Date   

Re: AC earth on SM and SN

rossienio@...
 

Thanks Herbert, I have to change the engine alternator current 60Ah to put one 100Ah. How should we go about finding an alternator that does not have negative grounded?

Enio Rossi
#SN122 EARENDIL
Italy


Re: AC earth on SM and SN

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi enio

On KALI MERA AC ground is connected to the bonding system. Wiring is done at the 230V panel above the galley. 

To prevent Problems in the marina I installed a galvanic Isolator for the 230V ground where it "comes in board"

Herbert
SN120 KALI MERA, Trinidad 


Von meinem Samsung Gerät gesendet.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon,

Thanks Bill for researching the Capacitor.

I am so confused… here is the reply I received from Christian in Austria:

“This is a suppression capacitor, you can remove it! If you then have no interference in television and radio no need to replace it, otherwise if the original is not available you have to look for a replacement.”.

Well, I guess I will be trying the dishwasher next time I used the genset…

Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 9/20/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016, 8:16 AM


 









Alexandre,
What you have is called a “dual
run capacitor” and is typically used to support more than
one motor in a single package.  
The specification you see is 0.22
microFarad and 2 x 4700 picoFarad.
Kent is right, your best bet is
to show the photo, or the part itself, to the supplier.  I
did a quick search and couldn’t match it up by part number
with my normal go-to supplier for electrical
stuff.
Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieLower Chesapeake Bay,
USA“Ships and men
rot in port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Sep 20, 2016, at 06:53,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
Good morning Bill, Kent and
JPH, 

Thanks for your reply.  

Being in 60 Hz country, I only
use the dish washer when I run the genset, so 50 Hertz
only.  

Ok age sounds like the problem
here, which is a good news.  

Question, and forget my
ignorance, what specs do I start looking for regarding the
capacitor?  
I understand 0.22
MicroFarad, but I don’t understand the + 2 x 4700Pf

http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_8.jpg

Thanks again and have a great
day, sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 9/19/16,
'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia
dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday,
September 19, 2016, 9:01 PM


 









Alex,
Capacitors do blow. I think all
will
eventually
either blow or get out of spec. A start capacitor
will blow if it is
left in the circuit too long. The cause
will vary. But, before you begin
to worry about the cause,
replace it and see if it blows
again. It could simply be an
age problem.
However, if you
run that dishwasher on 60htz, you
will blow a capacitor.
Have you been running it on shore
power at 60htz?

BillBeBe
387
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at
6:17 PM, Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Thanks Kent.  



In your opinion, what could be
the cause of that Capacitor
blowing up?  

Age? Or something else?  



Sincerely, Alexandre



------------------------------
--------------

On Mon, 9/19/16, Kent
Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com> wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Explosion & burnt smell
on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND
SOMETHING

To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com

Date: Monday, September 19, 2016,
1:15 PM





 



















That's a capacitor, Alex. 
Use the

numbers to order one
online if you can't find one in
San

Juan.Kent



Kent Robertsonkarkauai@yahoo.
com828-234-6819

voice/text

On Sep 19,

2016, at 12:19 PM, Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com>

wrote:

































 













Good afternoon, 







First of all thanks to Bill (SM2K
#387 BeBe) for the

illustration on removing the
stove and also big thanks
to

Mark (SM #275 Creampuff) and his
details explanation for
the

sequence on removing the cabinet
facade in order to
access

the dishwasher cover. I will post
an illustration later
on.









So, I open the dish washer and
found “something”
(fuse

or capacitor?) burnt…  







As you know, electricity is my
weakness point… 



could someone please let me know
what is that burnt part?






And where to find one?  







http://nikimat.com/eumenia_
dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_
8.jpg



http://nikimat.com/eumenia_
dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_
7.jpg







Here are 10 pictures.  



http://nikimat.com/eumenia_
dishwasher.html







Also, “why” would it
blow?  



Normal wear?  



Something to create the
explosion? (if so then I need
the

cause).  







Anything else I should be looking
at while I am there?  







As always thanks in advance!  







Sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto
Rico

















































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Alexandre,

What you have is called a “dual run capacitor” and is typically used to support more than one motor in a single package.

