Date   

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] mast pole for genoa

c.macdonald@...
 

Thanks Bill, very good info. I will think it over and keep what yo say in mind.
Charles
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Swim ladder for swim step

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Kent,

The hinge consists of a long pintle that is incorporated into the fiberglass along the forward edge of the platform and the gudgeons are two stainless steel eyes that are attached to stainless steel brackets that conform to the outer edge of the hull in the stern.  These brackets are placed just above the rubber bumper on the stern. The ends of the pintles are capped with stainless steel eyes to prevent the pintles from slipping out of the gudgeons on the brackets.  (See the new pictures I posted in the Photos section).

 I assume that all pieces were custom made by the previous owner, and not available commercially.  

Derick
SM2K#400


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] mast pole for genoa

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Charles,

I think the Secteur Blac people are giving you an answer without thinking.  

A standard whisker pole would exert no more lateral force on the mast than the Amel pole. It does the same thing, so the forces are the same. Certainly the attachment fittings at the shrouds do not carry any part of the thrust load from the Amel poles.  If I wanted to use standard whisker poles I would not hesitate to install them.

But…

Are you sure you are setting up the Amel poles correctly?  Has an experienced Amel sailor showed you how to rig them?  I only ask because I find them MUCH easier to use and rig than the standard whisker pole I have used on my past boats.  When set up as intended, they are very simple to handle, even for someone working alone. If you find them too heavy, you might be able to replace the aluminum sections with a carbon fiber tube and cut the weight dramatically.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ




On Jul 6, 2016, at 07:51, c.macdonald@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Amel Friends,
I inquired whether it would be feasible to install a mast pole for the genoa on my Maramu. I was told by the "Secteur Blanc" people (they  do the rigging for the Chantiers Amel at La Rochelle)  that the mast on the Amel  boats could not sustain enough lateral push to be so equipped. I did see a Maramu with a mast pole though. I wish I could avoid the complicated, cumbersome and heavy poles the Maramu comes with. I used them once or twice but find them almost impossible to rig when sailing solo. Also I got injured  when doing it last time.
Any good advice?
Charles
 Inuit (Maramu 253)
  





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

Great, I am glad that Patrick has been helping you. - he is good.

I used to have Pantaenius through Scott, but switched to Falvey when I purchased my Amel last year. I have yet to see how they will respond to my explosion issues. Hopefully today they will give me authorization to proceed. This is my first claim ever.

Look forward to see you if you are in the yard. I am still on the hard unfortunately as I wait for the repairs to begin and get my new engine running - still waiting for Volvo parts and the exhaust hookup. I keep pushing, but it is really frustrating getting the local contractors moving.
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 8:18 AM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]"


 
James, Thanks for getting back to me regarding Patrick. I was surprised yesterday morning when a Electrical engineer , a surveyor , and Patrick all showed up at my house to look at my boat .  I had only had one brief conversation with Patrick , I was surprised Pantaenius included him in the process ,surprised they sent so many qualified men to survey the damage . Patrick seemed to very knowledgable , and I will have him do the repairs . I will take my boat to Bert Jabin's in Annapolis  where your boat is , so may see you there . I will say , so far I have been pleased with Pantaenius's response and my broker, Scott Stusek has been helpful resolving issues.
Thanks Again,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, Jul 5, 2016 9:25 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

 
It is true that Patrick is handling the replacement work for my battery explosion issue. I cannot say whether he understands the Amel systems directly, but I do trust his expertise on electrical systems and instruments in general. I do remember discussing the Amel isolated ground philosophy. He is a strong proponent of a common AC/DC ground, which I think is a bit different.

His knowledge of DC distribution systems is quite good, as is his understanding of the instruments. He is going to do a complete systems checkout once the new batteries are in and running. I will try to work with him as much as possible.
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:39 AM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Jamie, I have spoke with Patrick at Marine Electric Systems about replacing  damaged equipment resulting from lightning . From what he said ,I believe he is doing the work on your boat . Could you tell me if you feel he has a good understanding of the Amel electrical system .

Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2016 9:44 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

 
Thanks for the advice. I am not sure what others have but I have the Mastervolt 24V alternator and it has an external smart regulator. I need to read up on it, but presumably it could handle any type of AGM batteries, since that is what I had with the Intimidators. I know my Morningstar MPPT solar regulator is set for AGM. The boat came with the original Dolphin 100A and a replacement Charles 45A, which is what I use when I am plugged in. Again, I know it is set to AGM. I am not sure about the Dolphin, since I was rarely on generator power and even then the Charles seems to do the trick.

I am going to discuss all with my electrician after my insurance company approves the repairs. My insurance wants a thorough test of the entire electrical system, and my electrician is the one who added the fuse systems that protect all the feeders from the battery compartment - there are I think 10 fuses on the wall just downstream of the main cutoff switches. I do not have a fuse in the 12V starter/alternator feeder to the engine. By the way, one of the 24V fuses blew when the explosion happened. It may have been a fire if I did not have that fuse installed - who knows. Thank goodness there was no fire.

Still no final statement from the surveyor the insurance company hired as to what caused the explosion.

Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044




On Monday, July 4, 2016 5:50 AM, "svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Agree with Bill's comments.  In our case, we had to re-program both Mastervolt chargers for AGM charging and add external Mastervolt regulation to the factory Leece-Neville alternator, also properly programmed for AGM charging.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350
At anchor, Camoglie (Génova)







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

Patrick McAneny
 

James, Thanks for getting back to me regarding Patrick. I was surprised yesterday morning when a Electrical engineer , a surveyor , and Patrick all showed up at my house to look at my boat .  I had only had one brief conversation with Patrick , I was surprised Pantaenius included him in the process ,surprised they sent so many qualified men to survey the damage . Patrick seemed to very knowledgable , and I will have him do the repairs . I will take my boat to Bert Jabin's in Annapolis  where your boat is , so may see you there . I will say , so far I have been pleased with Pantaenius's response and my broker, Scott Stusek has been helpful resolving issues.
Thanks Again,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, Jul 5, 2016 9:25 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

 
It is true that Patrick is handling the replacement work for my battery explosion issue. I cannot say whether he understands the Amel systems directly, but I do trust his expertise on electrical systems and instruments in general. I do remember discussing the Amel isolated ground philosophy. He is a strong proponent of a common AC/DC ground, which I think is a bit different.

His knowledge of DC distribution systems is quite good, as is his understanding of the instruments. He is going to do a complete systems checkout once the new batteries are in and running. I will try to work with him as much as possible.
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:39 AM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Jamie, I have spoke with Patrick at Marine Electric Systems about replacing  damaged equipment resulting from lightning . From what he said ,I believe he is doing the work on your boat . Could you tell me if you feel he has a good understanding of the Amel electrical system .

Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2016 9:44 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

 
Thanks for the advice. I am not sure what others have but I have the Mastervolt 24V alternator and it has an external smart regulator. I need to read up on it, but presumably it could handle any type of AGM batteries, since that is what I had with the Intimidators. I know my Morningstar MPPT solar regulator is set for AGM. The boat came with the original Dolphin 100A and a replacement Charles 45A, which is what I use when I am plugged in. Again, I know it is set to AGM. I am not sure about the Dolphin, since I was rarely on generator power and even then the Charles seems to do the trick.

I am going to discuss all with my electrician after my insurance company approves the repairs. My insurance wants a thorough test of the entire electrical system, and my electrician is the one who added the fuse systems that protect all the feeders from the battery compartment - there are I think 10 fuses on the wall just downstream of the main cutoff switches. I do not have a fuse in the 12V starter/alternator feeder to the engine. By the way, one of the 24V fuses blew when the explosion happened. It may have been a fire if I did not have that fuse installed - who knows. Thank goodness there was no fire.

Still no final statement from the surveyor the insurance company hired as to what caused the explosion.

Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044




On Monday, July 4, 2016 5:50 AM, "svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Agree with Bill's comments.  In our case, we had to re-program both Mastervolt chargers for AGM charging and add external Mastervolt regulation to the factory Leece-Neville alternator, also properly programmed for AGM charging.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350
At anchor, Camoglie (Génova)





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] O-ring

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Paul,

I am short on time because of work, but I think you talk about the O ring 40.00 x 2.50 for the Bow thruster
http://nikimat.com/spare_parts_bow_thruster.html

And the 24X3.5 for the Oil Plug for C-Drive
http://nikimat.com/spare_parts_c_drive.html

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 7/6/16, osterberg.paul.l@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] O-ring
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2016, 3:07 AM


 









Hello!Does anyone
know the dimensions for the O-ring inside the prop shaft
busing?and the O-ring dimension for the
Oil plug in the C-Drive, We have an Amel SM
2000 #259 from 1999
Paul on
S/Y Kerpa SM#259 Siracusa Sicily










#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161 --
#yiv8911304161ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-mkp #yiv8911304161hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-mkp #yiv8911304161ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-mkp .yiv8911304161ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-mkp .yiv8911304161ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-mkp .yiv8911304161ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-sponsor
#yiv8911304161ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-sponsor
#yiv8911304161ygrp-lc #yiv8911304161hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-sponsor
#yiv8911304161ygrp-lc .yiv8911304161ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161activity span
.yiv8911304161underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv8911304161 .yiv8911304161attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv8911304161 .yiv8911304161attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv8911304161 .yiv8911304161attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv8911304161 .yiv8911304161attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv8911304161 .yiv8911304161attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv8911304161 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv8911304161 .yiv8911304161bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv8911304161 .yiv8911304161bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv8911304161 dd.yiv8911304161last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv8911304161 dd.yiv8911304161last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv8911304161 dd.yiv8911304161last p
span.yiv8911304161yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv8911304161 div.yiv8911304161attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv8911304161 div.yiv8911304161attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv8911304161 div.yiv8911304161file-title a, #yiv8911304161
div.yiv8911304161file-title a:active, #yiv8911304161
div.yiv8911304161file-title a:hover, #yiv8911304161
div.yiv8911304161file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv8911304161 div.yiv8911304161photo-title a,
#yiv8911304161 div.yiv8911304161photo-title a:active,
#yiv8911304161 div.yiv8911304161photo-title a:hover,
#yiv8911304161 div.yiv8911304161photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv8911304161 div#yiv8911304161ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv8911304161ygrp-msg p a span.yiv8911304161yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv8911304161 .yiv8911304161green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv8911304161 .yiv8911304161MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv8911304161 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;min-height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv8911304161 .yiv8911304161replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv8911304161 input, #yiv8911304161 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv8911304161
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-mlmsg #yiv8911304161logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-msg
p#yiv8911304161attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-reco
#yiv8911304161reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-sponsor #yiv8911304161ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-sponsor #yiv8911304161ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-sponsor #yiv8911304161ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv8911304161 #yiv8911304161ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv8911304161


mast pole for genoa

c.macdonald@...
 

Hello Amel Friends,
I inquired whether it would be feasible to install a mast pole for the genoa on my Maramu. I was told by the "Secteur Blanc" people (they  do the rigging for the Chantiers Amel at La Rochelle)  that the mast on the Amel  boats could not sustain enough lateral push to be so equipped. I did see a Maramu with a mast pole though. I wish I could avoid the complicated, cumbersome and heavy poles the Maramu comes with. I used them once or twice but find them almost impossible to rig when sailing solo. Also I got injured  when doing it last time.
Any good advice?
Charles
 Inuit (Maramu 253)
 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Boom track bolts

karkauai
 

Hi Eamonn,

I was unable to remove any of the flat head machine screws from the outhaul tracks.  After breaking the heads of the first two (the heads split at the slot with not much force, they are very brittle), I tried several more but with even less force.  None budged.

My guess is that your painters broke many of the bolts trying to get them out.  Too bad they didn't save at least one of each.

