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Re: ONAN replacement or not?

Matt Salatino
 

I tried to get Amel to install them. They would not, as they had no familiarity with them.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Dec 2, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Dean Gillies <stella@...> wrote:

Thanks Matt, much appreciated. 

Did you install Firefly batteries in your new A50 or did you make the leap to Lithium?

Cheers, Dean
SV Stella A54-154


Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??

michael winand
 

Michael Nebo sm251  Australia 


On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 7:17 am, michael winand
<mfw642000@...> wrote:
We installed a beta 60. Did not have any problems with the physical size. 
The gearbox is a tmc.
Beta power ratings are on the output flange of the gearbox. Compared with the Volvo at the flywheel. The beta has more torque than the Volvo. 









On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 10:34 pm, Mark Barter
<markbarter100@...> wrote:
Hi Dan,

We are in a boatyard in Gibraltar to have our M80T replaced by the Beta 85T.

To cut a long story short, the Perkins is out and just as the fitter was about to have the Beta craned in he discovered that the Beta was too big. As I type he is trying to work out how the new engine and the engine bed can be modified to fit.

The Beta is stock from the manufacturer except that it came fitted with a large 175a Leece Neville alternator. Also, it has the wrong type of gearbox. It needs a dropbox apparently.

Do you have the photos you took when you replaced your Perkins? 

Any help would be very gratefully received.

Many thanks
Mark
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Re: ONAN replacement or not?

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Bill,

Very interesting...You said "One of the key parameters for us is to watch the difference between the high and low halves of the battery bank.  If they drift apart from being identical (half the nominal 24V total) that is an alert to a problem."

Do you  not have a balancer across the 12V battery pairs to keep the voltages the same?

We have 3 parallel strings of 4 x 6V AGMs in series with balancers across the 4 and the voltages on each battery stay the same within 0.02V and have done now for 4 years.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??

michael winand
 

We installed a beta 60. Did not have any problems with the physical size. 
The gearbox is a tmc.
Beta power ratings are on the output flange of the gearbox. Compared with the Volvo at the flywheel. The beta has more torque than the Volvo. 









On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 10:34 pm, Mark Barter
<markbarter100@...> wrote:
Hi Dan,

We are in a boatyard in Gibraltar to have our M80T replaced by the Beta 85T.

To cut a long story short, the Perkins is out and just as the fitter was about to have the Beta craned in he discovered that the Beta was too big. As I type he is trying to work out how the new engine and the engine bed can be modified to fit.

The Beta is stock from the manufacturer except that it came fitted with a large 175a Leece Neville alternator. Also, it has the wrong type of gearbox. It needs a dropbox apparently.

Do you have the photos you took when you replaced your Perkins? 

Any help would be very gratefully received.

Many thanks
Mark
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Re: BVI Fines for sailing I n BVI waters

Thomas Peacock
 

I was curious about this incident, and wanted more details. It now seems that they have pled guilty, and each has been fined US $1,000. Still not pretty, but better than $20,000. Here’s the story.

It was reminiscent for me of April of this year during the height of the pandemic. We decided to leave the Caribbean, and make for home waters (USA). I procedured a slip in a marina in San Juan, Puerto Rico. However, our sailing time wold have gotten us into San Juan at night, so we anchored in the harbor of Culebra, and pushed onto San Juan in the morning. The marina insisted that we go through US Customs and Border Patrol, which we were able to do via videoconference. The US agent’s first question was whether I had been in Culebra the previous day. I told the truth. He spent the next several minutes reading me the riot act about not having checked in when arriving in Culebra (they apparently have a 24/7 phone service). There was a lot of “Yes, sir”, “I apologize, sir”, “Of course, Officer”) on my part. He informed me of the fines and penalties for what I had failed to do. Fortunately, it ended there. I can only assume that many governmental agencies monitor AIS in their waters, and compare vessel names against a list of “legal” vessels.

