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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bottom Paint SeaHawk's Island44

karkauai
 

As of two years ago, SeaHawk's Island44, their tin based paint, was still legal in the US for boats over 75 ft LOA.  Like Ric said, many if not most commercial ships use this or similar tin based paints, as does the US Navy.  It's not illegal to buy it in the US, but it is illegal to put it on a boat less than 75ft long.

I painted Kristy's bottom with this in Trinidad several years ago.  It lasted 4 1/2 + years in difficult conditions (brackish water in 6-8 ft tidal flow).  Unfortunately I was given bad information by a vendor when it was time to repaint.  Nothing sticks to this paint but more Island 44!  If you're going to put something else over it, you have to strip it chemically in an enclosed space, and dispose of residue in a lined landfill.

It is a great paint and is available in most of the world.  When it is time for me to repaint, I will use it again, and I'll buy enough to repaint again.  That should give me close to ten years of a trouble-free bottom.

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Aug 26, 2016, at 2:09 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Have a read of this :

Sea Hawk Paints executives get prison terms in banned-coating case

 



Tin based paints are banned nearly everywhere in the world, for good reason.

I wouldn't trust this company at all.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437..still in Koumac



Whoa, Seahawk in Fl still making great paint. Some tin paints like Seahawk 44 is Only sold outside the USA. It has lasted 4 years in the islands (hauled 4 months/yr). Works in Annapolis (brackish) too. Now on second yr  expect 2 more. used 2 coats, third at waterline. Most yards here avoid sanding due to regulations, Don't!  Guess what the Navy uses.
Bali Hai SN 24
Annapolis

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

Show message history

We're not in the Caribbean but in the Pacific.

We used Seahawk Cukote in 2014 before heading to Tahiti, it seemed to be OK until we arrived in New Zealand. After 3 months in the marina at gulf harbour we had a vegetable garden growing underneath, neighbouring boats didn't have this issue.
The Seahawk dealer didn't want to know about my fouling issues.
I since learnt that the executives of the company that makes Seahawk products were prosecuted (jailed?) for continuing to sell tin based paints in the US when they declared to the FDA that they had stopped. 
We since changed to Micron 77 ( I used micron 66 on my previous boat for years with excellent results except for one year which I believe was due to the painter adding thinners to the antifouling - Bill, Bebe knows all about that!) and it seems to be good.
My two penny worth.....
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Koumac, New Caledonia


Re: Leroy Somer Outhaul motor

Walter
 

Hi Alan,
sounds good. Going backward and forward and turning an bit and remember the number of turns - if there is a tie and you try pulling both cables from their motor side you might see it/something where the lower/outhaul cable comes out.
Good luck,
Walter (Noa SM2K 436)


Re: Leroy Somer Outhaul motor

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Walter,
OK, I'll try that and see if I can get the cable out.
I've managed to pry the brush holder out of the plastic holder on deck, and I used silver solder flux and silver solder to solder the cable to the brush holder, after cleaning everything with a small wire brush...it's working for the moment but I've just ordered a new motor from Maude and I'll keep the old one as a spare just in case.
If I can't get the cable out I thought I would just cut it and use a pair of heavy duty crimp connectors to connect the new motor to the existing cable...life seems to always be a compromise.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Reya Bilge Pump

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Well, it sounds like the same white gear that broke on our AMFA (note, not-Reya) bilge pump.  Amel sent us a replacement gear for €129.35, ex-VAT, plus shipping, a couple of years ago.

Cheerio,





---In amelyachtowners@..., <seagasm@...> wrote :

Yes, the motor turns a spiral pinion geared to drive the gear wheel, bit like a differential. The gear wheel has a plastic or neoprene ring gear pressed onto the alluminium gear wheel, like the ring gear of a flywheel. The gearwheel operates a piston lever that operates the pump diaphram to pump the bilge. It is the plastic/neoprene ring gear that has broken and the ring gear is slipping around the gear wheel that operates the lever action for the diaphram. Hope that makes sense. I sent another email to Reya but have had no reply. Pity these French sites don't translate to English, especially when they manufacture to distribute world wide.

