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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Raw Water Anti Siphon Plumbing

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

If the siphon is making a lot of noise, I would bet it is related to the jellyfish in the sea chest. As was noted, low water flow in the engine cooling loop could cause the gurgling, which sounds a bit like cavitation to me.
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Monday, July 4, 2016 3:00 PM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Jeff,
 
I had a similar experience. Our anti siphon is located at the raw water disposal end of the heat exchanger and disposes the water in the mixing elbow. This is to prevent water from siphoning back through the exhaust into the engine. I don’t see what good it would do on the supply side as you state.
 
Systems for this vary. Some have valves. Other are open at the top of the siphon. The down side of the valve is it can become clogged or stuck and you would only know it was faulty when it is too late. The open system is better but it does make noises. If the hole is kept clean, the noise can be lessened. Ours made a whistle that drove me absolutely crazy. I reamed the hole a little wider and ensure I keep it clean. This seems to work.
 
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Super Maramu 2000
Hull #275
www.creampuff.us
Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 2:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Raw Water Anti Siphon Plumbing
 
 
As I suppose is standard procedure, the main engine raw water supply to the engine is routed through a fairly large diameter stainless tube forming an anti siphon loop (I think). A nipple is located on the forward edge of the loop and a small diameter flexible tube runs to the drain for the cockpit under the main hatch grating. Increasingly, this arrangement gurgles like a giant with gastric distress. Besides being annoying, I am wondering why this is happening. There appears to be no check valve in the circuit.

Has anyone experienced the same phenomenon? Remedy?

Jeff
LAST TANGO
A - 54 101




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Raw Water Circuit

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

I cleaned mine out when I found the strainer had clogged up so much you could barely get a pencil through it. Plus I had an eel in the AC pump impeller. The refrigerators and the AC units were all shutting off.

I had to take a broom handle and shove it through the strainer and down through the seacock to get water flow again. You have to close the valve and then open quickly to get the broom in, as a lot of water will come in. Then I hooked up a garden hose to the hose that feeds the fridge and ACs and blasted water through the AC outlet and refrigerator outlets on the port side and near the bow port side. A lot of gook came through but it worked. A messy job though.

Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Monday, July 4, 2016 2:53 PM, "Jeff Wingfield ki4jde@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
I would greatly appreciate advice on cleaning the raw water circuit from the sea chest through the manifold. We are on Chesapeake Bay and jellyfish are clogging the strainer and getting beyond.

Jeff
LAST TANGO




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] B &G Analog Boatspeed Display

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

Jeff, I replaced my B&G Hydra 2000 with the new 5000, but you can get access to the back of the helm gauges above the galley ceiling. There are about 6 small wires to each one that go from there to the processor behind the nav station. Possibly one is loose at the gauge or at the processor. You might try swapping the connections, but I'll bet that is a pain. Does the light on the gauge work?

Good luck, I do not know of any way to test the gauge from the Hydra display itself.

Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Monday, July 4, 2016 2:20 PM, "Jeff Wingfield ki4jde@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
It appears the analog boat speed indicator at the helm has lost its connection to the source. The larger multifunction indicator (digital) is operating and data is still provided to the Furuno helm chart plotter. Anyone have a suggestion for troubleshooting the B & G analog display?

Jeff
LAST TANGO
A 54 - 101




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Raw Water Circuit

Mark Erdos
 

Jeff,

 

When we were in the Chesapeake last summer, I used a shop-vac to suck the jelly fish from the strainer in the seachest. They do not get through the strainer. I did this about every day if we were running the AC or engine.

 

At the end of our season there I was due to service all the water cooled parts on the Yanmar including removing the heat exchanger and after cooler. There we no indications of jellyfish.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 1:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Raw Water Circuit

 

 

I would greatly appreciate advice on cleaning the raw water circuit from the sea chest through the manifold. We are on Chesapeake Bay and jellyfish are clogging the strainer and getting beyond.

Jeff
LAST TANGO


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Portlight Screens

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

Jeff, I have the same problem with the screens. I am planning to try contact cement - the kind you use to seal plastic laminate on wood. I will let you know if it works. It needs something really strong.

Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Monday, July 4, 2016 2:08 PM, "Jeff Wingfield ki4jde@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Gaskets surrounding the white plastic screen frames are coming loose from the frame. It appears the black rubber gasket is attached with double sided tape pr perhaps another adhesive. Does anyone have a suggestion for the best adhesive to repair/reattach the gasket?

