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Re: A54 rudder removal

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Bill,

 

Many thanks. I have just one more question (I hope!): when I replace the stuffing should I pack with grease?

 

I think I need to get your book.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 17 January 2020 13:12
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 rudder removal

 

Paul,

 

They are installed in layers. Sometimes, replacing the first layer is all that is needed, but there is no guarantee. If you replace the first layer, it may still leak at some point in the near future. That choice is yours.

 

I am not sure what tools you are using to remove the packing. There are many different tools available:

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I hope this helps you.


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On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 10:46 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Bill,

 

After painstakingly digging out one of the existing stuffing rings I see no sign of dampness and the one I see below it seems to be in pretty good condition. As far as I know this is the first time this has been done and the boat is 12 years old. So I’m wondering if there is any point in going any further? I could just replace the one I dug out. What would be your advice?

 

And if I do need to replace all three then is there a prescribed technique for removing them? For the top one I just hacked away any which way I could!

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 16 January 2020 11:14
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 rudder removal

 

Paul, 

 

The rudder stuffing box should be the only thing that may need attention on your 54.

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On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 7:43 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Thanks Bill, I’ll give it a try. I was wondering if there may be anything else that needs to be checked rudder-wise hence the notion of removing it.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 15 January 2020 21:17
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 rudder removal

 

You do not need to remove the rudder on the 54 to change the packing. You need to remove the top of the rudder post (the quadrant). Then remove the packing nut from the rudder post, remove the old packing, then insert new packing from Amel, and tighten the nut. In 90 days, you will likely need to tighten the nut again.

 

I have more detailed instructions, but considering your experience, the above will likely work for you.


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On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:24 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I want to remove my rudder to change the stuffing and do a general inspection, but have no clue as to how this is done, so would very much appreciate a point in the right direction.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Awning

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Herbert,

 

That’s a good looking awning you have. Where did you get it made?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Herbert Lackner
Sent: 19 January 2020 21:10
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Furler Top Swivel Santorin

 

forgot the foto...


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Re: Furler Top Swivel Santorin

Herbert Lackner
 

forgot the foto...

Re: Furler Top Swivel Santorin

Herbert Lackner
 

I love this group!

@Hans: I did the same now, cleaned the foil several times, and it runs fine again, seems to be ok now. Next time we hoist the genua I will do this again. cleaning, cleaning, cleaning...  I am glad that I do not have to remove the furler...

@Ann-Sofie: the SN has a different swivel, nor GRP tube, Kali Mera ist from 1995, I think the last SNs have been build ~1996?, maye they changed it after that.

after a short sailing season we have to return to work, Kali Mera is relaxing in Mazatlan until October, with her new boat cover on. We made this last year and it turned out to be great. Temperature  inside is ~10 degrees C  lower, boat was absolutely clean and dry...   one of the "enhancements" I would do again.

fair winds
herbert, SN120, Kali Mera
 

Re: Furler Top Swivel Santorin

JOHANN HOCK
 

Hi Herbert,
I have had the same problem.After cleaning the foil with the tool for setting the Pasatsail, wraped with a smooth cloth, it runs well. Try it several times; cleaning the cloth. at least I saoked a clean cloth with a lubricant.
Kind regards
Hans
SN BEWOHIHA
 

From: Herbert Lackner
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 1:22 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Furler Top Swivel Santorin
 
Thx Ann-Sofie, I found the file - very good documentation!.  Unfortunately the SN Swivel seems to be different. I cannot see the inner plastic-tube, also the two other parts look different.

does anyone know if the SN swivel (1995) has an inner plastic tube or bearings? It seems to me that there are only two parts, an inner part that just slides on the foil and an outer part with bearings between inner and outer part.

@Danny: thx for the hint, will wash it with fresh-water. 

herbert

Manuals for Diesel Engines

Mark Erdos
 

Here’s a link to a site with free downloads for manuals on diesel engines:

 

 https://www.marinedieselbasics.com/diesel-engine-manuals/?fbclid=IwAR2glmqWBkNxVlKAOIX9RRTMCX0oh8aDJJ9sfuJ5CSwLj3mF0OOPWMdSN-Q

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

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Re: Sailing higher latitudes

Patrick McAneny
 

I've done the same myself , 4 inch duct fits perfectly in the engine exhaust port and provides a fair amount of warm air to the cockpit. I was pretty sure I had no exhaust leaks ,but having a carbon monoxide detector in the cockpit would probably be a good precaution.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


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From: Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2020 3:40 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Sailing higher latitudes

I remember seeing a post from...Jose? .... where he had routed some air con hose from the engine room fan outlet on the port side in to the cockpit
That seemed to me to be a really simple and good solution
Fortunately we don't need that.....
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: Sailing higher latitudes

Bengt Martensson
 

A tip from US. You can use the hot air from the engine rom, put an elbil and a pipe from the air ventilation.

