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Re: Loose screws in portlight stainless trem

Mark McGovern
 

Duane,

I second Craig's suggestion.  Plus, if it fails in less than 50 years Craig will come and personally fix it for you. ;)

3M 5200 is known as "The Devil's Glue" and should really only be used on things that you never, ever, want to take apart again.  Offhand, I can't think of a single place on my SM that I would use it in place of something that is almost as strong but way more removable like 3M 4200. 

Here's a pretty good article on marine adhesives from Practical Sailor:  https://www.practical-sailor.com/issues/36_8/features/Marine-Adhesives-Caulks_5953-1.html

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Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: Mizzen furler

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, I wish we had not already drained our water system, the marina has as well, its starting to get cold here.I think I will take the gearbox apart and take home ,clean & grease. I may pull the masts to put the boat in a shed for repairs and to be repainted this winter . I am not really sure I want to be " gob smacked " ,sounds painful , but being married I am use to abuse, and if the mizzen furls easier that it might be worth it .
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans



-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2019 8:17 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Mizzen furler

Hi Pat,
Almost certain to be salt build up. The carribean salt is brutal. Rinse all moving parts with floods of fresh water. Over the top of the gearbox,up the input shaft, the swivel or spinner as I call it at the top of the sail. (Lower it first). all blocks, cars, turning blocks. Allow to dry and liberally apply silicone spray. You will be gob smacked at the result. To unfurl my mizzen since I did this I just pull the out haul by hand and brrrrrrt out it goes. I know its too simple and I expect some cynicism, but give it a try. 
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 27 November 2019 at 08:34 "Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

When we unfurled the mizzen sail to store it for the winter the sail came out but then became difficult to turn. The furler will only turn about a quarter of the way either direction. Its not the swivel where the sail's head attaches . I have never had an issue with the furler until now. I suppose it could be the furler's gear box , but my question is. Is there a bearing at the top of the mast that may be causing the binding ? I need to decide to pull or not ,both of the masts by next Monday and put the boat in a shed to repaint ,or leave the mast up and have it painted outside. I was leaning towards leaving the masts up until this problem,if its a bearing at the top of the mast it would be easier to deal with on the ground.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

Re: Leece -Neville Alternator external regulator install

Alan Leslie
 

Dan
I'm pretty sure that Bill and I put up all the relevant stuff.  I did it with a Next Step reg, but basically the wiring will be similar.
The wire you need is the field connection from the alternator, that's what the reg uses to control alternator output.
One caveat on this whole scenario is that you need to realise that the LN 175A alternator is not continuously rated 
So, with a 3 stage reg, if your batteries are quite discharged, the reg could command full output from the alternator and if your batteries are able to accept 175A, that's what you'll get... For a while until the alternator burns out! 
Solution is to also run the genset and the 100A charger until the charging current gets down to about 100A them turn off the genset.
Best solution is actually to change the alternator to an Idlepro Extreme or. Delstar, both of which can put out around 200A at just above idle.

You don't need to ask how I know this! 

Good luck

Alan
Elyse SM 437 

Re: Mizzen furler

James Alton
 

Pat and Craig,

   That is very interesting that apparently the SM and SN do not have any kind of top bearing for the main and mizzen furler extrusions,  I learned something too!   My boat does have a bearing of some sort at the top,  I have not gotten in there yet to see what it is. If I drop the gear box and disengage it from the extrusion it just hangs there from the top bearing/pivot. My boat is the Maramu so apparently was built differently.  

   Best of luck Pat with solving your problem.

