Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panels for SM

Paul Osterberg

Hanspeter
It looks as you have very little faith in my knowledge about electricity, and you are probably right Physics and Electricity etc, was not a very strong point for me during my studies, but maybe I got it right this time anyway.

Now at 09:45 my Emek solapanels give me + 8 A, and when the sun are a little bit higher we rather often get + 12 A and not unusually 14 A for a while.
My Victron MPPT Control gives me more data than I need, but it gives peek watt for the day, and and June they where often above 320 w with and average peek reading of 359 W. It also give total stored kwh for the day which for June was on average 2.05 kwh, given that the Victron measures correctly.
kwh is often the units you are billed at from the electricity company, in Sweden you are billed for how many kwh you consume/month, but the price could be set daily, then they calculate how many kwh/day you consume. In my case the Victron calculate how many kwh going into the battery/day.
Watt is calculated by the formula P=UxI so say 25 volt at average 8.3 A, gives P=207w, if we have this average conditions for 10 h, we get 2,07 Kwh. What's the problem ?
We run 2 fridges and one freezer, all lamps are led, usually my computer and instruments are on 24h, in the morning our batteries are around 90% according to the Victron BMV 700, and well before the sun goes down our Victron reeds 100%, this is when we are at anchor. Obvious the solar panels put in substantial amount of Energy into my batteries

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster shaft removal

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

Ian,

Thanks for letting us know that it worked out. I am especially glad that nothing was broken in the process.

It amazes me that a few owners like the previous owner of your boat let things like this go until they become very serious problems, usually solved by them by selling the boat to someone else. And, this sort of thing is almost never found by a surveyor. There is only one surveyor in the world who would spot this problem in a pre-purchase survey and that is Olivier Beaute gmail.com>.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Glad to hear it all worked out.

Steve

On Jul 1, 2016, at 17:23, francesringley@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks Steve, Bill, Mark and James (did I miss anyone? !).

Last night we doused the underside of the collar and bolt holes with PB Blaster and WD40. This morning the marina machine shop fixed the the tool (\$45). So we used the tools and occasional rubber hammer banging and pulling from below. Took about 2 hours this morning in addition to 5 hours yesterday. Then it popped our . Fortunately no water was in the oil. We cleaned and sanded the top of the shaft and the inside of the collar. Then put tons of grease on both. It's back in and between the travelift and the dock, it had quite a workout. The river was running swiftly.

Thanks once again for all your sage advice. Needless to say, I never want to go through that again. Service every 2 years on my watch.

Also thanks Steve fir the recommendation of St. Augustine Marine Center. They were great.

Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM153

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

Kent, they are in the same place on 387, BeBe.

CW Bill Rouse, Admiral (Hon) Texas Navy
Yacht BeBe
+1832-380-4970 Global VoiceMail

On Jul 1, 2016, at 15:42, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Mine are on the port side under the berth attached to the aft side of the chain locker's watertight bulkhead.  There is a small panel that separates them from the air conditioner.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Jul 1, 2016, at 12:56 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I looked and I think mine are at the same place...
I did not follow the wire (short on time because of work), but unless they are other solenoids, mine are there.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Fri, 7/1/16, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: Fwd: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 11:39 AM

Yes
Andrew, you have the bow-thruster located in a watertight
compartment, not allowing a watertight duct for the cables,
but I think on Kent's (and most probably on all the SMs
that don't have a watertight bow-thruster compartment)
the solenoids are below the berth.Kent
will tell us what he finds...
Olivier.

On Friday, July 1,
2016 6:09 PM, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@...
[amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Not on our SM - they are in the bow thruster
compartment high up on the port side bolted to the side
wall.

Andrew
SM
472

Begin forwarded message:

From: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>

Date: 1 July 2016 at 17:57:29 CEST

To: "amelyachtowners@..."
<amelyachtowners@...>

Cc: Dr Andrew Lamb <Andrew.Lamb@...>

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster
Motor Solenoid Location

In an
SM, the bow-thruster solenoid switches are located at the
front of the portside berth, under the berth board, behind a
protection piece of plywood.

Olivier

On Friday, July
1, 2016 1:57 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Kent,

I think I know where it is, but I can't get there
right now to verify it...Andrew, would you explain the
location.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at
11:45 AM, Kent Robertson

karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks
Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse'

yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with
their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship
the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some
unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000
and 4,000 Euros!

because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it
may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause
might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not
considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would
cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now
understand how it could. I
do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I
can't get to mine right now and will look later. I
suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will
search.

