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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM re-rigging plus mast painting

antonio scipioni
 

I have been in Rome last winter to paint my Mast and change The rig. That where really good, and much more cheep. IF needs you can call there and ask for Paolo. Nautilus Marina +39 066581221
Br
Antonio
SN108 Vagabundo 
Roma

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 02/lug/2016, alle ore 15:35, Stefano Biffi cptbiffi@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

Hallo everybody, my Lady is ready to be re-rigged, I'm in contact in France with Russo yachting. They offer me the full painting of the masts and bomas done as new: sanding priming and 3 hands painting for around, not yet finalized, 26K and 6 weeks of work.
Re-rigging with BSI terminals for around 4000, still waiting a new offer with ACMO as I requested.
I also gave a call in Malta to a rigger who already work for Bill, waiting for his offer.
Now my question is :anybody knows a place in Italy, will be closer for me, where You suggest to ask a price forecast?
Thanks for you time and ciao

Stefano
N'EVEREST SM185
now Cagliari Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Swim ladder for swim step

Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Ben,

We have one very simple but a bit of a compromise.. Like most things...

Jean-Pierre Germain 
Eleuthera SM007



On 4 Jul 2016, at 15:34, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I'm looking to add a swim ladder to swim step.  Ideally this would b something that is easy to set up and remove when sailing.    Has anyone addd one?  If so, can you provide details?


Thanks

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Grenada 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

ms42phantom54@...
 

Jean-Pierre, you are correct about the cost, and if it were me alone my eyes would water indeed. Not sure what my insurance adjuster is going to say when I talk to her on Tuesday, but my insurance should be covering at least a part of the battery replacement. When you look at the total repair costs for the battery explosion, I am responsible for the deductible. What I am not sure about yet is what batteries they will authorize and if they will prorate the coverage, since mine were a bit more than 4 years old.

My only hope is to put in the best I can, so I do not have a repeat.
Thanks,

Jamie


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

Thanks for the advice. I am not sure what others have but I have the Mastervolt 24V alternator and it has an external smart regulator. I need to read up on it, but presumably it could handle any type of AGM batteries, since that is what I had with the Intimidators. I know my Morningstar MPPT solar regulator is set for AGM. The boat came with the original Dolphin 100A and a replacement Charles 45A, which is what I use when I am plugged in. Again, I know it is set to AGM. I am not sure about the Dolphin, since I was rarely on generator power and even then the Charles seems to do the trick.

I am going to discuss all with my electrician after my insurance company approves the repairs. My insurance wants a thorough test of the entire electrical system, and my electrician is the one who added the fuse systems that protect all the feeders from the battery compartment - there are I think 10 fuses on the wall just downstream of the main cutoff switches. I do not have a fuse in the 12V starter/alternator feeder to the engine. By the way, one of the 24V fuses blew when the explosion happened. It may have been a fire if I did not have that fuse installed - who knows. Thank goodness there was no fire.

Still no final statement from the surveyor the insurance company hired as to what caused the explosion.

Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044




On Monday, July 4, 2016 5:50 AM, "svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Agree with Bill's comments.  In our case, we had to re-program both Mastervolt chargers for AGM charging and add external Mastervolt regulation to the factory Leece-Neville alternator, also properly programmed for AGM charging.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350
At anchor, Camoglie (Génova)



Swim ladder for swim step

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I'm looking to add a swim ladder to swim step.  Ideally this would b something that is easy to set up and remove when sailing.    Has anyone addd one?  If so, can you provide details?


Thanks

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Grenada 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Blue Sea Battery Fuses

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Gary,

 

He is a link to our set up on Cream Puff. It is one of the scenarios you are considering: http://www.creampuff.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Batteries-Located-Under-Midships-Bunk.jpg

 

The battery dimensions in inches are:

Length: 12.81

Width:  6.56

Height: 9.38

 

We have no problem closing the lid with the Blue Sea fuses in place. I am no expert on these matters. I cannot talk to the advantages or disadvantage of this arrangement. The previous owner arranged this set up. He was very intelligent on electrical stuff. When we purchased, the surveyor researched and approved it. We have kept the set up the same based on that.

