Re: Sand Blasting vs. Soda
Ralf Schroeder
Hello,
My boys used sand blasting for my baghira. But they blasted sand in three or more steps. So it's not that difficult for the ship. After that, the Baghira has some very small holes. But this holes also has a different owner when he removed the old layers of paint with a random orbital sander. This is not from blasting, but from air or water inclusions in the old painting and the beginning of osmosis. So he and my boys smooth the ships with an epoxy spatula. Then 7 layers of an epoxy paint and then the antifouling. Now, it looks very good. Ralf SV Baghira, Sharki #42
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Santorin Genoa Furler Motor
Ian Park
I am having trouble sourcing brushes and springs for the 12v furling motor. It is made by Bosch but the serial number on the motor is not recognised by Bosch. Does anyone know any more detail about the motor? I have had quotes for fabricating brushes and springs at a considerable price. Ian
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Re: Sand Blasting vs. Soda
I hired 2 guys in Turkey...2 days at about 6 hours a day and one of them worked twice as hard/fast as the other.
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Re: Any data on B&G displays
It is likely that it is the B&G Hydra 2000 Processor. You should consider it at end-of-life at 18 years old. You are in a beautiful spot. There is a place in England (https://www.aandtinstruments.com/) that might be able to repair the processor, but while it is removed, you will have nothing including no depth. Also, was the wind working on the digital display before this happened? When was the last time the wind was working? There are technicians on Grenada and Trinidad, but if it is the processor, they probably will not be able to help. There is a good B&G tech and shop in Nanny Cay Yard, Tortola, BVI. Bill
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 4:05 PM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote: Hi together!
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Re: Sand Blasting vs. Soda
Patrick McAneny
Bill, Come on,you are too young to be in that old school. I stood back today and looked at that big hull and thought about how long it would take me to scrape and sand it down to the gel coat ,probably 200 hrs.,then walked right over to the office to inquire about sand blasting. Eric has me rethinking using a stripper,like Peel Away,but my negative side figures it probably doesn't work as advertised,nothing does.
Stay Safe Down There,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2020 4:20 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Sand Blasting vs. Soda Well, in this case, I am more old-fashion than Eric! Scrape, then sand.
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Any data on B&G displays
Hi together!
We have on our SM from 2002 the original B&G Hydra 2000 system. This morning, I switched it on and all 4 displays on the helmstaition showing nothing at all. But down at the navstation the Hydra 2000 FFD shows all except the wind informations. I’m not very experienced in electronics but my suggestion is the processor could be the problem. Has anyone ever had this problem? Thank you Stefan SM OYA, 373 Tobago Cays, Grenadines
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Re: Sand Blasting vs. Soda
Well, in this case, I am more old-fashion than Eric! Scrape, then sand.
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Re: Stainless steel arch Canaries
Mohammad Shirloo
Thank you. I’m sure more questions will pop up as we get more involved in the design.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
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On Behalf Of Paul Stascavage via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 1:15 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stainless steel arch Canaries
Mohammed,
If you are going to go with SunPower I would highly recommend SunPoweredYachts.com. They are a small company based in Hawaii but everything ships free from the mainland. The owner Lyall, is fantastic and very communicative both before and after the sale. He is very accessible and customer service oriented.
All the Best,
Paul Stascavage S/V Rita Kathryn SM #466
RitaKathryn.com
Currently Exploring City Island
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Re: Stainless steel arch Canaries
Paul Stascavage
Mohammed,
If you are going to go with SunPower I would highly recommend SunPoweredYachts.com. They are a small company based in Hawaii but everything ships free from the mainland. The owner Lyall, is fantastic and very communicative both before and after the sale. He is very accessible and customer service oriented.
All the Best, Paul Stascavage
S/V Rita Kathryn SM #466
RitaKathryn.com
Currently Exploring City Island
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Re: Amel parts
I ordered some parts from Amel last week and they arrived two days later. Regards Bill
On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 12:02 AM Elaine Leishman via groups.io <leishman.elaine=yahoo.com.au@groups.io> wrote: Does anyone on the forum know whether Amel is open for business at the moment, or on summer holidays. I have emailed Maud at sav@... for availability for some parts and have had no response.
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Re: Sand Blasting vs. Soda
Patrick McAneny
Eric, I would think with 13 gallons you would be able to coat the boat 4 times. Did it take multiple coats to get it down to the gel coat,was it the kind of stripper you place plastic over ? It seems like so much work,that I would like to have it sand blasted and be done with it,but on the other hand I don't want to damage the gel coat. There is always pros &cons ,decisions are never easy and obvious,at least not for me.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
-----Original Message-----
From: eric freedman <kimberlite@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io; Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2020 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Sand Blasting vs. Soda I preferred to do it the old fashioned way. I brought Kimberlite down to gel coat using 13 gallons of chemical stripper. It is tedious and 100% safe. You just don't know how good the operator of the soda blaster is. He might have 20 years of experience-- doing it the way. All the operator of the blaster has to do is lose concentration and blast right through the gelcoat and into Amels unique interior barrier coating.
Just a suspenders and belt solution. after washing the remnants of the stripper off , i had the boat sanded and applied 4 coats of Interprotect. Kimberlite should now be good for another 18 years. Fair Winds Eric On July 16, 2020 at 2:33 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
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Re: Sand Blasting vs. Soda
eric freedman
I preferred to do it the old fashioned way. I brought Kimberlite down to gel coat using 13 gallons of chemical stripper. It is tedious and 100% safe. You just don't know how good the operator of the soda blaster is. He might have 20 years of experience-- doing it the way. All the operator of the blaster has to do is lose concentration and blast right through the gelcoat and into Amels unique interior barrier coating.