Regarding your batteries, the y can be checked for
internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know
that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at
8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb

andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Hi

So I managed to find a local motor
engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in
repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind
generators, etc) they have completely
rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the
commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly
advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow
thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the
problem. Does anyone know the
specifications of the main bow thruster motor
relay?

Andrew

Ronpische
SM 472
Canet en
Roussillon

__.

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Posted by: Kent Robertson <karkauai@...>

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster shaft removal

Stephen Davis

Glad to hear it all worked out.

Steve

On Jul 1, 2016, at 17:23, francesringley@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks Steve, Bill, Mark and James (did I miss anyone? !).

Last night we doused the underside of the collar and bolt holes with PB Blaster and WD40. This morning the marina machine shop fixed the the tool (\$45). So we used the tools and occasional rubber hammer banging and pulling from below. Took about 2 hours this morning in addition to 5 hours yesterday. Then it popped our . Fortunately no water was in the oil. We cleaned and sanded the top of the shaft and the inside of the collar. Then put tons of grease on both. It's back in and between the travelift and the dock, it had quite a workout. The river was running swiftly.

Thanks once again for all your sage advice. Needless to say, I never want to go through that again. Service every 2 years on my watch.

Also thanks Steve fir the recommendation of St. Augustine Marine Center. They were great.

Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM153

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head-Holding tank ball valve replacement

Alexandre Uster von Baar

Thanks for sharing Bill !!!
Excellent work with the pictures!!!

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------

On Fri, 7/1/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head-Holding tank ball valve replacement
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 2:13 PM

I just replaced the aft head
ball-valve for the holding tank drain.
The process is documented
here:https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1980087538/lightbox/956971003?orderBy=ordinal&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/956971003

Total
job 4 hours. Be sure that you have a wet-vacuum cleaner
for this job.
Best,
BillBeBe

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Re: Bow thruster shaft removal

francesringley@...

Thanks Steve, Bill, Mark and James (did I miss anyone? !).

Last night we doused the underside of the collar and bolt holes with PB Blaster and WD40. This morning the marina machine shop fixed the the tool (\$45). So we used the tools and occasional rubber hammer banging and pulling from below. Took about 2 hours this morning in addition to 5 hours yesterday. Then it popped our . Fortunately no water was in the oil. We cleaned and sanded the top of the shaft and the inside of the collar. Then put tons of grease on both. It's back in and between the travelift and the dock, it had quite a workout. The river was running swiftly.

Thanks once again for all your sage advice. Needless to say, I never want to go through that again. Service every 2 years on my watch.

Also thanks Steve fir the recommendation of St. Augustine Marine Center. They were great.

Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM153

Steering Cables

Gary Wells

Hey :). Looking for some input on what might be a smaller job but I want to see if it's been explored before.
At the helm I felt a good sized 'click' in the wheel when making a large steering change. It can be heard when the autohelm is working hard as well. When looking at the steering mechanism (I believe it's a rack and pinion setup) I could see the forward-most cable moving an eight to quarter inch in-and-out of the long square tube. When jiggling said cable it could be forced to do the same thing and I came up with a couple of very fine metal (magnetic) strands I presume to be threads from the stop block.
Tightening the cable adjustment alleviated the play and reduced the motion but I believe the threaded retaining block to be stripped and will endeavour to get a replacement/machined piece in place to fix it.
Looks like an in-depth job, but not too terrible, to take down the steering mechanism in order to get at the cable(s). Has anyone been through this that can offer tips on extracting the cable and all? Everything seems well greased, I just have not seen this particular one crop up before.
Thanks,
Gary W
Gibraltar

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location

karkauai

Mine are on the port side under the berth attached to the aft side of the chain locker's watertight bulkhead.  There is a small panel that separates them from the air conditioner.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Jul 1, 2016, at 12:56 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I looked and I think mine are at the same place...
I did not follow the wire (short on time because of work), but unless they are other solenoids, mine are there.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 7/1/16, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: Fwd: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 11:39 AM

Yes
Andrew, you have the bow-thruster located in a watertight
compartment, not allowing a watertight duct for the cables,
but I think on Kent's (and most probably on all the SMs
that don't have a watertight bow-thruster compartment)
the solenoids are below the berth.Kent
will tell us what he finds...
Olivier.