Thank you for your interest.

Kind Regards
Barry & Robyn Tradewinds III SM 171


Re: Leroy Somer Outhaul motor

Walter
 

Hi Alan,
I took the outhaul motor and gearbox apart last year, refurbished the motor and got a new gearbox. No problem with the cables - maybe yours are wrapped around each other by coincidence and you are able to unwrapp them carefully trying this way and the other where they appear in the forward head.
The Leroy Somer technician insisted that the cable has to be hard-soldered to the brush holder connection. This cannot be done when the brass brush-holder is in place, but it can be slipped out of its plastic housing. Then you can hard solder (I used silver) and slip it in again. But hard soldering can´t be done nicely on the deck of the boat, so you are back to getting the cable out.
The plastic housing of the brush holder and it´s brass inner part is standard equipment for electric motors.

Kind regards,
Walter (Noa, SM2K 436)


Re: Reya Bilge Pump

seagasm@...
 

Yes, the motor turns a spiral pinion geared to drive the gear wheel, bit like a differential. The gear wheel has a plastic or neoprene ring gear pressed onto the alluminium gear wheel, like the ring gear of a flywheel. The gearwheel operates a piston lever that operates the pump diaphram to pump the bilge. It is the plastic/neoprene ring gear that has broken and the ring gear is slipping around the gear wheel that operates the lever action for the diaphram. Hope that makes sense. I sent another email to Reya but have had no reply. Pity these French sites don't translate to English, especially when they manufacture to distribute world wide.

Thank you for your interest.

Kind Regards
Barry & Robyn Tradewinds III SM 171


Leroy Somer Outhaul motor

Alan Leslie
 

I have had serious problems with the outhaul motor. It has been previously repaired and the wire/ brush holder connection is not good.

I've previously taken it apart on deck to resolder the wires as the cable is long enough just to have it sit on a box at the mast foot.

I tried to take the outhaul motor completely off the other day. Getting it off the gearbox is no issue, but the cable won't come out of the mast..it seems that the furling motor cable and the outhaul motor cable are tied together inside the mast..if I pull on one cable the other one moves with it even though I have the outhaul motor disconnected from the solenoid in the fwd head.

Does anyone have any advice on how to remove the cable from the mast ?

Thanks

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437

 


Re: Reya Bilge Pump

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Hello, is this the gear that turns the rotary action of the motor into the pistoning action the pump needs?

Regards,


Peregrinus
SM2K #350
At anchor, Olbia


---In amelyachtowners@..., <seagasm@...> wrote :

I have discovered the nylon gear cog on the main bilge pump has broken. This causes the gear to slip when engaged. Ideally I would ike to replace this gear wheel however, I am not getting any response from Reya and there does not seem to be any information in the "Files" folder on pumps. Does anyone have a contact at Reya or otherwise please? Thank you.


Kind Regards

Barry & Robyn

Tradewinds III SM #171



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bottom Paint time

Alan Leslie
 

Have a read of this :

Sea Hawk Paints executives get prison terms in banned-coating case

 



Tin based paints are banned nearly everywhere in the world, for good reason.

I wouldn't trust this company at all.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437..still in Koumac



Whoa, Seahawk in Fl still making great paint. Some tin paints like Seahawk 44 is Only sold outside the USA. It has lasted 4 years in the islands (hauled 4 months/yr). Works in Annapolis (brackish) too. Now on second yr  expect 2 more. used 2 coats, third at waterline. Most yards here avoid sanding due to regulations, Don't!  Guess what the Navy uses.
Bali Hai SN 24
Annapolis

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

Show message history

We're not in the Caribbean but in the Pacific.

