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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Flying the foc d'artimon and trinquette on Maramu 46

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I also have a sock on the mizzen ballooner and it is so easy to use even single handling.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Sun, 7/31/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Flying the foc d'artimon and trinquette on Maramu 46
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, July 31, 2016, 5:19 AM


 









I totally agree with Ann-Sofie!
Add a sock to the mizzen ballooner
and you will use it more.
BTW, when asked by others about
that sail, we call it a "secret
sail."
BillBeBe 387
On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at
7:55 AM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@hotmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









And if you add a sock to your mizzen
staysail, it is so much easier to manage.
RegardsAnn-SofieS/Y
Lady Annila, SM 232,1998
Skickat
från min iPad
30
juli 2016 kl. 21:11 skrev divanz620@yahoo.fr
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:
















 






The foc d'artimon/mizzen staysail/mizzen
ballooner....Tack is on the u bolt in front of the
dodger.The peak on the halyard from the front of
the mizzen mastput a block on the eye bolt on the
aft gunwale on the side you want the sheet run
the sheet outside the rail to the block and then  back to a
winchHaul it up the mizzen mast et
voila
Trinquette/staysail...depends on
what configuration you haveInner forestays were
not standard on Amel boatsWe have a furler with a
staysail on it but not tracks for the sheet blocks, we use
snatch blocksSome have tracks on the deck along
side the cabin topmaybe you have a stay you can
attach and a hank on staysail ??
CheersAlanElyse
SM437













































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Flying the foc d'artimon and trinquette on Maramu 46

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Yep the MARAMU is a great all around boat. The sail plan mix can and does suit any conditions. We did two Atlantic crossing in flat seas and force 11 and the boat did just fine. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 
Cell 603 767 5330

On Jul 31, 2016, at 06:53, jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Graham,

 

Alan has given a pretty clear description. I do have an older rig than you but on my Maramu the tack of the foc d'artimon also goes to the U bolt on the deck in front of the dodger, the halyard is on the port side of the mizzen and the sail sheets in via blocks on the aft quarter. Obviously only for off the wind sailing when you won't need to change tack as it gets in the way of the boom.

 

The trinquette, in my understanding, can be a staysail or a smaller hank-on genoa, suitable for strong winds. On Popeye the trinquette is the latter and hanks on to the solent stay. The tack goes to the deck fitting with a short wire or strop to keep the foot of the sail above the guardrails, the halyard comes down on the port side of the mast, and the sail sheets in using the genoa sheet blocks. If you aren't sure what a solent stay is, it's an additional removable wire stay that is just inside the forestay and attached to the mast just under the forestay. It doesn't need extra running backstay support as it attaches so close to the top of the mast. Most of the time the bottom end attaches to the toerail near the shrouds with a pelican hook and it has a special heavy duty windable fitting to give it tension when connected up for use.

 

My trinquette also has one set of reefing points like a slab reefing mainsail and is heavy cloth so it can be used with a smaller area. It is useful in winds above 30kts or prolonged beating where a roller reefed genoa would have a baggy shape. I have just recently been using it whilst the genoa was having the UV strip repaired and have used it before when there was a problem with the roller furler. A solent stay also gives peace of mind that there is a backup if the forestay has a problem. I have always assumed it was factory fitted when the boat was new.

 

Regards

John, Maramu #91, Popeye


Re: Flying the foc d'artimon and trinquette on Maramu 46

jjjk12s@...
 

Graham,

 

Alan has given a pretty clear description. I do have an older rig than you but on my Maramu the tack of the foc d'artimon also goes to the U bolt on the deck in front of the dodger, the halyard is on the port side of the mizzen and the sail sheets in via blocks on the aft quarter. Obviously only for off the wind sailing when you won't need to change tack as it gets in the way of the boom.

 

The trinquette, in my understanding, can be a staysail or a smaller hank-on genoa, suitable for strong winds. On Popeye the trinquette is the latter and hanks on to the solent stay. The tack goes to the deck fitting with a short wire or strop to keep the foot of the sail above the guardrails, the halyard comes down on the port side of the mast, and the sail sheets in using the genoa sheet blocks. If you aren't sure what a solent stay is, it's an additional removable wire stay that is just inside the forestay and attached to the mast just under the forestay. It doesn't need extra running backstay support as it attaches so close to the top of the mast. Most of the time the bottom end attaches to the toerail near the shrouds with a pelican hook and it has a special heavy duty windable fitting to give it tension when connected up for use.