On Friday, July 1,
2016 6:09 PM, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@...
[amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Not on our SM - they are in the bow thruster
compartment high up on the port side bolted to the side
wall.

Andrew
SM
472

Begin forwarded message:

From: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>

Date: 1 July 2016 at 17:57:29 CEST

To: "amelyachtowners@..."
<amelyachtowners@...>

Cc: Dr Andrew Lamb <Andrew.Lamb@...>

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster
Motor Solenoid Location

In an
SM, the bow-thruster solenoid switches are located at the
front of the portside berth, under the berth board, behind a
protection piece of plywood.

Olivier

On Friday, July
1, 2016 1:57 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Kent,

I think I know where it is, but I can't get there
right now to verify it...Andrew, would you explain the
location.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at
11:45 AM, Kent Robertson

karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks
Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse'

yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with
their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship
the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some
unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000
and 4,000 Euros!

because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it
may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause
might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not
considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would
cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now
understand how it could. I
do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I
can't get to mine right now and will look later. I
suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will
search.

Regarding your batteries, the y can be checked for
internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know
that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at
8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb

andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Hi

So I managed to find a local motor
engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in
repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind
generators, etc) they have completely
rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the
commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly
advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow
thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the
problem. Does anyone know the
specifications of the main bow thruster motor
relay?

Andrew

Ronpische
SM 472
Canet en
Roussillon

__.

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Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

I just replaced the aft head ball-valve for the holding tank drain.

The process is documented here:

Total job 4 hours. Be sure that you have a wet-vacuum cleaner for this job.

Best,

Bill
BeBe 387

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Adapter for European tv to use in US

Mark Erdos

European and most of the TVs made for the rest of the world do not work in the USA. When the USA changed to HD it adopted a format of ATSC broadcasting and therefore you need a TV with an ATSC tuner. Europe uses a DVB-T format. This is most likely the turner you have in your TV.

With best regards,

Mark

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:54 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Adapter for European tv to use in US

We ordered the Samsung Smart tv on our new 55.  It worked well in La Rochelle but gets no tv signal in US despite a large antenna.
What kind of adapter or converter box will make it work?

Thanks

Aldo

Araucaria

On Jul 1, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Yes Andrew, you have the bow-thruster located in a watertight compartment, not allowing a watertight duct for the cables, but I think on Kent's (and most probably on all the SMs that don't have a watertight bow-thruster compartment) the solenoids are below the berth.

Kent will tell us what he finds...

Olivier.

On Friday, July 1, 2016 6:09 PM, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Not on our SM - they are in the bow thruster compartment high up on the port side bolted to the side wall.

Andrew

SM 472

Begin forwarded message:

From: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>
Date: 1 July 2016 at 17:57:29 CEST
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc: Dr Andrew Lamb <Andrew.Lamb@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location

In an SM, the bow-thruster solenoid switches are located at the front of the portside berth, under the berth board, behind a protection piece of plywood.

Olivier

On Friday, July 1, 2016 1:57 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Kent,

I think I know where it is, but I can't get there right now to verify it...Andrew, would you explain the location.

Bill

BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

Where is the bow thruster solenoid?

Thanks

Kent

SM243

Kristy

On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros!

When you have a chance please share your information, because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now understand how it could. I do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I can't get to mine right now and will look later. I suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will search.

Regarding your batteries, the y can be checked for internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi

So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?

Andrew

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon

__.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Adapter for European tv to use in US

Stephen Davis

Your TV  probably only receives the PAL system used in Europe and many other parts of the world. The USA uses NTSC 3.58, and to my knowledge, their is no converter available, and you will need a different TV.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Aldo Roldan aroldan1796@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

We ordered the Samsung Smart tv on our new 55.  It worked well in La Rochelle but gets no tv signal in US despite a large antenna.
What kind of adapter or converter box will make it work?

Thanks
Aldo
Araucaria

On Jul 1, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Yes Andrew, you have the bow-thruster located in a watertight compartment, not allowing a watertight duct for the cables, but I think on Kent's (and most probably on all the SMs that don't have a watertight bow-thruster compartment) the solenoids are below the berth.
Kent will tell us what he finds...