We used Seahawk Cukote in 2014 before heading to Tahiti, it seemed to be OK until we arrived in New Zealand. After 3 months in the marina at gulf harbour we had a vegetable garden growing underneath, neighbouring boats didn't have this issue.
The Seahawk dealer didn't want to know about my fouling issues.
I since learnt that the executives of the company that makes Seahawk products were prosecuted (jailed?) for continuing to sell tin based paints in the US when they declared to the FDA that they had stopped. 
We since changed to Micron 77 ( I used micron 66 on my previous boat for years with excellent results except for one year which I believe was due to the painter adding thinners to the antifouling - Bill, Bebe knows all about that!) and it seems to be good.
My two penny worth.....
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Koumac, New Caledonia


Reya Bilge Pump

seagasm@...
 

I have discovered the nylon gear cog on the main bilge pump has broken. This causes the gear to slip when engaged. Ideally I would ike to replace this gear wheel however, I am not getting any response from Reya and there does not seem to be any information in the "Files" folder on pumps. Does anyone have a contact at Reya or otherwise please? Thank you.


Kind Regards

Barry & Robyn

Tradewinds III SM #171



Re: Bottom Paint time

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

We've had Seahawk Cukote (Brown - 3432)  since September 2012.  Two coats plus a bit of reinforcement at the waterline.  Lasted in quite nice condition until February 2015, when two additional coats were applied, and here we are, 18 months later, and the paint is quite alright, but not as nice.

I find that this paint benefits from having a diver wipe the hull at least once every six months.

I haven't yet started researching what are we going to do when we next haul out.  Is this product available in Europe/Turkey?

Cheerio,


Peregrinus 
SM2K #350 (2002)
At anchor, Olbia (Sardinia)




---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailor63109@...> wrote :

I'd like your opinion on how many coats of bottom paint to use.  We plan on heading into the eastern Caribbean on November 1 and we plan on pulling the boat now for bottom paint, C-Drive, prop and bow thruster maintenance.  I hadn't thought about more than one coat, but it is something the marine center offers so I wondered...

A little history:

In Feb 2015 my boat had a bottom job that included sanding to remove all for a start-over on the bottom, 1 coat of Seahawk Tuff Stuff Barrier Coat, fairing, and then 3 coats of Seahawk Tuff Stuff Barrier Coat and two coats of Seahawk CuKote bottom paint.

Seaawk CuKote is advertised as a multi-season paint.  Based on two coats 18 months ago I'm thinking one coat now would set me up for at least a year or more. 

I'm assuming when we pull the boat all is well with the bottom.  

Would your experience dictate more than one coat? 
 
Duane
SM#477 Wanderer


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Capacity AMFA Bilge Pump???

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

The AMFA 66B is a fresh water pump.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Aug 25, 2016 8:14 AM, "jsrogers@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I also need to replace my FEIT Bilge pump.  Is the concensus that it should be replaced with the model AMFA 66B 24v or PVM 0.16 with 26 L/m?   Has anyone used a larger capacity model that fits?

John Rogers
It's Good
SM #105


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bottom Paint time

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

Whoa, Seahawk in Fl still making great paint. Some tin paints like Seahawk 44 is Only sold outside the USA. It has lasted 4 years in the islands (hauled 4 months/yr). Works in Annapolis (brackish) too. Now on second yr  expect 2 more. used 2 coats, third at waterline. Most yards here avoid sanding due to regulations, Don't!  Guess what the Navy uses.
Bali Hai SN 24
Annapolis

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Aug 25, 2016, at 3:00 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We're not in the Caribbean but in the Pacific.

