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Re: sm 53 vs 54
Jamie Wendell
Barry, I was reading this thread and saw your comment about the "Slap Silencer." You noted it was online, but where?
I have this problem with my 54, but mostly have become numb to the slapping in the aft cabin. The boat came with a very heavy canvas in a bag, and I suspect that is what it is for, but I have never tried it. Can you provide more details about your solution? Is my bag carrying the right thing, and if so how do I use it? Thanks, Jamie Phantom, A54 #44
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Re: sm 53 vs 54
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Thanks Alan Danny
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Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)
Hi Bill?
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In relation you your response in red about the Danfoss controller ... I believe you misunderstood my statement. I was referring to the current supply from the E51385 to Jamie's pump, NOT the current supply from the Danfoss controller to the E51385 which is 12V max 0.7A (because that Danfoss controller was designed to power a fan). The 12V pump Jamie referred to is specified as drawing 3.9A at 12V. The point I was trying to make is that 3.9A drawn from the E51385 to the Pump may be enough to damage the E51385. The 51385 is designed to operate at 1.2A.
I bought a spare E51385 a couple of months ago which is at home. I'm travelling at the moment, but will set it up and test on the bench in a few weeks to confirm what voltage a 'new' E51385 should supply under a 1.2A load.
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Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)
Thanks for that update Scott. As I noted previously, this measurement must be made under load conditions. The good thing is that it indicates that your 51385 is ok. Best regards, Dean
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Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)
Bill, in answer to your burning question. The 24V supply comes from the Danfoss interface on the pins adjacent to the F pins. So, numbering the pins on the pump interface From left to right as 1 thru 7. Pins 1,3 and 5 carry 24V supplied from Danfoss unit, pins 2,4 and 6 carry the F signals (0V or 12V) each of from the Danfoss controllers, pins 7 and 8 feed the pump and pin 9 is 0V (Negative battery terminal). If there is 24V on the F terminals then the Danfoss unit is indeed broken. I think this is highly unlikely. Wish I was on a boat to check too.
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Re: sm 53 vs 54
Can't help but agree with you Danny. The concurrent thread on frig pumps in the 54 is an example. I was considering doing that on Elyse when I had to replace the frig unit under the salon seat. Glad I didn't!
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Re: sm 53 vs 54
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Thanks Mohammad Danny
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Re: sm 53 vs 54
Hi Amelia, Totally agree with your spot on write up. No problem with our Volvo, thank's for the heads up on the turbo. The alternator can eat up a belt, we carry spares at about £8 each. A service engineer once recommended new pulleys. For the in harbor slapping we have a "Slap Silencer", works great. You can see it online. We can confirm that after over 3 months at anchor we are not bothered with slapping noise, it is minimal at anchor. We have a spare complete Bamar furler thanks to Mohammad and spare internal furler belts picked up in Hyeres. Only time that we have overpowered the furler is when some crewing novice furled. Visiting crew never like me as I will not let them play with the switches! Setting sails on a Amel 54 is not like any other boat. Very Best Barry and Penny "SV Lady Penelope II" Amel 54 #17 Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique
On Friday, July 3, 2020, 4:08:53 PM EDT, ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:
I have no experience of earlier Amels but my 54 which is hull 019 is a good boat without too many problems. The Volvo 110 runs sweet. The only problem so far was the Turbo boost pressure sensor that failed year 11. It was a simple swap for new in Martinique. About 350 euros. Although it took a while to diagnose the problem. I did replace the 175a alternator and have had a bit of dust from the twin belts, but I realigned it last year so fingers crossed. The Bamar furler for the genoa is a bit undersized but if one de powers the sail it is fine. One must not reef under load, so ease the sheet enough to be able to reef and then sheet in. I like the layout, the aft cabin is gorgeous. My only complaint is the slap under the counter which can be noisy in the aft cabin whilst in bed but not at anchor in my experience, mostly in harbour. In light winds she will go if well trimmed. In stronger winds she is great and with a bit of beam aft can really carry sail on a broad reach. She can do 200 miles a day. She is a big comfortable mile eater. I think that compared to the 53 she is slightly closer winded and a bit faster due to her waterline length and sail area displacement ratio. Slightly bigger boat with more volume, but apparently less storage. In my opinion there is tons of storage.... She is also easy on the eye in my opinion. Amelia Amel 54-019 Kilada Greece On 3 Jul 2020, at 06:20, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:
Hi all. After 10 years and 50,000 + off shore miles in Ocean Pearl SM 299 I thought strongly and seriously about stepping up to a 54. However I was put off by following the posts on this site It seemed I would be buying trouble. While I had positive experience of 20 years with volvo the 110hp volvo in the 54 seemed a serious problem. The bamar furlers another issue Likewise the multitude of electrical and electronic issues. Also although I could possibly have avoided them, the number of 54 that had electronic and electrical upgrades concerned me. Complexity is an archilies heel in a yacht that cruises the more far flung regions. Rightly or wrongly I felt that many of these 54s were being converted into marina hopping med or Caribbean vessels Lastly, after considering all this I returned to my belief that in the SM, which was the culmination of a life dedicated to designing the perfect yacht for a couple to sail around the world, Henry had indeed done just that. So I remain the proud and happy owner of SM 299. Danny Ocean Pearl Mangonui New Zealand On 03 July 2020 at 10:11 Trevor Lusty <trevlusty@...> wrote:
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Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)
Scott SV Tengah
OK my mistake on measuring voltage. I do, in fact, get 12.85v under load at the Frigoboat E51385 interface pump output. I was "hoping" that it was 25v so that I could put in a simple voltage divider and hopefully solve my problem.