Jeff
LAST TANGO
A 54 -- 101




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi James,
the dolphin has a simple small screwdriver turned selector for all battery types. It is located under the removable cover on the bottom front of the unit. The selector is very small and quite hard to see if you don't know its there. It is at the top left of the area exposed by the cover removal.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2016 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

 
Thanks for the advice. I am not sure what others have but I have the Mastervolt 24V alternator and it has an external smart regulator. I need to read up on it, but presumably it could handle any type of AGM batteries, since that is what I had with the Intimidators. I know my Morningstar MPPT solar regulator is set for AGM. The boat came with the original Dolphin 100A and a replacement Charles 45A, which is what I use when I am plugged in. Again, I know it is set to AGM. I am not sure about the Dolphin, since I was rarely on generator power and even then the Charles seems to do the trick.

I am going to discuss all with my electrician after my insurance company approves the repairs. My insurance wants a thorough test of the entire electrical system, and my electrician is the one who added the fuse systems that protect all the feeders from the battery compartment - there are I think 10 fuses on the wall just downstream of the main cutoff switches. I do not have a fuse in the 12V starter/alternator feeder to the engine. By the way, one of the 24V fuses blew when the explosion happened. It may have been a fire if I did not have that fuse installed - who knows. Thank goodness there was no fire.

Still no final statement from the surveyor the insurance company hired as to what caused the explosion.

Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044




On Monday, July 4, 2016 5:50 AM, "svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Agree with Bill's comments.  In our case, we had to re-program both Mastervolt chargers for AGM charging and add external Mastervolt regulation to the factory Leece-Neville alternator, also properly programmed for AGM charging.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350
At anchor, Camoglie (Génova)





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Raw Water Anti Siphon Plumbing

Mark Erdos
 

Jeff,

 

I had a similar experience. Our anti siphon is located at the raw water disposal end of the heat exchanger and disposes the water in the mixing elbow. This is to prevent water from siphoning back through the exhaust into the engine. I don’t see what good it would do on the supply side as you state.

 

Systems for this vary. Some have valves. Other are open at the top of the siphon. The down side of the valve is it can become clogged or stuck and you would only know it was faulty when it is too late. The open system is better but it does make noises. If the hole is kept clean, the noise can be lessened. Ours made a whistle that drove me absolutely crazy. I reamed the hole a little wider and ensure I keep it clean. This seems to work.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 2:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Raw Water Anti Siphon Plumbing

 

 

As I suppose is standard procedure, the main engine raw water supply to the engine is routed through a fairly large diameter stainless tube forming an anti siphon loop (I think). A nipple is located on the forward edge of the loop and a small diameter flexible tube runs to the drain for the cockpit under the main hatch grating. Increasingly, this arrangement gurgles like a giant with gastric distress. Besides being annoying, I am wondering why this is happening. There appears to be no check valve in the circuit.

Has anyone experienced the same phenomenon? Remedy?

Jeff
LAST TANGO
A - 54 101


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Raw Water Anti Siphon Plumbing

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Jeff,

The thin tube up to the cockpit serves two purposes.  First, and most important, is to allow air into the anti-syphon loop.  By routing the hose up into the cockpit, there is no need for a checkvalve.  You do not care if water runs out of that tube, since it immediately runs overboard down the cockpit drain.

I am not sure exactly the physical arrangement on a 54, but water running out of that tube can also serve as a visual or audible indicator of normal flow through the engine, if it is noticible at the helm position.

Your question about why it is making more noise than it used to:  I assume the noise is coming from the small tube and not the cockpit drain itself. 

There are a couple of possibilities.  All of the likely ones I can think of center on a lower water flow than there used to be.  Under normal operation when the engine is at cruising speed there should enough backpressure for a steady stream of water to come out of that tube.  No air, hence no “gurgling”.  

It would not be unusual for this setup to “gurgle” when the engine was idling, or for a few seconds after being shut down, but not when running at speed.  

Have you checked your raw water impeller recently?


Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ




On Jul 4, 2016, at 14:21, Jeff Wingfield ki4jde@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

As I suppose is standard procedure, the main engine raw water supply to the engine is routed through a fairly large diameter stainless tube forming an anti siphon loop (I think). A nipple is located on the forward edge of the loop and a small diameter flexible tube runs to the drain for the cockpit under the main hatch grating. Increasingly, this arrangement gurgles like a giant with gastric distress. Besides being annoying, I am wondering why this is happening. There appears to be no check valve in the circuit. 

Has anyone experienced the same phenomenon? Remedy?

Jeff
LAST TANGO
A - 54 101



Volvo Raw Water Anti Siphon Plumbing

Jeff Wingfield <ki4jde@...>
 

As I suppose is standard procedure, the main engine raw water supply to the engine is routed through a fairly large diameter stainless tube forming an anti siphon loop (I think). A nipple is located on the forward edge of the loop and a small diameter flexible tube runs to the drain for the cockpit under the main hatch grating. Increasingly, this arrangement gurgles like a giant with gastric distress. Besides being annoying, I am wondering why this is happening. There appears to be no check valve in the circuit.

Has anyone experienced the same phenomenon? Remedy?

Jeff
LAST TANGO
A - 54 101


B &G Analog Boatspeed Display

Jeff Wingfield <ki4jde@...>
 

It appears the analog boat speed indicator at the helm has lost its connection to the source. The larger multifunction indicator (digital) is operating and data is still provided to the Furuno helm chart plotter. Anyone have a suggestion for troubleshooting the B & G analog display?

Jeff
LAST TANGO
A 54 - 101


Portlight Screens

Jeff Wingfield <ki4jde@...>
 

Gaskets surrounding the white plastic screen frames are coming loose from the frame. It appears the black rubber gasket is attached with double sided tape pr perhaps another adhesive. Does anyone have a suggestion for the best adhesive to repair/reattach the gasket?

Jeff
LAST TANGO
A 54 -- 101


Saloon Portlight Seals

Jeff Wingfield <ki4jde@...>
 

We are experiencing occasional leakage around the seal in a saloon port. Can the gasket around the glass be replaced? Source?

Jeff
LAST TANGO
A 54 - 101


Raw Water Circuit

Jeff Wingfield <ki4jde@...>
 

I would greatly appreciate advice on cleaning the raw water circuit from the sea chest through the manifold. We are on Chesapeake Bay and jellyfish are clogging the strainer and getting beyond.

Jeff
LAST TANGO


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM re-rigging plus mast painting

antonio scipioni
 

I have been in Rome last winter to paint my Mast and change The rig. That where really good, and much more cheep. IF needs you can call there and ask for Paolo. Nautilus Marina +39 066581221
Br
Antonio
SN108 Vagabundo 
Roma

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 02/lug/2016, alle ore 15:35, Stefano Biffi cptbiffi@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

Hallo everybody, my Lady is ready to be re-rigged, I'm in contact in France with Russo yachting. They offer me the full painting of the masts and bomas done as new: sanding priming and 3 hands painting for around, not yet finalized, 26K and 6 weeks of work.
Re-rigging with BSI terminals for around 4000, still waiting a new offer with ACMO as I requested.
I also gave a call in Malta to a rigger who already work for Bill, waiting for his offer.
Now my question is :anybody knows a place in Italy, will be closer for me, where You suggest to ask a price forecast?
Thanks for you time and ciao

Stefano
N'EVEREST SM185
now Cagliari Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Swim ladder for swim step

Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Ben,

We have one very simple but a bit of a compromise.. Like most things...

Jean-Pierre Germain 
Eleuthera SM007



On 4 Jul 2016, at 15:34, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I'm looking to add a swim ladder to swim step.  Ideally this would b something that is easy to set up and remove when sailing.    Has anyone addd one?  If so, can you provide details?


Thanks

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Grenada 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

ms42phantom54@...
 

Jean-Pierre, you are correct about the cost, and if it were me alone my eyes would water indeed. Not sure what my insurance adjuster is going to say when I talk to her on Tuesday, but my insurance should be covering at least a part of the battery replacement. When you look at the total repair costs for the battery explosion, I am responsible for the deductible. What I am not sure about yet is what batteries they will authorize and if they will prorate the coverage, since mine were a bit more than 4 years old.