The specification you see is 0.22 microFarad and 2 x 4700 picoFarad.

Kent is right, your best bet is to show the photo, or the part itself, to the supplier. I did a quick search and couldn’t match it up by part number with my normal go-to supplier for electrical stuff.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Lower Chesapeake Bay, USA
“Ships and men rot in port."
http://fetchinketch.net <http://fetchinketch.net/>

On Sep 20, 2016, at 06:53, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Good morning Bill, Kent and JPH,

Thanks for your reply.

Being in 60 Hz country, I only use the dish washer when I run the genset, so 50 Hertz only.

Ok age sounds like the problem here, which is a good news.

Question, and forget my ignorance, what specs do I start looking for regarding the capacitor?
I understand 0.22 MicroFarad, but I don’t understand the + 2 x 4700Pf

http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_8.jpg

Thanks again and have a great day, sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 9/19/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com <mailto:yahoogroups@svbebe.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
Date: Monday, September 19, 2016, 9:01 PM












Alex,
Capacitors do blow. I think all will
eventually either blow or get out of spec. A start capacitor
will blow if it is left in the circuit too long. The cause
will vary. But, before you begin to worry about the cause,
replace it and see if it blows again. It could simply be an
age problem.
However, if you
run that dishwasher on 60htz, you will blow a capacitor.
Have you been running it on shore power at 60htz?

BillBeBe
387
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at
6:17 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com <mailto:uster@rocketmail.com>
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
wrote:

























Thanks Kent.



In your opinion, what could be the cause of that Capacitor
blowing up?

Age? Or something else?



Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Mon, 9/19/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com <mailto:karkauai@yahoo.com>
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com> wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell
on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com

Date: Monday, September 19, 2016, 1:15 PM

























That's a capacitor, Alex. Use the

numbers to order one online if you can't find one in
San

Juan.Kent



Kent Robertsonkarkauai@yahoo. com828-234-6819

voice/text

On Sep 19,

2016, at 12:19 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com <mailto:uster@rocketmail.com>

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com>

wrote:















































Good afternoon,







First of all thanks to Bill (SM2K #387 BeBe) for the

illustration on removing the stove and also big thanks
to

Mark (SM #275 Creampuff) and his details explanation for
the

sequence on removing the cabinet facade in order to
access

the dishwasher cover. I will post an illustration later
on.









So, I open the dish washer and found “something”
(fuse

or capacitor?) burnt…







As you know, electricity is my weakness point…



could someone please let me know what is that burnt part?






And where to find one?







http://nikimat.com/eumenia_
dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_ 8.jpg



http://nikimat.com/eumenia_
dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_ 7.jpg







Here are 10 pictures.



http://nikimat.com/eumenia_
dishwasher.html







Also, “why” would it blow?



Normal wear?



Something to create the explosion? (if so then I need
the

cause).







Anything else I should be looking at while I am there?







As always thanks in advance!







Sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

















































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks Kent!



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On Tue, 9/20/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016, 6:46 AM


 









Sorry again, Alex.  I don't know the
answer to your question.  I would send a pic of the old
capacitor that shows the numbers and the connectors to a
supplier and ask their advice.
Kent

Kent Robertsonkarkauai@yahoo.com828-234-6819
voice/text
On Sep 20, 2016,
at 6:53 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






Good morning Bill, Kent and JPH,



Thanks for your reply.



Being in 60 Hz country, I only use the dish washer when I
run the genset, so 50 Hertz only.



Ok age sounds like the problem here, which is a good news.




Question, and forget my ignorance, what specs do I start
looking for regarding the capacitor?

I understand 0.22 MicroFarad, but I don’t understand the +
2 x 4700Pf



http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_8.jpg



Thanks again and have a great day, sincerely, Alexandre



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On Mon, 9/19/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell
on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Date: Monday, September 19, 2016, 9:01 PM





 



















Alex,

Capacitors do blow. I think all will

eventually either blow or get out of spec. A start
capacitor

will blow if it is left in the circuit too long. The
cause

will vary. But, before you begin to worry about the
cause,

replace it and see if it blows again. It could simply be
an

age problem.

However, if you

run that dishwasher on 60htz, you will blow a capacitor.

Have you been running it on shore power at 60htz?