We used Seahawk Cukote in 2014 before heading to Tahiti, it seemed to be OK until we arrived in New Zealand. After 3 months in the marina at gulf harbour we had a vegetable garden growing underneath, neighbouring boats didn't have this issue.
The Seahawk dealer didn't want to know about my fouling issues.
I since learnt that the executives of the company that makes Seahawk products were prosecuted (jailed?) for continuing to sell tin based paints in the US when they declared to the FDA that they had stopped. 
We since changed to Micron 77 ( I used micron 66 on my previous boat for years with excellent results except for one year which I believe was due to the painter adding thinners to the antifouling - Bill, Bebe knows all about that!) and it seems to be good.
My two penny worth.....
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Koumac, New Caledonia


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time

Patrick McAneny
 

Ian, I bought Velox , maybe it is not the same . It also may not work in fresh water , that we have here on the Sassafras River.
Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: parkianj@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Aug 25, 2016 8:34 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time

 
Is your prop anti fouling Velox or Velux. Mine is Velux which I got in the Med. I am still using it and have never had any problem. Just wondering if it is a totally different product?

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Capacity AMFA Bilge Pump???

jsrogers@...
 

I also need to replace my FEIT Bilge pump.  Is the concensus that it should be replaced with the model AMFA 66B 24v or PVM 0.16 with 26 L/m?   Has anyone used a larger capacity model that fits?

John Rogers
It's Good
SM #105


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Pat,

In my case, it was done by a very good yard and I was doing a service on the engines at the time and monitored their process.  It was done as you stated but it has vanished in less than 10 hours… not a problem yet as I’m still in the Med and motor for 90% of the time but… soon in the ATL and wonder what the prop will look like as we depart for the crossing…

Oh well,

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007


On 25 Aug 2016, at 14:03, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jean-Pierre, Mine did not vanish, the prop is still fully coated with paint. I completely sanded the prop, applied two coats of primer and three coats of paint . My problem is that it did not work, I have never had such severe barnacle growth before., they love the stuff.
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Aug 25, 2016 7:57 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time

 
Hello Pat,

I have the same problem regarding the Velox… less than 10 hours after application, it had vanished….

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007



On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:44, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Duane, If your boat is in fresh or brackish water and will remain in it for more than a day or so before going into salt water , make sure the paint you select is compatible with fresh water. Some paints cannot be in fresh water longer , or its antifouling properties are destroyed. I almost made this mistake but was saved by a yard employee. I called and confirmed this with the paint manufacturer. I would never have thought it mattered what kind of water one is in.
I do not know if this is true for Velox prop paint , but I applied three coats three months ago and just hauled my boat. My prop was covered with barnacles , I wasted about $130 and a lot of time/work .I wrote a long email to their rep. for an explaination and never heard back .

Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2016 7:02 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time

 
I'd like your opinion on how many coats of bottom paint to use.  We plan on heading into the eastern Caribbean on November 1 and we plan on pulling the boat now for bottom paint, C-Drive, prop and bow thruster maintenance.  I hadn't thought about more than one coat, but it is something the marine center offers so I wondered...

A little history:

In Feb 2015 my boat had a bottom job that included sanding to remove all for a start-over on the bottom, 1 coat of Seahawk Tuff Stuff Barrier Coat, fairing, and then 3 coats of Seahawk Tuff Stuff Barrier Coat and two coats of Seahawk CuKote bottom paint.

Seaawk CuKote is advertised as a multi-season paint.  Based on two coats 18 months ago I'm thinking one coat now would set me up for at least a year or more. 

I'm assuming when we pull the boat all is well with the bottom.  

Would your experience dictate more than one coat? 
 
Duane
SM#477 Wanderer







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Mine is Velox





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On Thu, 8/25/16, parkianj@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, August 25, 2016, 7:33 AM


 









Is your prop anti fouling Velox or Velux. Mine is
Velux which I got in the Med. I am still using it and have
never had any problem. Just wondering if it is a totally
different product?



Ian



Ocean Hobo SN96
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time

Ian Park
 

Is your prop anti fouling Velox or Velux. Mine is Velux which I got in the Med. I am still using it and have never had any problem. Just wondering if it is a totally different product?

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Velox has work very well for over a year for me.

But one month after arriving in San Juan, the propeller was covered of Barnacle…

My neighbors explained to me it is notorious here, apparently due to a sugar released in the water from a plant?!?

So in my opinion, it will depends where you are.
In some places, nothing will help.