Re: Furler Top Swivel Santorin

marklesparkle59
 

Is it like this? There is a black plastic bush in the first photo between the furling foil and the sliding casting. I think that replacing the bottom bush will make sliding the casting up to the Genoa head to release the clamp much easier. This is on my long list of winter projects, any ideas welcome.
Mark Porter
Sea Hobo
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Re: Furler Top Swivel Santorin

Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg
 

You don’t see that tube unless you have dismounted the swivel. 
Send an e-mail to Amel and ask, our boats are so close in year that it could be the same. Lady Annila is from 1998.

Hälsningar
Ann-Sofie Svanberg


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19 jan. 2020 kl. 01:22 skrev Herbert Lackner <herbert@...>:

Thx Ann-Sofie, I found the file - very good documentation!.  Unfortunately the SN Swivel seems to be different. I cannot see the inner plastic-tube, also the two other parts look different.

does anyone know if the SN swivel (1995) has an inner plastic tube or bearings? It seems to me that there are only two parts, an inner part that just slides on the foil and an outer part with bearings between inner and outer part.

@Danny: thx for the hint, will wash it with fresh-water. 

herbert

Re: Sailing higher latitudes

Alan Leslie
 

I remember seeing a post from...Jose? .... where he had routed some air con hose from the engine room fan outlet on the port side in to the cockpit
That seemed to me to be a really simple and good solution
Fortunately we don't need that.....
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: Furler Top Swivel Santorin

Herbert Lackner
 

Thx Ann-Sofie, I found the file - very good documentation!.  Unfortunately the SN Swivel seems to be different. I cannot see the inner plastic-tube, also the two other parts look different.

does anyone know if the SN swivel (1995) has an inner plastic tube or bearings? It seems to me that there are only two parts, an inner part that just slides on the foil and an outer part with bearings between inner and outer part.

@Danny: thx for the hint, will wash it with fresh-water. 

herbert

Re: Furler Top Swivel Santorin

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Herbert,

I know this is too simple but wash it thoroughly to get the salt off. If you lube it with the salt there the lube just retains the salt. Thoroughly wash the swivel bearings too, before you lube them

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean pearl 

On 19 January 2020 at 08:50 Herbert Lackner <herbert@...> wrote:

Hi Amelians,

I am working on KALI MERAs Genua Top Swivel.  It does not slide up and down easy, sticks to the foil under load. I cleaned the foil and used rigging lubricant, but still it does not go up and down smooth.  How is the connection between foil and swivel? Are there bearings or does it just slide (metal to metal).

Especially at the upper part of the foil there are already some scratches, I tried to polish them out, but you can see that the swivel creates theses scratches, and under load it "jams".  After polishing the foil and plenty of spray I can set the Genua, but it it is not as it should be.

Any ideas how to solve that? 

thank you very much for your help

herbert
SN120, KALI MERA, Mexico


Re: Furler Top Swivel Santorin

Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg
 

If the swivel is the same as on a SM, there is bearings.
We took ours apart and filed a document under files. I don’t renember the name if the doc but Genua Swivel or Forstay or something similar.

There is a lot if pictures how the swivel looks and how it works.

Regards
Ann-Sofie 
on S/Y Lady Annila SM232, 1998.


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18 jan. 2020 kl. 20:50 skrev Herbert Lackner <herbert@...>:

Hi Amelians,

I am working on KALI MERAs Genua Top Swivel.  It does not slide up and down easy, sticks to the foil under load. I cleaned the foil and used rigging lubricant, but still it does not go up and down smooth.  How is the connection between foil and swivel? Are there bearings or does it just slide (metal to metal).

Especially at the upper part of the foil there are already some scratches, I tried to polish them out, but you can see that the swivel creates theses scratches, and under load it "jams".  After polishing the foil and plenty of spray I can set the Genua, but it it is not as it should be.

Any ideas how to solve that? 

thank you very much for your help

herbert
SN120, KALI MERA, Mexico


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Furler Top Swivel Santorin

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi Amelians,

I am working on KALI MERAs Genua Top Swivel.  It does not slide up and down easy, sticks to the foil under load. I cleaned the foil and used rigging lubricant, but still it does not go up and down smooth.  How is the connection between foil and swivel? Are there bearings or does it just slide (metal to metal).