BillBeBe

387

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at

6:17 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:































 



















Thanks Kent.







In your opinion, what could be the cause of that
Capacitor

blowing up?



Age? Or something else?







Sincerely, Alexandre







------------------------------ --------------



On Mon, 9/19/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.

com> wrote:







Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt
smell

on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.

com



Date: Monday, September 19, 2016, 1:15 PM











 







































That's a capacitor, Alex.  Use the



numbers to order one online if you can't find one
in

San



Juan.Kent







Kent Robertsonkarkauai@yahoo. com828-234-6819



voice/text



On Sep 19,



2016, at 12:19 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.

com>



wrote:



































































 



























Good afternoon,















First of all thanks to Bill (SM2K #387 BeBe) for the



illustration on removing the stove and also big thanks

to



Mark (SM #275 Creampuff) and his details explanation
for

the



sequence on removing the cabinet facade in order to

access



the dishwasher cover. I will post an illustration
later

on.



















So, I open the dish washer and found “something”

(fuse



or capacitor?) burnt…















As you know, electricity is my weakness point…







could someone please let me know what is that burnt
part?













And where to find one?















http://nikimat.com/eumenia_

dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_ 8.jpg







http://nikimat.com/eumenia_

dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_ 7.jpg















Here are 10 pictures.







http://nikimat.com/eumenia_

dishwasher.html















Also, “why” would it blow?







Normal wear?







Something to create the explosion? (if so then I need

the



cause).















Anything else I should be looking at while I am there?
















As always thanks in advance!















Sincerely, Alexandre







SM2K #289 NIKIMAT







Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



































































































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

karkauai
 

Sorry again, Alex.  I don't know the answer to your question.  I would send a pic of the old capacitor that shows the numbers and the connectors to a supplier and ask their advice.

Kent

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:53 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning Bill, Kent and JPH,

Thanks for your reply.

Being in 60 Hz country, I only use the dish washer when I run the genset, so 50 Hertz only.

Ok age sounds like the problem here, which is a good news.

Question, and forget my ignorance, what specs do I start looking for regarding the capacitor?
I understand 0.22 MicroFarad, but I don’t understand the + 2 x 4700Pf

http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_8.jpg

Thanks again and have a great day, sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 9/19/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, September 19, 2016, 9:01 PM


 









Alex,
Capacitors do blow. I think all will
eventually either blow or get out of spec. A start capacitor
will blow if it is left in the circuit too long. The cause
will vary. But, before you begin to worry about the cause,
replace it and see if it blows again. It could simply be an
age problem.
However, if you
run that dishwasher on 60htz, you will blow a capacitor.
Have you been running it on shore power at 60htz?

BillBeBe
387
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at
6:17 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Thanks Kent.



In your opinion, what could be the cause of that Capacitor
blowing up?

Age? Or something else?



Sincerely, Alexandre



------------------------------ --------------

On Mon, 9/19/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners] com> wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell
on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com

Date: Monday, September 19, 2016, 1:15 PM





 



















That's a capacitor, Alex.  Use the

numbers to order one online if you can't find one in
San

Juan.Kent



Kent Robertsonkarkauai@yahoo. com828-234-6819

voice/text

On Sep 19,

2016, at 12:19 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners] com>

wrote:

































 













Good afternoon,







First of all thanks to Bill (SM2K #387 BeBe) for the

illustration on removing the stove and also big thanks
to

Mark (SM #275 Creampuff) and his details explanation for
the

sequence on removing the cabinet facade in order to
access

the dishwasher cover. I will post an illustration later
on.









So, I open the dish washer and found “something”
(fuse

or capacitor?) burnt…







As you know, electricity is my weakness point…



could someone please let me know what is that burnt part?






And where to find one?







http://nikimat.com/eumenia_
dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_ 8.jpg



http://nikimat.com/eumenia_
dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_ 7.jpg







Here are 10 pictures.



http://nikimat.com/eumenia_
dishwasher.html







Also, “why” would it blow?



Normal wear?



Something to create the explosion? (if so then I need
the

cause).







Anything else I should be looking at while I am there?







As always thanks in advance!







Sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

















































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AC earth on SM and SN

rossienio@...
 

