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[Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Hi

I wonder if someone could verify something - I thing the engineer that refurbished the bow thruster motor may have made a mistake in where he has brought the motor wires out in relation to the rigging brackets. They seem to be coming out directly opposite where the metal bracket runs up and down the stern / port side bar that guides the motor up and down - I think in this position they may interfere with the lower rigging which runs on the starboard side and I think they should be coming out at 90 degrees to the guide at the port forward corner?

Thanks

Andrew

Sm472

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 1 July 2016 at 16:54:33 CEST
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...

 

Masha Danki Andrew. I found it.
Kent
Curaçao


[Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Not on our SM - they are in the bow thruster compartment high up on the port side bolted to the side wall.

Andrew
SM 472


Begin forwarded message:

From: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>
Date: 1 July 2016 at 17:57:29 CEST
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc: Dr Andrew Lamb <Andrew.Lamb@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location
Reply-To: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>

In an SM, the bow-thruster solenoid switches are located at the front of the portside berth, under the berth board, behind a protection piece of plywood.

Olivier


On Friday, July 1, 2016 1:57 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Kent,

I think I know where it is, but I can't get there right now to verify it...Andrew, would you explain the location.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks 
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros!

When you have a chance please share your information, because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now understand how it could. I do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I can't get to mine right now and will look later. I suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will search.

Regarding your batteries, the y can be checked for internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi
 
So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?
 
Andrew
 
Ronpische
SM 472
Canet en Roussillon
__.





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location

Beaute Olivier
 

In an SM, the bow-thruster solenoid switches are located at the front of the portside berth, under the berth board, behind a protection piece of plywood.

Olivier


On Friday, July 1, 2016 1:57 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Kent,

I think I know where it is, but I can't get there right now to verify it...Andrew, would you explain the location.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks 
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros!

When you have a chance please share your information, because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now understand how it could. I do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I can't get to mine right now and will look later. I suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will search.

Regarding your batteries, the y can be checked for internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi
 
So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?
 
Andrew
 
Ronpische
SM 472
Canet en Roussillon
__.





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay

karkauai
 

Masha Danki Andrew. I found it.
Kent
Curaçao


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar panels for SM

Mark Erdos
 

Ian and Judy,

 

This is a very difficult question to answer since the truth is that it depends on your personal preference and the energy goals you are trying to accomplish using solar panels. We are in the process of adding solar. We are adding an arch since we felt this would make the most suitable location. When faced with how many panels’ or how much wattage to add, our decision was to add as much as the arch could take (without being obnoxious). Our decision was to add the arch first and then measure to add as much solar as we could. It is because we live on the boat and cruise full time. We also have an wind generator. We still plan to run the generator at night with AC units running to cool down the boat for a couple of hours. Even, with us adding the solar, we realize we will not be totally using free energy. We could have perhaps added the solar panels to the rails and accomplished the same, but we like the idea of the panels being out of the way. Our thought (for a full time cruiser), if you are going to add solar, go big.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 9:32 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar panels for SM

 

 

 Hi all solar users,

 

We were planning to visit Emek in Turkey for one of their solar arches. Discretion being the better part of valour we have postponed that trip. We have so many photos of their arches that we can get one built elsewhere.

 

The question I would be interested in having answered is:

 

What are the appropriate  dimensions and output of solar panels  for an SM arch ?

 

Every yottie we speak to raves about their own panels and advises us  to go as big as we can; however, some boats  ( in general, not Amels)look overwhelmed by outsized panels, others look to have been too conservative. Clearly there is a balance of output versus aesthetics .

 

Any views will be very welcome.

 

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 , Greece ( 37c and very sunny )


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar panels for SM

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Ian & Judy

We had Riza (Emek) make our davits and are completely happy with them as they are far nicer looking than anything else we have seen ever and the price was good too. I doubt you will have equally nice ones made any cheaper. He shipped ours to Australia and it was not difficult to have them welded together and fitted locally.

There are many options for size of panels. You would need to decide on that first and provide the correct measurements. We went with 2 x 260w (34v) panels run in series through a Tracer MPPT with MT50 display so have 520w optimised as it is in series. We ideally wanted 600w but find 520w quite adequate as we typically get 10 amp hrs x 26v in winter and up to 20 amp hrs x 26v peak in summer so rarely ever run the generator now, although in our case we are not cruising full time yet.

Good luck with it. You will not regret getting a good large solar system on board. It has certainly transformed our boat.

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, aMEL 53 #332
Brisbane



On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 Hi all solar users,


We were planning to visit Emek in Turkey for one of their solar arches. Discretion being the better part of valour we have postponed that trip. We have so many photos of their arches that we can get one built elsewhere.


The question I would be interested in having answered is:


What are the appropriate  dimensions and output of solar panels  for an SM arch ?