I personally will apply Velox again (already bought the pain).

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




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On Thu, 8/25/16, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@xs4all.nl [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 25, 2016, 6:56 AM


 









Hello Pat,
I have the same problem regarding
the Velox… less than 10 hours after application, it had
vanished….
Jean-Pierre Germain,SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu
007


On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:44, Patrick
Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 





Duane, If your boat is in fresh or
brackish water and will remain in it for more than a day or
so before going into salt water , make sure the paint you
select is compatible with fresh water. Some paints cannot be
in fresh water longer , or its antifouling properties are
destroyed. I almost made this mistake but was saved by a
yard employee. I called and confirmed this with the paint
manufacturer. I would never have thought it mattered what
kind of water one is in.

I do not know if this
is true for Velox prop paint , but I applied three coats
three months ago and just hauled my boat. My prop was
covered with barnacles , I wasted about $130 and a lot of
time/work .I wrote a long email to their rep. for an
explaination and never heard back .





Pat SM#123







-----Original Message-----

From: sailor63109@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2016 7:02 pm

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time










 













I'd like your opinion on
how many coats of bottom paint to use.  We plan on heading
into the eastern Caribbean on November 1 and we plan on
pulling the boat now for bottom paint, C-Drive, prop and bow
thruster maintenance.  I hadn't thought about more than
one coat, but it is something the marine center offers so I
wondered...





A little history:





In Feb 2015 my boat had a
bottom job that included sanding to remove all for a
start-over on the bottom, 1 coat of Seahawk Tuff Stuff
Barrier Coat, fairing, and then 3 coats of Seahawk Tuff
Stuff Barrier Coat and two coats of Seahawk CuKote bottom
paint.





Seaawk CuKote is advertised
as a multi-season paint.  Based on two coats 18 months ago
I'm thinking one coat now would set me up for at least a
year or more. 





I'm assuming when we
pull the boat all is well with the bottom.  





Would your experience dictate
more than one coat? 

 

Duane

SM#477 Wanderer




























































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time

Patrick McAneny
 

Jean-Pierre, Mine did not vanish, the prop is still fully coated with paint. I completely sanded the prop, applied two coats of primer and three coats of paint . My problem is that it did not work, I have never had such severe barnacle growth before., they love the stuff.
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Aug 25, 2016 7:57 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time

 
Hello Pat,

I have the same problem regarding the Velox… less than 10 hours after application, it had vanished….

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007



On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:44, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Duane, If your boat is in fresh or brackish water and will remain in it for more than a day or so before going into salt water , make sure the paint you select is compatible with fresh water. Some paints cannot be in fresh water longer , or its antifouling properties are destroyed. I almost made this mistake but was saved by a yard employee. I called and confirmed this with the paint manufacturer. I would never have thought it mattered what kind of water one is in.
I do not know if this is true for Velox prop paint , but I applied three coats three months ago and just hauled my boat. My prop was covered with barnacles , I wasted about $130 and a lot of time/work .I wrote a long email to their rep. for an explaination and never heard back .

Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2016 7:02 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time

 
I'd like your opinion on how many coats of bottom paint to use.  We plan on heading into the eastern Caribbean on November 1 and we plan on pulling the boat now for bottom paint, C-Drive, prop and bow thruster maintenance.  I hadn't thought about more than one coat, but it is something the marine center offers so I wondered...

A little history:

In Feb 2015 my boat had a bottom job that included sanding to remove all for a start-over on the bottom, 1 coat of Seahawk Tuff Stuff Barrier Coat, fairing, and then 3 coats of Seahawk Tuff Stuff Barrier Coat and two coats of Seahawk CuKote bottom paint.

Seaawk CuKote is advertised as a multi-season paint.  Based on two coats 18 months ago I'm thinking one coat now would set me up for at least a year or more. 

I'm assuming when we pull the boat all is well with the bottom.  

Would your experience dictate more than one coat? 
 
Duane
SM#477 Wanderer