Goodmorning everyone. To see if a new battery charger is compliant with Amel, I should try connecting the charger's body to AC earth of the boat. But someone tell me what is AC earth on Santorin? Thanks for your collabation.
Enio Rossi
SN122 Earendil
Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Bill, Kent and JPH,

Thanks for your reply.

Being in 60 Hz country, I only use the dish washer when I run the genset, so 50 Hertz only.

Ok age sounds like the problem here, which is a good news.

Question, and forget my ignorance, what specs do I start looking for regarding the capacitor?
I understand 0.22 MicroFarad, but I don’t understand the + 2 x 4700Pf

http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_8.jpg

Thanks again and have a great day, sincerely, Alexandre




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On Mon, 9/19/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 19, 2016, 9:01 PM


 









Alex,
Capacitors do blow. I think all will
eventually either blow or get out of spec. A start capacitor
will blow if it is left in the circuit too long. The cause
will vary. But, before you begin to worry about the cause,
replace it and see if it blows again. It could simply be an
age problem.
However, if you
run that dishwasher on 60htz, you will blow a capacitor.
Have you been running it on shore power at 60htz?

BillBeBe
387
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at
6:17 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Thanks Kent.



In your opinion, what could be the cause of that Capacitor
blowing up?

Age? Or something else?



Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Mon, 9/19/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com> wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell
on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com

Date: Monday, September 19, 2016, 1:15 PM





 



















That's a capacitor, Alex.  Use the

numbers to order one online if you can't find one in
San

Juan.Kent



Kent Robertsonkarkauai@yahoo. com828-234-6819

voice/text

On Sep 19,

2016, at 12:19 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com>

wrote:

































 













Good afternoon,







First of all thanks to Bill (SM2K #387 BeBe) for the

illustration on removing the stove and also big thanks
to

Mark (SM #275 Creampuff) and his details explanation for
the

sequence on removing the cabinet facade in order to
access

the dishwasher cover. I will post an illustration later
on.









So, I open the dish washer and found “something”
(fuse

or capacitor?) burnt…







As you know, electricity is my weakness point…



could someone please let me know what is that burnt part?






And where to find one?







http://nikimat.com/eumenia_
dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_ 8.jpg



http://nikimat.com/eumenia_
dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_ 7.jpg







Here are 10 pictures.



http://nikimat.com/eumenia_
dishwasher.html







Also, “why” would it blow?



Normal wear?



Something to create the explosion? (if so then I need
the

cause).







Anything else I should be looking at while I am there?







As always thanks in advance!







Sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

















































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging an SM -- the new rig

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Joel , 
        Thanks for your comments , particularly the need to tighten up  after the new rig has been used for a bit. 
We shall listen out for the tuning fork . 
Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM 302 Hyeres

On 19 Sep 2016, at 18:31, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Ian and Judy. What you mention is great advice to pass along about the ‘new noises’. Wire rigging stretches about 5-8% after you use it ‘hard’ after its first installation. It, essentially, ‘unwinds’. New rigging should be re-snugged up when it shows signs of looseness after it is first installed. As it gets older and is ‘work cycled’ it starts to weaken and actually will stretch a little WHICH IS NOT A GOOD THING. As the rig then gets very slightly loose, it allows things, the mast step included, to move around. The masts are great big aluminum tuning forks and they amplify these new noises significantly. If any Amel starts to make creaky noises, find out why immediately. It is usually the mast step or rigging related. Your Amel should sound like a cathedral at midnight when dealing with waves and heeling which is to say as quiet as a church mouse. And the best move you made was to go to folks with proven experience re-rigging an Amel. I have never, not once, seen a rigging firm re-rig an Amel, the first time they try it, correctly. Substituting ‘inch’ for metric wire is the major sin as inch equivalents are mainly smaller, as well as reusing clevis pins and turnbuckles which is penny wise and pound foolish. The turnbuckle beneath the jib furler is a unique to Amel fitting which many places botch when trying to find a compromise. You will sleep like a baby, a chubby well fed one, with the efforts you have made to “get it right”.

 

Have fun with your Amel!