Back to finding a brushless motor that works. -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah http://www.svtengah.com
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Re: sm 53 vs 54
I have no experience of earlier Amels but my 54 which is hull 019 is a good boat without too many problems. The Volvo 110 runs sweet. The only problem so far was the Turbo boost pressure sensor that failed year 11. It was a simple swap for new in Martinique. About 350 euros. Although it took a while to diagnose the problem.
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I did replace the 175a alternator and have had a bit of dust from the twin belts, but I realigned it last year so fingers crossed. The Bamar furler for the genoa is a bit undersized but if one de powers the sail it is fine. One must not reef under load, so ease the sheet enough to be able to reef and then sheet in. I like the layout, the aft cabin is gorgeous. My only complaint is the slap under the counter which can be noisy in the aft cabin whilst in bed but not at anchor in my experience, mostly in harbour. In light winds she will go if well trimmed. In stronger winds she is great and with a bit of beam aft can really carry sail on a broad reach. She can do 200 miles a day. She is a big comfortable mile eater. I think that compared to the 53 she is slightly closer winded and a bit faster due to her waterline length and sail area displacement ratio. Slightly bigger boat with more volume, but apparently less storage. In my opinion there is tons of storage.... She is also easy on the eye in my opinion. Amelia Amel 54-019 Kilada Greece
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Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)
Jamie, I wish I was on your 54 with you because I have a burning question about all of this. and I have a recommendation for you. My burning question: If you see the schematic in my previous post in this thread, you will notice the schematic from a Frigoboat manual. The source of the voltage output from the E51385 blue box to the water pump originates in this schematic with each of the Danfoss Compressor Controllers at the F terminal. In fact, the two wires for each fridge unit come directly from the Danfoss to the E51385. The Frigoboat manual clearly states, regardless of the voltage of the fridge the output on the two F terminals is 12 volts. BTW, the Danfoss operates on 12 or 24 volts, but always outputs 12 volts to Terminal F. Have you checked the output voltage on each of the Danfoss on terminal F and the terminal next to it? I do not see any other way that the E51385 blue box can output 24 volts and if there is 24 volts on the Danfoss fan terminals, I suspect something is wrong with the Danfoss. My recommendation: Why don't you do this eliminating the E51385 and eliminate the limitation on amps on the Danfoss terminal F, and run a 24-volt pump??:
On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:02 PM Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote: OK, my "final" update on the Flojet pump and Frigoboat E51385 interface. I cannot explain it, but the interface is definitely out-putting 24 volts to the pump at all times.
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Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)
Jamie Wendell
OK, my "final" update on the Flojet pump and Frigoboat E51385 interface. I cannot explain it, but the interface is definitely out-putting 24 volts to the pump at all times.
