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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] boat preparation for summer in trinidad

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Hello Herbert.

Kali Mera is the finest Santorin I have seen. You have treated hewr like Mr. Amel would want an Amel treated.

I cannot answer from experience on the hard, but we have been in the water in Trinidad at a Marina

Yes, it is humid, the sea water is generally filthy with sea chest blocking stuff, and lots of barnacles. We left the boat for about 3 weeks on a trip to Peru. We rented a house type window style AC to control humidity for a trip away from BeBe. There were several vendors in Trinidad that rented these. We opened the salon hatch and with tape, styrofoam, and plastic had the AC blowing into the Salon. The AC kept the boat dry inside. We did not open cabinets, but left refrigerator and freezer open. A dehumidifier would have been better, but there were none. If you rent a dehumidifier, make sure it turns itself back on after power loss. If it drains into the gray water tank, make sure the pump is ON.

You probably would not take down all of your sails for a few months, but I would take them down for 6 months. If you have a cover for your windshield, use it to prevent too much UV from the sun. I do not know about insects in the yard, but they are certainly in Trinidad... Ask the yard because termites could cause a total loss. 

If you are going to be at Peaks or PowerBoats, ask them what people do to their boats. They may rent equipment to help you.

We will be there at Crews Inn Marina and can visit your boat each month.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 23, 2016 2:38 PM, "herbert@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

we will leave KALI MERA in Trinidad on the hard for 6 months this summer. Until now we are only experienced how to "winterize" a boat, not to "summerize" it, as we do not know how the boat "behaves" in the hot and humid climate we have some questions.

1.) Should we put the main and mizzen down and store it in the boat or should we just roll it in completely? During the cold season in Europe we always wash it, dry it and store it in the boat, but maybe it is here better to leave it in the mast?
2.) are you using a dehumidifier (if possible we want to avoid that, but we also do not want to get mold inside...)
3.) should everything inside be open or closed (chests...)
4.) is there something special to do to avoid bugs, ants... coming into the boat?
5.) anything else that is important to avoid problems from the humidity / sun

thank you very much for your help,


tadeja and herbert
KALI MERA, SN120
currently Tobago Cays



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Motor Run Capacitor Specifications

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Ok sorry, just started to read.

Alexandre



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On Sat, 4/23/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Motor Run Capacitor Specifications
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 23, 2016, 1:47 PM


 









Alex,
20mfd may be correct for your situation. Gary
has a 160 liter 230VAC, and was discussing the capacitor for
the Low Pressure Pump.
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

Sent from my tablet

+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On Apr 23, 2016 2:38
PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Good afternoon Gary,



I just look at the invoice from Great Water (Jan 2015) where
I order spares hose, o ring, etc. for my DUO 60 water maker
and the Capacitor shows as 20 Mfrds.

Of course hope it is correct part from Great Water.



Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sat, 4/23/16, amelliahona <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Motor Run Capacitor
Specifications

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Saturday, April 23, 2016, 9:26 AM





 



















Hello All:  

Since we don't seem to have a

specific answer as to the correct size of the run
capacitor

on the BP pump of the watermaker, I have done a little

research.  If we know the voltage, the amp draw under
load

or the motor horsepower, there is a formula to calculate
the

microfarad rating.  Alternatively one can place
different

size capacitors and measure motor operating temperature

under load with the lowest temperature being the goal
and

signaling the correct size capacitor, theoretically.

 

That said, if someone is

aboard their boat and can turn on their watermaker and
tell

me what the amperage draw is with just the BP pump
running

(i.e. when you first turn on the watermaker before the
high

pressure pump starts) that would help settle this issue.

 

Also, I did finally find a

source for capacitors here in the USA with a stud mount
and

wire leads. 

http://store.eurtonelectric.com/capacitorscbb60-d1450vac.aspx

http colon // store.eurtonelectric dot

com

Eurton

Electric Online Store







Eurton

Electric Online Store CAPACITORS

CBB60-D1 450VAC





View on store.eurtonelectr...





Preview by Yahoo

 Not sure how that will

come across on yahoo.

Getting

closer to the answer. Thanks to anyone who can verify
the

current draw of the BP pump motor.

