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Re: Switch to LiFePO4

Billy Newport
 

My 2 cents. My old boat has dual Lithionics 12v x 560AH batteries with external BMS. I like the lithionics brand, latest batteries are UL listed and IP rated. 1120AH or 14kwh was enough to run a 9k BTU AC all night and I had 14kwh of Solar whch was enough to put 600aH back in the following day.
I liked having 2 batteries. One battery gets knocked off by its BMS then there is one more. My engine battery was an AGM charged from the lithiums with a mastervolt smart DC-DC charger. There was a house/engine parallel switch which would start the engine from my lithiums BUT would cook the AGM if left on for more than a couple of minutes so parallel then, start the engine, turn it off. I had dual 3kw Victron multiplus running everything on the boat from the inverters.

What did I learn from my setup
  • Seperate chargers and inverters are a good idea. Lets you run the boat in different AC regimes easily. The Victron charger/inverters will flow through shore power at its voltage and frequency so, seperate charger/inverter means the boat AC system is independent of shore power.
  • Seperate BMS. What good is independence for each battery. Whats bad is if the boat floods then the battery DC cables are outside the battery going to the BMS and the BMS cannot deal with that situation, the salt water will short the batteries. An internal BMS avoids this problem and protects the battery in this scenario. Pump out the water and the batteries should be fine once the "external" short is removed.
  • The location of the batteries on my 55 is right at the bottom of the stairs which is a crazy place to put them. A wave comes in, floods the cockpit, overflows in to the boat and now you've a problem. The Amel 53s having the batteries under the captain berth seems much smarter to me.
  • Charging the batteries from the alternator is where most of the complexity comes in. When I do my Amel, I'll charge the batteries from the shore power/gen and Solar and not use the engine alternator for the lithiums. I would charge the engine AGM from the alternator but nothing else. Now, it's much easier. The Sterling alternator protector was rated Maine Yacht Center as voodoo and I trust them. The alternator is complex. I had a 360aH alternator from API with a Balmar 614 regulator. It generates 5kw of power ish. That comes with a lot of heat and you'll need a well engineering cooling system. I had to derate to 230a to keeps temps to 80c at the alternator, plus there is the wear and tear on the engine belt to worry about. Just don't use the alternator, MUCH easier...
So, when I do the Amel, my plan is 600aH of 24v Lithiums with internal BMS. Maybe 6 strings of Battleborn 24v x 100aH. Reuse my mastervolt chargers (100A and 60A) from the generator and my solar. Keep an engine AGM battery connected to the alternator and a DC-DC smart charger from the lithiums. At least thats the plan but I would not integrate the alternator in to my setup like before and I still don't like the location of the batteries at the bottom of the stair well but at least with the battleborns, the BMS should help in a flood situation. It would be nice if the battleborns were IPX rated, I'm not sure if they are waterproof and I'd like for ones which were.
Re: Anchor washing pump model

CW Bill Rouse
 

This situation is a perfect example of, if it is NOT the original pump, nobody knows what pump a 25 year old SM may have installed today, Second and subsequent owners usually have no idea if the original pump was replaced or not. This happens more often than you expect.

Fred, nice pump and nice job!

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 6:59 AM scentstone <scentstone@...> wrote:

Hi,

The seawater pump for anchor washing was just replaced this winter at Amel pontoon by the best at electrical and Amel stuff around : Fred Quintard

It was a part of our "Grande visite" works and you'll see attached pictures and Ref on the pump.

Of course, it works perfectly and we added a 3 way valve allowing to get salt water in the cockpit and avoiding to see crew going overboard at sea for getting salt water in a bucket for pre-wash of dishes.

Keep just in mind that this pump and the original one do not have pressure regulation so you should not close the end of any hose installed on it, just use the switch on the wheel panel to switch it on or off.