 

Hope this helps a little.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:33 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Blue Sea Battery Fuses

 

 

Hi All, 

 

I am considering placing Blue Sea battery fuses on my batteries.  I have a couple of questions:

1.  Does it make sense to place one on each pair of batteries (i.e. 4 fuses) or does it make sense to place a fuse on each battery (in my case 8 fuses and of course more expense).

2.  Dimensionally will these fuses clear the battery compartment cover?  I have Trojan SCS 225 batteries that have dual studs one of which is taller than the other. 

3.  Would it also make sense to place a fuse on the master stud (i.e. the main connection point that is on the mid-starboard wall of the battery compartment?

Looking for thoughts and/or experience/alternative manufacturers etc. 

 

Sincerely, 

 

Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona    Amel SM #335


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Blue Sea Battery Fuses

rossirossix4
 

In the pre-purchase survey for my Santorin 13 years ago the surveyor noted that ABYC required a fuse for the house batteries.  Also, a disconnect for the starter battery was also required.  My insurance company concurred.  ABYC has stardards for types and location of over current protection and premissible distances..  The reason for the engine starter circuit disconnect is that if the starter sticks and keeps cranking, overcurrent and a fire may occur.  SMs do have starter disconnects because our shut-offs cut current from both the house and starting batteries.  Note BTW that the Santorin is 12V with higher amps to its bow thruster-I believe I had a 250 amp fuse and never blew it.  My surveyor made another good suggestion.  In case you blow a fuse and then  your only spare (and are able to actually find the condition that caused it) make the cable to the fuse long enough so  that it can be bolted together for emergency use.  Here are a couple of sites that might be helpful in "doing it right"  http://assets.bluesea.com/files/resources/reference/2010_ABYCexcerpts.pdf   and Battery Bank Fusing by Compass Marine How To

2 years ago we left our berth in Queensway Quay Marina for a week long trip to Morocco and Ceuta.  Upon returning we learned that the night before, the 65' powerboat that was fender to fender to us burnt up and sunk (rather was sunk by tugs to put the fire out)...electrical fire!  You got me thinking about a fuse!  Major fire in Queensway Quay, luxury yacht burnt


 Bob, KAIMI SM 429


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Agree with Bill's comments.  In our case, we had to re-program both Mastervolt chargers for AGM charging and add external Mastervolt regulation to the factory Leece-Neville alternator, also properly programmed for AGM charging.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350
At anchor, Camoglie (Génova)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Barry,

I had flexi solar on last boat. Short lived. Would not recommend...

I know a 54 owner who installed 4 X 150 through Emek. He may not be a member here but I can perhaps reach his pers email. Will report back. 

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM007


On 4 Jul 2016, at 02:17, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jamie,
I read how yours exploded.
When I bought the boat the surveyor Olivier from La Rochelle told me that I needed to change 2 batteries. 
At first I swapped them around and continued to charge them from the dock. I then replaced 2 and continued to charge them. That's when I smelt the gas coming off. i opened the cover and it was like a sauna inside and some of the batteries where too hot to touch. Putting 2 new ones with the old ones upset the battery bank.  I think if I was not on the boat they would have exploded. I caught them in time.
I have been going over everything on the boat and traveling to and from Marseille to UK for the past year, once a month. A good road trip, I used to do Miami to NY visiting kids a few years ago.
On line I found MegaBatteries in UK, they are also in France. I bought them and collected in UK. As I was buying so many I got them for 70 pounds each, they included the stud attachments for free, this enabled me to connect them without buying any adapters.
I wanted to get deep cycle gel batteries and was looking for these when Olivier said to not change anything as the boat was designed as it was and any changes would affect something else on the boat like the chargers. So, I went for the regular and cheapest lead acid and I think I got 115AMh not 105Amh. The size was the same. 
I know this boat very well now and can understand the design concept. I will keep everything as original as possible.
When I was changing the batteries I shorted the Mastervolt 500 inverter, no fuses on the DC cables from original. I was able to fit a larger Mastervolt 2500 inverter, now Penny can use her hair dryer. Upgraded the DC cables for this and fused both pos and neg dc cables. I am thinking of also fusing all the batteries both pos and neg after reading about your explosion.