Sorry I couldn't help you.  Unless someone with a newer boat can get them out to measure, you can probably get them from Amel.  Contact Maud at sav"at"Amel"dot"fr   I believe the plant closes for the entire month of August, so it's probably best to call as well (+33 5 46 55 00 75) if you are going to need them before late September.

If you can confirm sizes, a good source for fasteners of all kinds in the US is McMaster-Carr (www.mcmaster.com)

Let us know what you find out.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 2, 2016, at 12:29 PM, eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi

No I still do not know the size of the bolts.  I heard they are about 8mm.  But I did not realize that there were different sizes on the 2 booms.  It would be great if you could figure out the size or type from a hardware store.

Thanks
Eamonn


O-ring

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello!

Does anyone know the dimensions for the O-ring inside the prop shaft busing?

and the O-ring dimension for the Oil plug in the C-Drive, 

We have an Amel SM 2000 #259 from 1999


Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259 Siracusa Sicily



Re: Amel solar panels

eamonn.washington@...
 

Hi

yes, the Panasonic panels do not have a marine guarantee.  If they were installed on a house they are guaranteed for 25 years.  My take on that is, if they fail after 10 years I already have got my moneys worth.  They were the cheapest part of setting it all up.  The MPPT is almost as expensive.  And the drilling of the holes in the arch, preparing the arch for the panels, and pulling the wires, never mind the 100 hours of research beforehand, that took far more time.

If they fail and need replacing, it would be a much simpler job.  Wires, MPPT, etc all in place.

Regards
Eamonn


Re: Amel solar panels

eamonn.washington@...
 

Hi Mark

The N330 and N325 were just released in Europe in April.  They have exactly the same cell as the N285, just one row more.  After assembly they are tested; if the Watts reach or exceed 330 they are sold as N330, or are between 325W and 329W they are sold as N325.

I connected the panels in series.  In parallel would require a more expensive MPPT.  I used 10mm copper wires the whole way from the panels, to the MPPT and onto the batteries.  In theory smaller diameter could have been used from the panels.  Thats 10mm each for positive and negative.

After I removed the false panel hiding the small shelf in the hanging locker, it just required a bit of sanding to even the fiberglass and a couple of coats of white bilge paint (otherwise it is an ugly black).  I created an L-shaped metal support, which was fixed to the fore bulkhead.  Besides bolting the MPPT bottom directly to the shelf, I also bolted it to this support.  Then the the trip switches were also attached to the same support.  All this was near the ceiling, so the hanging locker can still be used.  An electrician did the final wiring, but I believe the switches are on the positive lines.  The trip switches were in a plastic housing.  I never had overheating problems, the MPPT barely gets warm (the TriStar MMPT-60 has enormous passive cooling fins).  No fan required.

Finally I installed a remote display for the MPPT, overhead just above the passage way entrance from the charttable to the battery bank, flush mounted.

Good luck
Eamonn


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Swim ladder for swim step

karkauai
 

Thanks Derick.  How does the hinge part work?
Kent


On Jul 5, 2016, at 10:23 PM, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,


Although I currently use S-hooks on the support wires to hold them up and prevent the platform from accidentally deploying when it is stored, I have found that the platform lays flat against the stern and will stay up on its own, without these hooks.  In the absence of these S hooks, if I attached a line to the edge of the platform and let it trail overboard, perhaps with an end knot just off the water so that it did not grow slime, then I am sure pulling on that line could deploy the platform from the water and I already know from experience that the folding ladder can then be unfolded from the platform by someone swimming in the water.

The platform is made of fiberglass, with stainless steel hardware for the hinge and the eyes where the supporting cables are attached.  The ladder is also stainless steel. The surface of the platform is non-skid - an important safety feature.

I will try to post additional photos of the platform in the Photo section.

Derick
SM2K #400 Brava


Re: Swim ladder for swim step

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Kent,

Although I currently use S-hooks on the support wires to hold them up and prevent the platform from accidentally deploying when it is stored, I have found that the platform lays flat against the stern and will stay up on its own, without these hooks.  In the absence of these S hooks, if I attached a line to the edge of the platform and let it trail overboard, perhaps with an end knot just off the water so that it did not grow slime, then I am sure pulling on that line could deploy the platform from the water and I already know from experience that the folding ladder can then be unfolded from the platform by someone swimming in the water.