I have two take-aways from this:

1. COVID has pushed a lot of the these island countries into getting tough. I certainly can’t blame them.

2. Local coast guards have limited patrol capabilities. I would think that they rely mostly on radar, and, when being used, AIS. If you are in any waters where you might, just MIGHT, not supposed to be, it would be best to turn off your AIS transmitter. Better to be an unknown blip on the radar screen, than a known vessel illegally in their waters.

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay


On Dec 2, 2020, at 11:54 AM, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:

Here is the letter I sent to 9nfo at bvitourism dot com

I am a long time sailor and cruiser who has been to the BVI many times over the last 40 years, both as a charter boat bareboat cruiser and on my own boat. I have spent my vacation money there on charter boat rentals, marinas, boat repairs, supplies, restaurants, auto rentals, taxis, tours... I am compelled to write to you regarding BVI's draconian treatment of sailors straying into BVI waters.  I have spoken to several sailing friends who feel the same.
 
Until I hear that the BVI has apologized to cruisers in general and those treated so rudely specifically, charges have been dropped, and rules softened to include warning only for first offense of sailing in BVI waters, I will no longer be visiting your country or supporting your economy. I understand your concerns about Corona SARs 2 virus, but that doesn't excuse treating your life's blood so poorly. You are the dog biting the hand that feeds it.
 
Sincerely,
Kent Robertson
SV Kristy
USCG Certificate 1073851
--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


--
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay


Re: ONAN replacement or not?

Dean Gillies
 

Thanks Matt, much appreciated. 

Did you install Firefly batteries in your new A50 or did you make the leap to Lithium?

Cheers, Dean
SV Stella A54-154


Re: Water ingress close to the rudder tube

Martin Birkhoff
 

Thanks Bill,

the new rudder packing is tight, There is no water ingressing at the top of the rudder stock tube.

Using a gopro camera in time lapse mode we could see the ingressing water appearing at this black structures.  Your affirm what we fear, there must have been a ground contact, may be an elder one.
I will contact Olivier. Thanks for his address.

Martin

SV Mago del Sur - 54#40


Mastervolt installation help

Billy Newport
 

I have ordered a Mastervolt DC500/Mastershunt/EasyView 5 and a SCM60. I am planning on replacing my Victron MPPT with the SCM60. My boat has an alphapro ii alternator regulator and the usual 100 and 60A chargers. I also have an EasyView 5. All of these have masterbus connections.
Is it an simple as just replacing the DC bus bars in the battery compartment with the DC500/Shunt, replace the victron with the SCM60, install the EasyView 5 in the cockpit dash, wire it all together with masterbus and voila?
I am hoping to tell all chargers to use the shunt for voltage/temperature. Can this be done without a mastervolt tech with a password for masteradjust? Is EasyView 5 sufficient to adjust all these settings?

Thanks
Billy (Amel 55#56).


Re: BVI Fines for sailing I n BVI waters

Matt Salatino
 

Thanks for the letter and contact (I figured out “info”).
I sent my own version and also posted it on a US sailing and cruising FB page.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Dec 2, 2020, at 11:54 AM, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:

Here is the letter I sent to 9nfo at bvitourism dot com

I am a long time sailor and cruiser who has been to the BVI many times over the last 40 years, both as a charter boat bareboat cruiser and on my own boat. I have spent my vacation money there on charter boat rentals, marinas, boat repairs, supplies, restaurants, auto rentals, taxis, tours... I am compelled to write to you regarding BVI's draconian treatment of sailors straying into BVI waters.  I have spoken to several sailing friends who feel the same.
 
Until I hear that the BVI has apologized to cruisers in general and those treated so rudely specifically, charges have been dropped, and rules softened to include warning only for first offense of sailing in BVI waters, I will no longer be visiting your country or supporting your economy. I understand your concerns about Corona SARs 2 virus, but that doesn't excuse treating your life's blood so poorly. You are the dog biting the hand that feeds it.
 
Sincerely,
Kent Robertson
SV Kristy
USCG Certificate 1073851
--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: ONAN replacement or not?

