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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] alexandre-ac compressor timers

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Eric,

I know about the timers. And I thought I replied to that: in my case, I start them one at the time and wait/listen until the compressor is starting, then go to the next one.

Since I installed the Blue Sea multimeter, I have been been writing data for various 220 volt devices, which I will publish later.

For information here is the data regarding an air conditioning unit:

Genset was providing 248.5 Volt, no other device was connected (all other 220 Volt breakers were off).

My vessel owner manual announced 3.3 Amp + 2.2 Amp for the (Calpeda) Air Conditioning cooling pump
After starting it peak to 7.4 Amp
Then 6 Amp and slowly increased to 6.59 Amp and oscillate between 6.58 and 6.59 Amp.

I am yet to do a test with a 2nd unit running at the same time.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sun, 8/28/16, kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] alexandre-ac compressor timers
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 28, 2016, 5:48 PM


 









Alexandre,
if you turn on all 3 A/C units at once they will all
not start. In each unit in the control box with the
capacitors, there is an electronic timer with  adjustable
wheel in seconds . My aft cabin starts immediately, Main
cabin 15 seconds later and forward cabin 30 seconds after
the aft cabin.
The chances of them all starting again at once is
small. The fans do start as soon as the units are turned on.
they each draw 2-3 amps , you will then see the compressor
start about another 8 amps then the units drop down to about
4 amps each on high speed.
Fair Winds,
Eric
Sm376
 
 
 

888
----- Original
Message -----
From: "peacock@nhms.biz
[amelyachtowners]"
Date: Sunday,
August 28, 2016 3:21 pm
Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections
(Amel systems breakdown)
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> Well, I'm going to beat this dead
horse some more.
>
>
Yes, Olivier's excellent summary from August 18 should
be
> required reading by all.
> However, my biggest question is, besides
installing a
> multimeter as
Nikimat has, how else can we protect against a
> fire? A total of 16 amps, even at 220 V,
goes quickly. Pulling
> into port on a
hot day, turning on three AC units, with a
> charger trying to bring back a battery
bank that's half dead,
> may, I
suspect, add up to more than 16 amps. I'm not even
> talking about the microwave, dive
compressor, and other items.
> Have I
been living life dangerously?
>










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Cleaning-Thanks Bill

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Great idea for the oil absorbed pads !!!

Thanks for sharing!

Alexandre




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On Sun, 8/28/16, kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Cleaning-Thanks Bill
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 28, 2016, 5:52 PM


 










Well today I bit the
bullet and started to clean the bilge. I wanted to thank
Bill for suggesting to use a shop vac. It saved me hours of
cleaning.
 
Just as an additional note , I found that the oil
absorb pads do a great job of cleaning up the hoses and grey
float tube that are  in the bilge.
Fair Winds,
Eric
Sm 376 Kimberlite










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Battery transfer from engine room to passageway

Leopold Hauer
 

Hi everyone,


my SM # 69 is from 1992 and still has the batteries in the engine room.

Since this  (in combination with most of the lockers and the dive compressor being on the same side) causes a visible disbalance.

 I am thinking of transferring the batteries under the bed in the passageway.


Has anyway ever done this? Whoever has experience with such a transfer please give me input!


Leo

Yin Yang

SM 69


anchoring at Favignana, Egidean Islands, Sicily



You can use a 50 amp USA plug on a 30 amp cable.

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmission

Conn Williamson <connwilliamson@...>
 

Joel, I thought I might check up on the cooling side as you mentioned the one with the cooler problem, and I don't have one.
I found a repair and spec manual on the net. It says the max hp for the 450 is 272hp!!. No wonder they last so long as the Perkins is only
80hp. The manual says to use the exchanger when operating above 60kw, which equates to 80hp. So it's right on boarder line. I suppose as this 
tranny has lasted this long without any problem everthing should be ok. Just thought you may be interested in this info. Cheers..


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Mike, 

Mostly right… with a few caveats...

First, plugging a 30 amp rated cord into a 50 amp outlet means that the 30 amp cord is not adequately protected.  To be sure, people do this all the time, and almost all of the time, they don’t have a problem  But it is part of the reason that shore power connections are such common sources of insurance claims.