James
Maramu #220

On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:41 PM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:

Craig, I assumed that there had to be a bearing at the top of the extrusion and did not realize the swizel served double duty . That is a very helpful piece of info ,and yes I did get the sail down. I guess that is all I need to know ,looks like a gearbox problem.
Thank You,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Briggs SN 68 Sangaris via Groups.Io <sangaris@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2019 6:17 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Mizzen furler

Hi Pat,
There is not an upper extrusion bearing up there - it's just the swivel that centers the furling extrusion when the sail is up. With the sail down the extrusion just bangs around freely. Same as the mainsail. Not sure from your post if you got the sail down - sounds like you did - so if it is still binding with the sail down it has to be at the bottom. 
Sounds like you're not in desperate aesthetic need to repaint so the economical choice may be to leave the masts up and work on the bottom in situ.
Fwiw, Craig

Re: Mizzen furler

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Pat,

Almost certain to be salt build up. The carribean salt is brutal. Rinse all moving parts with floods of fresh water. Over the top of the gearbox,up the input shaft, the swivel or spinner as I call it at the top of the sail. (Lower it first). all blocks, cars, turning blocks. Allow to dry and liberally apply silicone spray. You will be gob smacked at the result. To unfurl my mizzen since I did this I just pull the out haul by hand and brrrrrrt out it goes. I know its too simple and I expect some cynicism, but give it a try. 

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 27 November 2019 at 08:34 "Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

When we unfurled the mizzen sail to store it for the winter the sail came out but then became difficult to turn. The furler will only turn about a quarter of the way either direction. Its not the swivel where the sail's head attaches . I have never had an issue with the furler until now. I suppose it could be the furler's gear box , but my question is. Is there a bearing at the top of the mast that may be causing the binding ? I need to decide to pull or not ,both of the masts by next Monday and put the boat in a shed to repaint ,or leave the mast up and have it painted outside. I was leaning towards leaving the masts up until this problem,if its a bearing at the top of the mast it would be easier to deal with on the ground.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

Re: Mizzen furler

Patrick McAneny
 

Craig, I assumed that there had to be a bearing at the top of the extrusion and did not realize the swizel served double duty . That is a very helpful piece of info ,and yes I did get the sail down. I guess that is all I need to know ,looks like a gearbox problem.
Thank You,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Briggs SN 68 Sangaris via Groups.Io <sangaris@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2019 6:17 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Mizzen furler

Hi Pat,
There is not an upper extrusion bearing up there - it's just the swivel that centers the furling extrusion when the sail is up. With the sail down the extrusion just bangs around freely. Same as the mainsail. Not sure from your post if you got the sail down - sounds like you did - so if it is still binding with the sail down it has to be at the bottom. 
Sounds like you're not in desperate aesthetic need to repaint so the economical choice may be to leave the masts up and work on the bottom in situ.
Fwiw, Craig

Re: Bimini Twist Lock Fastener

Will Stout <tango708@...>
 

Hi Paul,
I am fairly certain that you will find the twist lock at Grenadine Sails and Canvass in Bequia.  Avell and Debora have a web site through which you can contact them.  They do excellent work... definitely make the best and least expensive dinghy chap I found in the Caribbean.



Will Stout
SM 180, For Sale in The Chesapeake 
/)/) Anni Bea True
Amel Super Maramu
+206.841.9556

Re: Mizzen furler

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Hi Pat,
There is not an upper extrusion bearing up there - it's just the swivel that centers the furling extrusion when the sail is up. With the sail down the extrusion just bangs around freely. Same as the mainsail. Not sure from your post if you got the sail down - sounds like you did - so if it is still binding with the sail down it has to be at the bottom. 
Sounds like you're not in desperate aesthetic need to repaint so the economical choice may be to leave the masts up and work on the bottom in situ.
Fwiw, Craig

Re: Loose screws in portlight stainless trem

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Toothpicks, broken off to length, work fine. Add silicone when the screw goes in. Guaranteed for 50 years.
Cheers, Craig

Re: Lithium Ion Battery teardowns

 

Nick,

There are a number brands of "drop-in" Lithium-Ion batteries with internal BMS on the market. As you can see from the Battle Born teardown, not all of these are created equal.

Regarding the small cylindrical Lithium battery cells, Tesla batteries are made of many small Panasonic Lithium batteries. 

Here is a closeup of a Tesla battery with the small Panasonic cells. Those cells are about 20mm in diameter. This screen shot taken from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWjG3REOF-M
image.png

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 1:18 AM ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Bill,
Wow that does look interesting. 
A drop in replacement and no additional BMS.
What is the catch?
I am not yet in the market as my Lifeline AGM’s are only two years old and they get filled to 100 percent most of the time.
Maybe in 5 years time...
Nick
Amelia 
Kilada Greece


On 25 Nov 2019, at 22:31, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


I found 2 YouTube videos on Lithium Ion batteries that I really like. The batteries were disassembled by Will Prowse:  https://www.mobile-solarpower.com/lithium-batteries.html.

