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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

karkauai
 

Am I the only one here who's never heard of a valve lash?  What the heck is it?  Where is it? How is it adjusted?
Thanks
Kent


On Jun 28, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Dave Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill, great question and I think the answer is “never” since the engine was rebuilt in 2010.  I’ll  put it on the top of my list. The staining isn’t very bad, but still annoying.  Thanks!


Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez

On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:28 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Dave,

This is not a smart-ass answer/remark.

When is the last time that the valve lash was adjusted on your engine and/or generator?  If the valve lash is not adjusted correctly, you will get a lot of exhaust staining on the hull.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Jun 28, 2016 1:13 PM, "Dave Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Jean-Pierre,


Your post has prompted a question from me. What have you found works well for cleaning the exhaust from the hull?  Of course other members please feel free to chime in!

Thanks,

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Jun 28, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aty & Mohammed,


Had a big problem on previous boat… however, we had the tank sucked out, fuel polished, changed all filters then no more issue.

We’ve not had any problem since installing the following upgrade on Eleuthera: a pair of Racor 75900 with a 4 way valve.  (1-2-both-off)

We also use a bacteria killing agent at all times.  Also, for those who use the low sulfur diesel… we do… (no choice in most places) we add 1 liter of 2 stroke oil to each 500 liters.  Makes up some lubricity for the drier low sulfur stuff though it contributes to extra hull cleaning chore aft of the exhausts..

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Jun 2016, at 16:16, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone;


In talking to several different cruisers in the med, it appears that some have had some serious issues with bacterial or other types of growth in their diesel tanks leading to the need for disposal and deep cleaning of the fuel tanks.


I'd like hear others experiences and solutions to the problem in order to avoid the problem.


Thanks in advance


Mohammad and Aty

AMEL 54. #099

B&B Kokomo



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

karkauai
 

Hi all,
Back when I first got Kristy, and couldn't get the old Volvo over 2200rpm, one of the things I did was have the tank cleaned and fuel polished. I have used BioBor with every fill-up since then.  I first fill a 2-liter clear container with fuel from the dock andlet it sit for a few hours.  I've never found any fuel that was contaminated.  Anytime the boat sits for more than a month or two, I put a 5-ft length of pvc down to the bottom of the tank and pump 2 liters into my clear bottle.  Again, since cleaning the tank 8 years ago,I've never found any debris or water in my tank.  I used to change the Racors once a year, but they have always been clean.  I haven't changed them in 5 years now and they still work fine.

I've heard of adding oil or transmission fluid to the fuel, but haven't met a mechanic who advocated doing that...so far so good.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy




On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Aty and Mohammed,

I've had dirty fuel on a previous boat, and would rather not have to deal with it again. 

While refitting Aloha, we added a fuel boss fuel polishing unit in addition to the dual Racor units as JP described. It consist of an additional Racor unit with a 24volt motor attached. I also added 2 valves which allow fuel to diverted from the primary racors to the fuel boss, and for the output to go into the return line, and back into the top of the tank. The SM is ideal for this system as fuel draws from the very bottom of the tank. It polishes at 60 gph, so a full tank can be polished in under 3 hours. I usually polish if the boat has been sitting for a while, or if I have questions about the quality of the fuel received. It is a fairly simple user installed system, and cost me about $1000 with all the bits and pieces. Seems like cheap insurance to me. Also, I use the same Startron additive Bill recommends, and have found it to be a great product. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Grenada for the summer


On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:21, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Aty & Mohammed,


Had a big problem on previous boat… however, we had the tank sucked out, fuel polished, changed all filters then no more issue.

We’ve not had any problem since installing the following upgrade on Eleuthera: a pair of Racor 75900 with a 4 way valve.  (1-2-both-off)

We also use a bacteria killing agent at all times.  Also, for those who use the low sulfur diesel… we do… (no choice in most places) we add 1 liter of 2 stroke oil to each 500 liters.  Makes up some lubricity for the drier low sulfur stuff though it contributes to extra hull cleaning chore aft of the exhausts..

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Jun 2016, at 16:16, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone;


In talking to several different cruisers in the med, it appears that some have had some serious issues with bacterial or other types of growth in their diesel tanks leading to the need for disposal and deep cleaning of the fuel tanks.


I'd like hear others experiences and solutions to the problem in order to avoid the problem.


Thanks in advance


Mohammad and Aty

AMEL 54. #099

B&B Kokomo



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Bill,

I went to Howes Lubricator webpage and I am unable tho find “Diesel Fuel Conditioner."

Webpage: http://www.howeslube.com/overview.php

Can you tell me which of the products on that page you use.

Bill Rouse
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On Jun 28, 2016 4:40 PM, "Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The previous owners of our boat insisted that adding Howes Lubricator “Diesel Fuel Conditioner” stopped the soot stain completely on the side of the hull from our aging (7000 hours) Volvo.