 

My trinquette also has one set of reefing points like a slab reefing mainsail and is heavy cloth so it can be used with a smaller area. It is useful in winds above 30kts or prolonged beating where a roller reefed genoa would have a baggy shape. I have just recently been using it whilst the genoa was having the UV strip repaired and have used it before when there was a problem with the roller furler. A solent stay also gives peace of mind that there is a backup if the forestay has a problem. I have always assumed it was factory fitted when the boat was new.

 

Regards

John, Maramu #91, Popeye


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Flying the foc d'artimon and trinquette on Maramu 46

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I totally agree with Ann-Sofie!

Add a sock to the mizzen ballooner and you will use it more.

BTW, when asked by others about that sail, we call it a "secret sail."

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

And if you add a sock to your mizzen staysail, it is so much easier to manage.

Regards
Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232,1998

Skickat från min iPad

30 juli 2016 kl. 21:11 skrev divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

The foc d'artimon/mizzen staysail/mizzen ballooner....

Tack is on the u bolt in front of the dodger.
The peak on the halyard from the front of the mizzen mast
put a block on the eye bolt on the aft gunwale on the side you want the sheet 
run the sheet outside the rail to the block and then  back to a winch
Haul it up the mizzen mast et voila

Trinquette/staysail...depends on what configuration you have
Inner forestays were not standard on Amel boats
We have a furler with a staysail on it but not tracks for the sheet blocks, we use snatch blocks
Some have tracks on the deck along side the cabin top
maybe you have a stay you can attach and a hank on staysail ??

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437



Re: Super Maramu FRIENDSHIP II Hull #415 From San Francisco

Ed Found <ed@...>
 

Hi Everyone

We joined this amazing group a few weeks ago as we are looking at Maramus as a strong possibility for us to take our young family on a world cruise. With a fairly tight budget I'm quite keen on a project so would love to find out more about Friendship II. It's amazing what you guys found out about the owner so quickly. Any pointers on how I might proceed would be great.

Many thanks

Ed
(No boat as yet!)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Flying the foc d'artimon and trinquette on Maramu 46

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

And if you add a sock to your mizzen staysail, it is so much easier to manage.

Regards
Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232,1998

Skickat från min iPad

30 juli 2016 kl. 21:11 skrev divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

The foc d'artimon/mizzen staysail/mizzen ballooner....

Tack is on the u bolt in front of the dodger.
The peak on the halyard from the front of the mizzen mast
put a block on the eye bolt on the aft gunwale on the side you want the sheet 
run the sheet outside the rail to the block and then  back to a winch
Haul it up the mizzen mast et voila

Trinquette/staysail...depends on what configuration you have
Inner forestays were not standard on Amel boats
We have a furler with a staysail on it but not tracks for the sheet blocks, we use snatch blocks
Some have tracks on the deck along side the cabin top
maybe you have a stay you can attach and a hank on staysail ??

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass

hanspeter baettig
 

Thank you Bill and Alexandre
Next time I will check if the cones are greased.
when I looked at it it was greased and oiled. But I will do like you said. Maybe I was lucky with my windlass even I did not made a full maintenance every year.
Thanks again for your wise input. 
HP 
Tamango 2; SM 16
Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 30.07.2016 um 23:58 schrieb 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hanspeter, 

I did read the manual, and that is why I know that you should grease the cone. The following is a copy of the manual in English. Like I said previously, I have had discussion with people who are not aware of this.

Below are indicated the operations and the period we consider essential to get the best efficiency and performance of your anchor windlass.
1. Clean all the outer surfaces and the hidden points with fresh water and remove the salt layer.
2. Grease the outer rotation parts . Particularly the main shaft thread and the clutch cones. Check for evidences of corrosion and stress.
3. Check the terminals of the electric motor and the Control Box. Test the drop of tension at the terminals.
4. Check the rotation and the speed of the electric motor. If it runs slowly check the electric motor brushes and clean with abrasive paper. Replace when necessary.
5. Replace of the all outer seals. The geabox is proper filled with SAE 90 long life oil.
6. Remove the windlass from the deck to clean the salt under the basement.