The platform is made of fiberglass, with stainless steel hardware for the hinge and the eyes where the supporting cables are attached.  The ladder is also stainless steel. The surface of the platform is non-skid - an important safety feature.

I will try to post additional photos of the platform in the Photo section.

Derick
SM2K #400 Brava


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Swim ladder for swim step

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

I have the most simple solution. I use portable steps for inflatable boat. It is commercial product.  Normaly  I keep the steps in the lazaret. I made a loop from 1/4" line and hang the steps on that loop. The other end of the loop goes unter the aft stanchion. It is very convinient and simple. It is important to make the loop not too long. It should keep the steps verticall when you use them.

 

I'm looking to add a swim ladder to swim step.  Ideally this would b something that is easy to set up and remove when sailing.    Has anyone addd one?  If so, can you provide details?


Thanks

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Grenada 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Swim ladder for swim step

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Gang,

We have a fairly simple solution; we added a 4 step telescopic ladder on the lower step of the stern.  The setup allows the hinge to extend outside the Amel fender so to stop compressing the tubes against the horizontal bar, we added a flat hard fender … this keeps the steps vertical while boarding.  We stow it vertically on passage held by a short line to solar arch lateral brace bar.  Works ok.

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM007



On 5 Jul 2016, at 22:29, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

That looks like it would be a great addition, Derick.  I guess it's above the bumper, so still pretty high off the water.
Can you deploy it from in the water?  My insurance company wants me to add some kind of emergency boarding apparatus in case I went overboard without the ladder down.  Without fins on I can't board over the stern.
Do you have any other pics of the rigging for it?  Is it made of Starboard?
Thanks,
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 5, 2016, at 3:38 PM, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

In the Files section under "miscellaneous " there is a .pdf entitled "SM2K #400 stern swim ladder".  It is actually a platform that swings down with a three step folding ladder attached. If there were four steps it would be even better. 


 The platform is very convenient for dinghy access and loading/unloading.  The platform also works very well for putting on,taking off skin diving equipment.  When the platform is folded up, the Amel rubber bumper is still the stern most part of the boat.

Derick Gates
SM2K #400 Brava
Currently in Antigua on the hard



Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007
Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,
97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Swim ladder for swim step

karkauai
 

That looks like it would be a great addition, Derick.  I guess it's above the bumper, so still pretty high off the water.
Can you deploy it from in the water?  My insurance company wants me to add some kind of emergency boarding apparatus in case I went overboard without the ladder down.  Without fins on I can't board over the stern.
Do you have any other pics of the rigging for it?  Is it made of Starboard?
Thanks,
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 5, 2016, at 3:38 PM, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

In the Files section under "miscellaneous " there is a .pdf entitled "SM2K #400 stern swim ladder".  It is actually a platform that swings down with a three step folding ladder attached. If there were four steps it would be even better. 


 The platform is very convenient for dinghy access and loading/unloading.  The platform also works very well for putting on,taking off skin diving equipment.  When the platform is folded up, the Amel rubber bumper is still the stern most part of the boat.

Derick Gates
SM2K #400 Brava
Currently in Antigua on the hard


Re: Swim ladder for swim step

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

In the Files section under "miscellaneous " there is a .pdf entitled "SM2K #400 stern swim ladder".  It is actually a platform that swings down with a three step folding ladder attached. If there were four steps it would be even better. 

 The platform is very convenient for dinghy access and loading/unloading.  The platform also works very well for putting on,taking off skin diving equipment.  When the platform is folded up, the Amel rubber bumper is still the stern most part of the boat.

Derick Gates
SM2K #400 Brava
Currently in Antigua on the hard


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Swim ladder for swim step

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Alexandre.  It  looks like it would work.  