Not one to argue, and putting this in the category of “it can’t hurt” I keep adding it, and no soot stain.  This is not a biocide, and will not address directly the issue of biological growth.

Bill Kinney
SM #160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

On Jun 28, 2016, at 16:38, Dave Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bill, great question and I think the answer is “never” since the engine was rebuilt in 2010.  I’ll  put it on the top of my list. The staining isn’t very bad, but still annoying.  Thanks!


Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez

On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:28 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Dave,

This is not a smart-ass answer/remark.

When is the last time that the valve lash was adjusted on your engine and/or generator?  If the valve lash is not adjusted correctly, you will get a lot of exhaust staining on the hull.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jun 28, 2016 1:13 PM, "Dave Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Jean-Pierre,


Your post has prompted a question from me. What have you found works well for cleaning the exhaust from the hull?  Of course other members please feel free to chime in!

Thanks,

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Jun 28, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aty & Mohammed,


Had a big problem on previous boat… however, we had the tank sucked out, fuel polished, changed all filters then no more issue.

We’ve not had any problem since installing the following upgrade on Eleuthera: a pair of Racor 75900 with a 4 way valve.  (1-2-both-off)

We also use a bacteria killing agent at all times.  Also, for those who use the low sulfur diesel… we do… (no choice in most places) we add 1 liter of 2 stroke oil to each 500 liters.  Makes up some lubricity for the drier low sulfur stuff though it contributes to extra hull cleaning chore aft of the exhausts..

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Jun 2016, at 16:16, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone;


In talking to several different cruisers in the med, it appears that some have had some serious issues with bacterial or other types of growth in their diesel tanks leading to the need for disposal and deep cleaning of the fuel tanks.


I'd like hear others experiences and solutions to the problem in order to avoid the problem.


Thanks in advance


Mohammad and Aty

AMEL 54. #099

B&B Kokomo



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

Bill <greatketch@...>
 

There are two kinds of additives to deal with water that finds its way into your fuel.  One kind emulsifies the water with the idea that it passes through into the engine in small quantities at a time and is safely burned off.  If the amount of water is small enough that works, but at some point you get corrosion to the injection pump, and erosion of the injector tips.  

The second type of water handling additive actually does the opposite.  By increasing the tendency of the water to separate, it helps your filters remove it.  If you have an efficient fuel polishing system, I would avoid the emulsifying additives.  They make it difficult or impossible for the filters to do their job.

Otherwise, additives tend to be used in small enough proportions, I have never heard of damage except to the engine owner's wallet. Diesel engines burn lots of things without complaint

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ


On Jun 28, 2016, at 18:07, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks every one for the replies. We do have dual racors and the fuel polishing system and pre filtering before it goes in to the tank all sound like good ideas.


Is any one aware of any negative effects of the additives? Also how do you find out the sulfur content of the fuel you are purchasing?


On a slightly different point, I purchased 12 extra rancor filters and later found out that my supplier sent me 2 micron instead of the 30 micron recommended by AMEL. In reviewing the specs of the 2 micron filter it sounds like it can handle the flow. Has any one used the finer filters ?

Mohammad and Aty
B&B KOKOMO


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

David Wallace
 

Excellent advice, thanks again!

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez

On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:59 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I think that you will see an improvement. If you do it yourself, do it at least twice to make sure they are correctly adjusted. You should probably adjust them every 1000 hours, ir 4 years.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Jun 28, 2016 4:32 PM, "Dave Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill, great question and I think the answer is “never” since the engine was rebuilt in 2010.  I’ll  put it on the top of my list. The staining isn’t very bad, but still annoying.  Thanks!


Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez

On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:28 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Dave,

This is not a smart-ass answer/remark.

When is the last time that the valve lash was adjusted on your engine and/or generator?  If the valve lash is not adjusted correctly, you will get a lot of exhaust staining on the hull.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jun 28, 2016 1:13 PM, "Dave Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Jean-Pierre,


Your post has prompted a question from me. What have you found works well for cleaning the exhaust from the hull?  Of course other members please feel free to chime in!

Thanks,

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Jun 28, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aty & Mohammed,


Had a big problem on previous boat… however, we had the tank sucked out, fuel polished, changed all filters then no more issue.

We’ve not had any problem since installing the following upgrade on Eleuthera: a pair of Racor 75900 with a 4 way valve.  (1-2-both-off)

We also use a bacteria killing agent at all times.  Also, for those who use the low sulfur diesel… we do… (no choice in most places) we add 1 liter of 2 stroke oil to each 500 liters.  Makes up some lubricity for the drier low sulfur stuff though it contributes to extra hull cleaning chore aft of the exhausts..

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Jun 2016, at 16:16, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone;


In talking to several different cruisers in the med, it appears that some have had some serious issues with bacterial or other types of growth in their diesel tanks leading to the need for disposal and deep cleaning of the fuel tanks.


I'd like hear others experiences and solutions to the problem in order to avoid the problem.