A 30 Amp 110 Volt connection will not power EVERYTHING on a late model Amel SM.  I wasn’t really clear about what I meant.  30 Amps of 110V will let you run the basic features of the boat, but 3 air conditioners, plus a water heater, plus a microwave plus a toaster might be getting to the point you pop a 30 Amp breaker.  16 Amps of 110V power really is not enough for an Amel to support us in the lifestyle to which we are accustomed.  16 Amps of 220V power is about the same as a 30 Amp 110 Volt supply.  Good enough, with a just a bit of care.

Be sure that your 220 cable actually is rated for 30 (or 32) amps.  Some of them are only rated for 16 amps.  You say a “smaller wire”  than the 30 Amp plug. That would be a key clue that it might NOT be a 30 amp cord!  

The 16 Amp 220V cord is rated to supply about the same amount of usable power as the 30 Amp 110 Volt cord.  If you try to pull 30 or 32 amps through that thinner cord for any length of time, you might be in for a very nasty surprise.  It wouldn’t be long before you melted or set the cord on fire, especially where it was coiled in a bundle.  That 32 Amp breaker in the boat is not there to protect the supply cord. If you plug a 16 Amp cord into a 16 Amp shore power supply the breaker in the supply pylon will protect your cord.  If you plug that same cord into a 32 Amp supply, it is now unprotected.


Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Block Island, RI
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Aug 28, 2016, at 14:18, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello Bill.

 

I must admit to not being a 100% sure that I have this right, but so far, this is my understanding of our shore power system as used here in the US. I look forward to others’ comments that may enhance/clarify my understanding.

 

Aletes, SM#240, is configured to allow either 110V and 240V shore power here in the US. The plug box on the engine room forward bulkhead has 2 receptacles, one labeled 220 (or 240 as I am working the labeling from memory) and the other I believe 110/220 (also suspect labeling). We plug the male plug into the appropriate receptacle for the shore power cord we are using. 

 

The 110 comes aboard via a 30amp US configured power cord, through the 32amp 110v breaker in the plug box to a 110 to 220v step-up transformer back to the 110/220 receptacle in the plug box. The 240 volt power cord is actually a smaller wire, in our case probably the original European black wire and comes aboard and then directly to the 220v receptacle. 

 

The 220 v boat system is 30 amps max load (breaker on the back/side of the 220v switch panel). However the 220v shoe power cord which is sized for 30 amp has a 50 amp plug on the end at the dock electrical pedestal so that it can access both hot legs of the US 240v system. I suppose this is not the safest since the shore power cord is the weak link between the 30 amp panel breaker and the 50 amp pedestal breaker.

 

End of the day, I believe 30 amp 110V gives you only ½ the total POWER (watts) that 30 amp at 240v yields. Therefore I don’t believe one could run all the equipment on the 220 volt panel at the same time when plugged into 110V, but I haven’t tested that. Also I believe our ONAN generator puts out 30 amp at 220v as a reference.

 

Again, all this is from memory as I am not on the boat, and therefore suspect, but it might get things going for you. It’s a quite Sunday afternoon on land and it’s always nice to be thinking about boaty stuff.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:12 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

 

  

Hello everyone -

 

I know this topic is somewhat (again) like beating a dead horse however, I find that trying to search the forum for answers is very difficult. I am currently running the 30amp cord to my boat and in the last 1+ year I have had no issues running all the systems on the boat via US power (2 phase). The only things I cannot run are the microwave, water maker and central vacuum systems (without running the genset). So I have this 50amp cord sitting in my lazorette that I have never even thought of using. Is it even possible to use this in the US? In the past when I have plugged this in the breaker would trip almost immediately. The shore power box in the engine room has a 32amp breaker on it so it almost seems useless to me however, I know Amel would not install this if that were the case. Can anyone shed some light on my shore power configuration? I know, I know this is a total Amel rookie question and I apologize but it is easier to post a topic then search through the many posts and narrow it down. My lack of knowledge in electrical systems does not help me at all with this basic question and for that I apologize again. 