Maybe my interface is malfunctioning, so I installed a solid-state relay and a DC converter to step the voltage down to 12 volts. I used a 24-volt relay in place of the E51385 pump connection and then feed the converter and pump via the live 24-volt terminal box in the engine room. The relay simply engages the pump when the compressors call for it. A bit more complicated than I would like but the pump runs perfectly now and obviously I no longer get the pump overload signals at the interface. The higher capacity pump may draw more power, but it really cools down the 3 refrigerator units fast. My next task is to get the brushless motor working to replace the Flojet motor. I will drive it directly via the 24-volt terminal block and eliminate the DC converter. Until then I am "over and out" regarding this perplexing issue with the E51385. I really appreciate all the suggestions and assistance, but will report once I have the brushless motor controller operational. That will be the gold standard. Jamie Phantom, A54 #44
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Bamar EJF Furler
amel46met
Hello Group
Tom Deasy APHRODITE Maramu 1983 #125 I am having a problem with my electric furler, four years old and several thousand miles.It will unroll about 2 feet and stop it will not roll back up. Is it possible for me to disassemble to see the problem could it be the brushes or possibly corrosion with the paws or the electrical brake system any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Tom Deasy
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Re: crappy job ahead of me....... santorin waste pipe
Hi Eric,
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Sounds like you have a perfectly good system that just needs repair, so I’m not advocating this for you but just thought I would take this opportunity to share my experiences with a composting toilet. I do think Craig is right, in that our Santorin had no stock holding tanks. There is a small tank for the aft head located in the life raft locker and no tank forward in the forward head. After converting a typically troublesome and odorous holding tank system on my Newport 41 a few years ago to a composting toilet and finding it works remarkably well and is infinitely preferable to a standard tank, I lugged an Airhead composting toilet to Greece last summer to install on Liesse. I didn’t get around to it so it’s sitting in the lazarette at the moment waiting to be installed in the forward head but if not for a lack of headroom it could actually be used back there! I have found the composting toilet to be odor free, easy to clean and maintain, and my only criticism is that when heeling it is difficult to keep urine from running around the little dam into the solids container. It’s amazingly comforting to know the you will ALWAYS have a functional head! We’re heading to Turkey when it’s possible and not sure how they will view the composting toilet in their blue card scheme... Good luck w the repair. Dave Bruce Liesse SN006
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Re: sm 53 vs 54
james Hosford
Absolutely. And that was just the point of the question wanted to hear the opinions of owners and why they have those opinions. Thank you so much, this whole group is such a great value to those of us considering our purchase options and even greater value to current owners
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Re: sm 53 vs 54
Mohammad Shirloo
We had the read the same issues raised about Volvo in the 54, prior to our purchase. Upon further research and discussions with people who know the actual number of 54s that have had issues with their Volvo, it was our conclusion that statistically, the percentage of serious issues, were low. Also, we figured that in the worst case scenario, we could repower with a new engine and the advantages and extra comforts of the 54 were worth the potential risk.
In our 5 years of cruising, we have not had any issues, other than normal maintenance and the Volvo has been very reliable. When we started to search for a cruising boat and in the 4 year process that ended up in the selection of the 54, we would not have imagined selecting a boat that we would be as impressed with as we are today. She continues to show her talents more and more as we have more time on board.
As everyone has reiterated, most of these decisions are personal and very much dependent on importance of the differences in the designs.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of james Hosford via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2020 8:31 AM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54
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Re: crappy job ahead of me....... santorin waste pipe
Hi Eric,
I don't believe Amel put holding tanks in SN's so, like ours, yours was likely done by a prior owner. (Just the forward was done when we got our boat - I later did a 2nd tank in the aft head.) From your question it sounds like your tank is behind the outboard panel with the openings for the storage shelf. If so, removal of the wall would depend on how whoever installed the tank did it in the first place. On mine, it requires removal of the sink wood crossmembers for the towel rack, the medicine cabinet, plus some perimeter trim, then reaching inside the cubby openingings to remove a few screws. Not too difficult. The tank simply sits on one of the original shelves and the plumbing is readily accessible once the panel is off. I redid mine with PVC which I'd highly recommend for a multi-decade no-odor fix. That being said, I recall several posts of other SN owners installing tanks in various other positions, like under the towel bars. What's the configuration on your SN? Craig PS I forgot to mention the original panel was fiberglassed to the shelves, so that has to be cut open the first time the panel is removed. Upon replacing, use wood blocks and screws to fasten it. A FINE Multi-tool or equivalent will cut the fiberglass tabbing nicely.
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Re: sm 53 vs 54
james Hosford
Thanks for your reply
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Re: Skarki Headspace / Celing Height
marklesparkle59
Hi Ros, I am about 1735mm tall, I have spare height in the heads and aft cabin and I touch the ceiling in the forecabin, I do have 5mm of insulation stuck to the ceilings which most Sharki''s don't have. I might be able to measure next week. Mark Porter Sea Hobo Sharki 96 Cargreen UK Sent from my Samsung device
-------- Original message -------- From: Ros Corcoran <roscorcoran@...> Date: 03/07/2020 12:54 (GMT+00:00) To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Skarki Headspace / Celing Height Hi Guys, I am late to the party but I have the same questions as MATTHIAS, thank you very much for the already very useful measurements. I am wondering the headroom in the head and also in the aft cabin and forward cabin? I find it hard to measure those heights from the PDF. Thank you
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Re: Skarki Headspace / Celing Height
Gerhard Mueller
The headroom in the head is 180 centimeter and in the aft cabin is 160 centimeter and forward cabin is 184 centimeter.
All measured at highest places. -- Gerhard Mueller Amel Sharki #60 Currently Kalamata, Greece
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