Thanks in advance


Mohammad and Aty

AMEL 54. #099

B&B Kokomo



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction / new owner SM#351

hanspeter baettig
 

Hello Niels
Why this question? You bougt the SM 351 from the previous owner. And you paied the money you both agreed; is that correct ? and yes I now SM # 351
Hanspeter , SM #16

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Am 28.06.2016 um 17:11 schrieb Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Congratulations and welcome to the forum. 

Steve and Liz Davis
Aloha SM 72
Grenada

On Jun 28, 2016, at 06:49, Niels Hauerslev niels.hauerslev@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Amel Yacht Owners, I want to introduce myself, as I have bought SM2000 hull #351 (BIGOUZ).
The boat is located near Brest on the Atlantic coast of France, and we will bring her closer to Scandinavia during this summer.
If someone knows the boat and/or have some general / nice to have information, please I will be very happy to hear from you.
I have been dreaming of owning an Amel and looking on this forum for years, and really look forward to being an active part of the discussions J
Have a great summer everyone!
BR Niels


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks every one for the replies. We do have dual racors and the fuel polishing system and pre filtering before it goes in to the tank all sound like good ideas.

Is any one aware of any negative effects of the additives? Also how do you find out the sulfur content of the fuel you are purchasing?


On a slightly different point, I purchased 12 extra rancor filters and later found out that my supplier sent me 2 micron instead of the 30 micron recommended by AMEL. In reviewing the specs of the 2 micron filter it sounds like it can handle the flow. Has any one used the finer filters ?

Mohammad and Aty
B&B KOKOMO


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

Gregory Shea
 

Jean-Pierre,
I used to be very involved in two cycle lubrication a couple of careers ago and was wondering what "two stroke" oil do you use? The formulations for hot running air cooled two cycle engine lubricants are very different to cooler running water cooled (outboard) motors. The latter are designated TC-W for "two cycle water cooled" on their packaging. The air cooled stuff will create gum and varnish at the lower temperatures of a water cooled engine. The result can be disastrous, very quickly.
Similarly, all TC-W oils are not created equal. The ones sold by the motor manufacturers Mercury, Yamaha, Johmson, Evinrude etc. are of a uniformly high quality because their poor performance will reflect unfavorably on the brands. Major oil companies products are usually OK but you cannot be sure. As usual, it ibecomes a cost issue.
By the way, most of your litre is a diluent to thin it down so it will mix with the fuel. It used to be a kerosene type product but who knows what is today. In short, there is not much "oil" in outboard "oil" but it sure can make a mess.
I'm hopeful you are using a product that expects to get burnt in the combustion chamber and not stick the rings but, for what it's worth, my strong preference/practice is to use the outboard manufacturer's products when oil-fuel mixing is required.

Greg Shea
Sharki 133
Cap des Iles



To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 13:38:31 -0700
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

 
Bill, great question and I think the answer is “never” since the engine was rebuilt in 2010.  I’ll  put it on the top of my list. The staining isn’t very bad, but still annoying.  Thanks!

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez

On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:28 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Dave,

This is not a smart-ass answer/remark.

When is the last time that the valve lash was adjusted on your engine and/or generator?  If the valve lash is not adjusted correctly, you will get a lot of exhaust staining on the hull.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jun 28, 2016 1:13 PM, "Dave Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Jean-Pierre,


Your post has prompted a question from me. What have you found works well for cleaning the exhaust from the hull?  Of course other members please feel free to chime in!

Thanks,

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Jun 28, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aty & Mohammed,


Had a big problem on previous boat… however, we had the tank sucked out, fuel polished, changed all filters then no more issue.

We’ve not had any problem since installing the following upgrade on Eleuthera: a pair of Racor 75900 with a 4 way valve.  (1-2-both-off)

We also use a bacteria killing agent at all times.  Also, for those who use the low sulfur diesel… we do… (no choice in most places) we add 1 liter of 2 stroke oil to each 500 liters.  Makes up some lubricity for the drier low sulfur stuff though it contributes to extra hull cleaning chore aft of the exhausts..

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Jun 2016, at 16:16, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone;


In talking to several different cruisers in the med, it appears that some have had some serious issues with bacterial or other types of growth in their diesel tanks leading to the need for disposal and deep cleaning of the fuel tanks.


I'd like hear others experiences and solutions to the problem in order to avoid the problem.


Thanks in advance


Mohammad and Aty

AMEL 54. #099

B&B Kokomo



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I think that you will see an improvement. If you do it yourself, do it at least twice to make sure they are correctly adjusted. You should probably adjust them every 1000 hours, ir 4 years.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
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On Jun 28, 2016 4:32 PM, "Dave Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill, great question and I think the answer is “never” since the engine was rebuilt in 2010.  I’ll  put it on the top of my list. The staining isn’t very bad, but still annoying.  Thanks!


Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez

On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:28 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Dave,

This is not a smart-ass answer/remark.

When is the last time that the valve lash was adjusted on your engine and/or generator?  If the valve lash is not adjusted correctly, you will get a lot of exhaust staining on the hull.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jun 28, 2016 1:13 PM, "Dave Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Jean-Pierre,


Your post has prompted a question from me. What have you found works well for cleaning the exhaust from the hull?  Of course other members please feel free to chime in!

Thanks,

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Jun 28, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aty & Mohammed,


Had a big problem on previous boat… however, we had the tank sucked out, fuel polished, changed all filters then no more issue.

We’ve not had any problem since installing the following upgrade on Eleuthera: a pair of Racor 75900 with a 4 way valve.  (1-2-both-off)

We also use a bacteria killing agent at all times.  Also, for those who use the low sulfur diesel… we do… (no choice in most places) we add 1 liter of 2 stroke oil to each 500 liters.  Makes up some lubricity for the drier low sulfur stuff though it contributes to extra hull cleaning chore aft of the exhausts..

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Jun 2016, at 16:16, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone;


In talking to several different cruisers in the med, it appears that some have had some serious issues with bacterial or other types of growth in their diesel tanks leading to the need for disposal and deep cleaning of the fuel tanks.


I'd like hear others experiences and solutions to the problem in order to avoid the problem.


Thanks in advance


Mohammad and Aty

AMEL 54. #099

B&B Kokomo



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi again gang,

My Volvo has fewer than 1000 hours but Eleuthera is coming out for yearly maintenance next week.  Valve adjustment/ injector/fuel pump calibration as well as new camshaft belt are in the plan.  Hull polish too. :-)

GL

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Jun 2016, at 22:40, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

The previous owners of our boat insisted that adding Howes Lubricator “Diesel Fuel Conditioner” stopped the soot stain completely on the side of the hull from our aging (7000 hours) Volvo.


Not one to argue, and putting this in the category of “it can’t hurt” I keep adding it, and no soot stain.  This is not a biocide, and will not address directly the issue of biological growth.

Bill Kinney
SM #160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

On Jun 28, 2016, at 16:38, Dave Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bill, great question and I think the answer is “never” since the engine was rebuilt in 2010.  I’ll  put it on the top of my list. The staining isn’t very bad, but still annoying.  Thanks!


Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez

On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:28 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Dave,

This is not a smart-ass answer/remark.

When is the last time that the valve lash was adjusted on your engine and/or generator?  If the valve lash is not adjusted correctly, you will get a lot of exhaust staining on the hull.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jun 28, 2016 1:13 PM, "Dave Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Jean-Pierre,


Your post has prompted a question from me. What have you found works well for cleaning the exhaust from the hull?  Of course other members please feel free to chime in!

Thanks,

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Jun 28, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aty & Mohammed,


Had a big problem on previous boat… however, we had the tank sucked out, fuel polished, changed all filters then no more issue.

We’ve not had any problem since installing the following upgrade on Eleuthera: a pair of Racor 75900 with a 4 way valve.  (1-2-both-off)

We also use a bacteria killing agent at all times.  Also, for those who use the low sulfur diesel… we do… (no choice in most places) we add 1 liter of 2 stroke oil to each 500 liters.  Makes up some lubricity for the drier low sulfur stuff though it contributes to extra hull cleaning chore aft of the exhausts..

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Jun 2016, at 16:16, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone;


In talking to several different cruisers in the med, it appears that some have had some serious issues with bacterial or other types of growth in their diesel tanks leading to the need for disposal and deep cleaning of the fuel tanks.


I'd like hear others experiences and solutions to the problem in order to avoid the problem.


Thanks in advance


Mohammad and Aty

AMEL 54. #099

B&B Kokomo



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

To avoid problems with diesel, keep it clean and, most importantly, dry.  Without water there is no biological growth.  That is a bit easier said than done.  We can filter our incoming fuel and it can go into the tank bone dry, but over time condensation will add small amounts of water.  Small amounts, but enough for the slime to grow.  By the way, there are different types of organisms that grow there.  Some algae, some bacteria. It can get to be a complex ecosystem!

There are various additives that people will recommend, and some of them will certainly help, but none of them will be perfect at keeping a mixture of water and diesel clean for very long—no matter what the advertising says. Your best best is to have the tanks cleaned once a year, or anytime after you have taken on fuel you suspect.

I am not sure how widely available it is, but there are “fuel polishing services” here who come to the boat, and recirculate the fuel at high velocity through filters and water separators.  No need to drain and dispose of the fuel.  Or you can install your own system to do this as others have recommended.

Over the long term (20 years), even dry, well maintained tanks will accumulate a layer of hard, black coke on the bottom.  There is no way I know of to remove this without opening the tank and physically digging it out.