I hope it helps

TF Marine Type A60 24V DC

Fred S/V ScentStone SM2K #375

 
Re: Anchor washing pump model

scentstone
 

Hi,

The seawater pump for anchor washing was just replaced this winter at Amel pontoon by the best at electrical and Amel stuff around : Fred Quintard

It was a part of our "Grande visite" works and you'll see attached pictures and Ref on the pump.

Of course, it works perfectly and we added a 3 way valve allowing to get salt water in the cockpit and avoiding to see crew going overboard at sea for getting salt water in a bucket for pre-wash of dishes.

Keep just in mind that this pump and the original one do not have pressure regulation so you should not close the end of any hose installed on it, just use the switch on the wheel panel to switch it on or off.

I hope it helps

TF Marine Type A60 24V DC

Fred S/V ScentStone SM2K #375

 
Re: Anchor washing pump model

Slavko Despotovic
 

Good morning,

my pump does not look like the one on your photo.  Looks like the sea water pump for the engine plus electrical motor. Pump is attached to the end of 24V motor. I will try to check it tomorrow if I have time to go to the boat.

Regards,

Slavko
Re: Anchor washing pump model

CW Bill Rouse
 

Michael & Robyn,

I am positive that you are incorrect. The 66b is a freshwater pump...photo below.

The original anchor wash pump for Amel SMs was the:
F.E.I.T Pompe
Model JDREX S40 24 volt
The same pump was then made and supplied to Amel by 
 A.M.F.A. and they used the same model: JDREX S40 24 volt
When A.M.F.A. stopped production the same pump was supplied by Reya using the same number, S40
Here is a photo of the S40:
image.png

The same situation happened with the original freshwater pump, the 66B, with the same suppliers above keeping the same number: 66B
Here is a photo of the 66b from my Amel Book:
image.png

For your information, there was a step-up model freshwater pump for late model SMs and all 54s. Its model number was 88b and it had the same progression of different suppliers as above. Here is a photo of the 88b:
image.png

I would email Amel and ask if they have any S40 repair kits.
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 6:24 PM Michael & Robyn <SY_RIPPLE@...> wrote:
Hi Slavko,

we have the same issue that the dc motor seems to have a short and pops the circuit breaker. I checked the brushes and they are clean and in good shape.
Our pump looks just like yours. Our Label isn't readable either, but somewhere in the forum I found a reference that is is an AMFA A66B, which kind of matches the label of ours with good will.
The DC motor can probably be replaced with a standard DC motor.
I am in the US and we are replacing ours with a PENTAIR SHURFLO PRO BLASTER II 4258 24V pump.
It isn't installed yet. I had to get NPT thread fittings hose barbs for 3/4" (19mm) hose. However it seems AMEL installed a 7/8" (22mm) hose. The fittings are all plastic and do not look as robust as the bronze fittings on the AMFA pump. It seems the AMFA A66B pump was also used as fresh water pump.
See the excellent documentation from nikimat: https://nikimat.com/fresh_water_pump_amfa.html

In your picture it looks like the pump is not mounted on its socket with the rubber dampers any more.
Will keep you posted how our project goes.
--
Michael & Robyn

SY RIPPLE SM2K # 417
Re: Anchor washing pump model

Michael & Robyn
 

Hi Slavko,

we have the same issue that the dc motor seems to have a short and pops the circuit breaker. I checked the brushes and they are clean and in good shape.
Our pump looks just like yours. Our Label isn't readable either, but somewhere in the forum I found a reference that is is an AMFA A66B, which kind of matches the label of ours with good will.
The DC motor can probably be replaced with a standard DC motor.
I am in the US and we are replacing ours with a PENTAIR SHURFLO PRO BLASTER II 4258 24V pump.
It isn't installed yet. I had to get NPT thread fittings hose barbs for 3/4" (19mm) hose. However it seems AMEL installed a 7/8" (22mm) hose. The fittings are all plastic and do not look as robust as the bronze fittings on the AMFA pump. It seems the AMFA A66B pump was also used as fresh water pump.
See the excellent documentation from nikimat: https://nikimat.com/fresh_water_pump_amfa.html

In your picture it looks like the pump is not mounted on its socket with the rubber dampers any more.
Will keep you posted how our project goes.
--
Michael & Robyn

SY RIPPLE SM2K # 417
Re: Anchor washing pump model

Thomas Peacock
 

My original pump was under the port side V-berth. Sea water came from the through hull for the forward head. I believe subsequent boats used fresh water heads, and the anchor wash fed off the sea chest in the engine room. 

