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Detached Retina

karkauai
 

Masha Danki for your well wishes, and to Derick for your kind offer.  Kristy is at the Curaçao Yacht Club and will be in good hands when I fly home in a couple weeks to see my eye doc and visit the grandkids.  Also have made friends with other cruisers who are looking out for me (no pun intended).  I'll be back in September to continue my S&W Caribbean swing.
Steady as she goes.
Kent


On Jul 17, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Richard Piller richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill based on your discretion the worm gear bearing/ bushing is worn allowing it to run free. Normally it's a self locking system. 

Regards
Capt Richard Piller

On Jul 17, 2016, at 11:08, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Gearbox needs disassembly, inspection and probable overhaul.

And Genoa halyard may not be tight enough and/or forestay may not be tight enough.

Bill
BeBe

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 2:42 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Okay, so I looked at it further and it looks like it is working. It is wobbly as all hell but the bolts have not sheared off. The furling motor is fine. The rivets do look a little loose but I am at a loss as to why it would just completely unfurl while the pin was engaged yesterday and now it works "okay". Some work definitely needs to be done but I am not sure. The head sail is tight but the foil wobbles when rolling in under power. Thoughts?


Bill Maffei
SM #195 
It's all Good 



Re: Head sail furling

Miles
 

Did all of the screws shear?  I once had this problem.  It was caused by two of the screws working out.  The last one (or two) then sheared off.  I used lots of lock-tight when I replaced the screws and it has been fine for 15 years.

 

Just a thought.

 

Regards,

 

Miles

Sm 216 Ladybug.  Newport, RI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ben,

Yes about 50...that is the standard SM alternator. The option was for a 175 amp.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I'm not sure of my capacity but much less than 174 Amp.  I'm guessing maybe 50

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 17, 2016, at 1:10 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Yes, Ben. I have been emailing Neils directly with photos, but determined that it is an Amel installed standard 24VDC house battery alternator. Every SM 24VDC alternator I have seen has the optional 175 amp Leece Neville Alternator.

Regardless the relay is the same.

Sorry if I caused any confusion.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Neils 
I looked closely at picture you posted .  I have exactly same alternator.  No manufacturers' name is on  it.  just CE Label.  Check closely those small wire connections . 


Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 16, 2016, at 3:26 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Neils, 

yes the relay is related to the red lamp
maybe you have a faulty relay (unlikely), but its more likely to be the alternator itself and/or the alternator regulator.
I don't recognise that alternator, maybe someone else with a similar vintage boat can help.
Otherwise you need at least an auto-electrician, but preferably a marine electrician that understands  the Amel isolated ground system, to investigate it.
Good luck
Alan
Elyse SM437




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I'm not sure of my capacity but much less than 174 Amp.  I'm guessing maybe 50

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 17, 2016, at 1:10 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Yes, Ben. I have been emailing Neils directly with photos, but determined that it is an Amel installed standard 24VDC house battery alternator. Every SM 24VDC alternator I have seen has the optional 175 amp Leece Neville Alternator.

Regardless the relay is the same.

Sorry if I caused any confusion.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Neils 
I looked closely at picture you posted .  I have exactly same alternator.  No manufacturers' name is on  it.  just CE Label.  Check closely those small wire connections . 


Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 16, 2016, at 3:26 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Neils, 

yes the relay is related to the red lamp
maybe you have a faulty relay (unlikely), but its more likely to be the alternator itself and/or the alternator regulator.
I don't recognise that alternator, maybe someone else with a similar vintage boat can help.
Otherwise you need at least an auto-electrician, but preferably a marine electrician that understands  the Amel isolated ground system, to investigate it.
Good luck
Alan
Elyse SM437



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Bill based on your discretion the worm gear bearing/ bushing is worn allowing it to run free. Normally it's a self locking system. 

Regards
Capt Richard Piller

On Jul 17, 2016, at 11:08, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Gearbox needs disassembly, inspection and probable overhaul.

And Genoa halyard may not be tight enough and/or forestay may not be tight enough.

Bill
BeBe

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 2:42 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Okay, so I looked at it further and it looks like it is working. It is wobbly as all hell but the bolts have not sheared off. The furling motor is fine. The rivets do look a little loose but I am at a loss as to why it would just completely unfurl while the pin was engaged yesterday and now it works "okay". Some work definitely needs to be done but I am not sure. The head sail is tight but the foil wobbles when rolling in under power. Thoughts?


Bill Maffei
SM #195 
It's all Good 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Kent,

Sorry to hear about the detached retina.  Let you friends here know if there is something we can do to help.  Brava is on the hard for hurricane season, so I am at loose ends in Massachusetts, and am available to assist you if needed.