 

Cheers,

 

Bill Maffei 

SM #195

It's all Good




Bilge Cleaning-Thanks Bill

eric freedman
 


alexandre-ac compressor timers

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Mike,

Since you also have the optional 110 to 220 volt transformer onboard.
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator/shore_power_tracing_19.jpg
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator/shore_power_tracing_27.jpg

When you are at your boat, is there any chance you could tell me how the 110 Volt shore power is wired to what I assume is you have a 30 Amp 125 Volt US plug
http://www.nikimat.com/shore_power_plug_125_volt.html

Bill can look at the illustration of what you described at:
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator_part_1.html

Therefore, as Olivier confirm us, the 220 volt shore power is rated only for 16 Amp…

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Sun, 8/28/16, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@verizon.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 28, 2016, 1:18 PM


 









Hello Bill.  I must admit to not being a 100%
sure that I have this right, but so far, this is my
understanding of our shore power system as used here in the
US. I look forward to others’ comments that may
enhance/clarify my understanding.  Aletes, SM#240, is configured to
allow either 110V and 240V shore power here in the US. The
plug box on the engine room forward bulkhead has 2
receptacles, one labeled 220 (or 240 as I am working the
labeling from memory) and the other I believe 110/220 (also
suspect labeling). We plug the male plug into the
appropriate receptacle for the shore power cord we are
using.  The 110 comes aboard via a 30amp
US configured power cord, through the 32amp 110v breaker in
the plug box to a 110 to 220v step-up transformer back to
the 110/220 receptacle in the plug box. The 240 volt power
cord is actually a smaller wire, in our case probably the
original European black wire and comes aboard and then
directly to the 220v receptacle.  The 220 v boat system is 30 amps
max load (breaker on the back/side of the 220v switch
panel). However the 220v shoe power cord which is sized for
30 amp has a 50 amp plug on the end at the dock electrical
pedestal so that it can access both hot legs of the US 240v
system. I suppose this is not the safest since the shore
power cord is the weak link between the 30 amp panel breaker
and the 50 amp pedestal breaker.  End of the day, I believe 30 amp
110V gives you only ½ the total POWER (watts) that 30 amp
at 240v yields. Therefore I don’t believe one could run
all the equipment on the 220 volt panel at the same time
when plugged into 110V, but I haven’t tested that. Also I
believe our ONAN generator puts out 30 amp at 220v as a
reference.  Again, all this is from memory as
I am not on the boat, and therefore suspect, but it might
get things going for you. It’s a quite Sunday afternoon on
land and it’s always nice to be thinking about boaty
stuff.  Mike OndraAletes SM#240  From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:12
PM
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore
power connections (Amel systems
breakdown)    Hello everyone -
 I know this topic is somewhat (again) like beating
a dead horse however, I find that trying to search the forum
for answers is very difficult. I am currently running the
30amp cord to my boat and in the last 1+ year I have had no
issues running all the systems on the boat via US power (2
phase). The only things I cannot run are the microwave,
water maker and central vacuum systems (without running the
genset). So I have this 50amp cord sitting in my lazorette
that I have never even thought of using. Is it even possible
to use this in the US? In the past when I have plugged this
in the breaker would trip almost immediately. The shore
power box in the engine room has a 32amp breaker on it so it
almost seems useless to me however, I know Amel would not
install this if that were the case. Can anyone shed some
light on my shore power configuration? I know, I know this
is a total Amel rookie question and I apologize but it is
easier to post a topic then search through the many posts
and narrow it down. My lack of knowledge in electrical
systems does not help me at all with this basic question and
for that I apologize again.   Cheers,
 Bill Maffei SM #195It's all
Good









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I think having a 16 Amp breaker in a waterproof box is a very good idea.
Better be safe than sorry.

Alexandre



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On Sun, 8/28/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 28, 2016, 2:47 PM


 









There is only one foolproof way to prevent a fire
when you use a 16 amp rated cord to plug into a 30 or more
rated plug.  That is to have a 16 amp circuit breaker in a
waterproof box on the SHORE side of the cord as part of the
adapter.  Having a breaker on the boat side of the cord is
better than nothing, but it would not protect against a
short circuit in the cord itself.
Yes, you could monitor the power
draw on a meter.  On my boat that doesn’t work because
the monitoring is done by a fool (me!) who isn’t
perfect.
I know this is not going to be a
popular answer, but it really is the only foolproof way of
doing it.

Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieBlock Island, RI“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Aug 28, 2016, at 15:21, peacock@nhms.biz
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
Well, I'm going to beat this
dead horse some more.
Yes, Olivier's excellent
summary from August 18 should be required reading by
all. However, my
biggest question is, besides installing a multimeter as
Nikimat has, how else can we protect against a fire? A total
of 16 amps, even at 220 V, goes quickly. Pulling into port
on a hot day, turning on three AC units, with a charger
trying to bring back a battery bank that's half dead,
may, I suspect, add up to more than 16 amps. I'm not
even talking about the microwave, dive compressor, and other
items. Have I been living life dangerously? 











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

There is only one foolproof way to prevent a fire when you use a 16 amp rated cord to plug into a 30 or more rated plug.  That is to have a 16 amp circuit breaker in a waterproof box on the SHORE side of the cord as part of the adapter.  Having a breaker on the boat side of the cord is better than nothing, but it would not protect against a short circuit in the cord itself.

Yes, you could monitor the power draw on a meter.  On my boat that doesn’t work because the monitoring is done by a fool (me!) who isn’t perfect.

I know this is not going to be a popular answer, but it really is the only foolproof way of doing it.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Block Island, RI
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Aug 28, 2016, at 15:21, peacock@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Well, I'm going to beat this dead horse some more.


Yes, Olivier's excellent summary from August 18 should be required reading by all. 
However, my biggest question is, besides installing a multimeter as Nikimat has, how else can we protect against a fire? A total of 16 amps, even at 220 V, goes quickly. Pulling into port on a hot day, turning on three AC units, with a charger trying to bring back a battery bank that's half dead, may, I suspect, add up to more than 16 amps. I'm not even talking about the microwave, dive compressor, and other items. Have I been living life dangerously? 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Tom,

I am actually writing down each of the device Amp consumption…
I will post in a little bit.

I think we certainly all have been on the edge without knowing it…
I have used 3 A/C and a better charger (batteries were almost full)
Now that we are educated and that our wire are getting older we will be more careful.

Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 8/28/16, peacock@nhms.biz [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 28, 2016, 2:21 PM


 









Well, I'm going to beat this dead horse some
more.
Yes, Olivier's
excellent summary from August 18 should be required reading
by all. However, my biggest question is, besides
installing a multimeter as Nikimat has, how else can we
protect against a fire? A total of 16 amps, even at 220 V,
goes quickly. Pulling into port on a hot day, turning on
three AC units, with a charger trying to bring back a
battery bank that's half dead, may, I suspect, add up to
more than 16 amps. I'm not even talking about the
microwave, dive compressor, and other items. Have I been
living life dangerously? 









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

peacock@...
 

Well, I'm going to beat this dead horse some more.

Yes, Olivier's excellent summary from August 18 should be required reading by all. 
However, my biggest question is, besides installing a multimeter as Nikimat has, how else can we protect against a fire? A total of 16 amps, even at 220 V, goes quickly. Pulling into port on a hot day, turning on three AC units, with a charger trying to bring back a battery bank that's half dead, may, I suspect, add up to more than 16 amps. I'm not even talking about the microwave, dive compressor, and other items. Have I been living life dangerously? 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chain counter and display

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Our Chain counter also stopped working I made contact with Pochon who do not make these anymore but can repair them - email is accueilsavlr 'at ' pochon.com

Andrew
Ronpische
SM 472


On 27 Aug 2016, at 17:42, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

If your chain counter has a Raymarine body, I believe it was made by Pouchon in La Rochelle.
Eric
Sm376 Kimberlite

----- Original Message -----
From: "svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:46 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chain counter and display
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Hello Stephanie,
>
> Is your counter damaged? Ours was fine, so when we replaced
> all the electronics in 2013, we kept the counter.
>
>
> All we did is relocate the counter to the starboard side, to
> the right of the Amel speaker. Works nicely, it illuminates at
> night, and we use it almost every day.
>
>
> On new Amels, they now install a counter from the maker of the
> anchor gypsy, I believe.
>
>
> Cheerio,
>
>
> Peregrinus
> SM2K n. 350
> Sardinia
>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