Every yottie we speak to raves about their own panels and advises us  to go as big as we can; however, some boats  ( in general, not Amels)look overwhelmed by outsized panels, others look to have been too conservative. Clearly there is a balance of output versus aesthetics .


Any views will be very welcome.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 , Greece ( 37c and very sunny )




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Solar panels for SM

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

 Hi all solar users,


We were planning to visit Emek in Turkey for one of their solar arches. Discretion being the better part of valour we have postponed that trip. We have so many photos of their arches that we can get one built elsewhere.


The question I would be interested in having answered is:


What are the appropriate  dimensions and output of solar panels  for an SM arch ?


Every yottie we speak to raves about their own panels and advises us  to go as big as we can; however, some boats  ( in general, not Amels)look overwhelmed by outsized panels, others look to have been too conservative. Clearly there is a balance of output versus aesthetics .


Any views will be very welcome.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 , Greece ( 37c and very sunny )


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Andrew & Kent,

I think mine is in a different place with access under the port berth, but I cannot get there right now...granddaughter, BeBe, is asleep on that berth. Will report back when the princess wakes!

Bill 
BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Kent

It is bolted on the inside of the wall of the bow thruster compartment on the upper port side of the frame that supports the bow thruster assembly.

Andrew
SM 472


On 1 Jul 2016, at 13:46, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks 
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros!

When you have a chance please share your information, because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now understand how it could. I do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I can't get to mine right now and will look later. I suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will search.

Regarding your batteries, they can be checked for internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi

 

So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon

__.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Hi Kent

It is bolted on the inside of the wall of the bow thruster compartment on the upper port side of the frame that supports the bow thruster assembly.

Andrew
SM 472


On 1 Jul 2016, at 13:46, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks 
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros!

When you have a chance please share your information, because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now understand how it could. I do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I can't get to mine right now and will look later. I suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will search.

Regarding your batteries, they can be checked for internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi

 

So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon

__.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Kent,

I think I know where it is, but I can't get there right now to verify it...Andrew, would you explain the location.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks 
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros!

When you have a chance please share your information, because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now understand how it could. I do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I can't get to mine right now and will look later. I suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will search.

Regarding your batteries, the y can be checked for internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi

 

So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon

__.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay

karkauai
 

Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks 
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros!

When you have a chance please share your information, because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now understand how it could. I do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I can't get to mine right now and will look later. I suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will search.

Regarding your batteries, they can be checked for internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi

 

So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon

__.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Bill

 

I can now answer my own question – the solenoid is Albright SW202N-14 (24 volt version) – I have found a supplier in the UK (http://www.forktruckspares.com/ ) – they are building one for me today from Albright parts according to the original specification and are sending it to me in France by 3 day delivery for £220.

 

I tested the batteries myself last year and again recently using a battery tester that you recommended and they were ok last year and again recently (although the values were down on last year) but as they are 5 years old then it seems prudent to change them anyway. So I am replacing them with 13 Victron AGM batteries.

 

The engineer who fixed the motor charged 920 euros – which seems extremely reasonable to me – particularly after what you just posted. I found him originally as I decided to buy Victron solar panels as they had very similar specification to the panels that you and many have used on the solar arch and we have other Victron equipment which we have been very impressed with. He was the closest Victron dealer according to their site. When I went to collect the panels from him (which he supplied at a very good price) I noticed that he had a few people rewinding motors and I soon realized that he and his son were real engineering geeks and took a great deal of pride in their work. When I took him the motor a few weeks ago I think he saw repairing it as a challenge - particularly after the “Brico” that I had performed on the motor last year in Menorca. Needless to say he told me sternly that if it breaks again that I am not to touch but rather to bring it back to him!

 

His business details are : SARL EFE – www.efe66.com - email : e.f.e.transfo AT wanadoo.fr

 

One other thing he has offered : we have a Victron Quattro 100 Amp charger / inverter and a Victron mppt solar panel regulator both connected to the Victron color Control – this is connected via our boat network via 4G to the Victron site this allows me to monitor remotely the state of batteries, etc. With this system I was able to grant him access to the control system and he has offered to reconfigure from his workshop the Quattro and Mppt for the agm batteries when I have installed them – very helpful indeed.

 

Andrew

Ronpische SM472

Canet en Roussillon

 

From: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Reply-To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, 1 July 2016 at 12:42
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay

 

 

Andrew,

 

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros!

 

When you have a chance please share your information, because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

 

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now understand how it could. I do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I can't get to mine right now and will look later. I suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will search.

 

Regarding your batteries, they can be checked for internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

 

Thanks,

 

Bill BeBe 387

Trinidad

 

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi

 

So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon

__.

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster shaft removal

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ian,

Possibly you should get a local machine shop involved.