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay

with its tiny keyboard

On Aug 14, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Slavko D. <slavko@...> wrote:

Hi Tom,

where did you install a new pump?

regards,

Slavko

--
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay
Re: Anchor washing pump model

Slavko Despotovic
 

Hi Tom,

where did you install a new pump?

regards,

Slavko
Re: Anchor washing pump model

Slavko Despotovic
 

 

Thank you for reply.

Is OEM pump available in Europe? Do you have a model number and manufacturer? 

Slavko
Re: Anchor washing pump model

Mark Garver
 

I did the same on mine. I tried to have the original pump rebuilt, but the cost was a tad more than just replacing it and like Tom, I added a longer hose and couldn’t be happier!

Mark Garver
SV It’s Good
SM #105
Gloucester, VA

On Aug 14, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:

Our anchor wash pump also failed about a year ago, mostly due to rust. It started to drip sea water, which ended up in the bilge by the forward head. 
We replaced it with an ITT Jabsco Hotshot 6 gallon per minute wash down pump. Great flow and pressure. It fit fairly easily, but the water ports were placed a little differently, but not too hard for a guy who really hates plumbing. 
I was never really happy with the anchor wash as a whole. I have put in a hose, connected to the anchor wash hoses in the forward port locker. It does require a person up front to clean the chain and anchor, but at least it really does get cleaned. It can also be used to wash down decks with seawater. 

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay 

On Aug 14, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Slavko D. <slavko@...> wrote:

Hello,

I am getting used to my new boat. I need some help with model of the anchor washing pump that is not working at all.  I made some photos but didinot check at the time how clear the photos are. Now I am 100km away from the boat and I would appreciate help if someone recognise the model of the pump from the photo. As the old one looks, new would be a good solution.

Thank you for help.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279
<IMG_0058.jpeg>

--
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay

Re: Both electric furlers no working

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Mark, for the headsail since it goes neither way check at the breaker first. On 299 this is in the port forward locker in the forard cabin, the same breaker does the anchor winch and the headsail furler. It will trip on overload. Are you sure the furler wasnt snagged anywhere, eg spare halyard tangled at the top or the bearing at the top clogged with salt? The salt clogging can be simply fixed by dropping the sail and vigorously rinsing the bearing with fresh water. For the mainsail furler, since it will go one way the most likely suspect is stuck brushes or a poor elecrical connection. Be aware if it will only roll one way, say unroll, you can carry on until it is fully unrolled and then it will just happily roll in, albeit in the reverse way.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl. Currently on the Hard at Opua

On 15 August 2020 at 02:51 "Mark Garver via groups.io" <mgarver=me.com@groups.io> wrote:


A couple of weeks ago, our main furler failed, it would unfurl, but it would not roll back in, but the outhaul worked just fine. The genoa worked just fine until last week when I was preparing the boat for the hurricane, it rolled out for about 2 seconds then stopped and wouldn’t operate in either direction. I am not sure if these two issues are related or not. Our boat is SM #105 (1993) and until these to issues happened everything was working as it should be. Regarding the genoa, I had a friend stand up on the bow to listen for a solenoid click or activation and there is nothing. I had to fly back to Texas for work before being able to sort these and am about to head back up this week to resolve and was looking for any input on where to begin. Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Mark

SV It’s Good
SM #105
Gloucester, VA
Re: Anchor washing pump model

CW Bill Rouse
 

Yes, very possible pump needs replacing. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 4:12 PM Slavko D. <slavko@...> wrote:
The breaker goes off when I try to start the washing from the cockpit. Pump is installed in engine room and breaker is near the breaker for watermaker.
So I would say that the problem is in the pump. 