Mike Ondra
 

As usual Alexandre of Nikimat has a very thorough and pictured explanation. I do not know if the black 240V shore power cord we have is original, nor do I have its numbers, but I had checked the actual numbers and ran the calcs a few years ago and am pretty sure at 240v it would handle the 30 amps. Probably time to repeat that exercise to verify given the 16 amps noted by Olivier.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 1:30 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

 

 

Hello Bill,

I totally agree with you and find it difficult myself to find answer on the forum…

Not sure by what you mean with the “central vacuum system” but this is irrelevant anyway.
Yes you are correct, since the microwave, dishwasher, washing machine, scuba compressor and 220 Volt water maker are 50 Herzt you must use your genset (except if you were in countries that provide 50 heart).

Questions to understand your question better:
Your 30 Amp volt is obviously connected to a 30 Amp 125 Volt plug similar to the last picture on this link:
http://nikimat.com/shore_power_plug_125_volt.html
Correct?

If correct it means you are using the optional 110 volt to 220 volt transformer in the boat
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator/shore_power_tracing_19.jpg
except you are plugged into the top plug
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator/shore_power_tracing_27.jpg
Correct?

So it means you have 2 shore power cables.
A thicker one that you are using now and a thinner one which is terminated with a 16 AMP European plug like this one:
http://www.nikimat.com/shore_power_plug/shore_power_plug_220_volt_1.jpg
Correct?

If correct on all of that, you can use your 50 Amp shore power cord BUT:

As Olivier beautifully explained us on August 18, 2016:
“the original shore power cable installed in your SM is a 3G2.5 HO7. This is a high quality cable (HO7), with 3 2.5sqmm wires, able to carry 16 amps, not more.”.

I have by accident run 3 air conditioning, etc. and very likely pulled more than 16 Amp.
I suspect it hold because they are made to age and x years later still able to support that rated 16 Amp.
But, personally, since I now know the limitation I will not do it again and use my Blue Sea AC Multimeter to make sure i do not exceed the 16 Amp.
http://nikimat.com/blue_sea_ac_multimeter_8247.html

Olivier added:
“Alan is right, the 32A breaker in the galley is made to hold the higher genset amperage.”

Continuing with your question, and considering I was correct on the previous question regarding your set-up
You can use a 50 Amp shore power connection connected to the “thinner” 220 Volt boat shore power (with the blue 16 Amp European power)
http://www.nikimat.com/shore_power_plug/shore_power_plug_220_volt_2.jpg

The connection of the wires is as following:

The 220 Volt has 3 wires:  Brown, Blue and Yellow/Green
Which are connected to my 50 Amp 125/250 Volt the following way:
US Black (110 Volt) goes to Brown
US Red or Black (110 Volt) goes to Blue
US Green (Ground)  goes to Yellow/green
US White is not connected. 

With the extension I use it is like this:

Marina (US)                Extension Cord        Vessel
Black 110 Volt               Black                Brown
Red or Black 110 Volt    White                Blue
Ground Green               Green                yellow/green
White                nowhere

But remember to not exceed the 16 Amp.

If I am wrong, I hope to be corrected by others.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 8/28/16, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, August 28, 2016, 11:12 AM


 









Hello everyone
-
I
know this topic is somewhat (again) like beating a dead
horse however, I find that trying to search the forum for
answers is very difficult. I am currently running the 30amp
cord to my boat and in the last 1+ year I have had no issues
running all the systems on the boat via US power (2 phase).
The only things I cannot run are the microwave, water maker
and central vacuum systems (without running the genset). So
I have this 50amp cord sitting in my lazorette that I have
never even thought of using. Is it even possible to use this
in the US? In the past when I have plugged this in the
breaker would trip almost immediately. The shore power box
in the engine room has a 32amp breaker on it so it almost
seems useless to me however, I know Amel would not install
this if that were the case. Can anyone shed some light on my
shore power configuration? I know, I know this is a total
Amel rookie question and I apologize but it is easier to
post a topic then search through the many posts and narrow
it down. My lack of knowledge in electrical systems does not
help me at all with this basic question and for that I
apologize again. 
Cheers,
Bill
Maffei SM
#195It's all Good




Change of email address for Linda and Jim DeSalvo

ldesalvo207 Desalvo
 

Just wanted to let you know that my bigplanet email is going away.  
MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS IS:


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

Mike Ondra
 

Hello Bill.