Having a sample tap at the VERY lowest part of the tank would be nice to see if there is water there, but at least my boat does not have that. The SM tank does give you access to the deepest corner of the tank through the fuel fill pipe.  A small hand pump with a stiff tube (or a flexible tube tied to the dipstick) will let you get a sample from the very bottom below the normal fuel outlet port.

Bill Kinney
SM #160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:16, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello everyone;


In talking to several different cruisers in the med, it appears that some have had some serious issues with bacterial or other types of growth in their diesel tanks leading to the need for disposal and deep cleaning of the fuel tanks.


I'd like hear others experiences and solutions to the problem in order to avoid the problem.


Thanks in advance


Mohammad and Aty

AMEL 54. #099

B&B Kokomo




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

The previous owners of our boat insisted that adding Howes Lubricator “Diesel Fuel Conditioner” stopped the soot stain completely on the side of the hull from our aging (7000 hours) Volvo.

Not one to argue, and putting this in the category of “it can’t hurt” I keep adding it, and no soot stain.  This is not a biocide, and will not address directly the issue of biological growth.

Bill Kinney
SM #160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

On Jun 28, 2016, at 16:38, Dave Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bill, great question and I think the answer is “never” since the engine was rebuilt in 2010.  I’ll  put it on the top of my list. The staining isn’t very bad, but still annoying.  Thanks!


Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez

On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:28 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Dave,

This is not a smart-ass answer/remark.

When is the last time that the valve lash was adjusted on your engine and/or generator?  If the valve lash is not adjusted correctly, you will get a lot of exhaust staining on the hull.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Jun 28, 2016 1:13 PM, "Dave Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Jean-Pierre,


Your post has prompted a question from me. What have you found works well for cleaning the exhaust from the hull?  Of course other members please feel free to chime in!

Thanks,

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Jun 28, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aty & Mohammed,


Had a big problem on previous boat… however, we had the tank sucked out, fuel polished, changed all filters then no more issue.

We’ve not had any problem since installing the following upgrade on Eleuthera: a pair of Racor 75900 with a 4 way valve.  (1-2-both-off)

We also use a bacteria killing agent at all times.  Also, for those who use the low sulfur diesel… we do… (no choice in most places) we add 1 liter of 2 stroke oil to each 500 liters.  Makes up some lubricity for the drier low sulfur stuff though it contributes to extra hull cleaning chore aft of the exhausts..

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Jun 2016, at 16:16, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone;


In talking to several different cruisers in the med, it appears that some have had some serious issues with bacterial or other types of growth in their diesel tanks leading to the need for disposal and deep cleaning of the fuel tanks.


I'd like hear others experiences and solutions to the problem in order to avoid the problem.


Thanks in advance


Mohammad and Aty

AMEL 54. #099

B&B Kokomo



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

David Wallace
 

Bill, great question and I think the answer is “never” since the engine was rebuilt in 2010.  I’ll  put it on the top of my list. The staining isn’t very bad, but still annoying.  Thanks!

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez

On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:28 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Dave,

This is not a smart-ass answer/remark.

When is the last time that the valve lash was adjusted on your engine and/or generator?  If the valve lash is not adjusted correctly, you will get a lot of exhaust staining on the hull.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jun 28, 2016 1:13 PM, "Dave Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Jean-Pierre,


Your post has prompted a question from me. What have you found works well for cleaning the exhaust from the hull?  Of course other members please feel free to chime in!

Thanks,

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Jun 28, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aty & Mohammed,


Had a big problem on previous boat… however, we had the tank sucked out, fuel polished, changed all filters then no more issue.

We’ve not had any problem since installing the following upgrade on Eleuthera: a pair of Racor 75900 with a 4 way valve.  (1-2-both-off)

We also use a bacteria killing agent at all times.  Also, for those who use the low sulfur diesel… we do… (no choice in most places) we add 1 liter of 2 stroke oil to each 500 liters.  Makes up some lubricity for the drier low sulfur stuff though it contributes to extra hull cleaning chore aft of the exhausts..

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Jun 2016, at 16:16, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone;


In talking to several different cruisers in the med, it appears that some have had some serious issues with bacterial or other types of growth in their diesel tanks leading to the need for disposal and deep cleaning of the fuel tanks.


I'd like hear others experiences and solutions to the problem in order to avoid the problem.


Thanks in advance


Mohammad and Aty

AMEL 54. #099

B&B Kokomo



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Gang,

Bio-Bor is one of the approved bactericide for aviation; it is used extensively in corporate aviation.  The diesel/jet fuel growth is not frequent in airliners as they never sit for long.  Corporate jets however tend to be idle for days on end, capturing heat in daytime and cooling at night.  This results in condensation. i.e water.  Once water is present in your tank, the bacteria combines with the water and grows to a dirty black composite which stops diesel engines dead in their tracks.

The precautions taken by Steve and I are… just precautions.  But given a small bit of attention to your fuel supply… consider filtering through a chamois if you have doubts.  The fuel guy will hate you but who cares??