 

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 11:28 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging an SM -- the new rig

 

 


We had decided to return to Hyeres because we wanted to be absolutely certain that the riggers knew what they were doing. The exercise has been an absolute delight.
Amel use XVoiles, riggers and sailmakers, established since 1978. Philippe and Didier are the current patrons , very much hands on. Their crew includes Olivier who worked for Gatef for 15 years till joining XVoiles 14 years ago, Marc ( who shins up each mast pretty well unaided ) and Christophe.

  They used a crane to take the masts off the boat for a thorough inspection. Made the rigging themselves using ACMO turnbuckles and German wire ( one German company has such a reputation that it has pretty well established a monopoly as a supplier --ACMO use the same company ) they dress the masts, restep them, reconnect all the electrics and then go sailing with you-- in our case a 5 hour spin in winds up to 25 k.  After that, one lower aft on the main mast needed a tweak.

Eric on Kimberlite has recently commented on the silence below while under sail.
I had noticed that Pen Azen had developed a few squeaks, which I put down to old age. However, with the new rig complete silence has returned, so I think it was a slightly slack rig that had caused the noises.
If you develope some squeaks down below, check your rig tension. What Joel and Olivier and others have said about the huge tension of an Amel rig is so true. The XVoiles guys just tightened and tightened, two guys on the fore and back stays.
Impressive. We have a new boat!

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Hyeres


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

galacsea2000 <no_reply@...>
 

Alex,

Just to let you know that these capacitors are original i.e. 2000. Nothing abnormal after 16 years.
Over the years I changed other capacitors such as the fans of the AC units but never for the dishwasher.
If it does not blow up again after you change them, then it is only age.....we all blow a fuse with age...
Regards. JPh


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

karkauai
 

I'm no electrical expert, Alex.  I know that capacitors are often found to be the cause of problems with the A/Cs, but I thought that was because many of us run our A/C on 60Hz shore power.  We are not supposed to run the microwave, dishwasher , or washer/dryer on 60 Hz, but I think that's because of the electronics in those items.

I'm sure there's someone here who has a better answer than this.
Kent
SM243
Kent

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:17 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Kent.

In your opinion, what could be the cause of that Capacitor blowing up?
Age? Or something else?

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 9/19/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, September 19, 2016, 1:15 PM


 









That's a capacitor, Alex.  Use the
numbers to order one online if you can't find one in San
Juan.Kent

Kent Robertsonkarkauai@...
voice/text
On Sep 19,
2016, at 12:19 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Good afternoon,



First of all thanks to Bill (SM2K #387 BeBe) for the
illustration on removing the stove and also big thanks to
Mark (SM #275 Creampuff) and his details explanation for the
sequence on removing the cabinet facade in order to access
the dishwasher cover. I will post an illustration later on.




So, I open the dish washer and found “something” (fuse
or capacitor?) burnt…



As you know, electricity is my weakness point…

could someone please let me know what is that burnt part?


And where to find one?



http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_8.jpg

http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_7.jpg



Here are 10 pictures.

http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher.html



Also, “why” would it blow?

Normal wear?

Something to create the explosion? (if so then I need the
cause).



Anything else I should be looking at while I am there?



As always thanks in advance!



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico
























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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

Capacitors do blow. I think all will eventually either blow or get out of spec. A start capacitor will blow if it is left in the circuit too long. The cause will vary. But, before you begin to worry about the cause, replace it and see if it blows again. It could simply be an age problem.

However, if you run that dishwasher on 60htz, you will blow a capacitor. Have you been running it on shore power at 60htz?

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Kent.

In your opinion, what could be the cause of that Capacitor blowing up?
Age? Or something else?

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 9/19/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 19, 2016, 1:15 PM




 









That's a capacitor, Alex.  Use the
numbers to order one online if you can't find one in San
Juan.Kent

Kent Robertsonkarkauai@yahoo.com828-234-6819
voice/text
On Sep 19,
2016, at 12:19 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






Good afternoon,



First of all thanks to Bill (SM2K #387 BeBe) for the
illustration on removing the stove and also big thanks to
Mark (SM #275 Creampuff) and his details explanation for the
sequence on removing the cabinet facade in order to access
the dishwasher cover. I will post an illustration later on.