Derick


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Yes, Ben. I have been emailing Neils directly with photos, but determined that it is an Amel installed standard 24VDC house battery alternator. Every SM 24VDC alternator I have seen has the optional 175 amp Leece Neville Alternator.

Regardless the relay is the same.

Sorry if I caused any confusion.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Neils 
I looked closely at picture you posted .  I have exactly same alternator.  No manufacturers' name is on  it.  just CE Label.  Check closely those small wire connections . 


Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 16, 2016, at 3:26 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Neils, 

yes the relay is related to the red lamp
maybe you have a faulty relay (unlikely), but its more likely to be the alternator itself and/or the alternator regulator.
I don't recognise that alternator, maybe someone else with a similar vintage boat can help.
Otherwise you need at least an auto-electrician, but preferably a marine electrician that understands  the Amel isolated ground system, to investigate it.
Good luck
Alan
Elyse SM437



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Neils 
I looked closely at picture you posted .  I have exactly same alternator.  No manufacturers' name is on  it.  just CE Label.  Check closely those small wire connections . 


Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 16, 2016, at 3:26 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Neils, 

yes the relay is related to the red lamp
maybe you have a faulty relay (unlikely), but its more likely to be the alternator itself and/or the alternator regulator.
I don't recognise that alternator, maybe someone else with a similar vintage boat can help.
Otherwise you need at least an auto-electrician, but preferably a marine electrician that understands  the Amel isolated ground system, to investigate it.
Good luck
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

william_maffei@...
 

That this makes perfect sense. I am going to disable the gearbox and rebuild. Rivets absolutely need replacement but I can confirm this is not the issue because as Kent pointed out I was easily able to furl the sail with line. Cheers to all my fellow Amel owners! As always this group has proved to be an outstanding resource. 

Bill Maffei
SM #195
It's all Good


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Gearbox needs disassembly, inspection and probable overhaul.

And Genoa halyard may not be tight enough and/or forestay may not be tight enough.

Bill
BeBe

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 2:42 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Okay, so I looked at it further and it looks like it is working. It is wobbly as all hell but the bolts have not sheared off. The furling motor is fine. The rivets do look a little loose but I am at a loss as to why it would just completely unfurl while the pin was engaged yesterday and now it works "okay". Some work definitely needs to be done but I am not sure. The head sail is tight but the foil wobbles when rolling in under power. Thoughts?


Bill Maffei
SM #195 
It's all Good 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

“Foil wobbles while rolling in…” Is the tension on your headstay high enough?  Furling while the headstay has a larger than normal sag to leeward will heavily load up the mechanism and could be contributing to issues.


Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 17, 2016, at 10:42, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Okay, so I looked at it further and it looks like it is working. It is wobbly as all hell but the bolts have not sheared off. The furling motor is fine. The rivets do look a little loose but I am at a loss as to why it would just completely unfurl while the pin was engaged yesterday and now it works "okay". Some work definitely needs to be done but I am not sure. The head sail is tight but the foil wobbles when rolling in under power. Thoughts?


Bill Maffei
SM #195 
It's all Good 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

Stephen Davis
 

Sorry to hear about the eye. Hope all turns out well. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Grenada

On Jul 17, 2016, at 10:58, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill.
If you can furl manually with a line, the rivets are intact.  If the pin is engaged, but the motor doesn't turn the foil, you must have a failure in the gear box.  If it is "wobbly", that confirms that a gear or bearing is out of place.  What did you ("they") do to repair it last year?
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Curacao with a detached retina and emergent eye surgery a few days ago.  Was lucky to be here, the only retinal surgeon within hundreds of miles is here.  Won't know how much vision I'll have in R eye for at least a few months.  Gives a person pause to see how vulnerable we are in remote places.


On Jul 17, 2016, at 9:32 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

One more guess...

Maybe the worm gear inside the furler mechanism is somehow binding. I would guess that if this happened the motor would shear. Possibly a bearing or bushing has caused the gears to get out of alignment and they occasionally bind.

I think after you check the obvious, this is next on your list.

Bill
BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
I am guessing that it could be a lot of things, but, I will give you some guesses to eliminate because I have not experienced this. I imagine you have already eliminated these, but since you did not say, here you are:
  1. That motor is very strong. Is it possible that the swivel is binding? Maybe the external halyard is jamming something at the top, or some other cause of binding.
  2. Is there an alignment or tension issue? I believe that not enough tension on the Genoa Halyard will cause the foil to whip around as furling and unfurling happens.
I wish you well as you explore the reason.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hey everyone-


I have not look into this yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same thing happen less than 1 year after it was "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime in with suggestions or comments? 