Reference the soot along the hull, my only solution thus far has been “elbow grease” . I’d love to hear from anyone who has found the “magic” solution.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Jun 2016, at 20:49, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Aty and Mohammed,

I've had dirty fuel on a previous boat, and would rather not have to deal with it again. 

While refitting Aloha, we added a fuel boss fuel polishing unit in addition to the dual Racor units as JP described. It consist of an additional Racor unit with a 24volt motor attached. I also added 2 valves which allow fuel to diverted from the primary racors to the fuel boss, and for the output to go into the return line, and back into the top of the tank. The SM is ideal for this system as fuel draws from the very bottom of the tank. It polishes at 60 gph, so a full tank can be polished in under 3 hours. I usually polish if the boat has been sitting for a while, or if I have questions about the quality of the fuel received. It is a fairly simple user installed system, and cost me about $1000 with all the bits and pieces. Seems like cheap insurance to me. Also, I use the same Startron additive Bill recommends, and have found it to be a great product. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Grenada for the summer


On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:21, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Aty & Mohammed,


Had a big problem on previous boat… however, we had the tank sucked out, fuel polished, changed all filters then no more issue.

We’ve not had any problem since installing the following upgrade on Eleuthera: a pair of Racor 75900 with a 4 way valve.  (1-2-both-off)

We also use a bacteria killing agent at all times.  Also, for those who use the low sulfur diesel… we do… (no choice in most places) we add 1 liter of 2 stroke oil to each 500 liters.  Makes up some lubricity for the drier low sulfur stuff though it contributes to extra hull cleaning chore aft of the exhausts..

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Jun 2016, at 16:16, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone;


In talking to several different cruisers in the med, it appears that some have had some serious issues with bacterial or other types of growth in their diesel tanks leading to the need for disposal and deep cleaning of the fuel tanks.


I'd like hear others experiences and solutions to the problem in order to avoid the problem.


Thanks in advance


Mohammad and Aty

AMEL 54. #099

B&B Kokomo



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Dave,

This is not a smart-ass answer/remark.

When is the last time that the valve lash was adjusted on your engine and/or generator?  If the valve lash is not adjusted correctly, you will get a lot of exhaust staining on the hull.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jun 28, 2016 1:13 PM, "Dave Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Jean-Pierre,


Your post has prompted a question from me. What have you found works well for cleaning the exhaust from the hull?  Of course other members please feel free to chime in!

Thanks,

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Jun 28, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aty & Mohammed,


Had a big problem on previous boat… however, we had the tank sucked out, fuel polished, changed all filters then no more issue.

We’ve not had any problem since installing the following upgrade on Eleuthera: a pair of Racor 75900 with a 4 way valve.  (1-2-both-off)

We also use a bacteria killing agent at all times.  Also, for those who use the low sulfur diesel… we do… (no choice in most places) we add 1 liter of 2 stroke oil to each 500 liters.  Makes up some lubricity for the drier low sulfur stuff though it contributes to extra hull cleaning chore aft of the exhausts..

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Jun 2016, at 16:16, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone;


In talking to several different cruisers in the med, it appears that some have had some serious issues with bacterial or other types of growth in their diesel tanks leading to the need for disposal and deep cleaning of the fuel tanks.


I'd like hear others experiences and solutions to the problem in order to avoid the problem.


Thanks in advance


Mohammad and Aty

AMEL 54. #099

B&B Kokomo



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Aty and Mohammed,

I've had dirty fuel on a previous boat, and would rather not have to deal with it again. 

While refitting Aloha, we added a fuel boss fuel polishing unit in addition to the dual Racor units as JP described. It consist of an additional Racor unit with a 24volt motor attached. I also added 2 valves which allow fuel to diverted from the primary racors to the fuel boss, and for the output to go into the return line, and back into the top of the tank. The SM is ideal for this system as fuel draws from the very bottom of the tank. It polishes at 60 gph, so a full tank can be polished in under 3 hours. I usually polish if the boat has been sitting for a while, or if I have questions about the quality of the fuel received. It is a fairly simple user installed system, and cost me about $1000 with all the bits and pieces. Seems like cheap insurance to me. Also, I use the same Startron additive Bill recommends, and have found it to be a great product. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Grenada for the summer


On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:21, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Aty & Mohammed,


Had a big problem on previous boat… however, we had the tank sucked out, fuel polished, changed all filters then no more issue.

We’ve not had any problem since installing the following upgrade on Eleuthera: a pair of Racor 75900 with a 4 way valve.  (1-2-both-off)

We also use a bacteria killing agent at all times.  Also, for those who use the low sulfur diesel… we do… (no choice in most places) we add 1 liter of 2 stroke oil to each 500 liters.  Makes up some lubricity for the drier low sulfur stuff though it contributes to extra hull cleaning chore aft of the exhausts..