If you do not have a copy of the Lofrans manual, you can download a copy here: 

Best,

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 8:11 PM, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill
the cone is greased by the oil.
read maybe the manuals
kr
Hanspeter

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 30.07.2016 um 21:31 schrieb 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

When I looked at your photo documentary, I saw nothing out of line. I downloaded it.

I have had several discussions with people that don't believe that the cone should be greased because that will cause it to slip. I always say, exactly, it is supposed to slip under heavy loads.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hello Bill,

If I made mistakes, not enough grease, too much, etc. please don't hesitate to correct me, this will help others too!!!

Alexandre

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On Sat, 7/30/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016, 12:36 PM


 









Thanks, Alex.
BillBeBe


387
On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at
4:45 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 











For the new owners like myself who are intimidated by
maintenance task they have never done performed, I
illustrated the “Basic maintenance” of the Lofrans
Tigres Windlass.



I really would like the more experience owners to look at
the document and make sure I did not make any mistake (too
much grease, etc.) and correct me.



Since I purchase my vessel (end of 2012) I had never
serviced the windlass… Why?

because I don’t use it much and gave priority to other
systems that i use all the time.

Consequently some parts were very difficult to extract.



Now that I am familiar with it, I will definitely service it
on a regular basis (starting every 3 months).

I believe this will be much easier and quicker.



This also helped me to understand better how my windlass
works.



Here is the link:

http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html



For low bandwidth user, the document is split in 5 sections.




If bandwidth is not an issue, there is also the full version
(58 pictures).



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass

James Alton
 

Alexandre,

I have been servicing various windlasses for 40 years and have used grease on the cones and shafts of all of them lest they tend to seize up rather quickly. Regular maintenance is important as the grease gets squeezed out and washed off so a hydrophobic grease seems to work the best. I have normally used the white lithiums only because they tend to stain the deck and sails less. The best white lithium that I have come across for this application (and winches/turnbuckles as well) is the Vari-prop grease. I think that you have been getting some excellent advice already, so just adding my own 2 cents.

James
SV Sueno, Maramu #220

On Jul 30, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Good afternoon Hanspeter,

I put grease on the main shaft, and even on the gipsy parts.
Since I am a fairly new owner, this is why I ask other owner to comment:

My owner manual (which is the 2nd to last link) called called: Lofrans Tigres (and other) installation, operation & maintenance program (.pdf 1.0 mb)
says on page 4:
2. Grease the outer rotation parts . Particularly the main shaft thread and the clutch cones.
You can see the complete maintenance schedule Lofrans recommend on this link.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sat, 7/30/16, 'hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch <mailto:hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch>' hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch <mailto:hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016, 3:05 PM












Hi Alexandrewhere do you put grease
in the Tigres Lovean Windlass?My Windlass is 25 Years
old and i maintain it every 5 years ( cabels new oil not
grease! )I
use my windlass every time often wirh 70 m of 10mm chain, so
far never had a problem. It's a very good product and
saveHanspeterTamango 2, SM 16

Von meinem iPhone
gesendet
Am 30.07.2016 um 21:09
schrieb Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com <mailto:uster@rocketmail.com>
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>:

























Hello Bill,



If I made mistakes, not enough grease, too much, etc. please
don't hesitate to correct me, this will help others
too!!!



Alexandre



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On Sat, 7/30/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com <mailto:yahoogroups@svbebe.com>
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic
Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass

To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>

Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016, 12:36 PM

























Thanks, Alex.

BillBeBe

387

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at

4:45 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com <mailto:uster@rocketmail.com>

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>

wrote:























































For the new owners like myself who are intimidated by

maintenance task they have never done performed, I

illustrated the “Basic maintenance” of the Lofrans

Tigres Windlass.







I really would like the more experience owners to look
at

the document and make sure I did not make any mistake
(too

much grease, etc.) and correct me.







Since I purchase my vessel (end of 2012) I had never

serviced the windlass… Why?



because I don’t use it much and gave priority to other

systems that i use all the time.



Consequently some parts were very difficult to extract.








Now that I am familiar with it, I will definitely service
it

on a regular basis (starting every 3 months).



I believe this will be much easier and quicker.







This also helped me to understand better how my windlass

works.







Here is the link:



http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html







For low bandwidth user, the document is split in 5
sections.









If bandwidth is not an issue, there is also the full
version

(58 pictures).







Sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



































































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

Lofrans designs the cone to slip inside the gypsy so that internal damage does not occur on the windlass. I have helped several Amel owners who unfortunately did not know to grease this. The key on the shaft warps, bends and cuts into the key groove on the windlass cone which is inside the gypsy, and/or the windlass will get pulled out of the deck when excessive force is applied through the anchor chain.

Always use a snubber...mine is a 1 1/2" multiplait nylon line that is 7 meters long. I attach it to the large bow cleat and a pelican hook on the chain. I never anchor without it.

Maybe SM "RASCAL" will post some photos, and/or comment.

Best,

Bill

BeBe, 387

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Glad all looks ok Bill,

I “guess” if the windlass manufacturers did not want the possibility of the cone to slip, they would have bold them together…
Mine definitely did not slip before…

It was interesting as i put my new Rocna anchor on, then pull the chain up, as it was slipping, so I just tight the wing nut, this is also how I realize the emergency handle is a perfect fit to tight the wing nut as well 1) giving leverage 2) keeping hands at a safe distance.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sat, 7/30/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016, 1:31 PM


 









When I looked at your photo
documentary, I saw nothing out of line. I downloaded
it.
I have had several
discussions with people that don't believe that the cone
should be greased because that will cause it to slip. I
always say, exactly, it is supposed to slip under heavy
loads.

BillBeBe
387
On Sat,
Jul 30, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 











Hello Bill,



If I made mistakes, not enough grease, too much, etc. please
don't hesitate to correct me, this will help others
too!!!



Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 7/30/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic
Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass

To: "amelyachtowners@..."
<amelyachtowners@...>

Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016, 12:36 PM





 



















Thanks, Alex.

BillBeBe

387

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at

4:45 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:































 























For the new owners like myself who are intimidated by

maintenance task they have never done performed, I

illustrated the “Basic maintenance” of the Lofrans

Tigres Windlass.







I really would like the more experience owners to look
at

the document and make sure I did not make any mistake
(too

much grease, etc.) and correct me.







Since I purchase my vessel (end of 2012) I had never

serviced the windlass… Why?



because I don’t use it much and gave priority to other

systems that i use all the time.



Consequently some parts were very difficult to extract.








Now that I am familiar with it, I will definitely service
it

on a regular basis (starting every 3 months).



I believe this will be much easier and quicker.







This also helped me to understand better how my windlass

works.







Here is the link:



http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html







For low bandwidth user, the document is split in 5
sections.









If bandwidth is not an issue, there is also the full
version

(58 pictures).







Sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



































































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Hanspeter,

I put grease on the main shaft, and even on the gipsy parts.
Since I am a fairly new owner, this is why I ask other owner to comment:

My owner manual (which is the 2nd to last link) called called: Lofrans Tigres (and other) installation, operation & maintenance program (.pdf 1.0 mb)
says on page 4:
2. Grease the outer rotation parts . Particularly the main shaft thread and the clutch cones.
You can see the complete maintenance schedule Lofrans recommend on this link.


Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 7/30/16, 'hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch' hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016, 3:05 PM


 









Hi Alexandrewhere do you put grease
in the Tigres Lovean Windlass?My Windlass is 25 Years
old and i maintain it every 5 years ( cabels  new oil not
grease! )I
use my windlass every time often wirh 70 m of 10mm chain, so
far never had a problem. It's a very good product and
saveHanspeterTamango 2, SM 16

Von meinem iPhone
gesendet
Am 30.07.2016 um 21:09
schrieb Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:
















 








Hello Bill,



If I made mistakes, not enough grease, too much, etc. please
don't hesitate to correct me, this will help others
too!!!



Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 7/30/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic
Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass

To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016, 12:36 PM





 



















Thanks, Alex.

BillBeBe

387

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at

4:45 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:































 























For the new owners like myself who are intimidated by

maintenance task they have never done performed, I

illustrated the “Basic maintenance” of the Lofrans

Tigres Windlass.







I really would like the more experience owners to look
at

the document and make sure I did not make any mistake
(too

much grease, etc.) and correct me.







Since I purchase my vessel (end of 2012) I had never

serviced the windlass… Why?



because I don’t use it much and gave priority to other

systems that i use all the time.



Consequently some parts were very difficult to extract.








Now that I am familiar with it, I will definitely service
it

on a regular basis (starting every 3 months).