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Just a suspenders and belt solution. after washing the remnants of the stripper off , i had the boat sanded and applied 4 coats of Interprotect. Kimberlite should now be good for another 18 years. Fair Winds Eric
On July 16, 2020 at 2:33 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
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Re: Sand Blasting vs. Soda
Mark McGovern
Pat,
Soda Blasting is significantly less aggressive then Sand Blasting and is much less likely to cause damage to your gelcoat. Personally, I would not have my boat bottom Sand Blasted. When I was considering what to do with Cara's bottom to remove all the layers of old anti-fouling, I contacted Olivier Beaute. Olivier had done our pre-purchase survey and as part of the survey report he had recommended that we do something to remove the large accumulation of old antifouling at our next haul out. When I asked him about Soda Blasting, he wrote: "This is a good way to remove the old anti-fouling coats, as long as the operator is careful and does not insist too much on a specific area. In fact, as soon as the white gel-coat can be seen, the operator must move its tool. With 22 years of practice, these people surely know what they're doing. What would be bad is to remove the gel-coat and get to the GRP, which would mean the glass scales coat is affected. This sometimes happens with dry sand-blasting, more rarely with wet-sand blasting." I also asked about adding a barrier coat after Soda Blasting, and he replied:
"AMEL spreads polyester resin with glass scales, in the mold, after the gel coat is sprayed and before the first glass cloth. No epoxy as polyester and epoxy are not compatible when wet. This is supposed to fight water penetration and it works rather good. The epoxy coat as a « barrier » is not necessary because you already have one. Moreover, before you could apply epoxy, you would need to wait for the hull to be very dry. All you need before the anti fouling is a coat of the primer recommended by the anti fouling manufacturer." We decided to do two coats of Interprotect 2000e before applying out bottom coat anyway since we had her down to gelcoat for what we hope is the only time in our ownership. -- Mark McGovern SM #440 Cara Deale, MD USA
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Re: Stainless steel arch Canaries
Mohammad Shirloo
That is great Paul. Do you mind sharing the manufacturer and model number of the panels you used and the cost of the panels?
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Paul Stascavage via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stainless steel arch Canaries
Hello Mohammad
Paul Stascavage S/V Rita Kathryn SM #466
RitaKathryn.com
Currently Exploring City Island
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Sand Blasting vs. Soda
Patrick McAneny
My boat's topsides are about to be painted with awlcraft ,and I would like to remove a couple of layers of old bottom paint prior to that being done. The marina only does sand blasting. I have gotten the impression that soda is preferable to sand ,but not sure if this is true. The marina manager assured me that they can sand blast without damaging the gelcoat. He also recommended three coats of barrier coating prior to bottom paint.
Is there any good reason not to have a boat sand blasted ? Thanks, Pat SM Shenanigans
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Re: Stainless steel arch Canaries
Paul Stascavage
Hello Mohammad
Paul Stascavage
S/V Rita Kathryn SM #466
RitaKathryn.com
Currently Exploring City Island
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Re: Stainless steel arch Canaries
Mohammad Shirloo
Hi Paul;
I read your blog, thanks for the link. Is the 100-150 amp hours/day you are seeing at 24Volts? That would translate to 2.4KW to 3.6KW yield/day from your 680W total solar array. Does this sound about right?
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
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On Behalf Of Paul Stascavage via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:16 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stainless steel arch Canaries
Hello Kent
Paul Stascavage S/V Rita Kathryn SM #466
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Re: Stainless steel arch Canaries
Paul Stascavage
Hello Kent
Paul Stascavage
S/V Rita Kathryn SM #466
RitaKathryn.com
Currently Exploring City Island
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Re: Stainless steel arch Canaries
Mohammad Shirloo
Thanks Kent. Trying hard not to affect the design and lines of the 54 with an Arch. Even though the stern is the most logical place for it. I think some of the new solar panels are less sensitive to shadow and multiple controllers, stratigcally connected, should produce better results. Still a work in progress.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
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On Behalf Of karkauai via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 9:33 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stainless steel arch Canaries
Hi Mohammad, I put 600W of hard panels on my arch, and 250W soft panels on my cockpit enclosure. The soft ones are mounted aft of the boom, but still contribute only 7% of my total solar charging experience. When at anchor I swing the boom off to the side, but still don't see significant output. There's almost always a shadow from a shroud or mast on one of the panels. I have both of the panels on the same controller, I would probably get better output if they were on separate controllers.
As currently configured, the soft panels aren't worth the money and effort. The hard panels on the arch are great.
Kent and Iris SM 243 Kristy
On Jul 16, 2020 10:56 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
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Re: Stainless steel arch Canaries
Hi Mohammad, I put 600W of hard panels on my arch, and 250W soft panels on my cockpit enclosure. The soft ones are mounted aft of the boom, but still contribute only 7% of my total solar charging experience. When at anchor I swing the boom off to the side, but still don't see significant output. There's almost always a shadow from a shroud or mast on one of the panels. I have both of the panels on the same controller, I would probably get better output if they were on separate controllers. As currently configured, the soft panels aren't worth the money and effort. The hard panels on the arch are great. Kent and Iris SM 243 Kristy
On Jul 16, 2020 10:56 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
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