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Jun 2016, at 16:16, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone;


In talking to several different cruisers in the med, it appears that some have had some serious issues with bacterial or other types of growth in their diesel tanks leading to the need for disposal and deep cleaning of the fuel tanks.


I'd like hear others experiences and solutions to the problem in order to avoid the problem.


Thanks in advance


Mohammad and Aty

AMEL 54. #099

B&B Kokomo



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

James Alton
 

Jean-Pierre Germain,

   I am glad to get the warning about the possible fuel issues in the Med.  Having been in Florida a lot I am familiar with the algae growth issue which I control using Bio-bor, an algaecide.  Is there also a bacteria that we have to worry about as well??  

  A friend of mine who sells Yanmar started having the injection pumps of relatively new engines seize up right after the change to the low sulphur fuel.  After a lot testing he determined that this was a lubricity issue and found that a product called Stanedyne cured the problem.  I am sure that the 2 cycle motor oil works as well.  The Stanedyne does seem to burn clean, no oily film on the waterline of my boat.  

Best,

James

On Jun 28, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aty & Mohammed,


Had a big problem on previous boat… however, we had the tank sucked out, fuel polished, changed all filters then no more issue.

We’ve not had any problem since installing the following upgrade on Eleuthera: a pair of Racor 75900 with a 4 way valve.  (1-2-both-off)

We also use a bacteria killing agent at all times.  Also, for those who use the low sulfur diesel… we do… (no choice in most places) we add 1 liter of 2 stroke oil to each 500 liters.  Makes up some lubricity for the drier low sulfur stuff though it contributes to extra hull cleaning chore aft of the exhausts..

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Jun 2016, at 16:16, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone;


In talking to several different cruisers in the med, it appears that some have had some serious issues with bacterial or other types of growth in their diesel tanks leading to the need for disposal and deep cleaning of the fuel tanks.


I'd like hear others experiences and solutions to the problem in order to avoid the problem.


Thanks in advance


Mohammad and Aty

AMEL 54. #099

B&B Kokomo



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

David Wallace
 

Jean-Pierre,

Your post has prompted a question from me. What have you found works well for cleaning the exhaust from the hull?  Of course other members please feel free to chime in!

Thanks,

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Jun 28, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Aty & Mohammed,


Had a big problem on previous boat… however, we had the tank sucked out, fuel polished, changed all filters then no more issue.

We’ve not had any problem since installing the following upgrade on Eleuthera: a pair of Racor 75900 with a 4 way valve.  (1-2-both-off)

We also use a bacteria killing agent at all times.  Also, for those who use the low sulfur diesel… we do… (no choice in most places) we add 1 liter of 2 stroke oil to each 500 liters.  Makes up some lubricity for the drier low sulfur stuff though it contributes to extra hull cleaning chore aft of the exhausts..

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Jun 2016, at 16:16, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone;


In talking to several different cruisers in the med, it appears that some have had some serious issues with bacterial or other types of growth in their diesel tanks leading to the need for disposal and deep cleaning of the fuel tanks.


I'd like hear others experiences and solutions to the problem in order to avoid the problem.


Thanks in advance


Mohammad and Aty

AMEL 54. #099

B&B Kokomo



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] [Amel] Amel Super Maramu Hull # 317 Papa - Papa II - Lady Divina

Beaute Olivier
 

Well, this is a long story...
After Hurricane IVAN, we knew the boat had been sold and that someone would repair it. That someone did not purchase any part from AMEL...
After he sold the boat (probably without a proper survey), the new owner hit a rock at 8 knots, lost the ballast, could motor back to the next harbor (I believed it only when I saw the pictures of the vessel in the crane slings, without ballast, but with the C-drive still there, apparently slightly curved. The C-drive stayed in place because of the front "hub" that is located inside the aft side of the GRP keel. Still amazing.).
Then, AMEL (I was still working there...) sold a new ballast to this owner, shipped it to Canada, then the owner died.
Then I saw (a picture) the shipyard had cut off about 10 cm (!!!!) of the bottom of the GRP keel, in order to re-install the ballast.
They shouldn't have done that, as this has considerably (in my opinion) weakened the keel.
I don't know more than that. It seems the "boat" was finally repaired as it is listed with pictures. By the way, HOW CAN A BROKER SHOW SUCH BAD PICTURES OF A MESSY BOAT ???

For me, this "boat" is no more a Super Maramu. There are too many changes (starting with both masts and furlers).