Especially at the upper part of the foil there are already some scratches, I tried to polish them out, but you can see that the swivel creates theses scratches, and under load it "jams".  After polishing the foil and plenty of spray I can set the Genua, but it it is not as it should be.

Any ideas how to solve that? 

thank you very much for your help

herbert
SN120, KALI MERA, Mexico


Re: Sailing higher latitudes

Arnold Mente
 



Am 14.01.2020 um 20:46 schrieb marklesparkle59 <marklesparkle59@...>:

I am enjoying the high latitudes chat. Thank you for your stories. Hoping for more.
Mark 
Sea Hobo
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Arnold Mente

Urbaniweg 12
7000 Eisenstadt 

Tel: +43 660 6699019

arnold.mente@...
Hi, 

I can recommend a Eberspächer Hydronic installed in my SM with exit at the helm position! It is excellent for sailing in cold period with a complete closure 
of the cockpit!!

BR
Arnold
SY Zephyr
SM203


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Re: A54 rudder removal

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Tom, 
We have done both rudder gland packing an the bowthruster while in the water without issues.
The jobs were done whilst in a marina berth with no water movement.
We replaced all three rings of packing with the cut ends offset from each other.
Cheers 
Alan
Elyse SM 437 

Re: Aluminium anodes for Sidepower

Ruslan Osmonov
 

Hi Paul, You need to know that there are no aluminum parts on a circuit. If you have Zinc, Aluminum, and Steel on one circuit. What is going to happen is that corrosion will always start with Zinc, then Aluminum, when both Zinc and Alu are eaten, corrosion will start eating Steel. If you have two similar metals, say two Alu parts, they are similar from corrosion perspective and you never know which one will go away first. In some case one will be eaten more than the other, sometimes equal parts, or the other way around. So if you have Alu part on a circuit I would always use Zinc to save Alu part. 
Magnesium is the best for fresh water.
One thing to be aware of is Alu oxidation, if you don’t clean it, it will oxidate and may become ineffective. 

Bill, Zinc on Alu boats is an example of a mix. 

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 3:50 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Paul,

This falls into the category of "If you look long enough, you can usually find different opinions and sometimes, even different facts. Maybe my response can be considered as falling into that category, but I am making it in the spirit of helping Amel owners.

I believe this to be true: Generally speaking, Aluminum is for fresh/brackish water and Zinc for saltwater. And, generally speaking, you never mix aluminum and zinc in a bonding system. If you want to know for sure, I would ask Amel. The reason I would ask Amel rather than SidePower, or anyone else is that others probably don't know that the Amel bonding system is connected to the SidePower bow thruster and this may cause an issue of mixing aluminum and zinc in the same bonding circuit. That said, in the SidePower installation and user manual states that "ZINC ANODES" are to be used. Lastly, we should all be cautious about changing proven and working systems and devices, especially when we are not completely knowledgeable of the system or device and their interconnections to other systems and devices.
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On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 2:02 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I came across this https://www.boatzincs.com/sm201180.html where it says aluminium anodes are superior to zinc for the Sidepower thruster. Has anyone had any experience using aluminium anodes?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Re: Aluminium anodes for Sidepower

 

Paul,

This falls into the category of "If you look long enough, you can usually find different opinions and sometimes, even different facts. Maybe my response can be considered as falling into that category, but I am making it in the spirit of helping Amel owners.

I believe this to be true: Generally speaking, Aluminum is for fresh/brackish water and Zinc for saltwater. And, generally speaking, you never mix aluminum and zinc in a bonding system. If you want to know for sure, I would ask Amel. The reason I would ask Amel rather than SidePower, or anyone else is that others probably don't know that the Amel bonding system is connected to the SidePower bow thruster and this may cause an issue of mixing aluminum and zinc in the same bonding circuit. That said, in the SidePower installation and user manual states that "ZINC ANODES" are to be used. Lastly, we should all be cautious about changing proven and working systems and devices, especially when we are not completely knowledgeable of the system or device and their interconnections to other systems and devices.
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On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 2:02 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I came across this https://www.boatzincs.com/sm201180.html where it says aluminium anodes are superior to zinc for the Sidepower thruster. Has anyone had any experience using aluminium anodes?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Aluminium anodes for Sidepower

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Hi all,

 

I came across this https://www.boatzincs.com/sm201180.html where it says aluminium anodes are superior to zinc for the Sidepower thruster. Has anyone had any experience using aluminium anodes?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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