Olivier.

On Friday, July 1, 2016 6:09 PM, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Not on our SM - they are in the bow thruster compartment high up on the port side bolted to the side wall.

Andrew
SM 472

Begin forwarded message:

From: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>
Date: 1 July 2016 at 17:57:29 CEST
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc: Dr Andrew Lamb <Andrew.Lamb@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location

In an SM, the bow-thruster solenoid switches are located at the front of the portside berth, under the berth board, behind a protection piece of plywood.

Olivier

On Friday, July 1, 2016 1:57 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Kent,

I think I know where it is, but I can't get there right now to verify it...Andrew, would you explain the location.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks
Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros!

When you have a chance please share your information, because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now understand how it could. I do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I can't get to mine right now and will look later. I suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will search.

Regarding your batteries, the y can be checked for internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Hi

So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?

Andrew

Ronpische
SM 472
Canet en Roussillon
__.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster shaft removal

Stephen Davis

Hi Ian,

Sorry you are having all the problems with the bow thruster. I helped a good friend overhaul his bow thruster last winter in St Martin. In his case, it had not been serviced for who knows how long, and the spline was badly rusted. After trying to remove it from the boat all morning with no luck, I put a couple of ring clamps on the tube, a block of wood against the clamps, and banged on it with a heavy hammer. The sharp blows with the hammer worked where steady pressure had not. Of course we had put lots of PB Blaster on it during the morning. It sounds like yours might be worse than this experience, but you might try the hammer.

As a by-product of all the rust, we found the bearing at the bottom of the motor was rusted in place, and completely seized. We removed the motor from the boat, and a machine shop was able to get it out, and put a new bearing in. Once you finally get it out, and grease the spline really well, you will find that it will drop right out next time. Normally, servicing the bow thruster only takes a few hours, and I do it every 2 years when I haul.

I'm in Palm Coast about 15 miles from you until tomorrow afternoon, and if I can be of any help, let me know.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:47 PM, francesringley@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Thanks Bill, we are in St.Augustine Florida. I have no idea when the last servicing was done.We only bought the boat two years ago and there are no records. Yes, the locking pin was in. The special tool is broken and i will have to order a new one or repair this one. We have doused the bolt holes and the underside of the collar with penetrating oil. Will attempt your suggestions tomorrow morning. Thank you once again

Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM 153

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay

Andrew & Kate Lamb

Thanks Bill

To be fair on the engineer I had removed the lower and upper plates before I gave it to him - but it looks increasingly like the wires need to be moved through 90 degrees.

Andrew

On 1 Jul 2016, at 19:16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I have a much older model than you, but my wires come out the port side of the motor.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

On Jul 1, 2016, at 13:12, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks Alexandre

No hurry I cannot do anything for a few days because of my own work commitments. I need someone to put their hand behind the motor and see if the wires come out the port or starboard side of the motor towards the front of the boat

Andrew
SM 472

On 1 Jul 2016, at 19:02, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

I am super short on time, about to go to dentist appointment, then grocery shopping, etc.
If it doesn't help and no one can't reply, let me know and I look tonight.

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 7/1/16, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Fwd: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 11:19 AM

Hi

I wonder if
someone could verify something - I thing the engineer that
refurbished the bow thruster motor may have made a mistake
in where he has brought the motor wires out in relation to
the rigging brackets. They seem to be coming
out directly opposite where the metal bracket runs up and
down the stern / port side bar that guides the motor up and
down - I think in this position they may interfere with the
lower rigging which runs on the starboard side and I think
they should be coming
out at 90 degrees to the guide at the port forward
corner?

Thanks

Andrew

Sm472

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>

Date: 1 July 2016 at 16:54:33 CEST

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster
Motor Repair and Main Relay

Masha Danki Andrew. I found it.