All the best, 

Gary S. SIlver s/v Liahona  

 Amel SM #335   Fajardo PR



















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Motor Run Capacitor Specifications

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

20mfd may be correct for your situation. Gary has a 160 liter 230VAC, and was discussing the capacitor for the Low Pressure Pump.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 23, 2016 2:38 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good afternoon Gary,

I just look at the invoice from Great Water (Jan 2015) where I order spares hose, o ring, etc. for my DUO 60 water maker and the Capacitor shows as 20 Mfrds.
Of course hope it is correct part from Great Water.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 4/23/16, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Motor Run Capacitor Specifications
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, April 23, 2016, 9:26 AM


 









Hello All:  
Since we don't seem to have a
specific answer as to the correct size of the run capacitor
on the BP pump of the watermaker, I have done a little
research.  If we know the voltage, the amp draw under load
or the motor horsepower, there is a formula to calculate the
microfarad rating.  Alternatively one can place different
size capacitors and measure motor operating temperature
under load with the lowest temperature being the goal and
signaling the correct size capacitor, theoretically.
 
That said, if someone is
aboard their boat and can turn on their watermaker and tell
me what the amperage draw is with just the BP pump running
(i.e. when you first turn on the watermaker before the high
pressure pump starts) that would help settle this issue.
 
Also, I did finally find a
source for capacitors here in the USA with a stud mount and
wire leads. 
http://store.eurtonelectric.com/capacitorscbb60-d1450vac.aspx
http colon // store.eurtonelectric dot
com
Eurton
Electric Online Store



Eurton
Electric Online Store CAPACITORS
CBB60-D1 450VAC


View on store.eurtonelectr...


Preview by Yahoo
 Not sure how that will
come across on yahoo.
Getting
closer to the answer. Thanks to anyone who can verify the
current draw of the BP pump motor.
All the best, 
Gary S. SIlver s/v Liahona  
 Amel SM #335   Fajardo PR









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Water Maker for Santorin

Herbert Lackner
 

before sailing to the pacific next year we want to install a water maker on our santorin, we want to install an echotec 70 l / hour, 220 V.   We are still not sure where to install the tube/membran (120cm) and the pump, currently I plan to install it in the engine room behind the batteries. The see-water input could be taken from the sea cock for the toilet next to the aft-cabin.  sea water outlet with an additional Y-valve to the hose that drains the bilge.

It would be a very good help if we could get Input from other Santorin Owners where they installed the water maker, what model they choose and what experiences they made, good and bad..., any recommendations are more than welcome!

thank you very much,

tadeja and herbert
SN 120, KALI MERA

 

 




boat preparation for summer in trinidad

Herbert Lackner
 

we will leave KALI MERA in Trinidad on the hard for 6 months this summer. Until now we are only experienced how to "winterize" a boat, not to "summerize" it, as we do not know how the boat "behaves" in the hot and humid climate we have some questions.

1.) Should we put the main and mizzen down and store it in the boat or should we just roll it in completely? During the cold season in Europe we always wash it, dry it and store it in the boat, but maybe it is here better to leave it in the mast?
2.) are you using a dehumidifier (if possible we want to avoid that, but we also do not want to get mold inside...)
3.) should everything inside be open or closed (chests...)
4.) is there something special to do to avoid bugs, ants... coming into the boat?
5.) anything else that is important to avoid problems from the humidity / sun

thank you very much for your help,


tadeja and herbert
KALI MERA, SN120
currently Tobago Cays



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Motor Run Capacitor Specifications

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Gary,

I just look at the invoice from Great Water (Jan 2015) where I order spares hose, o ring, etc. for my DUO 60 water maker and the Capacitor shows as 20 Mfrds.
Of course hope it is correct part from Great Water.

Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 4/23/16, amelliahona <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Motor Run Capacitor Specifications
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 23, 2016, 9:26 AM


 









Hello All:  
Since we don't seem to have a
specific answer as to the correct size of the run capacitor
on the BP pump of the watermaker, I have done a little
research.  If we know the voltage, the amp draw under load
or the motor horsepower, there is a formula to calculate the
microfarad rating.  Alternatively one can place different
size capacitors and measure motor operating temperature
under load with the lowest temperature being the goal and
signaling the correct size capacitor, theoretically.
 
That said, if someone is
aboard their boat and can turn on their watermaker and tell
me what the amperage draw is with just the BP pump running
(i.e. when you first turn on the watermaker before the high
pressure pump starts) that would help settle this issue.
 