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


Re: Mizzen furler

Patrick McAneny
 

James, I realize there must be some sort of bearing at the top of the mast, I guess I should be asking if anyone has had a problem with it seizing up. I will take your suggestion and seperate  the gearbox from the extrusion ,that will confirm where the problem is located.
Thanks,
Pat 
SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2019 4:09 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Mizzen furler

Pat,

   I would try detaching/disengaging the mizzen furlers gearbox from the extrusion.  This would allow you to determine where the binding is.  I will leave the specifics of how to detach the extrusion to other SM owners since my boat is a Maramu and the process might be different.  To your other question, yes there has to be a bearing at the top of the mast as well.  

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Nov 26, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:

When we unfurled the mizzen sail to store it for the winter the sail came out but then became difficult to turn. The furler will only turn about a quarter of the way either direction. Its not the swivel where the sail's head attaches . I have never had an issue with the furler until now. I suppose it could be the furler's gear box , but my question is. Is there a bearing at the top of the mast that may be causing the binding ? I need to decide to pull or not ,both of the masts by next Monday and put the boat in a shed to repaint ,or leave the mast up and have it painted outside. I was leaning towards leaving the masts up until this problem,if its a bearing at the top of the mast it would be easier to deal with on the ground.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

Re: Mizzen furler

James Alton
 

Pat,

   I would try detaching/disengaging the mizzen furlers gearbox from the extrusion.  This would allow you to determine where the binding is.  I will leave the specifics of how to detach the extrusion to other SM owners since my boat is a Maramu and the process might be different.  To your other question, yes there has to be a bearing at the top of the mast as well.  

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Nov 26, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:

When we unfurled the mizzen sail to store it for the winter the sail came out but then became difficult to turn. The furler will only turn about a quarter of the way either direction. Its not the swivel where the sail's head attaches . I have never had an issue with the furler until now. I suppose it could be the furler's gear box , but my question is. Is there a bearing at the top of the mast that may be causing the binding ? I need to decide to pull or not ,both of the masts by next Monday and put the boat in a shed to repaint ,or leave the mast up and have it painted outside. I was leaning towards leaving the masts up until this problem,if its a bearing at the top of the mast it would be easier to deal with on the ground.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

Loose screws in portlight stainless trem

Duane Siegfri
 
Edited

I have a few loose screws in the stainless steel trim for the portlights.  I need to add something to make the screws tight.  These are very short wood screws (only two or three threads).

Most of the articles discuss filling the hole with epoxy, then redrilling a pilot hole.  I'm loath to do that since it would likely glue the stainless to the fiberglass.

I'm thinking of using something like 3M 5200 that sets up fairly hard and then run the screw into that.

Any thoughts or experiences out there?

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Mizzen furler

Patrick McAneny
 

When we unfurled the mizzen sail to store it for the winter the sail came out but then became difficult to turn. The furler will only turn about a quarter of the way either direction. Its not the swivel where the sail's head attaches . I have never had an issue with the furler until now. I suppose it could be the furler's gear box , but my question is. Is there a bearing at the top of the mast that may be causing the binding ? I need to decide to pull or not ,both of the masts by next Monday and put the boat in a shed to repaint ,or leave the mast up and have it painted outside. I was leaning towards leaving the masts up until this problem,if its a bearing at the top of the mast it would be easier to deal with on the ground.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

Re: Santorin Furling/Outhaul Solenoid Wiring Question

 

Olivier,

Perfect answer...thanks for your reply!

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 12:34 PM Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Bill and all early Santorins and SMs owners,

the first mainsail furlers (in-mast and out-haul) on Santorins and SMs were made of a Bonfiglioli gear-box driven from a CIMA motor, 12V for Santorin, 24V for SM.
These motors have 4 input wires (black, blue, brown, yellow/green). The blue is the negative (not attached to the solenoid).
The three other ones supply positive for both in and out movements.
The yellow/green wire is definitely NOT a ground wire. DON't connect it to the ground circuit!