I have just left Marseille and now giving the battery bank it's first test, so far running the batteries down to about 60% each day and then charging with the generator through the 100 amp charger for 3 hours gets them back to 90%. This is just the first few days so I will be experimenting with the generator run time. 
I want to replace my solar panels, they are old and not doing much, the previous owner fitted them in 2008 for 1,500 euros, I will not spend that much on my upgrade. I built a full bimini cover doing away with the spray hood/dodger. I can fit 4 x 100w flexi solar panels on this and I have an arch where I can put another 2 larger 250w units. I will have 3 sets through 3 controllers. At anchor, midday in full sun - 700w at 24v.
I will soon post the full design and how I made the bimini, took a bit of tweaking .
Best Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II'
Amel 54   #17
Sailing French Med.


On Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:57 PM, "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Thanks for the tip on that - good point. $1,200 for 13 batteries seems really cheap. Even online, Lifelines would be almost $4,000. What brand did you go with?
When you say nearly explode, what happened?
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Sunday, July 3, 2016 2:09 PM, "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Hi Jamie,
I just had a similar decision to make. I was advised by Olivier to stay with the factory original and just put the lead acid batteries in.
(He said if one goes bad you can replace it anywhere in the World that you might be sailing.)
I did that and am prepared to change them in about 3 years. Total price for 13 x 105 amp was about 800 Pounds Sterling. US$1,200.
Shortly after buying May 3015 I nearly had the old ones explode. 
Best Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sailing French Med.

On Jul 3, 2016, at 7:56 PM, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Jamie,

A mate is CEO of a vlarge company and he sponsors an Imoca 60. He says the cost is eye watering. 

Perhaps your eyes don't water as easy as mine?

GL and hope you escape your string of bad luck soon

Jean-Pierre Germain 
Eleuthera SM007



On 4 Jul 2016, at 01:42, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

You mean with the Firefly? You might be right. I would assume the Lifelines would be OK though? As you can guess, I do not need any more issues with my batteries.
I am really intrigued by the carbon batteries, but I do not want to be the guinea pig here.
Thanks
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Sunday, July 3, 2016 4:06 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Jamie,

Your chargers may not be compatible, especially the alternator on your engine. Be careful about over-thinking this. 

CW Bill Rouse, Admiral (Hon) Texas Navy
Yacht BeBe
+1832-380-4970 Global VoiceMail

On Jul 3, 2016, at 13:56, "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Blue Sea Battery Fuses

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Gary,

The previous owner of my boat installed four 125 Amp Blue Sea fuses on the positive posts of each of the 24 volt battery pairs, so theoretically I can draw 500 amps without blowing a fuse.  In the real world it is highly unlikely that the batteries would load exactly equally at such high draws, so the first fuse failure would come at a lower amp draw than that. 

You could put a fuse on each of the eight positive terminals and get the same result, but I don’t see an advantage to doing so.

On the engine starting battery there is a 300 Amp fuse.  I believe this is the largest terminal mounted fuse that Blue Sea sells.

This system works.  It has never blown, even under heavy normal use, and it gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling knowing all my wires are protected in case of a catastrophic short circuit anywhere on the boat.

My batteries are Lifelines, and the clearance works, not sure if the dimensions are the same as yours or not, but drawings are available on the Lifeline website for their Group 31 batteries.

You COULD put a fuse on the main stud in the battery compartment--if you could find a suitable 500 amp fuse.  

There is something else to look at when picking a fuse for that central location.  You need to be sure it will interrupt a current equal to the full short circuit capacity of the entire battery bank.  In a fully charged Amel battery bank that would be somewhere over 4000 Amp.  Fuses with such high DC current interrupt capacity can be rather specialized--and expensive pieces.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

On Jul 3, 2016, at 18:33, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:


Hi All, 


I am considering placing Blue Sea battery fuses on my batteries.  I have a couple of questions:

1.  Does it make sense to place one on each pair of batteries (i.e. 4 fuses) or does it make sense to place a fuse on each battery (in my case 8 fuses and of course more expense).

2.  Dimensionally will these fuses clear the battery compartment cover?  I have Trojan SCS 225 batteries that have dual studs one of which is taller than the other. 