 

I must admit to not being a 100% sure that I have this right, but so far, this is my understanding of our shore power system as used here in the US. I look forward to others’ comments that may enhance/clarify my understanding.

 

Aletes, SM#240, is configured to allow either 110V and 240V shore power here in the US. The plug box on the engine room forward bulkhead has 2 receptacles, one labeled 220 (or 240 as I am working the labeling from memory) and the other I believe 110/220 (also suspect labeling). We plug the male plug into the appropriate receptacle for the shore power cord we are using.

 

The 110 comes aboard via a 30amp US configured power cord, through the 32amp 110v breaker in the plug box to a 110 to 220v step-up transformer back to the 110/220 receptacle in the plug box. The 240 volt power cord is actually a smaller wire, in our case probably the original European black wire and comes aboard and then directly to the 220v receptacle.

 

The 220 v boat system is 30 amps max load (breaker on the back/side of the 220v switch panel). However the 220v shoe power cord which is sized for 30 amp has a 50 amp plug on the end at the dock electrical pedestal so that it can access both hot legs of the US 240v system. I suppose this is not the safest since the shore power cord is the weak link between the 30 amp panel breaker and the 50 amp pedestal breaker.

 

End of the day, I believe 30 amp 110V gives you only ½ the total POWER (watts) that 30 amp at 240v yields. Therefore I don’t believe one could run all the equipment on the 220 volt panel at the same time when plugged into 110V, but I haven’t tested that. Also I believe our ONAN generator puts out 30 amp at 220v as a reference.

 

Again, all this is from memory as I am not on the boat, and therefore suspect, but it might get things going for you. It’s a quite Sunday afternoon on land and it’s always nice to be thinking about boaty stuff.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 12:12 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

 

 

Hello everyone -

 

I know this topic is somewhat (again) like beating a dead horse however, I find that trying to search the forum for answers is very difficult. I am currently running the 30amp cord to my boat and in the last 1+ year I have had no issues running all the systems on the boat via US power (2 phase). The only things I cannot run are the microwave, water maker and central vacuum systems (without running the genset). So I have this 50amp cord sitting in my lazorette that I have never even thought of using. Is it even possible to use this in the US? In the past when I have plugged this in the breaker would trip almost immediately. The shore power box in the engine room has a 32amp breaker on it so it almost seems useless to me however, I know Amel would not install this if that were the case. Can anyone shed some light on my shore power configuration? I know, I know this is a total Amel rookie question and I apologize but it is easier to post a topic then search through the many posts and narrow it down. My lack of knowledge in electrical systems does not help me at all with this basic question and for that I apologize again. 

 

Cheers,

 

Bill Maffei 

SM #195

It's all Good


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Bill,

I totally agree with you and find it difficult myself to find answer on the forum…

Not sure by what you mean with the “central vacuum system” but this is irrelevant anyway.
Yes you are correct, since the microwave, dishwasher, washing machine, scuba compressor and 220 Volt water maker are 50 Herzt you must use your genset (except if you were in countries that provide 50 heart).

Questions to understand your question better:
Your 30 Amp volt is obviously connected to a 30 Amp 125 Volt plug similar to the last picture on this link:
http://nikimat.com/shore_power_plug_125_volt.html
Correct?

If correct it means you are using the optional 110 volt to 220 volt transformer in the boat
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator/shore_power_tracing_19.jpg
except you are plugged into the top plug
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator/shore_power_tracing_27.jpg
Correct?

So it means you have 2 shore power cables.
A thicker one that you are using now and a thinner one which is terminated with a 16 AMP European plug like this one:
http://www.nikimat.com/shore_power_plug/shore_power_plug_220_volt_1.jpg
Correct?