So, I open the dish washer and found “something” (fuse
or capacitor?) burnt…



As you know, electricity is my weakness point…

could someone please let me know what is that burnt part?


And where to find one?



http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_8.jpg

http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_7.jpg



Here are 10 pictures.

http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher.html



Also, “why” would it blow?

Normal wear?

Something to create the explosion? (if so then I need the
cause).



Anything else I should be looking at while I am there?



As always thanks in advance!



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico
























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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks Kent.

In your opinion, what could be the cause of that Capacitor blowing up?
Age? Or something else?

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 9/19/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 19, 2016, 1:15 PM


 









That's a capacitor, Alex.  Use the
numbers to order one online if you can't find one in San
Juan.Kent

Kent Robertsonkarkauai@yahoo.com828-234-6819
voice/text
On Sep 19,
2016, at 12:19 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






Good afternoon,



First of all thanks to Bill (SM2K #387 BeBe) for the
illustration on removing the stove and also big thanks to
Mark (SM #275 Creampuff) and his details explanation for the
sequence on removing the cabinet facade in order to access
the dishwasher cover. I will post an illustration later on.




So, I open the dish washer and found “something” (fuse
or capacitor?) burnt…



As you know, electricity is my weakness point…

could someone please let me know what is that burnt part?


And where to find one?



http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_8.jpg

http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_7.jpg



Here are 10 pictures.

http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher.html



Also, “why” would it blow?

Normal wear?

Something to create the explosion? (if so then I need the
cause).



Anything else I should be looking at while I am there?



As always thanks in advance!



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico
























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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

karkauai
 

That's a capacitor, Alex.  Use the numbers to order one online if you can't find one in San Juan.
Kent

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good afternoon,

First of all thanks to Bill (SM2K #387 BeBe) for the illustration on removing the stove and also big thanks to Mark (SM #275 Creampuff) and his details explanation for the sequence on removing the cabinet facade in order to access the dishwasher cover. I will post an illustration later on.

So, I open the dish washer and found “something” (fuse or capacitor?) burnt…

As you know, electricity is my weakness point…
could someone please let me know what is that burnt part?
And where to find one?

http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_8.jpg
http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_7.jpg

Here are 10 pictures.
http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher.html

Also, “why” would it blow?
Normal wear?
Something to create the explosion? (if so then I need the cause).

Anything else I should be looking at while I am there?

As always thanks in advance!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging an SM -- the new rig

amelforme
 

Hi Ian and Judy. What you mention is great advice to pass along about the ‘new noises’. Wire rigging stretches about 5-8% after you use it ‘hard’ after its first installation. It, essentially, ‘unwinds’. New rigging should be re-snugged up when it shows signs of looseness after it is first installed. As it gets older and is ‘work cycled’ it starts to weaken and actually will stretch a little WHICH IS NOT A GOOD THING. As the rig then gets very slightly loose, it allows things, the mast step included, to move around. The masts are great big aluminum tuning forks and they amplify these new noises significantly. If any Amel starts to make creaky noises, find out why immediately. It is usually the mast step or rigging related. Your Amel should sound like a cathedral at midnight when dealing with waves and heeling which is to say as quiet as a church mouse. And the best move you made was to go to folks with proven experience re-rigging an Amel. I have never, not once, seen a rigging firm re-rig an Amel, the first time they try it, correctly. Substituting ‘inch’ for metric wire is the major sin as inch equivalents are mainly smaller, as well as reusing clevis pins and turnbuckles which is penny wise and pound foolish. The turnbuckle beneath the jib furler is a unique to Amel fitting which many places botch when trying to find a compromise. You will sleep like a baby, a chubby well fed one, with the efforts you have made to “get it right”.

 

Have fun with your Amel!

 

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 11:28 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging an SM -- the new rig

 

 


We had decided to return to Hyeres because we wanted to be absolutely certain that the riggers knew what they were doing. The exercise has been an absolute delight.
Amel use XVoiles, riggers and sailmakers, established since 1978. Philippe and Didier are the current patrons , very much hands on. Their crew includes Olivier who worked for Gatef for 15 years till joining XVoiles 14 years ago, Marc ( who shins up each mast pretty well unaided ) and Christophe.