Also, I did finally find a
source for capacitors here in the USA with a stud mount and
wire leads. 
http://store.eurtonelectric.com/capacitorscbb60-d1450vac.aspx
http colon // store.eurtonelectric dot
com
Eurton
Electric Online Store



Eurton
Electric Online Store CAPACITORS
CBB60-D1 450VAC


View on store.eurtonelectr...


Preview by Yahoo
 Not sure how that will
come across on yahoo.
Getting
closer to the answer. Thanks to anyone who can verify the
current draw of the BP pump motor.
All the best, 
Gary S. SIlver s/v Liahona  
 Amel SM #335   Fajardo PR









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hauling SM with Lifting Plates

pepinoamel <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Andrew,


Thanks for the picture.  You used much shorter strops than I plan to use.  Did you have to remove the triadic stay?  In the picture it appears that you left the main backstay and topping lift in place.  Is that so?  Did you put extra shackles on one side?


Many thanks.


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Evia, Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hauling SM with Lifting Plates

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Hi all

 

I uploaded a photo of the lift out of our boat before we bought it and it was being surveyed, though it might be helpful.

 

Andrew

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/282978836/lightbox/831774444?orderBy=ordinal&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/831774444

 

 

Ronpische

SM 472

Canet–en-Roussillon

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: 23 April 2016 18:11
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hauling SM with Lifting Plates

 

 

Hi all Bill is right the spreader beams are use with a tall crane lift. Not a Travel lift. 

Regards

Capt Richard Piller


On Apr 23, 2016, at 08:59, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Spreader beams are only helpful if the spreader beams are located high enough to be above the masts. I would recommend spreader beams wide enough to attach to the outside of the guardrail and wide enough to totally miss the guardrail. You might want to add some protection for scratching to the guardrail near the cables.

If spreader beams are used, then all of the complexities and warnings I wrote still apply, except for the series of shakles, Main Mast Backstay, and Boom Lift.

Remember if your boat is full of fuel and water you are adding about 2 tons...empty is best.

And, one other caution. I used the lifting points because I had no other option where we were. I know that Amel uses them during the build process, but that is a significantly lighter boat than any of ours. I do not think that I have anything that states that they can be used to haul a boat. If someone has this, please share it.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 23, 2016 8:04 AM, "Richard Piller richard03801@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi regarding lifting on the AMEL plates. If the lift people have a spreader beams as wide or wider then your beam that is a better solution. The boat is lifted straight up on long cable/ straps. It's a good question to ask them. We helped an owner in Corsica do with Spreader beams. 

Regards

Capt Richard Piller


On Apr 23, 2016, at 07:34, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Gerhard,

We did this one time while loading onto the deck of a cargo ship in 2011.

We had to either disconnect the Tradic Stay between the mizzen and Main Mast, or find a solution so that the cables did not touch the Triadic Stay.

We chose to avoid the Triatic by tilting the boat:
We used 3 large shacles, connected in series on the two Port side lifting points and one shackle on Starboard. This gave us a tilt to Port when we lifted.

We disconnected the Main Sail Boom topping lift and the the Main Sail Backstay.

We connected 12 meter cables (approximately) to each shackle on Starboard, and to last of of the series of shakles on Port. The other end of each of these cables was connected to a single shackle on the crane cable.

When we lifted the boat, it tilted to Port enough that the Triadic Stay was clear of the crane cable. I am fairly certain that each of the lifting points were connected inside the liferail.

This is not a simple job and I believe it requires a team of 6-8 people who completely understand the task. The shackles and cables need to be certified to lift the weight. Care needs to be taken because the cables and shackles are heavy and may swing in the wind or when the crane moves. As they are being moved into place each cable should be controlled by one person. He should control it with a line attached to the shakle until it is low enough to handle directly. Hardhats and heavy gloves are a minimum for each of the team. Also, on the deck, there should be the person directing the crane operator and all of the crew. At minimum, there should be one extra person on deck to assist with shakle attachment.

I would NOT RECEMMEND doing this job without all of the things I mentioned above plus a very experienced Loadmaster to oversee the entire operation.

If I had to do it over, I would disconnect the Triadic Stay to eliminate the complexity of what we did by tilting the boat.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 23, 2016 2:06 AM, "pepinoamel" <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,

 

I am planning to get hauled out with a mobile crane using the Amel lifting plates.  The Amel instruction book recommends a minimum of 6m straps and an extra shackle for the straps on the side away from the crane to avoid the triadic stay.  I plan to use 20m steel straps so the crane hook is way over the triadic stay and the boat can be  lifted  evenly.  Has anybody had experience using this method?