If you cannot get the solenoid as original, you can replace them (both) with the two wires solenoids (that equip the later AMEL boats), but the connection is different.
I will try to get the wire arrangement to shift from the first version to the second one as soon when I'm back in France (end of next week).

Cheers.

Olivier

On Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 05:19:33 AM GMT+13, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Santorin Owners,

We have a bit of a mystery and I am sure someone knows the answer. See the photo below. Notice the Yellow/Green (Bonding Wire?) attached to Solenoid #1 and #3 on the "East" (three o'clock) posts. 

This appears to be done by Amel. 

Does anyone know the purpose of this wire? Is it bonding?
image.png
Note the Solenoid Array on a SM below. There is no yellow/green (bonding wire).
image.png

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

Re: Bimini Twist Lock Fastener

Paul Stascavage
 

Thanks Craig.  Much to Anna Marie's dismay, we have checked out Willie's, it was fun.

I'm still at a loss for finding these fasteners.  Anyone else have any thoughts or suggestions?

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring Brunswick, GA

www.RitaKathryn.com

Re: Santorin Furling/Outhaul Solenoid Wiring Question

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Bill and all early Santorins and SMs owners,

the first mainsail furlers (in-mast and out-haul) on Santorins and SMs were made of a Bonfiglioli gear-box driven from a CIMA motor, 12V for Santorin, 24V for SM.
These motors have 4 input wires (black, blue, brown, yellow/green). The blue is the negative (not attached to the solenoid).
The three other ones supply positive for both in and out movements.
The yellow/green wire is definitely NOT a ground wire. DON't connect it to the ground circuit!

If you cannot get the solenoid as original, you can replace them (both) with the two wires solenoids (that equip the later AMEL boats), but the connection is different.
I will try to get the wire arrangement to shift from the first version to the second one as soon when I'm back in France (end of next week).

Cheers.

Olivier

On Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 05:19:33 AM GMT+13, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Santorin Owners,

We have a bit of a mystery and I am sure someone knows the answer. See the photo below. Notice the Yellow/Green (Bonding Wire?) attached to Solenoid #1 and #3 on the "East" (three o'clock) posts. 

This appears to be done by Amel. 

Does anyone know the purpose of this wire? Is it bonding?
image.png
Note the Solenoid Array on a SM below. There is no yellow/green (bonding wire).
image.png

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

Re: Anchor Wash Pump SM

Arlo
 

Thanks for the information. Very useful. So to date we use a hose with a spray nozzle from the freshwater valve under our cockpit seat. We have a 1985 Mango. The thinking was eventually  to extend our freshwater plumbing in the forward head to the bow locker and put a valve up there so we dont need to drag a 50 foot hose the length of the boat to rinse down the anchor chain or take a fresh water shiwer on the forward deck. We like using freshwater instead of salt as it keeps the smell down when the chain is in the locker and keeps the salt corrosion down when the chain is stored in the locker. Has anyone else done this? Aside from the downside of using your freshwater supply (water maker will offset this), I couldnt bring myself to plumb in a saltwater washdown instead. Since we have a Mango no washdown was installed from Amel. Also it means 1 less pump to worry about...

Thoughts ?

Santorin Furling/Outhaul Solenoid Wiring Question

 

Santorin Owners,

We have a bit of a mystery and I am sure someone knows the answer. See the photo below. Notice the Yellow/Green (Bonding Wire?) attached to Solenoid #1 and #3 on the "East" (three o'clock) posts. 

This appears to be done by Amel. 

Does anyone know the purpose of this wire? Is it bonding?
image.png
Note the Solenoid Array on a SM below. There is no yellow/green (bonding wire).
image.png

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

Later model 54 & possibly 55 Furling Motor Seal Question

 

We are attempting to change the upper lip seal on a later model 54 vertically mounted furling motor. If you have done this, how did you remove the seal. I assume that the seal is pulled from the outside, but would like to hear from others that have done this.

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550