  They used a crane to take the masts off the boat for a thorough inspection. Made the rigging themselves using ACMO turnbuckles and German wire ( one German company has such a reputation that it has pretty well established a monopoly as a supplier --ACMO use the same company ) they dress the masts, restep them, reconnect all the electrics and then go sailing with you-- in our case a 5 hour spin in winds up to 25 k.  After that, one lower aft on the main mast needed a tweak.

Eric on Kimberlite has recently commented on the silence below while under sail.
I had noticed that Pen Azen had developed a few squeaks, which I put down to old age. However, with the new rig complete silence has returned, so I think it was a slightly slack rig that had caused the noises.
If you develope some squeaks down below, check your rig tension. What Joel and Olivier and others have said about the huge tension of an Amel rig is so true. The XVoiles guys just tightened and tightened, two guys on the fore and back stays.
Impressive. We have a new boat!

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Hyeres


[Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon,

First of all thanks to Bill (SM2K #387 BeBe) for the illustration on removing the stove and also big thanks to Mark (SM #275 Creampuff) and his details explanation for the sequence on removing the cabinet facade in order to access the dishwasher cover. I will post an illustration later on.

So, I open the dish washer and found “something” (fuse or capacitor?) burnt…

As you know, electricity is my weakness point…
could someone please let me know what is that burnt part?
And where to find one?

http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_8.jpg
http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_7.jpg

Here are 10 pictures.
http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher.html

Also, “why” would it blow?
Normal wear?
Something to create the explosion? (if so then I need the cause).

Anything else I should be looking at while I am there?

As always thanks in advance!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico


R: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

Giovanni TESTA
 


Hi Ian,

...many thanks well to know, I will do it, more I'll return from where we started, ;-))

Buon Vento...now no problem.

Giovanni


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Data: 19-set-2016 17.29
A: "amelyachtowners@..."
Ogg: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM



----Messaggio originale----
Da: amelyachtowners@...
Data: 19-set-2016 17.29
A: "amelyachtowners@..."
Ogg: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

 

Hi Givanni,
                     Not got the final bill yet, but the quote was for about Euros12,000
Ian


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of 'gtesta23@...' gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 19 September 2016 14:47:11
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: R: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM
 

Hi Jan.

as I'm planning to re rig next year at Hyeres returning from around the world, may you please up date me about the work and its cost ?

All the best

Givanni TESTA

sv EUTIKIA SM 428_2004

La Reunion



----Messaggio originale----
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Data: 19-set-2016 15.42
A: "amelyachtowners@..."
Ogg: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM



----Messaggio originale----
Da: amelyachtowners@...
Data: 19-set-2016 15.42
A: "amelyachtowners@..."
Ogg: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

 

I recently asked Olivier Beaute at what point one should re rig an SM. 30,000 miles was his reply. Mmm... we had just done 60,000 over 16 years, including three years in Chile and some blowy stuff there and back ( 60 knots just north of the Falklands ) . Although I check the rig religiously each season, don't follow our example, listen to Olivier.
We decided to return from Greece to Hyeres, 824 miles non stop. We sailed cautiously in fairly clement conditions until we left the straits of Bonifacio when we were presented with force 7 all night , up to 37 knots for a couple of hours. From the east, so on the beam. Ordinarily a well reefed Pen Azen would have loved the conditions but I had visions of losing the rig on the very last lap, so we reefed to almost nothing and used the Volvo to nudge us along.

I have to say that on arrival in Hyeres the rig still looked brand new. When it was taken down, I'm sure I heard it say " What's all this about ? I'm good for another 60, not sure about you !"

Well, old friend, you deserve your trip to the Great Rigger in the Sky. Like all things Amel you have never let us down. We salute you.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Hyeres






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Givanni,
                     Not got the final bill yet, but the quote was for about Euros12,000
Ian


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of 'gtesta23@...' gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 19 September 2016 14:47:11
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: R: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM
 

Hi Jan.

as I'm planning to re rig next year at Hyeres returning from around the world, may you please up date me about the work and its cost ?