3.  Would it also make sense to place a fuse on the master stud (i.e. the main connection point that is on the mid-starboard wall of the battery compartment?

Looking for thoughts and/or experience/alternative manufacturers etc. 


Sincerely, 


Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona    Amel SM #335




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

In general it is a very, very bad idea to replace one (or two) batteries out of a large bank. With one new battery, charging and discharging become unbalanced, and everything can go bad in a hurry. You can use a bank equalizer, but that adds another level of complexity.

If your chargers can be programed with charge voltages, the firefly’s want an absorption voltage of 28.8 volts, and a float of 26.4 volts. Most modern lines chargers and “smart” alternator controllers can be programmed to do that without a problem.

Where we have problems with something other than flooded lead acid batteries is with the “dumb” alternator on the main engine. They run at 27 volts. That would be fine for absorption phase, if a bit slow, but for long term float those batteries want 26.4 Volts or less. If you run your engine a lot, you will slowly cook them, especially at higher temperatures.

The Firefly technology has a lot of promise, and their performance characteristics are well suited to the way most of use use our boats. But they are not a drop in replacement.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

On Jul 3, 2016, at 15:57, James Wendell ms42phantom54@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thanks for the tip on that - good point. $1,200 for 13 batteries seems really cheap. Even online, Lifelines would be almost $4,000. What brand did you go with?When you say nearly explode, what happened? s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044

On Sunday, July 3, 2016 2:09 PM, "Barry Connor connor_barry@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi Jamie,I just had a similar decision to make. I was advised by Olivier to stay with the factory original and just put the lead acid batteries in.(He said if one goes bad you can replace it anywhere in the World that you might be sailing.)I did that and am prepared to change them in about 3 years. Total price for 13 x 105 amp was about 800 Pounds Sterling. US$1,200.Shortly after buying May 3015 I nearly had the old ones explode. Best Regards
Barry and Penny Connor"Lady Penelope II"Amel 54. #17Sailing French Med.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 3, 2016, at 7:56 PM, James Wendell ms42phantom54@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?Thanks,Jamie s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

Barry Connor
 

Hi Jamie,
I read how yours exploded.
When I bought the boat the surveyor Olivier from La Rochelle told me that I needed to change 2 batteries. 
At first I swapped them around and continued to charge them from the dock. I then replaced 2 and continued to charge them. That's when I smelt the gas coming off. i opened the cover and it was like a sauna inside and some of the batteries where too hot to touch. Putting 2 new ones with the old ones upset the battery bank.  I think if I was not on the boat they would have exploded. I caught them in time.
I have been going over everything on the boat and traveling to and from Marseille to UK for the past year, once a month. A good road trip, I used to do Miami to NY visiting kids a few years ago.
On line I found MegaBatteries in UK, they are also in France. I bought them and collected in UK. As I was buying so many I got them for 70 pounds each, they included the stud attachments for free, this enabled me to connect them without buying any adapters.
I wanted to get deep cycle gel batteries and was looking for these when Olivier said to not change anything as the boat was designed as it was and any changes would affect something else on the boat like the chargers. So, I went for the regular and cheapest lead acid and I think I got 115AMh not 105Amh. The size was the same. 
I know this boat very well now and can understand the design concept. I will keep everything as original as possible.
When I was changing the batteries I shorted the Mastervolt 500 inverter, no fuses on the DC cables from original. I was able to fit a larger Mastervolt 2500 inverter, now Penny can use her hair dryer. Upgraded the DC cables for this and fused both pos and neg dc cables. I am thinking of also fusing all the batteries both pos and neg after reading about your explosion.

I have just left Marseille and now giving the battery bank it's first test, so far running the batteries down to about 60% each day and then charging with the generator through the 100 amp charger for 3 hours gets them back to 90%. This is just the first few days so I will be experimenting with the generator run time. 
I want to replace my solar panels, they are old and not doing much, the previous owner fitted them in 2008 for 1,500 euros, I will not spend that much on my upgrade. I built a full bimini cover doing away with the spray hood/dodger. I can fit 4 x 100w flexi solar panels on this and I have an arch where I can put another 2 larger 250w units. I will have 3 sets through 3 controllers. At anchor, midday in full sun - 700w at 24v.
I will soon post the full design and how I made the bimini, took a bit of tweaking .
Best Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II'
Amel 54   #17
Sailing French Med.


On Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:57 PM, "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Thanks for the tip on that - good point. $1,200 for 13 batteries seems really cheap. Even online, Lifelines would be almost $4,000. What brand did you go with?
When you say nearly explode, what happened?
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Sunday, July 3, 2016 2:09 PM, "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi Jamie,
I just had a similar decision to make. I was advised by Olivier to stay with the factory original and just put the lead acid batteries in.
(He said if one goes bad you can replace it anywhere in the World that you might be sailing.)
I did that and am prepared to change them in about 3 years. Total price for 13 x 105 amp was about 800 Pounds Sterling. US$1,200.
Shortly after buying May 3015 I nearly had the old ones explode. 
Best Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sailing French Med.

On Jul 3, 2016, at 7:56 PM, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

You mean with the Firefly? You might be right. I would assume the Lifelines would be OK though? As you can guess, I do not need any more issues with my batteries.
I am really intrigued by the carbon batteries, but I do not want to be the guinea pig here.
Thanks
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Sunday, July 3, 2016 4:06 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Jamie,

Your chargers may not be compatible, especially the alternator on your engine. Be careful about over-thinking this. 

CW Bill Rouse, Admiral (Hon) Texas Navy
Yacht BeBe
+1832-380-4970 Global VoiceMail

On Jul 3, 2016, at 13:56, "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044



Blue Sea Battery Fuses

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi All, 


I am considering placing Blue Sea battery fuses on my batteries.  I have a couple of questions:

1.  Does it make sense to place one on each pair of batteries (i.e. 4 fuses) or does it make sense to place a fuse on each battery (in my case 8 fuses and of course more expense).

2.  Dimensionally will these fuses clear the battery compartment cover?  I have Trojan SCS 225 batteries that have dual studs one of which is taller than the other. 

3.  Would it also make sense to place a fuse on the master stud (i.e. the main connection point that is on the mid-starboard wall of the battery compartment?

Looking for thoughts and/or experience/alternative manufacturers etc. 


Sincerely, 


Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona    Amel SM #335


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jamie,

Your chargers may not be compatible, especially the alternator on your engine. Be careful about over-thinking this. 

CW Bill Rouse, Admiral (Hon) Texas Navy
Yacht BeBe
+1832-380-4970 Global VoiceMail

On Jul 3, 2016, at 13:56, "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

Thanks for the tip on that - good point. $1,200 for 13 batteries seems really cheap. Even online, Lifelines would be almost $4,000. What brand did you go with?
When you say nearly explode, what happened?
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Sunday, July 3, 2016 2:09 PM, "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi Jamie,
I just had a similar decision to make. I was advised by Olivier to stay with the factory original and just put the lead acid batteries in.
(He said if one goes bad you can replace it anywhere in the World that you might be sailing.)
I did that and am prepared to change them in about 3 years. Total price for 13 x 105 amp was about 800 Pounds Sterling. US$1,200.
Shortly after buying May 3015 I nearly had the old ones explode. 
Best Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sailing French Med.

On Jul 3, 2016, at 7:56 PM, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement

Barry Connor
 

Hi Jamie,
I just had a similar decision to make. I was advised by Olivier to stay with the factory original and just put the lead acid batteries in.
(He said if one goes bad you can replace it anywhere in the World that you might be sailing.)
I did that and am prepared to change them in about 3 years. Total price for 13 x 105 amp was about 800 Pounds Sterling. US$1,200.
Shortly after buying May 3015 I nearly had the old ones explode. 
Best Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sailing French Med.

On Jul 3, 2016, at 7:56 PM, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


House Battery Replacement

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

After I lost all my existing house batteries (Intimidators) in an explosion, I am working on getting new batteries installed. I was thinking of possibly getting the Firefly Carbon AGM batteries instead of standard Lifeline AGMs. I have read Nigel Calder's reports and all seems positive.
Has anyone used them or heard anything good or bad?
Thanks,
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Bill,

 

Thanks for the info. I plan to talk with eMarine once the arch is on and I have an idea of the space I can use. They come highly recommended by several people. I did not know about the warranty and will ask. But, I have found if something breaks in the middle of nowhere (which is where it is bound to break) the warranty is useless anyway. Usually the shipping to return the item to the manufacturer for diagnosis and/or repair is often cost prohibitive verses just buying a replacement item.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

 

 

LG makes a panel that has similar efficiency specifications, and price as the Panasonic N330, slightly smaller in physical size, and hence output.  If you squeezed for space it might be an option.

 

https://www.emarineinc.com/LG-315W-Solar-Panel-Fixed-Frame

 

Both LG and Panasonic (and many others!) specifically exclude marine installations from their warranty coverage.  It would be worth a conversation with the retail dealer about that, especially if they are selling specifically to the marine market.  A dealer warranty wouldn’t be as reliable as one from the manufacturer, but it might be better than nothing if you have a problem.

 

Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

Highlands, NJ

 

On Jul 2, 2016, at 12:42, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Eamonn,

 

Thank you for this post contribution. I am in the process of adding an arch and solar panals. I have been researching the panels for about 30 days and have found it to be most confusing because of the lack of standardized testing and zealous claims by manufactures. The Panasonic N330’s were not on my radar since they are still very new in the USA with limited distribution. However, they are now my first choice. 

 

I have a couple of specific questions: Were the two panels connected together in parallel at the arch? What gauge wire did you use for the run from the arch to the battery bank?  I assume the 16A breaker was installed on the positive cable between the panel and the MPPT? And, the 32A breaker was installed on the positive cable between the MPPT and the battery shunt? Where did you install the breaker box – The hanging locker seems a little hard to get to (the hidden compartment that I never knew was there)? Did you use the same style of breaker as used on the rest of the Amel or did you design a box and something else?

 

Again, thank you again for the information and sharing. 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:22 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

 

  

Hi

Solar panels: I did a lot of research, including in this forum to find out how much power is required (about 140Ah a day).  So I opted for the most powerful panels with the smallest footprint, that being the Panasonic N330.  Two of these deliver 660W in theory.  I got up to 590W peak in the first month.  They are roughly 3m2 for 2, about 2.1m wide when side by side, and 1.59m long.  Most other brands are closer to 4m2 for the same power with monocrystalline cells.  Installed flat on an arch over the transom.  I also took advantage to install LED lights with an outside switch over the transom.

The Voc is 69.7 and Isc 6.07.  Allowing for 25% more in extreme conditons (eg very cold and sunny), I opted for the Morning Star Tristar MPPT 60 controller.  It's an overkill, but the MPPT 30 and 45 were out of stock and this was only slightly more expensive with better features (eg Ethernet connection to browse performance history).  Each of the 2 panels has 4 zones, so if any zone is in shadow then the other 3 continue to work at full power.

By the way, a great place to locate the MPPT is the hanging space just before the battery bank.  Remove the false cover to reveal a shelf.  The outer tube is a direct connection from the lazerette to the chart table, so I broke into it for the wiring.  I installed 2 breakers, 16A from the panels and 32A from the batteries. If battery circuit breaker is triggered then the solar panel is also triggered, to avoid damaging the MPPT.

Together with new AGM batteries I have a power transformation.  I used the Generator just for 1h in 5 weeks, thus saving diesel.  I reduced gas cooking by running an induction plate and microwave off the invertor.  I added a Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard, which is also charged indirectly form the solar panels, and saving petrol costs.  On sunny days the batteries were always 99%+ charged after about 11am, even when running autopilot, making tea, etc.

Yes I opted for the more expensive ACMO rigging, including all new turnbuckels etc.  It was rigged in France by Gremco.  I had also contacted Amel to do it, but they no longer use ACMO on SMs. Although Amels quote was less, I thought it better to go with ACMO.  However, within a week I noticed rust appearing on the 12mm ACMO swages.  The others were OK.  I hope that between Gremco and ACMO that they will sort that out.

Regards
Eamonn

#151 SM Travel Bug, Cleopatra Marina