My only hope is to put in the best I can, so I do not have a repeat.
Thanks,

Jamie


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

Thanks for the advice. I am not sure what others have but I have the Mastervolt 24V alternator and it has an external smart regulator. I need to read up on it, but presumably it could handle any type of AGM batteries, since that is what I had with the Intimidators. I know my Morningstar MPPT solar regulator is set for AGM. The boat came with the original Dolphin 100A and a replacement Charles 45A, which is what I use when I am plugged in. Again, I know it is set to AGM. I am not sure about the Dolphin, since I was rarely on generator power and even then the Charles seems to do the trick.

I am going to discuss all with my electrician after my insurance company approves the repairs. My insurance wants a thorough test of the entire electrical system, and my electrician is the one who added the fuse systems that protect all the feeders from the battery compartment - there are I think 10 fuses on the wall just downstream of the main cutoff switches. I do not have a fuse in the 12V starter/alternator feeder to the engine. By the way, one of the 24V fuses blew when the explosion happened. It may have been a fire if I did not have that fuse installed - who knows. Thank goodness there was no fire.

Still no final statement from the surveyor the insurance company hired as to what caused the explosion.

Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044




On Monday, July 4, 2016 5:50 AM, "svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Agree with Bill's comments.  In our case, we had to re-program both Mastervolt chargers for AGM charging and add external Mastervolt regulation to the factory Leece-Neville alternator, also properly programmed for AGM charging.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350
At anchor, Camoglie (Génova)



Swim ladder for swim step

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I'm looking to add a swim ladder to swim step.  Ideally this would b something that is easy to set up and remove when sailing.    Has anyone addd one?  If so, can you provide details?


Thanks

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Grenada 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Blue Sea Battery Fuses

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Gary,

 

He is a link to our set up on Cream Puff. It is one of the scenarios you are considering: http://www.creampuff.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Batteries-Located-Under-Midships-Bunk.jpg

 

The battery dimensions in inches are:

Length: 12.81

Width:  6.56

Height: 9.38

 

We have no problem closing the lid with the Blue Sea fuses in place. I am no expert on these matters. I cannot talk to the advantages or disadvantage of this arrangement. The previous owner arranged this set up. He was very intelligent on electrical stuff. When we purchased, the surveyor researched and approved it. We have kept the set up the same based on that.

 

Hope this helps a little.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:33 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Blue Sea Battery Fuses

 

 

Hi All, 

 

I am considering placing Blue Sea battery fuses on my batteries.  I have a couple of questions:

1.  Does it make sense to place one on each pair of batteries (i.e. 4 fuses) or does it make sense to place a fuse on each battery (in my case 8 fuses and of course more expense).

2.  Dimensionally will these fuses clear the battery compartment cover?  I have Trojan SCS 225 batteries that have dual studs one of which is taller than the other. 

3.  Would it also make sense to place a fuse on the master stud (i.e. the main connection point that is on the mid-starboard wall of the battery compartment?

Looking for thoughts and/or experience/alternative manufacturers etc. 

 

Sincerely, 

 

Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona    Amel SM #335


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Blue Sea Battery Fuses

rossirossix4
 

In the pre-purchase survey for my Santorin 13 years ago the surveyor noted that ABYC required a fuse for the house batteries.  Also, a disconnect for the starter battery was also required.  My insurance company concurred.  ABYC has stardards for types and location of over current protection and premissible distances..  The reason for the engine starter circuit disconnect is that if the starter sticks and keeps cranking, overcurrent and a fire may occur.  SMs do have starter disconnects because our shut-offs cut current from both the house and starting batteries.  Note BTW that the Santorin is 12V with higher amps to its bow thruster-I believe I had a 250 amp fuse and never blew it.  My surveyor made another good suggestion.  In case you blow a fuse and then  your only spare (and are able to actually find the condition that caused it) make the cable to the fuse long enough so  that it can be bolted together for emergency use.  Here are a couple of sites that might be helpful in "doing it right"  http://assets.bluesea.com/files/resources/reference/2010_ABYCexcerpts.pdf   and Battery Bank Fusing by Compass Marine How To

2 years ago we left our berth in Queensway Quay Marina for a week long trip to Morocco and Ceuta.  Upon returning we learned that the night before, the 65' powerboat that was fender to fender to us burnt up and sunk (rather was sunk by tugs to put the fire out)...electrical fire!  You got me thinking about a fuse!  Major fire in Queensway Quay, luxury yacht burnt


 Bob, KAIMI SM 429