 

Bill,

I am a big fan of Victron and I am really impressed with the Cerbo GX. Here is a short Victron video which explains the enormous capabilities of the Cerbo GX: 
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 10:52 AM Karen Smith via groups.io <karenharmonie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Alex,

Our electrical monitoring equipment now is a Cerbo GX system from Victron.  Pretty sophisticated, and the amount of data that it keeps track of can keep a data nerd like me entertained endlessly.  

We of course know the usual stuff, battery voltage, power draw, State of Charge.  But also our the AC power usage from either shore power or inverter.  Battery charge and discharge current.  Solar production. Battery temperature. All the status data from our Victron MultiPlus and solar controller are available.  It controls the MultiPlus functions. It is connected to our NMEA 2000 network so it knows where our boat is, and the data it collects is available on our MFD.  When an online connection is available, all data collected is uploaded to Victron’s servers, so is available online even if we are off the boat. You can even control it from “the cloud.” You can request it to send you an email if there is an alarm. It can start the generator automatically based on state of charge, voltage, or current draw, and then shut it down when no longer needed.  All the data and status information is presented in a clear unified context.

We have been really happy with the Victron “eco-system” of products.  They have all performed flawlessly, and it seems every software update bring some cool new feature. I am pretty sure if they had offered a generator, we’d have installed that.  It does play well with our WhisperPower unit, however.  

One of the key parameters for us is to watch the difference between the “high” and “low” halves of the battery bank.  If they drift apart from being identical (half the nominal 24V total) that is an alert to a problem.

One of the keys to keeping a Firefly bank happy is to follow their current user manual very closely.  You have to occasionally do a deep discharge (all the way down to 21 Volts) then charge to full at 0.2 to 0.5C.  For our 464 A-hr bank, that is between 93 to 232 Amps. My understanding is that this is the Firefly equivalent to the equalization charge used for an FLA battery. We have done one of these full cycles since we installed the new system, and we got a little bit more than name plate capacity out of the batteries.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA


Re: BVI Fines for sailing I n BVI waters

Courtney Gorman
 

Nice letter 
Cheers 🍻 


On Dec 2, 2020, at 11:55 AM, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:

Oops

Info at bvitourism dot com
--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: BVI Fines for sailing I n BVI waters

karkauai
 

Oops

Info at bvitourism dot com
--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: BVI Fines for sailing I n BVI waters

karkauai
 

Here is the letter I sent to 9nfo at bvitourism dot com

I am a long time sailor and cruiser who has been to the BVI many times over the last 40 years, both as a charter boat bareboat cruiser and on my own boat. I have spent my vacation money there on charter boat rentals, marinas, boat repairs, supplies, restaurants, auto rentals, taxis, tours... I am compelled to write to you regarding BVI's draconian treatment of sailors straying into BVI waters.  I have spoken to several sailing friends who feel the same.
 
Until I hear that the BVI has apologized to cruisers in general and those treated so rudely specifically, charges have been dropped, and rules softened to include warning only for first offense of sailing in BVI waters, I will no longer be visiting your country or supporting your economy. I understand your concerns about Corona SARs 2 virus, but that doesn't excuse treating your life's blood so poorly. You are the dog biting the hand that feeds it.
 
Sincerely,
Kent Robertson
SV Kristy
USCG Certificate 1073851
karkauai@...
--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: ONAN replacement or not?

Karen Smith
 

Alex,

Our electrical monitoring equipment now is a Cerbo GX system from Victron.  Pretty sophisticated, and the amount of data that it keeps track of can keep a data nerd like me entertained endlessly.  

We of course know the usual stuff, battery voltage, power draw, State of Charge.  But also our the AC power usage from either shore power or inverter.  Battery charge and discharge current.  Solar production. Battery temperature. All the status data from our Victron MultiPlus and solar controller are available.  It controls the MultiPlus functions. It is connected to our NMEA 2000 network so it knows where our boat is, and the data it collects is available on our MFD.  When an online connection is available, all data collected is uploaded to Victron’s servers, so is available online even if we are off the boat. You can even control it from “the cloud.” You can request it to send you an email if there is an alarm. It can start the generator automatically based on state of charge, voltage, or current draw, and then shut it down when no longer needed.  All the data and status information is presented in a clear unified context.