I have successfully helped an owner with the "drop method" I explained earlier, and with the Amel tool method. I think the most important ingredients in both were time and patience. Time for penetrating fluid to work and patience to keep from doing something that breaks something else.

A last resort...and I have not tried this:
A small impact driver which typically uses both bit rotation and concussive blows to power-drive screws. I would place the largest diameter blunt-end steel rod that will fit in the driver and lightly hold it around the cast iron base of the motor, while using the tool to provide downward force.


If you have not already, review the photos in this album:

And review this:


Bill 
BeBe #387


On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 9:06 AM, francesringley@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks James. Interesting idea. This vintage SM has two steel bars as part of the bracket that holds the motor housing. Not sure these are on the SM2000 model. Makes it difficult to use a hammer (lack of room to throw) or attaching a sander though I'll have to see what I can do. Thanks again.

Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM153



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros!

When you have a chance please share your information, because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now understand how it could. I do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I can't get to mine right now and will look later. I suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will search.

Regarding your batteries, they can be checked for internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi

 

So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon

__.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] engine coupling alignment

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Mike,

If you were to ask David Shepherd david"at"bruntons-propellers.com, I am sure that he would say that 1000 hours is about the time for a bearing kit.

I think it depends. And I believe it especially depends on the Style of the internals of the AutoProp and whether or not yours is one that takes grease. I included David's email above. He will ask you for your model and serial number. The serial number is stamped on the Propeller. The description of the AutoProp on BeBe SM #387 is H6-566 LH Roller Bearing TS system.

I hope this helps you.

bill
BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 1:43 AM, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

After installing new engine mounts and reassembling everything we still had a modest vibration of the assembly while under power, increasing with RPM. After loosening the bolts that hold the Vetus coupling together and to the transmission output hub, the bolts were not at all under pressure (shear) that would indicate misalignment. In fact they could be slid fore and aft easily with a finger. The coupling and transmission hub separated about the distance of the thickness of a business card, and the gap was uniform at each of the 4 bolt locations. Seems to me this is about as good as it gets for alignment. Is that precise enough?

Suspecting the remaining vibration is from the Autoprop. Bearings replaced in 2009 with maybe 1000 hours on it since then. Seemed OK 200 hours ago when examined on the hard, clean and no wobble in the bearings. Total hours probably approaching 3500. Does the Autoprop need t o be rebalanced from time to time?

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

 



Re: Bow thruster shaft removal

francesringley@...
 

Thanks James. Interesting idea. This vintage SM has two steel bars as part of the bracket that holds the motor housing. Not sure these are on the SM2000 model. Makes it difficult to use a hammer (lack of room to throw) or attaching a sander though I'll have to see what I can do. Thanks again.


Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM153


Bow Thruster Main Relay

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Hi

 

So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster shaft removal

James Alton
 

Bill and Ian,

   I don’t know if this will help or not but one way to provide a gentle and controllable amount of vibration to loosen rust and work penetrant in would be to use an orbital sander or some similar tool.  Perhaps find a way to strap/tape the sander (with just a rubber pad on the sander)  to the assembly and leave it run for a period of time, stopping to squirt in more penetrant from time to time as Bill has suggested.  This problem certainly illustrates the importance of regular service to the bow thruster.

Best of luck,

James

On Jun 30, 2016, at 10:47 PM, francesringley@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks Bill, we are in St.Augustine Florida. I have no idea when the last servicing was done.We only bought the boat two years ago and there are no records. Yes, the locking pin was in. The special tool is broken and i will have to order a new one or repair this one. We have doused the bolt holes and the underside of the collar with penetrating oil. Will attempt your suggestions tomorrow morning. Thank you once again 


Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM 153



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster shaft removal

francesringley@...
 

Thanks Bill, we are in St.Augustine Florida. I have no idea when the last servicing was done.We only bought the boat two years ago and there are no records. Yes, the locking pin was in. The special tool is broken and i will have to order a new one or repair this one. We have doused the bolt holes and the underside of the collar with penetrating oil. Will attempt your suggestions tomorrow morning. Thank you once again 

Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM 153


engine coupling alignment

Mike Ondra
 

After installing new engine mounts and reassembling everything we still had a modest vibration of the assembly while under power, increasing with RPM. After loosening the bolts that hold the Vetus coupling together and to the transmission output hub, the bolts were not at all under pressure (shear) that would indicate misalignment. In fact they could be slid fore and aft easily with a finger. The coupling and transmission hub separated about the distance of the thickness of a business card, and the gap was uniform at each of the 4 bolt locations. Seems to me this is about as good as it gets for alignment. Is that precise enough?

Suspecting the remaining vibration is from the Autoprop. Bearings replaced in 2009 with maybe 1000 hours on it since then. Seemed OK 200 hours ago when examined on the hard, clean and no wobble in the bearings. Total hours probably approaching 3500. Does the Autoprop need to be rebalanced from time to time?

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD