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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gaz electronic shut off

Barry Connor
 

Hi Bill and Steve,
Thank's for that I will invest in one of those laser thermometers. The replaced unit did get too hot to touch. This new replacement is now not left on, 
I did buy the original 24v replacement. In the meantime I will continue to turn on at the bottle and switch and not leave on after use.
You have for now put my mind at rest. We have now started sailing, just left Marseille after spending 12 months checking and fixing things after buying last May 2015.

Best Regards
Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54   #17
Sailing French Med.


On Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:42 AM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
All gas solenoids get very hot when they have been on for a while. After a few minutes of being on, you cant touch it. If I remember correctly, it does not matter which way the wires are connected for a solenoid.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Grenada

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 6:09 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
I replaced my gas valve and solonoid as the original was getting very hot when turned on.
The new replacement seems to also get hot.
Can anyone advise regarding this?
Have I mixed the 24v wires?

Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II'
Amel 54    #17
Sailing French Med
 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gaz electronic shut off

Stephen Davis
 

All gas solenoids get very hot when they have been on for a while. After a few minutes of being on, you cant touch it. If I remember correctly, it does not matter which way the wires are connected for a solenoid.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Grenada

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 6:09 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I replaced my gas valve and solonoid as the original was getting very hot when turned on.
The new replacement seems to also get hot.
Can anyone advise regarding this?
Have I mixed the 24v wires?

Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II'
Amel 54    #17
Sailing French Med
 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gaz electronic shut off

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Barry,

Please allow me to help, somewhat.

The electromagnet in the valve will work with the wires reversed. When electromagnetic solenoids are engaged (energized), they will get hot. The cooking gas solenoid is a "normally closed" 24VDC solenoid valve.

A 12VDC valve is the most common valve available and if you installed a 12VDC rather than a 24VDC valve the heat you notice is the electromagnet slowly burning up.

"Hot" is a relative term. How hot is hot?

Questions like yours are better answered with more information. If I were you, I would buy a less than $50 hand-held laser thermometer. You will have more uses for it than I can list. Turn on the valve for 5 minutes and measure the temperature. Then come back here and post your question with the additional information. Either I or someone else will take our laser thermometer, check our valve and get back with a comparison.

I hope that you continue to enjoy your 54.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jul 2, 2016 6:09 AM, "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I replaced my gas valve and solonoid as the original was getting very hot when turned on.
The new replacement seems to also get hot.
Can anyone advise regarding this?
Have I mixed the 24v wires?

Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II'
Amel 54    #17
Sailing French Med
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Boom track bolts

karkauai
 

Hi again Eamonn,
Did you ever get the correct sizes and threads for the boom track aluminum bolts?
If not, I will take them out and try to get correct sizes for you.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:37 PM, eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi

when I had the standing rigging replaced in April, which involved removing the 2 masts, I also requested that the masts and booms be treated and painted. My problem is that when they reinserted the outhaul tracks on the two booms they used new stainless steel bolts, since they lost/discarded the original aluminium bolts.  I am far away from the boat currently.  Could someone please tell me the specification of these bolts, or let me know where I can buy them?  Also how many are required?  About 32 I think?


Many Thanks

Eamonn Washington


SM #151 Travel Bug, Cleopatra Marina, Greece


Amel solar panels

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Eamonn,     Wandering around Cleopatra we spotted Travel Bug, looking well !


Are you able to tell me where you had her rerigged ? Did you use ACMO rigging ? Were you happy with the riggers ?


Also, can you tell me the length and width of your solar panels and their output ?


Hope you can source your bolts OK.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Cleopatra


Re: Gaz electronic shut off

Barry Connor
 

I replaced my gas valve and solonoid as the original was getting very hot when turned on.
The new replacement seems to also get hot.
Can anyone advise regarding this?
Have I mixed the 24v wires?

Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II'
Amel 54    #17
Sailing French Med
 


Re: Solar panels for SM

Barry Connor
 

Hello Paul,
Hope that you or another member can also give me some extra advise and helpI am looking firstly at putting 2 solar panels on our rear arch.
Can you tell me how your 450w is set up? I have seen 250w 24v panels, they are about 1600 x 920 in size.
Our generator works fine pumping in high amps but I think that some solar panels would act as a good daily top up.I have just completed my full Bimini cover and I allowed for 2 flexible 100w 12v panels on each side, wired together for 24v and run through 2 controllers, the sun hopefully will be shining on one side! I would fit these after doing the solar panels on the rear arch. I would then  have 3 controllers in total. This would give me - 500w 24v from the arch, each side of bimini - 2 x 100w 12v linked giving - 2 x 100w 24v from the bimini. If I am correct potentially a total of 700w through 3 controllersIs this too much? 
I have included 2 photos of the Bimini which I have just finished using 1" tube, new 2 tone sunbrella (black on top and beige underneath) and a sailright machine. The bimini has a slight arch to assist with water run off and square corners for max coverage, 2 windows for viewing the mast, headroom is 6ft+.  As I am new at posting and attaching photos I will hopefully soon post a full breakdown of this project.
For now I want to install solar. Any advise  in regards to the best solar panels and controllers would be appreciated.
Best RegardsBarry and Penny Connor"Lady Penelope II"Amel 54   #17Sailing French Med Coast.


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panels for SM

Paul Osterberg
 

Hanspeter
It looks as you have very little faith in my knowledge about electricity, and you are probably right Physics and Electricity etc, was not a very strong point for me during my studies, but maybe I got it right this time anyway. 

Now at 09:45 my Emek solapanels give me + 8 A, and when the sun are a little bit higher we rather often get + 12 A and not unusually 14 A for a while.
My Victron MPPT Control gives me more data than I need, but it gives peek watt for the day, and and June they where often above 320 w with and average peek reading of 359 W. It also give total stored kwh for the day which for June was on average 2.05 kwh, given that the Victron measures correctly.
kwh is often the units you are billed at from the electricity company, in Sweden you are billed for how many kwh you consume/month, but the price could be set daily, then they calculate how many kwh/day you consume. In my case the Victron calculate how many kwh going into the battery/day.
Watt is calculated by the formula P=UxI so say 25 volt at average 8.3 A, gives P=207w, if we have this average conditions for 10 h, we get 2,07 Kwh. What's the problem ?
We run 2 fridges and one freezer, all lamps are led, usually my computer and instruments are on 24h, in the morning our batteries are around 90% according to the Victron BMV 700, and well before the sun goes down our Victron reeds 100%, this is when we are at anchor. Obvious the solar panels put in substantial amount of Energy into my batteries

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster shaft removal

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ian,

Thanks for letting us know that it worked out. I am especially glad that nothing was broken in the process.

It amazes me that a few owners like the previous owner of your boat let things like this go until they become very serious problems, usually solved by them by selling the boat to someone else. And, this sort of thing is almost never found by a surveyor. There is only one surveyor in the world who would spot this problem in a pre-purchase survey and that is Olivier Beaute gmail.com>. 

Bill
BeBe 387
Trinidad 



On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Glad to hear it all worked out. 

Steve

On Jul 1, 2016, at 17:23, francesringley@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Steve, Bill, Mark and James (did I miss anyone? !).

Last night we doused the underside of the collar and bolt holes with PB Blaster and WD40. This morning the marina machine shop fixed the the tool ($45). So we used the tools and occasional rubber hammer banging and pulling from below. Took about 2 hours this morning in addition to 5 hours yesterday. Then it popped our . Fortunately no water was in the oil. We cleaned and sanded the top of the shaft and the inside of the collar. Then put tons of grease on both. It's back in and between the travelift and the dock, it had quite a workout. The river was running swiftly.

Thanks once again for all your sage advice. Needless to say, I never want to go through that again. Service every 2 years on my watch.

Also thanks Steve fir the recommendation of St. Augustine Marine Center. They were great.

Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM153



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Kent, they are in the same place on 387, BeBe. 

CW Bill Rouse, Admiral (Hon) Texas Navy
Yacht BeBe
+1832-380-4970 Global VoiceMail

On Jul 1, 2016, at 15:42, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mine are on the port side under the berth attached to the aft side of the chain locker's watertight bulkhead.  There is a small panel that separates them from the air conditioner.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 1, 2016, at 12:56 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I looked and I think mine are at the same place...
I did not follow the wire (short on time because of work), but unless they are other solenoids, mine are there.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Fri, 7/1/16, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: Fwd: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 11:39 AM


 









Yes
Andrew, you have the bow-thruster located in a watertight
compartment, not allowing a watertight duct for the cables,
but I think on Kent's (and most probably on all the SMs
that don't have a watertight bow-thruster compartment)
the solenoids are below the berth.Kent
will tell us what he finds...
Olivier.


On Friday, July 1,
2016 6:09 PM, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@...
[amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



 













Not on our SM - they are in the bow thruster
compartment high up on the port side bolted to the side
wall.



Andrew
SM
472





Begin forwarded message:





From: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>

Date: 1 July 2016 at 17:57:29 CEST

To: "amelyachtowners@..."
<amelyachtowners@...>

Cc: Dr Andrew Lamb <Andrew.Lamb@...>

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster
Motor Solenoid Location

Reply-To: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>








In an
SM, the bow-thruster solenoid switches are located at the
front of the portside berth, under the berth board, behind a
protection piece of plywood.



Olivier








On Friday, July
1, 2016 1:57 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:








 




Kent,



I think I know where it is, but I can't get there
right now to verify it...Andrew, would you explain the
location.



Bill
BeBe 387


On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at
11:45 AM, Kent Robertson

karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



 




Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks 
Kent
SM243
Kristy







On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse'

yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:




 



Andrew,



I know of one other owner who had the same problem with
their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship
the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some
unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000
and 4,000 Euros!



When you have a chance please share your information,
because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it
may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.



It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause
might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not
considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would
cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now
understand how it could. I
do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I
can't get to mine right now and will look later. I
suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will
search.



Regarding your batteries, the y can be checked for
internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know
that most battery suppliers will provide this service.




Thanks,



Bill BeBe 387
Trinidad


On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at
8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb

andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



 





Hi
 
So I managed to find a local motor
engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in
repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind
generators, etc) they have completely
rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the
commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly
advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow
thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the
problem. Does anyone know the
specifications of the main bow thruster motor
relay?
 
Andrew
 
Ronpische
SM 472
Canet en
Roussillon



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Posted by: Kent Robertson <karkauai@...>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster shaft removal

Stephen Davis
 

Glad to hear it all worked out. 

Steve

On Jul 1, 2016, at 17:23, francesringley@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Steve, Bill, Mark and James (did I miss anyone? !).

Last night we doused the underside of the collar and bolt holes with PB Blaster and WD40. This morning the marina machine shop fixed the the tool ($45). So we used the tools and occasional rubber hammer banging and pulling from below. Took about 2 hours this morning in addition to 5 hours yesterday. Then it popped our . Fortunately no water was in the oil. We cleaned and sanded the top of the shaft and the inside of the collar. Then put tons of grease on both. It's back in and between the travelift and the dock, it had quite a workout. The river was running swiftly.

Thanks once again for all your sage advice. Needless to say, I never want to go through that again. Service every 2 years on my watch.

Also thanks Steve fir the recommendation of St. Augustine Marine Center. They were great.

Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM153


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head-Holding tank ball valve replacement

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks for sharing Bill !!!
Excellent work with the pictures!!!

Alexandre



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On Fri, 7/1/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head-Holding tank ball valve replacement
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 2:13 PM


 









I just replaced the aft head
ball-valve for the holding tank drain.
The process is documented
here:https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1980087538/lightbox/956971003?orderBy=ordinal&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/956971003

Total
job 4 hours. Be sure that you have a wet-vacuum cleaner
for this job.
Best,
BillBeBe
387Trinidad










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Re: Bow thruster shaft removal

francesringley@...
 

Thanks Steve, Bill, Mark and James (did I miss anyone? !).

Last night we doused the underside of the collar and bolt holes with PB Blaster and WD40. This morning the marina machine shop fixed the the tool ($45). So we used the tools and occasional rubber hammer banging and pulling from below. Took about 2 hours this morning in addition to 5 hours yesterday. Then it popped our . Fortunately no water was in the oil. We cleaned and sanded the top of the shaft and the inside of the collar. Then put tons of grease on both. It's back in and between the travelift and the dock, it had quite a workout. The river was running swiftly.

Thanks once again for all your sage advice. Needless to say, I never want to go through that again. Service every 2 years on my watch.

Also thanks Steve fir the recommendation of St. Augustine Marine Center. They were great.

Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM153


Steering Cables

Gary Wells
 

Hey :). Looking for some input on what might be a smaller job but I want to see if it's been explored before.
At the helm I felt a good sized 'click' in the wheel when making a large steering change. It can be heard when the autohelm is working hard as well. When looking at the steering mechanism (I believe it's a rack and pinion setup) I could see the forward-most cable moving an eight to quarter inch in-and-out of the long square tube. When jiggling said cable it could be forced to do the same thing and I came up with a couple of very fine metal (magnetic) strands I presume to be threads from the stop block.
Tightening the cable adjustment alleviated the play and reduced the motion but I believe the threaded retaining block to be stripped and will endeavour to get a replacement/machined piece in place to fix it.
Looks like an in-depth job, but not too terrible, to take down the steering mechanism in order to get at the cable(s). Has anyone been through this that can offer tips on extracting the cable and all? Everything seems well greased, I just have not seen this particular one crop up before.
Thanks,
Gary W
SM 209 Adagio
Gibraltar


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location

karkauai
 

Mine are on the port side under the berth attached to the aft side of the chain locker's watertight bulkhead.  There is a small panel that separates them from the air conditioner.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 1, 2016, at 12:56 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I looked and I think mine are at the same place...
I did not follow the wire (short on time because of work), but unless they are other solenoids, mine are there.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 7/1/16, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: Fwd: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 11:39 AM


 









Yes
Andrew, you have the bow-thruster located in a watertight
compartment, not allowing a watertight duct for the cables,
but I think on Kent's (and most probably on all the SMs
that don't have a watertight bow-thruster compartment)
the solenoids are below the berth.Kent
will tell us what he finds...
Olivier.


On Friday, July 1,
2016 6:09 PM, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@...
[amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



 













Not on our SM - they are in the bow thruster
compartment high up on the port side bolted to the side
wall.



Andrew
SM
472





Begin forwarded message:





From: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>

Date: 1 July 2016 at 17:57:29 CEST

To: "amelyachtowners@..."
<amelyachtowners@...>

Cc: Dr Andrew Lamb <Andrew.Lamb@...>

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster
Motor Solenoid Location

Reply-To: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>








In an
SM, the bow-thruster solenoid switches are located at the
front of the portside berth, under the berth board, behind a
protection piece of plywood.



Olivier








On Friday, July
1, 2016 1:57 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:








 




Kent,



I think I know where it is, but I can't get there
right now to verify it...Andrew, would you explain the
location.



Bill
BeBe 387


On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at
11:45 AM, Kent Robertson

karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



 




Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks 
Kent
SM243
Kristy







On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse'

yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:




 



Andrew,



I know of one other owner who had the same problem with
their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship
the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some
unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000
and 4,000 Euros!



When you have a chance please share your information,
because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it
may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.



It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause
might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not
considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would
cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now
understand how it could. I
do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I
can't get to mine right now and will look later. I
suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will
search.



Regarding your batteries, the y can be checked for
internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know
that most battery suppliers will provide this service.




Thanks,



Bill BeBe 387
Trinidad


On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at
8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb

andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



 





Hi
 
So I managed to find a local motor
engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in
repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind
generators, etc) they have completely
rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the
commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly
advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow
thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the
problem. Does anyone know the
specifications of the main bow thruster motor
relay?
 
Andrew
 
Ronpische
SM 472
Canet en
Roussillon



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Head-Holding tank ball valve replacement

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I just replaced the aft head ball-valve for the holding tank drain.

The process is documented here:

Total job 4 hours. Be sure that you have a wet-vacuum cleaner for this job.

Best,

Bill
BeBe 387
Trinidad


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Adapter for European tv to use in US

Mark Erdos
 

European and most of the TVs made for the rest of the world do not work in the USA. When the USA changed to HD it adopted a format of ATSC broadcasting and therefore you need a TV with an ATSC tuner. Europe uses a DVB-T format. This is most likely the turner you have in your TV.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 12:54 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Adapter for European tv to use in US

 

 

We ordered the Samsung Smart tv on our new 55.  It worked well in La Rochelle but gets no tv signal in US despite a large antenna. 
What kind of adapter or converter box will make it work?

 

Thanks 

Aldo 

Araucaria 


On Jul 1, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Yes Andrew, you have the bow-thruster located in a watertight compartment, not allowing a watertight duct for the cables, but I think on Kent's (and most probably on all the SMs that don't have a watertight bow-thruster compartment) the solenoids are below the berth.

Kent will tell us what he finds...

 

Olivier.

 

On Friday, July 1, 2016 6:09 PM, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Not on our SM - they are in the bow thruster compartment high up on the port side bolted to the side wall.

 

Andrew

SM 472



Begin forwarded message:

From: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>
Date: 1 July 2016 at 17:57:29 CEST
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc: Dr Andrew Lamb <Andrew.Lamb@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location
Reply-To: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>

In an SM, the bow-thruster solenoid switches are located at the front of the portside berth, under the berth board, behind a protection piece of plywood.

 

Olivier

 

On Friday, July 1, 2016 1:57 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Kent,

 

I think I know where it is, but I can't get there right now to verify it...Andrew, would you explain the location.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,

Where is the bow thruster solenoid?

Thanks 

Kent

SM243

Kristy


On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Andrew,

 

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros!

 

When you have a chance please share your information, because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

 

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now understand how it could. I do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I can't get to mine right now and will look later. I suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will search.

 

Regarding your batteries, the y can be checked for internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

 

Thanks,

 

Bill BeBe 387

Trinidad

 

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi

 

So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon

__.

 

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Adapter for European tv to use in US

Stephen Davis
 

Your TV  probably only receives the PAL system used in Europe and many other parts of the world. The USA uses NTSC 3.58, and to my knowledge, their is no converter available, and you will need a different TV.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Aldo Roldan aroldan1796@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We ordered the Samsung Smart tv on our new 55.  It worked well in La Rochelle but gets no tv signal in US despite a large antenna. 
What kind of adapter or converter box will make it work?

Thanks 
Aldo 
Araucaria 

On Jul 1, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Yes Andrew, you have the bow-thruster located in a watertight compartment, not allowing a watertight duct for the cables, but I think on Kent's (and most probably on all the SMs that don't have a watertight bow-thruster compartment) the solenoids are below the berth.
Kent will tell us what he finds...

Olivier.


On Friday, July 1, 2016 6:09 PM, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Not on our SM - they are in the bow thruster compartment high up on the port side bolted to the side wall.

Andrew
SM 472


Begin forwarded message:

From: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>
Date: 1 July 2016 at 17:57:29 CEST
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc: Dr Andrew Lamb <Andrew.Lamb@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location
Reply-To: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>

In an SM, the bow-thruster solenoid switches are located at the front of the portside berth, under the berth board, behind a protection piece of plywood.

Olivier


On Friday, July 1, 2016 1:57 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Kent,

I think I know where it is, but I can't get there right now to verify it...Andrew, would you explain the location.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks 
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000 and 4,000 Euros!

When you have a chance please share your information, because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now understand how it could. I do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I can't get to mine right now and will look later. I suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will search.

Regarding your batteries, the y can be checked for internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi
 
So I managed to find a local motor engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind generators, etc) they have completely rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the problem. Does anyone know the specifications of the main bow thruster motor relay?
 
Andrew
 
Ronpische
SM 472
Canet en Roussillon
__.








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster shaft removal

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Ian,

Sorry you are having all the problems with the bow thruster. I helped a good friend overhaul his bow thruster last winter in St Martin. In his case, it had not been serviced for who knows how long, and the spline was badly rusted. After trying to remove it from the boat all morning with no luck, I put a couple of ring clamps on the tube, a block of wood against the clamps, and banged on it with a heavy hammer. The sharp blows with the hammer worked where steady pressure had not. Of course we had put lots of PB Blaster on it during the morning. It sounds like yours might be worse than this experience, but you might try the hammer.

As a by-product of all the rust, we found the bearing at the bottom of the motor was rusted in place, and completely seized. We removed the motor from the boat, and a machine shop was able to get it out, and put a new bearing in. Once you finally get it out, and grease the spline really well, you will find that it will drop right out next time. Normally, servicing the bow thruster only takes a few hours, and I do it every 2 years when I haul.

I'm in Palm Coast about 15 miles from you until tomorrow afternoon, and if I can be of any help, let me know.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Grenada for the Summer

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:47 PM, francesringley@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Bill, we are in St.Augustine Florida. I have no idea when the last servicing was done.We only bought the boat two years ago and there are no records. Yes, the locking pin was in. The special tool is broken and i will have to order a new one or repair this one. We have doused the bolt holes and the underside of the collar with penetrating oil. Will attempt your suggestions tomorrow morning. Thank you once again 


Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM 153



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Thanks Bill

To be fair on the engineer I had removed the lower and upper plates before I gave it to him - but it looks increasingly like the wires need to be moved through 90 degrees.

Andrew


On 1 Jul 2016, at 19:16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have a much older model than you, but my wires come out the port side of the motor.


Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ


On Jul 1, 2016, at 13:12, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Thanks Alexandre

No hurry I cannot do anything for a few days because of my own work commitments. I need someone to put their hand behind the motor and see if the wires come out the port or starboard side of the motor towards the front of the boat

Andrew
SM 472


On 1 Jul 2016, at 19:02, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Can you find your answer looking at the pictures on:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

I am super short on time, about to go to dentist appointment, then grocery shopping, etc. 
If it doesn't help and no one can't reply, let me know and I look tonight.

Alexandre

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On Fri, 7/1/16, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Fwd: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Repair and Main Relay
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 11:19 AM


 












Hi



I wonder if
someone could verify something - I thing the engineer that
refurbished the bow thruster motor may have made a mistake
in where he has brought the motor wires out in relation to
the rigging brackets. They seem to be coming
out directly opposite where the metal bracket runs up and
down the stern / port side bar that guides the motor up and
down - I think in this position they may interfere with the
lower rigging which runs on the starboard side and I think
they should be coming
out at 90 degrees to the guide at the port forward
corner?



Thanks



Andrew



Sm472


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From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>

Date: 1 July 2016 at 16:54:33 CEST

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster
Motor Repair and Main Relay

Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...






 

Masha Danki Andrew. I found it.

Kent

Curaçao 

















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