Kent

Curaçao

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panels for SM

hanspeter baettig

Hi Paul
whow you can get 8.3 A continious during lets say 10 h in Greek with the Emek Solar installation. This is your calculation with 2.05 KWh/ day. and how you can dived kwh/day ??? Hours/day??? And pls its not 450 W our solar panel! its 450 PW. ( Peak Watt). Googel it and then maybe you understand
kind regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2 SM 16
Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 01.07.2016 um 19:22 schrieb osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

Hello Ian and Judy
We have 450 W fitted by Emek. On Average in June we got 2.05 KWh/day, which I convert to about 83 Ah a day. We have been in the Ionian the whole of June. The lowest reading was 0,97 KWh or 39 Ah. A rather rainy day but some spell of sunshine. Max was 116 Ah
Ww also have 200 W on the rail but they more often come into shadow. They gave on average in June 16 Ah. Peak 23 Ah, lowest was 9 Ah
Paul on SYKerpa SM 259

kanalmamman@...

Vi säljer Lady Annila, Amel Super Maramu 1998

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>

I have a much older model than you, but my wires come out the port side of the motor.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

On Jul 1, 2016, at 13:12, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks Alexandre

No hurry I cannot do anything for a few days because of my own work commitments. I need someone to put their hand behind the motor and see if the wires come out the port or starboard side of the motor towards the front of the boat

Andrew
SM 472

On 1 Jul 2016, at 19:02, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

I am super short on time, about to go to dentist appointment, then grocery shopping, etc.
If it doesn't help and no one can't reply, let me know and I look tonight.

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 7/1/16, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Fwd: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 11:19 AM

Hi

I wonder if
someone could verify something - I thing the engineer that
refurbished the bow thruster motor may have made a mistake
in where he has brought the motor wires out in relation to
the rigging brackets. They seem to be coming
out directly opposite where the metal bracket runs up and
down the stern / port side bar that guides the motor up and
down - I think in this position they may interfere with the
lower rigging which runs on the starboard side and I think
they should be coming
out at 90 degrees to the guide at the port forward
corner?

Thanks

Andrew

Sm472

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>

Date: 1 July 2016 at 16:54:33 CEST

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster
Motor Repair and Main Relay

Masha Danki Andrew. I found it.

Kent

Curaçao

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay

Andrew & Kate Lamb

Thanks Alexandre

No hurry I cannot do anything for a few days because of my own work commitments. I need someone to put their hand behind the motor and see if the wires come out the port or starboard side of the motor towards the front of the boat

Andrew
SM 472

On 1 Jul 2016, at 19:02, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

I am super short on time, about to go to dentist appointment, then grocery shopping, etc.
If it doesn't help and no one can't reply, let me know and I look tonight.

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 7/1/16, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Fwd: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 11:19 AM

Hi

I wonder if
someone could verify something - I thing the engineer that
refurbished the bow thruster motor may have made a mistake
in where he has brought the motor wires out in relation to
the rigging brackets. They seem to be coming
out directly opposite where the metal bracket runs up and
down the stern / port side bar that guides the motor up and
down - I think in this position they may interfere with the
lower rigging which runs on the starboard side and I think
they should be coming
out at 90 degrees to the guide at the port forward
corner?

Thanks

Andrew

Sm472

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>

Date: 1 July 2016 at 16:54:33 CEST

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster
Motor Repair and Main Relay

Masha Danki Andrew. I found it.

Kent

Curaçao

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay

Alexandre Uster von Baar

http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

I am super short on time, about to go to dentist appointment, then grocery shopping, etc.
If it doesn't help and no one can't reply, let me know and I look tonight.

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------

On Fri, 7/1/16, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@telemed.co.uk [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Fwd: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 11:19 AM

Hi

I wonder if
someone could verify something - I thing the engineer that
refurbished the bow thruster motor may have made a mistake
in where he has brought the motor wires out in relation to
the rigging brackets. They seem to be coming
out directly opposite where the metal bracket runs up and
down the stern / port side bar that guides the motor up and
down - I think in this position they may interfere with the
lower rigging which runs on the starboard side and I think
they should be coming
out at 90 degrees to the guide at the port forward
corner?

Thanks

Andrew

Sm472

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Date: 1 July 2016 at 16:54:33 CEST

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster
Motor Repair and Main Relay

Masha Danki Andrew. I found it.

Kent

Curaçao

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Adapter for European tv to use in US

Alexandre Uster von Baar

Too late now, but you should have purchase a Multi System TV (Pal, Secam and NTSC).
My TV and DVD/Blue ray readers are all Multi system as well as 50/60 hertz.

Make sure your TV is capable of receiving 50/60 Hertz and not just 50, as when you travel you will get either.