 

Thanks.

 

Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Evia, Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hauling SM with Lifting Plates

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Hi all Bill is right the spreader beams are use with a tall crane lift. Not a Travel lift. 

Regards
Capt Richard Piller

On Apr 23, 2016, at 08:59, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Spreader beams are only helpful if the spreader beams are located high enough to be above the masts. I would recommend spreader beams wide enough to attach to the outside of the guardrail and wide enough to totally miss the guardrail. You might want to add some protection for scratching to the guardrail near the cables.

If spreader beams are used, then all of the complexities and warnings I wrote still apply, except for the series of shakles, Main Mast Backstay, and Boom Lift.

Remember if your boat is full of fuel and water you are adding about 2 tons...empty is best.

And, one other caution. I used the lifting points because I had no other option where we were. I know that Amel uses them during the build process, but that is a significantly lighter boat than any of ours. I do not think that I have anything that states that they can be used to haul a boat. If someone has this, please share it.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 23, 2016 8:04 AM, "Richard Piller richard03801@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi regarding lifting on the AMEL plates. If the lift people have a spreader beams as wide or wider then your beam that is a better solution. The boat is lifted straight up on long cable/ straps. It's a good question to ask them. We helped an owner in Corsica do with Spreader beams. 

Regards
Capt Richard Piller

On Apr 23, 2016, at 07:34, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Gerhard,

We did this one time while loading onto the deck of a cargo ship in 2011.

We had to either disconnect the Tradic Stay between the mizzen and Main Mast, or find a solution so that the cables did not touch the Triadic Stay.

We chose to avoid the Triatic by tilting the boat:
We used 3 large shacles, connected in series on the two Port side lifting points and one shackle on Starboard. This gave us a tilt to Port when we lifted.

We disconnected the Main Sail Boom topping lift and the the Main Sail Backstay.

We connected 12 meter cables (approximately) to each shackle on Starboard, and to last of of the series of shakles on Port. The other end of each of these cables was connected to a single shackle on the crane cable.

When we lifted the boat, it tilted to Port enough that the Triadic Stay was clear of the crane cable. I am fairly certain that each of the lifting points were connected inside the liferail.

This is not a simple job and I believe it requires a team of 6-8 people who completely understand the task. The shackles and cables need to be certified to lift the weight. Care needs to be taken because the cables and shackles are heavy and may swing in the wind or when the crane moves. As they are being moved into place each cable should be controlled by one person. He should control it with a line attached to the shakle until it is low enough to handle directly. Hardhats and heavy gloves are a minimum for each of the team. Also, on the deck, there should be the person directing the crane operator and all of the crew. At minimum, there should be one extra person on deck to assist with shakle attachment.

I would NOT RECEMMEND doing this job without all of the things I mentioned above plus a very experienced Loadmaster to oversee the entire operation.

If I had to do it over, I would disconnect the Triadic Stay to eliminate the complexity of what we did by tilting the boat.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Apr 23, 2016 2:06 AM, "pepinoamel" <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,


I am planning to get hauled out with a mobile crane using the Amel lifting plates.  The Amel instruction book recommends a minimum of 6m straps and an extra shackle for the straps on the side away from the crane to avoid the triadic stay.  I plan to use 20m steel straps so the crane hook is way over the triadic stay and the boat can be  lifted  evenly.  Has anybody had experience using this method?


Thanks.


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Evia, Greece


Motor Run Capacitor Specifications

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hello All:  


Since we don't seem to have a specific answer as to the correct size of the run capacitor on the BP pump of the watermaker, I have done a little research.  If we know the voltage, the amp draw under load or the motor horsepower, there is a formula to calculate the microfarad rating.  Alternatively one can place different size capacitors and measure motor operating temperature under load with the lowest temperature being the goal and signaling the correct size capacitor, theoretically.  


That said, if someone is aboard their boat and can turn on their watermaker and tell me what the amperage draw is with just the BP pump running (i.e. when you first turn on the watermaker before the high pressure pump starts) that would help settle this issue.  


Also, I did finally find a source for capacitors here in the USA with a stud mount and wire leads. 


http://store.eurtonelectric.com/capacitorscbb60-d1450vac.aspx

http colon // store.eurtonelectric dot com


Eurton Electric Online Store

 Not sure how that will come across on yahoo.


