Rouse for the excellent photos and details of how he changed his copper strap for the bonding system.   I suspect that the keel bolt grounding connection on Sueno will need to be renewed as well though as you point out the design might be a little different.  Am I correct that this connection is needed so that the iron keel is protected along with the other keel bolts?  

Best,
James

On Aug 11, 2016, at 4:02 PM, herbert@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

james, I am not familiar with the Maramu, but the SN and the SM have the bonding connection to the keel with a copper stripe that goes to a keel bolt in the bilge. there is an excellent documentation how to exchange that by our Bill Rouse that helped many of us to replace the corroded stripe. 

look at this...

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/138287824

 

fair winds,


herbert, SN120, Trinidad




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Climma 9EH A/C Unit needed

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

Agreed, I think that Climma is still the best, and Coastal Climate Control is the place to contact. 

I do not think they have a 9,000btu, but probably have a 10,000btu Compact that will fit perfectly...send them an email at info"at"coastalclimatecontrol.com

Bill
BeBe #387 

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good afternoon Eric,

Have you contacted https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 8/11/16, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Climma 9EH A/C Unit needed
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 11, 2016, 4:08 PM


 










My 9 Eh Climma unit
finally bought the bullet.
The delivery time from Italy is extensive and I was
wondering what options other Amel owners have used.
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM 376 Kimberlite










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Climma 9EH A/C Unit needed

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Eric,

Have you contacted https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico





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On Thu, 8/11/16, kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Climma 9EH A/C Unit needed
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 11, 2016, 4:08 PM


 










My 9 Eh Climma unit
finally bought the bullet.
The delivery time from Italy is extensive and I was
wondering what options other Amel owners have used.
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM 376 Kimberlite










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New Climma 9EH A/C Unit needed

eric freedman
 


Re: Insurance

seagasm@...
 

May I suggest you get a rigging survey. We did that as requested by our insurer and is good for another 7-10 years, our rigging was completely replaced in 2008.

Best Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM 171


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Ask for Bosse and tell him that we recommended them. Pantaenius in Sweden is way cheaper than the other European Pantaenius companies. 

/Ann-Sofie
Lady Annila SM 232.

Skickat från min iPad

11 aug. 2016 kl. 21:41 skrev Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Pantaenius in Sweden. 

/Ann-Sofie S/Y Lady Annila SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

11 aug. 2016 kl. 11:42 skrev osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hello!

just found out that our insurance company would not insure our boat for sailing out of Europe as the standing rig is older than 10 years old. I have no time to change now. Has anyone of you any suggestion on good insurance companies for a European boat sailing outside Europe?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Pantaenius in Sweden. 

/Ann-Sofie S/Y Lady Annila SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

11 aug. 2016 kl. 11:42 skrev osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hello!

just found out that our insurance company would not insure our boat for sailing out of Europe as the standing rig is older than 10 years old. I have no time to change now. Has anyone of you any suggestion on good insurance companies for a European boat sailing outside Europe?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Ian,

Do you know if you are fully covered in case of lightning?

Also could you please forward me the broker info for your insurance?

Thanks in advance!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



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On Thu, 8/11/16, Ian Park parkianj@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, August 11, 2016, 2:41 PM


 









We were with Pantaenius but we're not happy
with cost of Caribbean only cover ( had to continue paying
the European cover as well). Changed to Y Yachts. Half the
price and excess for named storms much better too. They
have special cover for Oyster Yachts and are now looking to
offer same for Amel owners. MD had Maramu fir 10 years.



Ian



'Ocean Hobo' SN 96
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Re: Insurance

Herbert Lackner
 

hi Ian, good to hear from you. I hope Ocean Hobo is doing well in Grenada. Do you have contact information for your insurer? we are with pantaenius but the rates for the carribean are quite high and even much higher for the pacific (~4% of insured value). greetings to linda,  herbert


Re: DOLPHIN carger 24 volt 100 A

karkauai
 

Hi Alan,
I'm looking at the Victron Skylla-I 80 or 100A charger. I am curious what you do about desulfating (equalization) of your batteries. I see that it has an automatic mode, but I understand that the high voltages of thus mode (33V) may damage equipment. When I had my old Freedom charger/inverter, I triggered the equalization mode manually, and during that ?6 hr cycle all 24V equipment was turned off. The Skylla-i also has a manual mode, but it only lasts 1 hour.

I have a 360Ah bank of flooded lead acid batteries that are a hybrid type between cranking and deep cycle.

What is your desulfation routine?

Also, did you confirm there is no connection between the DC side and the AC ground?

Thanks,
Kent


Re: Insurance

Ian Park
 

We were with Pantaenius but we're not happy with cost of Caribbean only cover ( had to continue paying the European cover as well). Changed to Y Yachts. Half the price and excess for named storms much better too. They have special cover for Oyster Yachts and are now looking to offer same for Amel owners. MD had Maramu fir 10 years.

Ian

'Ocean Hobo' SN 96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upgrading all electronics

James Alton
 

Herbert,
  Many thanks for the link and for your clear explanations of the Amel bonding system.  
James


Sent from Samsung Mobile



-------- Original message --------
From: "herbert@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 08-11-2016 4:02 PM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upgrading all electronics


 

james, I am not familiar with the Maramu, but the SN and the SM have the bonding connection to the keel with a copper stripe that goes to a keel bolt in the bilge. there is an excellent documentation how to exchange that by our Bill Rouse that helped many of us to replace the corroded stripe.

look at this...

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/138287824

 

fair winds,


herbert, SN120, Trinidad

 


Re: Super Maramu rigging loads

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi Bill, I bought a new rig from ACMO in 2014 and it was installled in Turkey 2015. ACMO delivered the complete rig that fitted exactly, I only had to tell them the build number. After having it installed in Kusadasi I was not happy with the way they installed it and I "played" with the rig for some weeks until I was really happy with it. I learned a lot about rigging on an Amel in this time and used the info in this forum again and again and again.

I made sure that the masts are straight and the spreaders have the right angle (took me two weeks...) and not bended (only leaning back for some cm) and made sure that it was very tight (later when we crossed the atlantic and used the twin pole system we even made it more tight because of the rig movement we experienced with the big waves and the poles). In the end the only problem were the backstays. I tried to get them tigtht but that was not possible without bending our nice straight main mast. I checked the length of the stays but they were exactly like the original configuration. So in the end I foumnd out (after checking with a lot of other Amels) that the backstays should not be as tight as the other stays, all the other stays are very tight but NOT the backstays. I have seen more than one Amel with tight backstays that had major cracks at the stern.

We did not use an instrument for measuring the "tightness" but there is a very helpful rigging manual published by selden that shows an easy method how to do that only with a measuring tape (just google it)

fair winds

herbert, KALI MERA SN120, Trinidad


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upgrading all electronics

Herbert Lackner
 

james, I am not familiar with the Maramu, but the SN and the SM have the bonding connection to the keel with a copper stripe that goes to a keel bolt in the bilge. there is an excellent documentation how to exchange that by our Bill Rouse that helped many of us to replace the corroded stripe.

look at this...

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/138287824

 

fair winds,


herbert, SN120, Trinidad