All the best

Givanni TESTA

sv EUTIKIA SM 428_2004

La Reunion



----Messaggio originale----
Da: amelyachtowners@...
Data: 19-set-2016 15.42
A: "amelyachtowners@..."
Ogg: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM



----Messaggio originale----
Da: amelyachtowners@...
Data: 19-set-2016 15.42
A: "amelyachtowners@..."
Ogg: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

 

I recently asked Olivier Beaute at what point one should re rig an SM. 30,000 miles was his reply. Mmm... we had just done 60,000 over 16 years, including three years in Chile and some blowy stuff there and back ( 60 knots just north of the Falklands ) . Although I check the rig religiously each season, don't follow our example, listen to Olivier.
We decided to return from Greece to Hyeres, 824 miles non stop. We sailed cautiously in fairly clement conditions until we left the straits of Bonifacio when we were presented with force 7 all night , up to 37 knots for a couple of hours. From the east, so on the beam. Ordinarily a well reefed Pen Azen would have loved the conditions but I had visions of losing the rig on the very last lap, so we reefed to almost nothing and used the Volvo to nudge us along.

I have to say that on arrival in Hyeres the rig still looked brand new. When it was taken down, I'm sure I heard it say " What's all this about ? I'm good for another 60, not sure about you !"

Well, old friend, you deserve your trip to the Great Rigger in the Sky. Like all things Amel you have never let us down. We salute you.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Hyeres




Re rigging an SM -- the new rig

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 


We had decided to return to Hyeres because we wanted to be absolutely certain that the riggers knew what they were doing. The exercise has been an absolute delight.
Amel use XVoiles, riggers and sailmakers, established since 1978. Philippe and Didier are the current patrons , very much hands on. Their crew includes Olivier who worked for Gatef for 15 years till joining XVoiles 14 years ago, Marc ( who shins up each mast pretty well unaided ) and Christophe.

  They used a crane to take the masts off the boat for a thorough inspection. Made the rigging themselves using ACMO turnbuckles and German wire ( one German company has such a reputation that it has pretty well established a monopoly as a supplier --ACMO use the same company ) they dress the masts, restep them, reconnect all the electrics and then go sailing with you-- in our case a 5 hour spin in winds up to 25 k.  After that, one lower aft on the main mast needed a tweak.

Eric on Kimberlite has recently commented on the silence below while under sail.
I had noticed that Pen Azen had developed a few squeaks, which I put down to old age. However, with the new rig complete silence has returned, so I think it was a slightly slack rig that had caused the noises.
If you develope some squeaks down below, check your rig tension. What Joel and Olivier and others have said about the huge tension of an Amel rig is so true. The XVoiles guys just tightened and tightened, two guys on the fore and back stays.
Impressive. We have a new boat!

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Hyeres


R: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

Giovanni TESTA
 

Hi Jan.

as I'm planning to re rig next year at Hyeres returning from around the world, may you please up date me about the work and its cost ?

All the best

Givanni TESTA

sv EUTIKIA SM 428_2004

La Reunion



----Messaggio originale----
Da: amelyachtowners@...
Data: 19-set-2016 15.42
A: "amelyachtowners@..."
Ogg: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM



----Messaggio originale----
Da: amelyachtowners@...
Data: 19-set-2016 15.42
A: "amelyachtowners@..."
Ogg: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

 

I recently asked Olivier Beaute at what point one should re rig an SM. 30,000 miles was his reply. Mmm... we had just done 60,000 over 16 years, including three years in Chile and some blowy stuff there and back ( 60 knots just north of the Falklands ) . Although I check the rig religiously each season, don't follow our example, listen to Olivier.
We decided to return from Greece to Hyeres, 824 miles non stop. We sailed cautiously in fairly clement conditions until we left the straits of Bonifacio when we were presented with force 7 all night , up to 37 knots for a couple of hours. From the east, so on the beam. Ordinarily a well reefed Pen Azen would have loved the conditions but I had visions of losing the rig on the very last lap, so we reefed to almost nothing and used the Volvo to nudge us along.

I have to say that on arrival in Hyeres the rig still looked brand new. When it was taken down, I'm sure I heard it say " What's all this about ? I'm good for another 60, not sure about you !"

Well, old friend, you deserve your trip to the Great Rigger in the Sky. Like all things Amel you have never let us down. We salute you.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Hyeres