Getting closer to the answer. Thanks to anyone who can verify the current draw of the BP pump motor.


All the best, 


Gary S. SIlver 

s/v Liahona    Amel SM #335   Fajardo PR


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hydraulic Shaft Brake Actuator Overhaul Parts

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Eric:  Thanks for the confirmation of what I am seeing in the diagram concerning all the seals and hydraulic fluid being in the end nearest the brake pads.  From your experience were there just o-rings on that business end or were there lip or other types of more complex seals that I will need?

Is the diagram posted on this site somewhere? 

All the best, 
Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona   Amel SM #335


Re: Hauling SM with Lifting Plates

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Gerhard,

We've not tried the extra shackle method, although it sounds good. The only kerfuffle I see might be leveling the boat onto the jack stands or cradle, as it will be leaning to one side, although the crane operator should be able to unload the weight onto the keel and allow the high side cables to slacken as the boat levels out.  

We've simply undone the lower ends of the triactic, backstay and boomlift each time. By slacking the mizzen backstays the triactic tension is released and you can just scoot up the mizzen and pop the tiractic clevis pin - take a messenger line so you can pull it back up later.

One time the yard used a spreader bar, as Richard recommended - their's was actually an X shaped steel assemblage about the width of our beam. It is an excellent technique and the cables can be much shorter (the 6m length recommended by Amel is to create a "nice" angle to the lifting hook so the cable load is less). 

The yard we used also had "soft cables" - a hi-tech rope inside a soft woven cover - which eliminated concern about steel cables scratching the railing. Other times steel cables straight up to the crane hook were used. In either case, as the crane hook is lifted and the cables straighten out, it becomes readily apparent whether the lead should be inside or outside of the rail and you can easily change it if necessary.  

I find this method far superior than the usual travel lift straps - especially for relaunch as your fresh $$$ bottom paint doesn't get smooshed. Plus, on lifting from the water you don't have to worry about someone getting a strap placed in the wrong position, crushing a thru-hull fitting, transducer, or worse.  I'm working on getting a yard to use cables on their travel lift instead of slings, but so far they "don't get it" - old dogs and new tricks.

Have fun with it,
Craig Briggs, Sangaris SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :

Hi all,


I am planning to get hauled out with a mobile crane using the Amel lifting plates.  The Amel instruction book recommends a minimum of 6m straps and an extra shackle for the straps on the side away from the crane to avoid the triadic stay.  I plan to use 20m steel straps so the crane hook is way over the triadic stay and the boat can be  lifted  evenly.  Has anybody had experience using this method?


Thanks.


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Evia, Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hauling SM with Lifting Plates

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Spreader beams are only helpful if the spreader beams are located high enough to be above the masts. I would recommend spreader beams wide enough to attach to the outside of the guardrail and wide enough to totally miss the guardrail. You might want to add some protection for scratching to the guardrail near the cables.

If spreader beams are used, then all of the complexities and warnings I wrote still apply, except for the series of shakles, Main Mast Backstay, and Boom Lift.

Remember if your boat is full of fuel and water you are adding about 2 tons...empty is best.

And, one other caution. I used the lifting points because I had no other option where we were. I know that Amel uses them during the build process, but that is a significantly lighter boat than any of ours. I do not think that I have anything that states that they can be used to haul a boat. If someone has this, please share it.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 23, 2016 8:04 AM, "Richard Piller richard03801@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi regarding lifting on the AMEL plates. If the lift people have a spreader beams as wide or wider then your beam that is a better solution. The boat is lifted straight up on long cable/ straps. It's a good question to ask them. We helped an owner in Corsica do with Spreader beams. 

Regards
Capt Richard Piller

On Apr 23, 2016, at 07:34, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Gerhard,

We did this one time while loading onto the deck of a cargo ship in 2011.

We had to either disconnect the Tradic Stay between the mizzen and Main Mast, or find a solution so that the cables did not touch the Triadic Stay.

We chose to avoid the Triatic by tilting the boat:
We used 3 large shacles, connected in series on the two Port side lifting points and one shackle on Starboard. This gave us a tilt to Port when we lifted.

We disconnected the Main Sail Boom topping lift and the the Main Sail Backstay.

We connected 12 meter cables (approximately) to each shackle on Starboard, and to last of of the series of shakles on Port. The other end of each of these cables was connected to a single shackle on the crane cable.

When we lifted the boat, it tilted to Port enough that the Triadic Stay was clear of the crane cable. I am fairly certain that each of the lifting points were connected inside the liferail.

This is not a simple job and I believe it requires a team of 6-8 people who completely understand the task. The shackles and cables need to be certified to lift the weight. Care needs to be taken because the cables and shackles are heavy and may swing in the wind or when the crane moves. As they are being moved into place each cable should be controlled by one person. He should control it with a line attached to the shakle until it is low enough to handle directly. Hardhats and heavy gloves are a minimum for each of the team. Also, on the deck, there should be the person directing the crane operator and all of the crew. At minimum, there should be one extra person on deck to assist with shakle attachment.

I would NOT RECEMMEND doing this job without all of the things I mentioned above plus a very experienced Loadmaster to oversee the entire operation.

If I had to do it over, I would disconnect the Triadic Stay to eliminate the complexity of what we did by tilting the boat.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 23, 2016 2:06 AM, "pepinoamel" <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,


I am planning to get hauled out with a mobile crane using the Amel lifting plates.  The Amel instruction book recommends a minimum of 6m straps and an extra shackle for the straps on the side away from the crane to avoid the triadic stay.  I plan to use 20m steel straps so the crane hook is way over the triadic stay and the boat can be  lifted  evenly.  Has anybody had experience using this method?


Thanks.


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Evia, Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hydraulic Shaft Brake Actuator Overhaul Parts

eric freedman
 

Gary,

My problem was that the brake would not hold the disk.

I also changed the brake pads.

Yes the fluid is in the end closest to the brake pads. The spring should be dry.

The O rings are off the shelf rings.

I would just remove the unit and bring it to a place that sells o rings and replace them all. That is what I did.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 1:46 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hydraulic Shaft Brake Actuator Overhaul Parts

 

 

Eric:  

 

Ah Ha!  Found it.  It looks like all the seals/o-rings are on the plunger end and that there is no seal on the end cap where the adjusting bolt goes.  In fact, based on that diagram, there should be no hydraulic fluid in the cavity with the spring.  Do you concur?  I'll try to figure out what the following seals or O-rings means:

 

porteurs 2.5 X 5

porteurs 62/20X2.5X5.6

CSC 20X26X5.5

EVCO RSE  74X65/4X8

 

What were the symptoms of your system that warranted your changing the spring?

Did Amel have a kit of seals/O-rings?

 

Thanks Eric.  Sorry to have not seen the page 2. 

 

Gary

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] In Water Hurricane Lay Up

Stephen Davis
 

Ian,

We had our SM in Brunswick Landing marina summer before last. It was a good hurricane hole, and they have not had a hurricane there for a very long time. 

They do have a small yard that could haul you right next door, but the yard has a horrible reputation, and you would be safer in the water. 

We thought the marina was a great and inexpensive spot for hurricane season. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72 
Currently in Martinique

On Apr 23, 2016, at 07:12, francesringley@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Check out hole 3 in Georgetown, Exuma. Contact Bob Cronin at aka allis House. I would stay there if my insurance company would cooperate. There are a couple of yards in Long Island for haul out, including a marine railway.


Kent, I assume are you happy with Brunswick Landing. I am considering going there. Do they have the capacity to pull boats out of the water in the event of an approaching storm? Would you want or need to?

Ian Townsend
SM 153 Loca Lola II


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hauling SM with Lifting Plates

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Hi regarding lifting on the AMEL plates. If the lift people have a spreader beams as wide or wider then your beam that is a better solution. The boat is lifted straight up on long cable/ straps. It's a good question to ask them. We helped an owner in Corsica do with Spreader beams. 

Regards
Capt Richard Piller

On Apr 23, 2016, at 07:34, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Gerhard,

We did this one time while loading onto the deck of a cargo ship in 2011.

We had to either disconnect the Tradic Stay between the mizzen and Main Mast, or find a solution so that the cables did not touch the Triadic Stay.

We chose to avoid the Triatic by tilting the boat:
We used 3 large shacles, connected in series on the two Port side lifting points and one shackle on Starboard. This gave us a tilt to Port when we lifted.

We disconnected the Main Sail Boom topping lift and the the Main Sail Backstay.

We connected 12 meter cables (approximately) to each shackle on Starboard, and to last of of the series of shakles on Port. The other end of each of these cables was connected to a single shackle on the crane cable.