I believe this will be much easier and quicker.







This also helped me to understand better how my windlass

works.







Here is the link:



http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html







For low bandwidth user, the document is split in 5
sections.









If bandwidth is not an issue, there is also the full
version

(58 pictures).







Sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



































































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Hanspeter, 

I did read the manual, and that is why I know that you should grease the cone. The following is a copy of the manual in English. Like I said previously, I have had discussion with people who are not aware of this.

Below are indicated the operations and the period we consider essential to get the best efficiency and performance of your anchor windlass.
1. Clean all the outer surfaces and the hidden points with fresh water and remove the salt layer.
2. Grease the outer rotation parts . Particularly the main shaft thread and the clutch cones. Check for evidences of corrosion and stress.
3. Check the terminals of the electric motor and the Control Box. Test the drop of tension at the terminals.
4. Check the rotation and the speed of the electric motor. If it runs slowly check the electric motor brushes and clean with abrasive paper. Replace when necessary.
5. Replace of the all outer seals. The geabox is proper filled with SAE 90 long life oil.
6. Remove the windlass from the deck to clean the salt under the basement.

If you do not have a copy of the Lofrans manual, you can download a copy here: 

Best,

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 8:11 PM, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill
the cone is greased by the oil.
read maybe the manuals
kr
Hanspeter

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 30.07.2016 um 21:31 schrieb 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

When I looked at your photo documentary, I saw nothing out of line. I downloaded it.

I have had several discussions with people that don't believe that the cone should be greased because that will cause it to slip. I always say, exactly, it is supposed to slip under heavy loads.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hello Bill,

If I made mistakes, not enough grease, too much, etc. please don't hesitate to correct me, this will help others too!!!

Alexandre

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On Sat, 7/30/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016, 12:36 PM


 









Thanks, Alex.
BillBeBe


387
On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at
4:45 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 











For the new owners like myself who are intimidated by
maintenance task they have never done performed, I
illustrated the “Basic maintenance” of the Lofrans
Tigres Windlass.



I really would like the more experience owners to look at
the document and make sure I did not make any mistake (too
much grease, etc.) and correct me.



Since I purchase my vessel (end of 2012) I had never
serviced the windlass… Why?

because I don’t use it much and gave priority to other
systems that i use all the time.

Consequently some parts were very difficult to extract.



Now that I am familiar with it, I will definitely service it
on a regular basis (starting every 3 months).

I believe this will be much easier and quicker.



This also helped me to understand better how my windlass
works.



Here is the link:

http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html



For low bandwidth user, the document is split in 5 sections.




If bandwidth is not an issue, there is also the full version
(58 pictures).



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Glad all looks ok Bill,

I “guess” if the windlass manufacturers did not want the possibility of the cone to slip, they would have bold them together…
Mine definitely did not slip before…

It was interesting as i put my new Rocna anchor on, then pull the chain up, as it was slipping, so I just tight the wing nut, this is also how I realize the emergency handle is a perfect fit to tight the wing nut as well 1) giving leverage 2) keeping hands at a safe distance.

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Sat, 7/30/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016, 1:31 PM


 









When I looked at your photo
documentary, I saw nothing out of line. I downloaded
it.
I have had several
discussions with people that don't believe that the cone
should be greased because that will cause it to slip. I
always say, exactly, it is supposed to slip under heavy
loads.
BillBeBe
387
On Sat,
Jul 30, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 











Hello Bill,



If I made mistakes, not enough grease, too much, etc. please
don't hesitate to correct me, this will help others
too!!!



Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 7/30/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic
Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass

To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016, 12:36 PM





 



















Thanks, Alex.

BillBeBe

387

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at

4:45 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:































 























For the new owners like myself who are intimidated by

maintenance task they have never done performed, I

illustrated the “Basic maintenance” of the Lofrans

Tigres Windlass.







I really would like the more experience owners to look
at

the document and make sure I did not make any mistake
(too

much grease, etc.) and correct me.







Since I purchase my vessel (end of 2012) I had never

serviced the windlass… Why?



because I don’t use it much and gave priority to other

systems that i use all the time.



Consequently some parts were very difficult to extract.








Now that I am familiar with it, I will definitely service
it

on a regular basis (starting every 3 months).



I believe this will be much easier and quicker.







This also helped me to understand better how my windlass

works.