You can still get a converter for the NTSC to Pal, ask in US companies that deal with "220 volt" products.
I don't want to recommend any, as I have had good then bad experiences...

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------

On Fri, 7/1/16, Aldo Roldan aroldan1796@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Adapter for European tv to use in US
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 11:53 AM

We ordered the Samsung Smart tv on our new
55.  It worked well in La Rochelle but gets no tv signal in
US despite a large antenna.
What kind of
adapter or converter box will make it work?
Thanks Aldo Araucaria
On Jul 1,
2016, at 12:39 PM, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Yes
Andrew, you have the bow-thruster located in a watertight
compartment, not allowing a watertight duct for the cables,
but I think on Kent's (and most probably on all the SMs
that don't have a watertight bow-thruster compartment)
the solenoids are below the berth.Kent
will tell us what he finds...
Olivier.

On Friday, July 1,
2016 6:09 PM, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@telemed.co.uk
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Not on our SM - they are in the bow thruster
compartment high up on the port side bolted to the side
wall.

Andrew
SM
472
Begin forwarded message:

From: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@yahoo.com>

Date: 1 July 2016 at 17:57:29 CEST

To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Cc: Dr Andrew Lamb <Andrew.Lamb@telemed.co.uk>

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster
Motor Solenoid Location

In an
SM, the bow-thruster solenoid switches are located at the
front of the portside berth, under the berth board, behind a
protection piece of plywood.

Olivier

On Friday, July
1, 2016 1:57 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@svbebe.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Kent,

I think I know where it is, but I can't get there
right now to verify it...Andrew, would you explain the
location.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at
11:45 AM, Kent Robertson

karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks
Kent
SM243
Kristy
On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse'

yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with
their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship
the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some
unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000
and 4,000 Euros!

because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it
may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause
might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not
considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would
cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now
understand how it could. I
do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I
can't get to mine right now and will look later. I
suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will
search.

Regarding your batteries, the y can be checked for
internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know
that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at
8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb

andrew.lamb@telemed.co.uk [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Hi

So I managed to find a local motor
engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in
repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind
generators, etc) they have completely
rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the
commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly
advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow
thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the
problem. Does anyone know the
specifications of the main bow thruster motor
relay?

Andrew

Ronpische
SM 472
Canet en
Roussillon

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location

Alexandre Uster von Baar

I looked and I think mine are at the same place...
I did not follow the wire (short on time because of work), but unless they are other solenoids, mine are there.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------

On Fri, 7/1/16, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: Fwd: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 11:39 AM

Yes
Andrew, you have the bow-thruster located in a watertight
compartment, not allowing a watertight duct for the cables,
but I think on Kent's (and most probably on all the SMs
that don't have a watertight bow-thruster compartment)
the solenoids are below the berth.Kent
will tell us what he finds...
Olivier.

On Friday, July 1,
2016 6:09 PM, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@telemed.co.uk
[amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Not on our SM - they are in the bow thruster
compartment high up on the port side bolted to the side
wall.

Andrew
SM
472
Begin forwarded message:

From: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@yahoo.com>

Date: 1 July 2016 at 17:57:29 CEST

To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Cc: Dr Andrew Lamb <Andrew.Lamb@telemed.co.uk>

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster
Motor Solenoid Location

In an
SM, the bow-thruster solenoid switches are located at the
front of the portside berth, under the berth board, behind a
protection piece of plywood.

Olivier

On Friday, July
1, 2016 1:57 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@svbebe.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Kent,

I think I know where it is, but I can't get there
right now to verify it...Andrew, would you explain the
location.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at
11:45 AM, Kent Robertson

karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks
Kent
SM243
Kristy
On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse'

yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with
their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship
the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some
unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000
and 4,000 Euros!

because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it
may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause
might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not
considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would
cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now
understand how it could. I
do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I
can't get to mine right now and will look later. I
suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will
search.

Regarding your batteries, the y can be checked for
internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know
that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at
8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb

andrew.lamb@telemed.co.uk [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Hi

So I managed to find a local motor
engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in
repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind
generators, etc) they have completely
rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the
commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly
advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow
thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the
problem. Does anyone know the
specifications of the main bow thruster motor
relay?

Andrew

Ronpische
SM 472
Canet en
Roussillon

__.

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