When we lifted the boat, it tilted to Port enough that the Triadic Stay was clear of the crane cable. I am fairly certain that each of the lifting points were connected inside the liferail.

This is not a simple job and I believe it requires a team of 6-8 people who completely understand the task. The shackles and cables need to be certified to lift the weight. Care needs to be taken because the cables and shackles are heavy and may swing in the wind or when the crane moves. As they are being moved into place each cable should be controlled by one person. He should control it with a line attached to the shakle until it is low enough to handle directly. Hardhats and heavy gloves are a minimum for each of the team. Also, on the deck, there should be the person directing the crane operator and all of the crew. At minimum, there should be one extra person on deck to assist with shakle attachment.

I would NOT RECEMMEND doing this job without all of the things I mentioned above plus a very experienced Loadmaster to oversee the entire operation.

If I had to do it over, I would disconnect the Triadic Stay to eliminate the complexity of what we did by tilting the boat.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 23, 2016 2:06 AM, "pepinoamel" <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,


I am planning to get hauled out with a mobile crane using the Amel lifting plates.  The Amel instruction book recommends a minimum of 6m straps and an extra shackle for the straps on the side away from the crane to avoid the triadic stay.  I plan to use 20m steel straps so the crane hook is way over the triadic stay and the boat can be  lifted  evenly.  Has anybody had experience using this method?


Thanks.


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Evia, Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hauling SM with Lifting Plates

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Gerhard,

We did this one time while loading onto the deck of a cargo ship in 2011.

We had to either disconnect the Tradic Stay between the mizzen and Main Mast, or find a solution so that the cables did not touch the Triadic Stay.

We chose to avoid the Triatic by tilting the boat:
We used 3 large shacles, connected in series on the two Port side lifting points and one shackle on Starboard. This gave us a tilt to Port when we lifted.

We disconnected the Main Sail Boom topping lift and the the Main Sail Backstay.

We connected 12 meter cables (approximately) to each shackle on Starboard, and to last of of the series of shakles on Port. The other end of each of these cables was connected to a single shackle on the crane cable.

When we lifted the boat, it tilted to Port enough that the Triadic Stay was clear of the crane cable. I am fairly certain that each of the lifting points were connected inside the liferail.

This is not a simple job and I believe it requires a team of 6-8 people who completely understand the task. The shackles and cables need to be certified to lift the weight. Care needs to be taken because the cables and shackles are heavy and may swing in the wind or when the crane moves. As they are being moved into place each cable should be controlled by one person. He should control it with a line attached to the shakle until it is low enough to handle directly. Hardhats and heavy gloves are a minimum for each of the team. Also, on the deck, there should be the person directing the crane operator and all of the crew. At minimum, there should be one extra person on deck to assist with shakle attachment.

I would NOT RECEMMEND doing this job without all of the things I mentioned above plus a very experienced Loadmaster to oversee the entire operation.

If I had to do it over, I would disconnect the Triadic Stay to eliminate the complexity of what we did by tilting the boat.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 23, 2016 2:06 AM, "pepinoamel" <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,


I am planning to get hauled out with a mobile crane using the Amel lifting plates.  The Amel instruction book recommends a minimum of 6m straps and an extra shackle for the straps on the side away from the crane to avoid the triadic stay.  I plan to use 20m steel straps so the crane hook is way over the triadic stay and the boat can be  lifted  evenly.  Has anybody had experience using this method?


Thanks.


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Evia, Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] In Water Hurricane Lay Up

francesringley@...
 

Arghh, spellcheck!!!  KAVALLI House is the operator of hole 3 in Stocking Island, George Town, Exuma.


Ian Townsend
SM 153 Loca Lola II


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] In Water Hurricane Lay Up

francesringley@...
 

Check out hole 3 in Georgetown, Exuma. Contact Bob Cronin at aka allis House. I would stay there if my insurance company would cooperate. There are a couple of yards in Long Island for haul out, including a marine railway.

Kent, I assume are you happy with Brunswick Landing. I am considering going there. Do they have the capacity to pull boats out of the water in the event of an approaching storm? Would you want or need to?

Ian Townsend
SM 153 Loca Lola II


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Super Mara Polars

Paul Osterberg
 

Thankyou just what I want to know about Igo and Predict Wind
Paul SY KERPA SM 259