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 5, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning Ben,

Here is what the previous owner installed on my vessel.
Personally I like it. It folds away completely and allow me to go down with scuba diving equipment.
http://nikimat.com/swim_ladder.html

Just took the pictures, not the nicest as it is overcast… but you will get the idea.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 7/4/16, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Swim ladder for swim step
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016, 8:34 AM


 









I'm looking to add a swim ladder
to swim step.  Ideally this would b something that is easy
to set up and remove when sailing.    Has anyone addd one?
 If so, can you provide details?
ThanksBen
DriverLa Bella
VitaSM
347Grenada 









#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285 --
#yiv7676248285ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mkp #yiv7676248285hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mkp #yiv7676248285ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mkp .yiv7676248285ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mkp .yiv7676248285ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mkp .yiv7676248285ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7676248285ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7676248285ygrp-lc #yiv7676248285hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7676248285ygrp-lc .yiv7676248285ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285activity span
.yiv7676248285underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7676248285 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7676248285 dd.yiv7676248285last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7676248285 dd.yiv7676248285last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7676248285 dd.yiv7676248285last p
span.yiv7676248285yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv7676248285 div.yiv7676248285attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7676248285 div.yiv7676248285attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv7676248285 div.yiv7676248285file-title a, #yiv7676248285
div.yiv7676248285file-title a:active, #yiv7676248285
div.yiv7676248285file-title a:hover, #yiv7676248285
div.yiv7676248285file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7676248285 div.yiv7676248285photo-title a,
#yiv7676248285 div.yiv7676248285photo-title a:active,
#yiv7676248285 div.yiv7676248285photo-title a:hover,
#yiv7676248285 div.yiv7676248285photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7676248285 div#yiv7676248285ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv7676248285ygrp-msg p a span.yiv7676248285yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv7676248285 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;min-height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv7676248285 input, #yiv7676248285 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv7676248285
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7676248285logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-msg
p#yiv7676248285attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-reco
#yiv7676248285reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-sponsor #yiv7676248285ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-sponsor #yiv7676248285ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-sponsor #yiv7676248285ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv7676248285


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Swim ladder for swim step

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Ben,

Here is what the previous owner installed on my vessel.
Personally I like it. It folds away completely and allow me to go down with scuba diving equipment.
http://nikimat.com/swim_ladder.html

Just took the pictures, not the nicest as it is overcast… but you will get the idea.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 7/4/16, joedoakes66@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Swim ladder for swim step
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016, 8:34 AM


 









I'm looking to add a swim ladder
to swim step.  Ideally this would b something that is easy
to set up and remove when sailing.    Has anyone addd one?
 If so, can you provide details?
ThanksBen
DriverLa Bella
VitaSM
347Grenada 









#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285 --
#yiv7676248285ygrp-mkp {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px
0;padding:0 10px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mkp hr {
border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mkp #yiv7676248285hd {
color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px
0;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mkp #yiv7676248285ads {
margin-bottom:10px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mkp .yiv7676248285ad {
padding:0 0;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mkp .yiv7676248285ad p {
margin:0;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mkp .yiv7676248285ad a {
color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}
#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7676248285ygrp-lc {
font-family:Arial;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7676248285ygrp-lc #yiv7676248285hd {
margin:10px
0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-sponsor
#yiv7676248285ygrp-lc .yiv7676248285ad {
margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285actions {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285activity {
background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285activity span {
font-weight:700;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285activity span:first-child {
text-transform:uppercase;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285activity span a {
color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285activity span span {
color:#ff7900;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285activity span
.yiv7676248285underline {
text-decoration:underline;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285attach {
clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px
0;width:400px;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285attach div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285attach img {
border:none;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285attach label {
display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285attach label a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7676248285 blockquote {
margin:0 0 0 4px;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285bold {
font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285bold a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7676248285 dd.yiv7676248285last p a {
font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7676248285 dd.yiv7676248285last p span {
margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7676248285 dd.yiv7676248285last p
span.yiv7676248285yshortcuts {
margin-right:0;}