Slavko

__________________________________

Ipad

On 14 Aug 2020, at 21:33, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


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This pump is no longer available. It normally can be rebuilt without any issues.

A common problem is that the breaker is accidentally turned OFF. The breaker is normally on a box in the engine room on later SMs where the pump is also in the engine room. Early model SMs have the pump near the bow.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:43 AM Slavko D. <slavko@...> wrote:
Hello,

I am getting used to my new boat. I need some help with model of the anchor washing pump that is not working at all.  I made some photos but didinot check at the time how clear the photos are. Now I am 100km away from the boat and I would appreciate help if someone recognise the model of the pump from the photo. As the old one looks, new would be a good solution.

Thank you for help.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279


--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279

Re: Anchor washing pump model

Slavko Despotovic
 

The breaker goes off when I try to start the washing from the cockpit. Pump is installed in engine room and breaker is near the breaker for watermaker.
So I would say that the problem is in the pump. 

Slavko

__________________________________

Ipad

On 14 Aug 2020, at 21:33, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


<image.png>


This pump is no longer available. It normally can be rebuilt without any issues.

A common problem is that the breaker is accidentally turned OFF. The breaker is normally on a box in the engine room on later SMs where the pump is also in the engine room. Early model SMs have the pump near the bow.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:43 AM Slavko D. <slavko@...> wrote:
Hello,

I am getting used to my new boat. I need some help with model of the anchor washing pump that is not working at all.  I made some photos but didinot check at the time how clear the photos are. Now I am 100km away from the boat and I would appreciate help if someone recognise the model of the pump from the photo. As the old one looks, new would be a good solution.

Thank you for help.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279


--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279
Re: Anchor washing pump model

Thomas Peacock
 

Our anchor wash pump also failed about a year ago, mostly due to rust. It started to drip sea water, which ended up in the bilge by the forward head. 
We replaced it with an ITT Jabsco Hotshot 6 gallon per minute wash down pump. Great flow and pressure. It fit fairly easily, but the water ports were placed a little differently, but not too hard for a guy who really hates plumbing. 
I was never really happy with the anchor wash as a whole. I have put in a hose, connected to the anchor wash hoses in the forward port locker. It does require a person up front to clean the chain and anchor, but at least it really does get cleaned. It can also be used to wash down decks with seawater. 

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay 

On Aug 14, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Slavko D. <slavko@...> wrote:

Hello,

I am getting used to my new boat. I need some help with model of the anchor washing pump that is not working at all.  I made some photos but didinot check at the time how clear the photos are. Now I am 100km away from the boat and I would appreciate help if someone recognise the model of the pump from the photo. As the old one looks, new would be a good solution.

Thank you for help.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279
<IMG_0058.jpeg>

--
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay
Re: Anchor washing pump model

Jose Alegria
 

I have the same problem at my 55; no water on chain. Where must be the breaker and the pump ? The light at cockpit console in on but nothing happens,
Thanks in advance


Jose Alegria
Amel55 #03-MERIT
+351918663037
Josealegr@...



No dia 14/08/2020, às 22:33, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> escreveu:


<image.png>


This pump is no longer available. It normally can be rebuilt without any issues.

A common problem is that the breaker is accidentally turned OFF. The breaker is normally on a box in the engine room on later SMs where the pump is also in the engine room. Early model SMs have the pump near the bow.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:43 AM Slavko D. <slavko@...> wrote:
Hello,

I am getting used to my new boat. I need some help with model of the anchor washing pump that is not working at all.  I made some photos but didinot check at the time how clear the photos are. Now I am 100km away from the boat and I would appreciate help if someone recognise the model of the pump from the photo. As the old one looks, new would be a good solution.