We have been really happy with the Victron “eco-system” of products.  They have all performed flawlessly, and it seems every software update bring some cool new feature. I am pretty sure if they had offered a generator, we’d have installed that.  It does play well with our WhisperPower unit, however.  

One of the key parameters for us is to watch the difference between the “high” and “low” halves of the battery bank.  If they drift apart from being identical (half the nominal 24V total) that is an alert to a problem.

One of the keys to keeping a Firefly bank happy is to follow their current user manual very closely.  You have to occasionally do a deep discharge (all the way down to 21 Volts) then charge to full at 0.2 to 0.5C.  For our 464 A-hr bank, that is between 93 to 232 Amps. My understanding is that this is the Firefly equivalent to the equalization charge used for an FLA battery. We have done one of these full cycles since we installed the new system, and we got a little bit more than name plate capacity out of the batteries.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA


Re: BVI - a glimpse of the other side of the story

Matt Salatino
 

I agree with almost all of what you wrote, except if people are setting foot on sovereign land, then they ARE putting the country at risk. If they sail through the waters with no intention of landing, there should be no fault.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Dec 2, 2020, at 9:35 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Judy and I had our sailboat (previous to our Amel) based in the BVI for 5 years. This was before my full retirement and worked great for us. In that time I got to know the BVI and many of the fine people there, including some government officials. A few of these people are still close friends.

During that time I became aware that one of the world's most porous borders is between the BVI and the USVI. Many boats registered in the USVI would cross into the BVI daily carrying foreign charter customers for a day into the BVI with popular stops at Foxy's and the Bight. A significant number of those boats would not check in with customs and immigration. They flagrantly broke the law. The BVI has really never had sufficient Border Control Vessels so these violators got away with it.

The COVID pandemic has reached the BVI via foreign travelers to the BVI, causing death. The BVI does not have the resources to deal with this and they get almost zero outside help. The citizens of the BVI are outraged at the government's lack of control and almost all of these citizens are aware of the violators on boats from the USVI.

I assume that the BVI government is "sending a message." It is unfortunate that the frequent violators were not caught, but with limited border controls, the BVI caught the first violators they found. When governments anywhere prosecute a violator it is not uncommon that the underlying motivation is to send a message to all of the other violators.

For this reason, I will not send a letter, but respect the reasons that anyone else sends a letter. 

It is possible that the government will look at negative letters as a validation of their efforts.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: Water ingress close to the rudder tube

 

Martin,

You probably are aware that new rudder packing will need to be tightened in a few weeks.

I have seen this leaking before. As it turned out the reason for the cracks I saw were because of a grounding issue. Maybe you hit the bottom or some semisubmerged object. If I were you, I would contact Olivier Beaute and/or your insurance company. For your info, here is Olivier's contact information:
Olivier BEAUTE / ATLANTIC YACHT SURVEY
32 avenue des Corsaires
17000 LA ROCHELLE
Tel: +33 546 522 147   
olivierbeaute@...
http://atlanticyachtsurvey.com
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 5:35 AM Martin Birkhoff <mbirkhoff@...> wrote:

Dear Amelians

after renewing the packings of the stuffing box three weeks ago we recognized water ingress in the aft compartment of our 54. By drilling two inspection holes in the upper plywood cover we checked the compartment by endoscope camera. There are some black lines which seem to be cracks. We could locate three spots where water is creeping in. Two spots are more or less one inch in front and on portside of the rudder stock, the third spot is a dark area at the vertical plywood just in front of the rudder stock. This is close to the position where a copper element is entering the GRP in front of the rudder stock.

We had no grounding and as far as we know the former owner had no grounding too. Have anyone heard of a similar problem?