Joel, yes, as long as the owner of a vessel orders and fully pays for a spare part, a european company cannot refuse to sell this part.
While I was at AMEL, I have experienced twice a ballast replacement (apart from SM 317). We also sometimes shipped a full set of masts, rigging, rudder blade, full guard rail (this can be lost after a severe grounding). Everytime we had this kind of order, we never refused to sell, although we did not check the damages ourselves, but according to the request of the owner, or his insurance and surveyors.
One Super Maramu, 6 months old, was caught in a coral reef, hardly damaged before pirates took everything they could (including engine, genset, winches, etc...) as the owner and family were taken off from rescue boats.
The SM was insured for 600000euros, and repaired in La Rochelle (after salvage and shipment) for about 350000 euros.
So, yes Stephen, any boat can be repaired BUT in the case of SM317, the only way to rebuild it correctly after Hurricane IVAN, would have been to put the hull back into the mould before re-installing new bulkheads and stringers. There were so many broken pieces of plywood in this boat (bulkheads, stringers, any kind of reinforcement) that the hull was definitely out of shape. It has been repaired "on-the-spot" and you can imagine how the hull was twisted.

Sometimes, the vessel is not "economically" repairable and is sold for "parts". Hull 317 is that kind, but someone decided to repair the boat.
This boat can probably be sold as a floating apartment...I would be glad to meet the surveyor who would write that this boat is worth buying and safe sailing.

Olivier.


On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:12 PM, "Stephen Hancock sammie.whammie@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Any boat can be repaired to as good or better condition as when new.. It depends on skill, experience and money. Tear back to where no damage and build back like new. Many good boat yards are capable of proper work. A shame to have a well built boat like this not repaired properly. Usually  when a keel sail boat loses it’s keel it rolls over. How did it stay up with no keel? The engine water and fuel low helped. Anyway crazy and interesting boat story. Thanks
On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:54 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 
I spoke several times to the guy who bought it and later crashed it and tore the keel off. He called me and asked me for my opinion about the boat before he handed over his dough. Even though the boat had been totaled by the insurance company, sold as salvage, and reassembled by some beavers with bad teeth, he purchased it WITHOUT A SURVEY.
 
“At high rpm there was severe vibrations” Holy mackerel, only severe?
 
If you are considering buying this boat, DO NOT CALL ME.
 
Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954 462 5869 office
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I noticed that Amel Super Maramu hull # 317 Papa II is listed for sale on yachtworld dot com, lying in Seattle.

I didn't see any history of multiple severe damage incidents mentioned in the broker's listing, thus I felt it my duty to post this.

It is my understanding that some of the history of Amel Super Maramu 2000 hull # 317 is as follows:

The boat was previously known as Lady Divina. She boat was blown off of her stands while on the hard in Venezuela by hurricane Ivan in 2004. A hole was punched completely through the hull and the nav station area and bulkhead underwent extensive repairs.

The boat was then put up for sale and after a long time on the market she was purchased by a new owner at a substantial discount.

On July 6, 2007 while in British Columbia, Canada the new owner ran her into the rocks under full power at 8 knots causing the keel to be completely ripped off, separated from the hull and lost.

In post #'s 2998 and 2999 on this Yahoo group the owner wrote:

"Well the bow thruster prop repair is way down on the list today.
Yesterday PAPA struck a rock HARD at 8 knots in Canada and LOST HER
KEEL. She floated free after it got ripped off in about 10 minutes
of twisting and rolling with the surging currents. I was able to
motor slowly away to deeper water and dive over to see the keel was
GONE. At high RPM's there was severe vibrations so I took the FREE
(CANADA COAST GUARD IS AWESOME) tow to Port Hardy, BC where I will be
spending some time exploring the construction of the AMELS...

Once out of the water you can see all the stainless keel bolts were
cut clean off. The transmission housing is sagging down 4 inches
(but the prop turns fine and was able to motor slowly into the
haulout slip.) There is fresh water leaking out from the bottom of
what is left of the keel, so I will be drinking large quanities of
good Canadian Beer.

If anyone has any experience with reattaching a keel, water tank
repair or transmission issues, I am all ears."

And finally, two months later while awaiting repairs the owner was killed on October 18, 2007 in a tragic kite surfing accident in Seattle. ( www dot sailpapa dot com )

If anyone believes any of this information is in error please notify me and I will immediately post a correction.

Just thought you might want to know – I would if I were in the market.





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diesel fuel problems and additives

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Aty & Mohammed,

Had a big problem on previous boat… however, we had the tank sucked out, fuel polished, changed all filters then no more issue.

We’ve not had any problem since installing the following upgrade on Eleuthera: a pair of Racor 75900 with a 4 way valve.  (1-2-both-off)

We also use a bacteria killing agent at all times.  Also, for those who use the low sulfur diesel… we do… (no choice in most places) we add 1 liter of 2 stroke oil to each 500 liters.  Makes up some lubricity for the drier low sulfur stuff though it contributes to extra hull cleaning chore aft of the exhausts..

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007


On 28 Jun 2016, at 16:16, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone;


In talking to several different cruisers in the med, it appears that some have had some serious issues with bacterial or other types of growth in their diesel tanks leading to the need for disposal and deep cleaning of the fuel tanks.


I'd like hear others experiences and solutions to the problem in order to avoid the problem.


Thanks in advance


Mohammad and Aty

AMEL 54. #099

B&B Kokomo



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