If correct on all of that, you can use your 50 Amp shore power cord BUT:

As Olivier beautifully explained us on August 18, 2016:
“the original shore power cable installed in your SM is a 3G2.5 HO7. This is a high quality cable (HO7), with 3 2.5sqmm wires, able to carry 16 amps, not more.”.

I have by accident run 3 air conditioning, etc. and very likely pulled more than 16 Amp.
I suspect it hold because they are made to age and x years later still able to support that rated 16 Amp.
But, personally, since I now know the limitation I will not do it again and use my Blue Sea AC Multimeter to make sure i do not exceed the 16 Amp.
http://nikimat.com/blue_sea_ac_multimeter_8247.html

Olivier added:
“Alan is right, the 32A breaker in the galley is made to hold the higher genset amperage.”

Continuing with your question, and considering I was correct on the previous question regarding your set-up
You can use a 50 Amp shore power connection connected to the “thinner” 220 Volt boat shore power (with the blue 16 Amp European power)
http://www.nikimat.com/shore_power_plug/shore_power_plug_220_volt_2.jpg

The connection of the wires is as following:

The 220 Volt has 3 wires:  Brown, Blue and Yellow/Green
Which are connected to my 50 Amp 125/250 Volt the following way:
US Black (110 Volt) goes to Brown
US Red or Black (110 Volt) goes to Blue
US Green (Ground)  goes to Yellow/green
US White is not connected. 

With the extension I use it is like this:

Marina (US)                Extension Cord        Vessel
Black 110 Volt               Black                Brown
Red or Black 110 Volt    White                Blue
Ground Green               Green                yellow/green
White                nowhere

But remember to not exceed the 16 Amp.

If I am wrong, I hope to be corrected by others.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 8/28/16, william_maffei@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 28, 2016, 11:12 AM


 









Hello everyone
-
I
know this topic is somewhat (again) like beating a dead
horse however, I find that trying to search the forum for
answers is very difficult. I am currently running the 30amp
cord to my boat and in the last 1+ year I have had no issues
running all the systems on the boat via US power (2 phase).
The only things I cannot run are the microwave, water maker
and central vacuum systems (without running the genset). So
I have this 50amp cord sitting in my lazorette that I have
never even thought of using. Is it even possible to use this
in the US? In the past when I have plugged this in the
breaker would trip almost immediately. The shore power box
in the engine room has a 32amp breaker on it so it almost
seems useless to me however, I know Amel would not install
this if that were the case. Can anyone shed some light on my
shore power configuration? I know, I know this is a total
Amel rookie question and I apologize but it is easier to
post a topic then search through the many posts and narrow
it down. My lack of knowledge in electrical systems does not
help me at all with this basic question and for that I
apologize again. 
Cheers,
Bill
Maffei SM
#195It's all Good


US shore power connections (Amel systems breakdown)

william_maffei@...
 

Hello everyone -


I know this topic is somewhat (again) like beating a dead horse however, I find that trying to search the forum for answers is very difficult. I am currently running the 30amp cord to my boat and in the last 1+ year I have had no issues running all the systems on the boat via US power (2 phase). The only things I cannot run are the microwave, water maker and central vacuum systems (without running the genset). So I have this 50amp cord sitting in my lazorette that I have never even thought of using. Is it even possible to use this in the US? In the past when I have plugged this in the breaker would trip almost immediately. The shore power box in the engine room has a 32amp breaker on it so it almost seems useless to me however, I know Amel would not install this if that were the case. Can anyone shed some light on my shore power configuration? I know, I know this is a total Amel rookie question and I apologize but it is easier to post a topic then search through the many posts and narrow it down. My lack of knowledge in electrical systems does not help me at all with this basic question and for that I apologize again. 


Cheers,


Bill Maffei 

SM #195

It's all Good


Re: Chain counter and display

Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
 

Our chain counter was not working when we bought Indecent in 2013. The display carries an Amel logo, so we are not sure who the manfacturer is. We took the display off of the have station and in the back there is a hand engraved serial no. 141201-07A. Lofrans, our windless manufacturer, has an Iris chain counter model that looks similar to what we have. The Raymarine chain counter kit that the yacht repair company brought in looks like it is for vertical application at the windlass. I just sent a question to Amel LaRochelle to see what they recommend.

Many thanks,
Stephanie