Here is the link:



http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html







For low bandwidth user, the document is split in 5
sections.









If bandwidth is not an issue, there is also the full
version

(58 pictures).







Sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



































































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Re: Head-Holding tank ball valve replacement

Duane Siegfri
 

Thanks Craig, it's worth a try!

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass

hanspeter baettig
 

Bill
the cone is greased by the oil.
read maybe the manuals
kr
Hanspeter

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 30.07.2016 um 21:31 schrieb 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

When I looked at your photo documentary, I saw nothing out of line. I downloaded it.

I have had several discussions with people that don't believe that the cone should be greased because that will cause it to slip. I always say, exactly, it is supposed to slip under heavy loads.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hello Bill,

If I made mistakes, not enough grease, too much, etc. please don't hesitate to correct me, this will help others too!!!

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 7/30/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016, 12:36 PM


 









Thanks, Alex.
BillBeBe


387
On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at
4:45 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 











For the new owners like myself who are intimidated by
maintenance task they have never done performed, I
illustrated the “Basic maintenance” of the Lofrans
Tigres Windlass.



I really would like the more experience owners to look at
the document and make sure I did not make any mistake (too
much grease, etc.) and correct me.



Since I purchase my vessel (end of 2012) I had never
serviced the windlass… Why?

because I don’t use it much and gave priority to other
systems that i use all the time.

Consequently some parts were very difficult to extract.



Now that I am familiar with it, I will definitely service it
on a regular basis (starting every 3 months).

I believe this will be much easier and quicker.



This also helped me to understand better how my windlass
works.



Here is the link:

http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html



For low bandwidth user, the document is split in 5 sections.




If bandwidth is not an issue, there is also the full version
(58 pictures).



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

































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Re: Flying the foc d'artimon and trinquette on Maramu 46

Alan Leslie
 

The foc d'artimon/mizzen staysail/mizzen ballooner....
Tack is on the u bolt in front of the dodger.
The peak on the halyard from the front of the mizzen mast
put a block on the eye bolt on the aft gunwale on the side you want the sheet 
run the sheet outside the rail to the block and then  back to a winch
Haul it up the mizzen mast et voila

Trinquette/staysail...depends on what configuration you have
Inner forestays were not standard on Amel boats
We have a furler with a staysail on it but not tracks for the sheet blocks, we use snatch blocks
Some have tracks on the deck along side the cabin top
maybe you have a stay you can attach and a hank on staysail ??

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass

hanspeter baettig
 

Hi Alexandre
where do you put grease in the Tigres Lovean Windlass?
My Windlass is 25 Years old and i maintain it every 5 years ( cabels  new oil not grease! )
I use my windlass every time often wirh 70 m of 10mm chain, so far never had a problem. It's a very good product and save
Hanspeter
Tamango 2, SM 16

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 30.07.2016 um 21:09 schrieb Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 


Hello Bill,

If I made mistakes, not enough grease, too much, etc. please don't hesitate to correct me, this will help others too!!!

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 7/30/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016, 12:36 PM


 









Thanks, Alex.
BillBeBe
387
On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at
4:45 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 











For the new owners like myself who are intimidated by
maintenance task they have never done performed, I
illustrated the “Basic maintenance” of the Lofrans
Tigres Windlass.



I really would like the more experience owners to look at
the document and make sure I did not make any mistake (too
much grease, etc.) and correct me.



Since I purchase my vessel (end of 2012) I had never
serviced the windlass… Why?

because I don’t use it much and gave priority to other
systems that i use all the time.

Consequently some parts were very difficult to extract.



Now that I am familiar with it, I will definitely service it
on a regular basis (starting every 3 months).

I believe this will be much easier and quicker.



This also helped me to understand better how my windlass
works.



Here is the link:

http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html



For low bandwidth user, the document is split in 5 sections.




If bandwidth is not an issue, there is also the full version
(58 pictures).



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu FRIENDSHIP II Hull #415 From San Francisco

Mark Pitt
 

I know that boat.  It was launched about the same time as my Super Maramu "Sabbatical III" and the owner, Bob Stewart from San Francisco, was finishing the one week orientation with Olivier Beaute at about the time that my wife and I started it (October 2003).  He was also in the ARC 2003 with me and the last that I saw of him and the boat was in the Caribbean in early 2004.  The only other biographical fact that I can remember is that he was in "real estate."  I hope that he is OK.