Many thanks, 


Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

karkauai
 

Hi Bill.
If you can furl manually with a line, the rivets are intact.  If the pin is engaged, but the motor doesn't turn the foil, you must have a failure in the gear box.  If it is "wobbly", that confirms that a gear or bearing is out of place.  What did you ("they") do to repair it last year?
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Curacao with a detached retina and emergent eye surgery a few days ago.  Was lucky to be here, the only retinal surgeon within hundreds of miles is here.  Won't know how much vision I'll have in R eye for at least a few months.  Gives a person pause to see how vulnerable we are in remote places.


On Jul 17, 2016, at 9:32 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

One more guess...

Maybe the worm gear inside the furler mechanism is somehow binding. I would guess that if this happened the motor would shear. Possibly a bearing or bushing has caused the gears to get out of alignment and they occasionally bind.

I think after you check the obvious, this is next on your list.

Bill
BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
I am guessing that it could be a lot of things, but, I will give you some guesses to eliminate because I have not experienced this. I imagine you have already eliminated these, but since you did not say, here you are:
  1. That motor is very strong. Is it possible that the swivel is binding? Maybe the external halyard is jamming something at the top, or some other cause of binding.
  2. Is there an alignment or tension issue? I believe that not enough tension on the Genoa Halyard will cause the foil to whip around as furling and unfurling happens.
I wish you well as you explore the reason.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hey everyone-


I have not look into this yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same thing happen less than 1 year after it was "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime in with suggestions or comments? 


Many thanks, 


Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

william_maffei@...
 

Okay, so I looked at it further and it looks like it is working. It is wobbly as all hell but the bolts have not sheared off. The furling motor is fine. The rivets do look a little loose but I am at a loss as to why it would just completely unfurl while the pin was engaged yesterday and now it works "okay". Some work definitely needs to be done but I am not sure. The head sail is tight but the foil wobbles when rolling in under power. Thoughts?

Bill Maffei
SM #195 
It's all Good 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Bill,

One more guess...

Maybe the worm gear inside the furler mechanism is somehow binding. I would guess that if this happened the motor would shear. Possibly a bearing or bushing has caused the gears to get out of alignment and they occasionally bind.

I think after you check the obvious, this is next on your list.

Bill
BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
I am guessing that it could be a lot of things, but, I will give you some guesses to eliminate because I have not experienced this. I imagine you have already eliminated these, but since you did not say, here you are:
  1. That motor is very strong. Is it possible that the swivel is binding? Maybe the external halyard is jamming something at the top, or some other cause of binding.
  2. Is there an alignment or tension issue? I believe that not enough tension on the Genoa Halyard will cause the foil to whip around as furling and unfurling happens.
I wish you well as you explore the reason.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hey everyone-


I have not look into this yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same thing happen less than 1 year after it was "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime in with suggestions or comments? 


Many thanks, 


Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Could it be the rivet?

Here is how mine look before i change them:
http://nikimat.com/genoa_furler_rivet.html

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



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On Sun, 7/17/16, william_maffei@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 17, 2016, 8:07 AM


 









Hey everyone-
I have not look into this
yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor
sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while
locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same
thing happen less than 1 year after it was
"fixed". I actually furled into the wind under
light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the
cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused
and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime
in with suggestions or comments? 
Many
thanks, 
Bill
MaffeiSM
#195It's all Good 









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I am guessing that it could be a lot of things, but, I will give you some guesses to eliminate because I have not experienced this. I imagine you have already eliminated these, but since you did not say, here you are:
  1. That motor is very strong. Is it possible that the swivel is binding? Maybe the external halyard is jamming something at the top, or some other cause of binding.
  2. Is there an alignment or tension issue? I believe that not enough tension on the Genoa Halyard will cause the foil to whip around as furling and unfurling happens.
I wish you well as you explore the reason.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hey everyone-


I have not look into this yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same thing happen less than 1 year after it was "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime in with suggestions or comments? 


Many thanks, 


Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good 



Head sail furling

william_maffei@...
 

Hey everyone-


I have not look into this yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same thing happen less than 1 year after it was "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime in with suggestions or comments? 


Many thanks, 


Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Neils, 
yes the relay is related to the red lamp
maybe you have a faulty relay (unlikely), but its more likely to be the alternator itself and/or the alternator regulator.
I don't recognise that alternator, maybe someone else with a similar vintage boat can help.
Otherwise you need at least an auto-electrician, but preferably a marine electrician that understands  the Amel isolated ground system, to investigate it.
Good luck
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

niels.hauerslev@...
 

Thanks Bill and Alan, you are very kind to send the pictures.
Please look at the pictures I just posted, in the photos section (did I do it right?).
In my Amel manual, this alternator that is in my engine room, looks just the same...I am not sure if my boat was "born" with this alternator after all...I believe it may be original...
Any idea the brand / model of this one, the sticker is worn and not readable.
I measured all the cables, no fault, I have a new relay to try instead of the old one on the engine, - is this replay related to the red lamp?
Thank you so much.
Niels