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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What is the Magic Password to get Amel to Respond

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Gary,

What you are discussing is a list of about 8 -12 parts and can be distributed  in an email here.

What becomes difficult for Amel is the rare times where the owner is not clear on what he wants or sometimes not clear that he actually wants to order. Building a SQL Database and Browser Based Middleware is not a good use of time and assets to overcome the difficulty described in this thread.

That said, the real issue is that the manufacturing records and Bill of Materials for each boat built in the last 35 years is handwritten, and some are missing, and years ago part numbers were not used. Yes, I also discussed this with Caroline gorgeous about an hour. We should have gotten together.

I have built databases and Middleware applications. This is a big job to include 35 years of production and the state of the records. If the goal is a list of bow thruster parts and model year changes, as well as propeller wear bushings and seals, we can do that one one piece of paper without databases and Middleware.

However, will having the information available fix the particular problems that this thread is about? I don't think so.

Bill
BeBe 387
Currently Martinique

On Apr 8, 2016 03:39, "ericmeury@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Gary. 


Give me a ring.  Lets chat...  I have little interest in rocking the boat over at amel, but i have a few ideas

eric @ meury group.com





---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi Gary, that's the trouble with you techos. Do you really think owners wont get numbers wrong, your dreaming. I cant think of anything worse than a cobbled together incomplete parts number list. I shudder.
&nb sp;I have 7 years of experience of getting parts and have no difficulties.  Some rules.
                  1)Be polite.
                  2) don't be arrogant, aggressive,demanding or try to hassle or bounce them. A bit of humility goes a very long way. Looking at some posts I find more aggression than humility.
                  3) Put your initial greeting in French (shows us ignorant English speakers  will       at least try)
                   4)Be grateful (genuinely) and say thanks in French. Even I know Bonjour and Merci
                   5)Be accurate in your description and send a photo. Don't expect them to understand slang or vague descriptions.
Uniquely Amel maintain a parts service for some very old boats. Mine was 8 when I bought her, now she's coming up 16. (Where did the years go) but Amel still stock most of what I need. Superb service. Try the above before you turn the place on its head.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: "gary@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 2:54 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What is the Magic Password to get Amel to Respond

 
Greetings,

Just wanted to chime in on this one.  I had a nice long conversation with Amel Caraibe this afternoon and took about two hours of their time to toss out ideas, brainstorm possibilities and acknowledge the challenges that a very technical environment presents when it crosses language barriers. 

First, I must say that since I have been here in Martinique (pushing 6 weeks now) I have been met with courtesy, professionalism and friendliness each and every time I've stepped into that office, even when things haven't gone quite right (yep, I've had a communications challenge too :)  Je ne parle pas Francais tres bien, but even if I did, having to describe the pieces and parts is a challenge ( what exactly do y ou call the little plastic bushing thingy that lives inside the stanchion that has the shaft that turns the pulley that moves the line attached to the genoa car?  and can I have 2 of them please? :)    So much easier when I walked in with the old one and described where it came from ... ~then~ I found out it's not an item that is stocked :)  Hmm ... where to next? 

OK, I digress ...  I meant to say that they (Caroline and Jeanne) will discuss letting me come into possession of some .. ~some~ of the descriptions and part numbers from their catalog.  At that point it would be a matter of assembling the data into a usable database that would be open to owners directly. 
The problem I see is that it will be work intensive and bandwidth rich to set this up, especially if it entails adding pictures of each item. At this moment, paying for each megabyte and deeply involved in preparations fo r a crossing to Portugal, I don't have the resources to put it together. 
I do have hosting space and database availability, but just no time or internet right now. 

Nevertheless, Amel Caraibe is going to talk to Amel France and see what might be prudent to release.  I think the most important things would be "common" items. Things that we all pretty much have to deal with as a matter of routine maintenance. To that end, I will ask for information on bow thrusters, prop bushings, and a few other items because:
     They are commonly replaced and
     They pertain to several boat models (i.e. prop wear-out bushins are the same for 6 models)

IF and when Amel agrees to release the info, which would consist of French and English nomenclatures, part description, location on the boat and models affected a nd a part number (I cannot fathom trying to manage pricing changes so not going to go there), I will plug it into a database and post it for review and 'murder' (tell me what is wrong).   Once we get a working model going, it might be possible to 'wiki' a much more comprehensive product together from our own submissions (that runs a slight risk of complicating things tho if bad data gets uploaded).

Alright, all that's just a two cent's worth based on a conversation today.  I'll know more on Monday and will poke around a bit with a potential database front end if I get time. 

If someone else wants to do some MYSQL assembly work, and start this thing rolling without me, let me know and see if I can help push it forward.