Mark Pitt

"Sabbatical III, ASM #419, Carloforte, Italy


On 7/30/2016 7:14 PM, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

I saw a terrible sight today! Located at Coral Cove Marina, Trinidad in the secured hard storage area is FRIENDSHIP II, Super Maramu Red Line Hull #415 with a homeport of San Francisco. It has been on the hard since 2008 and is rotting and molding in place. There is even mold on the spreaders. What once was an all-boat cover is in shreds. According to locals nobody has visited this boat since it was placed on the hard in 2008. I was also told that someone is paying for storage.

Does anyone know anything about this boat. I have photos for the owner or an interested party. 


Best,


Bill Rouse

BeBe, 387

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

When I looked at your photo documentary, I saw nothing out of line. I downloaded it.

I have had several discussions with people that don't believe that the cone should be greased because that will cause it to slip. I always say, exactly, it is supposed to slip under heavy loads.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hello Bill,

If I made mistakes, not enough grease, too much, etc. please don't hesitate to correct me, this will help others too!!!

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 7/30/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016, 12:36 PM


 









Thanks, Alex.
BillBeBe


387
On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at
4:45 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 











For the new owners like myself who are intimidated by
maintenance task they have never done performed, I
illustrated the “Basic maintenance” of the Lofrans
Tigres Windlass.



I really would like the more experience owners to look at
the document and make sure I did not make any mistake (too
much grease, etc.) and correct me.



Since I purchase my vessel (end of 2012) I had never
serviced the windlass… Why?

because I don’t use it much and gave priority to other
systems that i use all the time.

Consequently some parts were very difficult to extract.



Now that I am familiar with it, I will definitely service it
on a regular basis (starting every 3 months).

I believe this will be much easier and quicker.



This also helped me to understand better how my windlass
works.



Here is the link:

http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html



For low bandwidth user, the document is split in 5 sections.




If bandwidth is not an issue, there is also the full version
(58 pictures).



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Bill,

If I made mistakes, not enough grease, too much, etc. please don't hesitate to correct me, this will help others too!!!

Alexandre


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On Sat, 7/30/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016, 12:36 PM


 









Thanks, Alex.
BillBeBe
387
On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at
4:45 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 











For the new owners like myself who are intimidated by
maintenance task they have never done performed, I
illustrated the “Basic maintenance” of the Lofrans
Tigres Windlass.



I really would like the more experience owners to look at
the document and make sure I did not make any mistake (too
much grease, etc.) and correct me.



Since I purchase my vessel (end of 2012) I had never
serviced the windlass… Why?

because I don’t use it much and gave priority to other
systems that i use all the time.

Consequently some parts were very difficult to extract.



Now that I am familiar with it, I will definitely service it
on a regular basis (starting every 3 months).

I believe this will be much easier and quicker.



This also helped me to understand better how my windlass
works.



Here is the link:

http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html



For low bandwidth user, the document is split in 5 sections.




If bandwidth is not an issue, there is also the full version
(58 pictures).



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu FRIENDSHIP II Hull #415 From San Francisco

James Alton
 

Agreed.

There were 3 people by that name that died in the US in and around 2008-9 according to the list that I found, but none of them lived in CA as their last address.  This still is a plausible explanation, and perhaps some of the family members are keeping the storage up.  Hopefully you can find her a new owner.

Best,
James

On Jul 30, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Always sad to see a good boat being killed by neglect!  


I have no first hand knowledge, but a bit of googling and a search of the USCG Vessel Documentation database indicates that “Friendship II” is (was?) owned by someone named Robert M. Stewart, and the USCG documentation hasn’t been renewed since 2008. With no current document, I couldn’t find an address.   Looks like he might be from in or around San Jose, CA.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 30, 2016, at 13:14, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I saw a terrible sight today! Located at Coral Cove Marina, Trinidad in the secured hard storage area is FRIENDSHIP II, Super Maramu Red Line Hull #415 with a homeport of San Francisco. It has been on the hard since 2008 and is rotting and molding in place. There is even mold on the spreaders. What once was an all-boat cover is in shreds. According to locals nobody has visited this boat since it was placed on the hard in 2008. I was also told that someone is paying for storage.

Does anyone know anything about this boat. I have photos for the owner or an interested party. 


Best,


Bill Rouse

BeBe, 387