Thank you for help.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279

Re: Onan shuts down under load without shutdown codes

CW Bill Rouse
 

Mark,

Guessing from thousands of miles away.

The shutdown is because the block is too hot. 

Normally it should be about 80C under load and warmed up. However, the exhaust elbow is at the correct temperature. My guess is that the coolant is not circulating as it should, and therefore not cooling the block. The seawater side seems to be functioning correctly, but not the coolant side. That could be a number of things including the coolant (captive) pump, a loose fan belt on the captive pump, a stuck thermostat, an obstruction somewhere in the coolant path.

I would start with the thermostat. If you do not have a spare, you can temporarily remove it until you have one. You will likely need some PermaTex-type gasket material because those gaskets usually tear.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 1:28 PM Mark Pitt <mark_pitt@...> wrote:
I installed a new flow sensor that I had in my spares.  I also replaced the impeller.  The existing impeller did not look too bad but it appeared that one vane had adhered to the impeller hub, perhaps from overheating.  I opened the cooler and found no obstructions. I also examined the hose segments from the raw water pump to the cooler and found no obstructions.

I then ran the generator under a load of 13.5 amp.  When the engine block temperature reached 103C degrees, I shut the generator off.  The exhaust elbow never topped 52C degrees.  So this appears to be a problem on the cooling side.  The cooler itself is a less than two year old "Mr. Cool" that has been in service for at least 600 hours without problem. When I put the boat away for the winter last October, there was no hint of problem.  I fully winterized it at the time.

Suggestions?

Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III, SM #419, Rhode Island, USA

Re: Anchor washing pump model

CW Bill Rouse
 

image.png

This pump is no longer available. It normally can be rebuilt without any issues.

A common problem is that the breaker is accidentally turned OFF. The breaker is normally on a box in the engine room on later SMs where the pump is also in the engine room. Early model SMs have the pump near the bow.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:43 AM Slavko D. <slavko@...> wrote:
Hello,

I am getting used to my new boat. I need some help with model of the anchor washing pump that is not working at all.  I made some photos but didinot check at the time how clear the photos are. Now I am 100km away from the boat and I would appreciate help if someone recognise the model of the pump from the photo. As the old one looks, new would be a good solution.

Thank you for help.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279

Re: Onan shuts down under load without shutdown codes

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

He Mark



i've seen it once the Impeller didn't hold on the wave.

The level on the wave of the water pump that fixes the impeller and turns it was weared , so the impeller was in good condition but not worked because it slipped through the wave .
Good luck
Elja
SM Balu 222

Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Re: Onan shuts down under load without shutdown codes

Mark Pitt
 

I installed a new flow sensor that I had in my spares.  I also replaced the impeller.  The existing impeller did not look too bad but it appeared that one vane had adhered to the impeller hub, perhaps from overheating.  I opened the cooler and found no obstructions. I also examined the hose segments from the raw water pump to the cooler and found no obstructions.

I then ran the generator under a load of 13.5 amp.  When the engine block temperature reached 103C degrees, I shut the generator off.  The exhaust elbow never topped 52C degrees.  So this appears to be a problem on the cooling side.  The cooler itself is a less than two year old "Mr. Cool" that has been in service for at least 600 hours without problem. When I put the boat away for the winter last October, there was no hint of problem.  I fully winterized it at the time.

Suggestions?

Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III, SM #419, Rhode Island, USA
Anchor washing pump model

Slavko Despotovic
 

Hello,

I am getting used to my new boat. I need some help with model of the anchor washing pump that is not working at all.  I made some photos but didinot check at the time how clear the photos are. Now I am 100km away from the boat and I would appreciate help if someone recognise the model of the pump from the photo. As the old one looks, new would be a good solution.

Thank you for help.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279
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