Martin
SV Mago del Sur - 54#40

currently Cherbourg


 


Re: BVI - a glimpse of the other side of the story

Robert Giroux <rg@...>
 

https://systems.jhu.edu/research/public-health/ncov/

British Virgin Islands, United Kingdom

Cases: 72 (positive tests)
Deaths: 1

 

 

 

Regards,

Robert Giroux

(202)262-5828

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 9:35 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] BVI - a glimpse of the other side of the story

 

Judy and I had our sailboat (previous to our Amel) based in the BVI for 5 years. This was before my full retirement and worked great for us. In that time I got to know the BVI and many of the fine people there, including some government officials. A few of these people are still close friends.

 

During that time I became aware that one of the world's most porous borders is between the BVI and the USVI. Many boats registered in the USVI would cross into the BVI daily carrying foreign charter customers for a day into the BVI with popular stops at Foxy's and the Bight. A significant number of those boats would not check in with customs and immigration. They flagrantly broke the law. The BVI has really never had sufficient Border Control Vessels so these violators got away with it.

 

The COVID pandemic has reached the BVI via foreign travelers to the BVI, causing death. The BVI does not have the resources to deal with this and they get almost zero outside help. The citizens of the BVI are outraged at the government's lack of control and almost all of these citizens are aware of the violators on boats from the USVI.

 

I assume that the BVI government is "sending a message." It is unfortunate that the frequent violators were not caught, but with limited border controls, the BVI caught the first violators they found. When governments anywhere prosecute a violator it is not uncommon that the underlying motivation is to send a message to all of the other violators.

 

For this reason, I will not send a letter, but respect the reasons that anyone else sends a letter. 

 

It is possible that the government will look at negative letters as a validation of their efforts.

 

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar


Re: ONAN replacement or not?

Alexander Ramseyer
 

Bill,

thanks for the information. Currently I still have the OEM Xantrex device that came with my 2005 AMEL54 to monitor the battery bank. Did you install a new one that goes down to each battery separately? What's your recommendation in that regard?

Best, Alex


BVI - a glimpse of the other side of the story

 

Judy and I had our sailboat (previous to our Amel) based in the BVI for 5 years. This was before my full retirement and worked great for us. In that time I got to know the BVI and many of the fine people there, including some government officials. A few of these people are still close friends.

During that time I became aware that one of the world's most porous borders is between the BVI and the USVI. Many boats registered in the USVI would cross into the BVI daily carrying foreign charter customers for a day into the BVI with popular stops at Foxy's and the Bight. A significant number of those boats would not check in with customs and immigration. They flagrantly broke the law. The BVI has really never had sufficient Border Control Vessels so these violators got away with it.

The COVID pandemic has reached the BVI via foreign travelers to the BVI, causing death. The BVI does not have the resources to deal with this and they get almost zero outside help. The citizens of the BVI are outraged at the government's lack of control and almost all of these citizens are aware of the violators on boats from the USVI.

I assume that the BVI government is "sending a message." It is unfortunate that the frequent violators were not caught, but with limited border controls, the BVI caught the first violators they found. When governments anywhere prosecute a violator it is not uncommon that the underlying motivation is to send a message to all of the other violators.

For this reason, I will not send a letter, but respect the reasons that anyone else sends a letter. 

It is possible that the government will look at negative letters as a validation of their efforts.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: ONAN replacement or not?

Matt Salatino
 

Yes.
I installed Firefly Batteries in 2017. Still doing fine. The boat was sold, but I’m in touch with the new owner.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt Salatino, S/Y Speed of Life, A50 #27

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:17 AM, Dean Gillies <stella@...> wrote:

I hear and read about so many cruisers with defective Firefly batteries. Its also clear that the manufacturer has usually replaced them under warranty after sending the customer through some testing hoops.

I have also heard the stories about previous production problems that are now 'fixed'. What evidence is there of this fix? Is there anyone on this forum that can report an incident-free experience with Firefly batteries for say two years or more? If not then I'd have to suggest that the jury is still out on reliability of Firefly batteries. 

it's good that the company has been honouring the warranty, but personally I'd prefer not to interrupt my cruising season trying to manage the logistics of getting specialist batteries replaced. 

I'm still considering my battery replacement technology.

Cheers, Dean
SV Stella A54-154

 

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