#yiv7676248285 div.yiv7676248285attach-table div div a {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7676248285 div.yiv7676248285attach-table {
width:400px;}

#yiv7676248285 div.yiv7676248285file-title a, #yiv7676248285
div.yiv7676248285file-title a:active, #yiv7676248285
div.yiv7676248285file-title a:hover, #yiv7676248285
div.yiv7676248285file-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7676248285 div.yiv7676248285photo-title a,
#yiv7676248285 div.yiv7676248285photo-title a:active,
#yiv7676248285 div.yiv7676248285photo-title a:hover,
#yiv7676248285 div.yiv7676248285photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7676248285 div#yiv7676248285ygrp-mlmsg
#yiv7676248285ygrp-msg p a span.yiv7676248285yshortcuts {
font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285green {
color:#628c2a;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;}

#yiv7676248285 o {
font-size:0;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285photos div {
float:left;width:72px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285photos div div {
border:1px solid
#666666;min-height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285photos div label {
color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285reco-category {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285reco-desc {
font-size:77%;}

#yiv7676248285 .yiv7676248285replbq {
margin:4px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean,
sans-serif;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size:inherit;font:100%;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mlmsg select,
#yiv7676248285 input, #yiv7676248285 textarea {
font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv7676248285
code {
font:115% monospace;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height:1.22em;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7676248285logo {
padding-bottom:10px;}


#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-msg p a {
font-family:Verdana;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-msg
p#yiv7676248285attach-count span {
color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-reco
#yiv7676248285reco-head {
color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-sponsor #yiv7676248285ov
li a {
font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-sponsor #yiv7676248285ov
li {
font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-sponsor #yiv7676248285ov
ul {
margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-text {
font-family:Georgia;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-text p {
margin:0 0 1em 0;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-text tt {
font-size:120%;}

#yiv7676248285 #yiv7676248285ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right:none !important;
}
#yiv7676248285


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

It is true that Patrick is handling the replacement work for my battery explosion issue. I cannot say whether he understands the Amel systems directly, but I do trust his expertise on electrical systems and instruments in general. I do remember discussing the Amel isolated ground philosophy. He is a strong proponent of a common AC/DC ground, which I think is a bit different.

His knowledge of DC distribution systems is quite good, as is his understanding of the instruments. He is going to do a complete systems checkout once the new batteries are in and running. I will try to work with him as much as possible.
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:39 AM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Jamie, I have spoke with Patrick at Marine Electric Systems about replacing  damaged equipment resulting from lightning . From what he said ,I believe he is doing the work on your boat . Could you tell me if you feel he has a good understanding of the Amel electrical system .

Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2016 9:44 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

 
Thanks for the advice. I am not sure what others have but I have the Mastervolt 24V alternator and it has an external smart regulator. I need to read up on it, but presumably it could handle any type of AGM batteries, since that is what I had with the Intimidators. I know my Morningstar MPPT solar regulator is set for AGM. The boat came with the original Dolphin 100A and a replacement Charles 45A, which is what I use when I am plugged in. Again, I know it is set to AGM. I am not sure about the Dolphin, since I was rarely on generator power and even then the Charles seems to do the trick.

I am going to discuss all with my electrician after my insurance company approves the repairs. My insurance wants a thorough test of the entire electrical system, and my electrician is the one who added the fuse systems that protect all the feeders from the battery compartment - there are I think 10 fuses on the wall just downstream of the main cutoff switches. I do not have a fuse in the 12V starter/alternator feeder to the engine. By the way, one of the 24V fuses blew when the explosion happened. It may have been a fire if I did not have that fuse installed - who knows. Thank goodness there was no fire.

Still no final statement from the surveyor the insurance company hired as to what caused the explosion.

Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044




On Monday, July 4, 2016 5:50 AM, "svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Agree with Bill's comments.  In our case, we had to re-program both Mastervolt chargers for AGM charging and add external Mastervolt regulation to the factory Leece-Neville alternator, also properly programmed for AGM charging.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350
At anchor, Camoglie (Génova)