I think it's a good idea, it will be hard to adequately implement and get off the ground but it could have a great ou tcome.  If I didn't like being retired so much I might  like being the lead consultant on Amel's IT modernization project :)



Yahoo for the future

jgermain@...
 

While reviewing Bloomberg finance last night, I saw an article stating both Google and Verizon are planning a buy out. I hope we can start using Gary's new site soon. We might not like what is coming our way.

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY ELEUTHERA,SM 007


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What is the Magic Password to get Amel to Respond

ericmeury@...
 

Gary. 

Give me a ring.  Lets chat...  I have little interest in rocking the boat over at amel, but i have a few ideas

eric @ meury group.com





---In amelyachtowners@..., <simms@...> wrote :

Hi Gary, that's the trouble with you techos. Do you really think owners wont get numbers wrong, your dreaming. I cant think of anything worse than a cobbled together incomplete parts number list. I shudder.
 I have 7 years of experience of getting parts and have no difficulties.  Some rules.
                  1)Be polite.
                  2) don't be arrogant, aggressive,demanding or try to hassle or bounce them. A bit of humility goes a very long way. Looking at some posts I find more aggression than humility.
                  3) Put your initial greeting in French (shows us ignorant English speakers  will       at least try)
                   4)Be grateful (genuinely) and say thanks in French. Even I know Bonjour and Merci
                   5)Be accurate in your description and send a photo. Don't expect them to understand slang or vague descriptions.
Uniquely Amel maintain a parts service for some very old boats. Mine was 8 when I bought her, now she's coming up 16. (Where did the years go) but Amel still stock most of what I need. Superb service. Try the above before you turn the place on its head.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: "gary@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 2:54 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What is the Magic Password to get Amel to Respond

 
Greetings,

Just wanted to chime in on this one.  I had a nice long conversation with Amel Caraibe this afternoon and took about two hours of their time to toss out ideas, brainstorm possibilities and acknowledge the challenges that a very technical environment presents when it crosses language barriers. 

First, I must say that since I have been here in Martinique (pushing 6 weeks now) I have been met with courtesy, professionalism and friendliness each and every time I've stepped into that office, even when things haven't gone quite right (yep, I've had a communications challenge too :)  Je ne parle pas Francais tres bien, but even if I did, having to describe the pieces and parts is a challenge ( what exactly do you call the little plastic bushing thingy that lives inside the stanchion that has the shaft that turns the pulley that moves the line attached to the genoa car?  and can I have 2 of them please? :)    So much easier when I walked in with the old one and described where it came from ... ~then~ I found out it's not an item that is stocked :)  Hmm ... where to next? 

OK, I digress ...  I meant to say that they (Caroline and Jeanne) will discuss letting me come into possession of some .. ~some~ of the descriptions and part numbers from their catalog.  At that point it would be a matter of assembling the data into a usable database that would be open to owners directly. 
The problem I see is that it will be work intensive and bandwidth rich to set this up, especially if it entails adding pictures of each item. At this moment, paying for each megabyte and deeply involved in preparations for a crossing to Portugal, I don't have the resources to put it together. 
I do have hosting space and database availability, but just no time or internet right now. 

Nevertheless, Amel Caraibe is going to talk to Amel France and see what might be prudent to release.  I think the most important things would be "common" items. Things that we all pretty much have to deal with as a matter of routine maintenance. To that end, I will ask for information on bow thrusters, prop bushings, and a few other items because:
     They are commonly replaced and
     They pertain to several boat models (i.e. prop wear-out bushins are the same for 6 models)

IF and when Amel agrees to release the info, which would consist of French and English nomenclatures, part description, location on the boat and models affected and a part number (I cannot fathom trying to manage pricing changes so not going to go there), I will plug it into a database and post it for review and 'murder' (tell me what is wrong).   Once we get a working model going, it might be possible to 'wiki' a much more comprehensive product together from our own submissions (that runs a slight risk of complicating things tho if bad data gets uploaded).

Alright, all that's just a two cent's worth based on a conversation today.  I'll know more on Monday and will poke around a bit with a potential database front end if I get time. 

If someone else wants to do some MYSQL assembly work, and start this thing rolling without me, let me know and see if I can help push it forward.

I think it's a good idea, it will be hard to adequately implement and get off the ground but it could have a great outcome.  If I didn't like being retired so much I might  like being the lead consultant on Amel's IT modernization project :)



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine exaust Santorin Vagabundo

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Antonio,

isophtalic polyester or epoxy are OK. If you use epoxy, make sure to install a strong air extractor while working as epoxy releases bad volatile organic compounds.
You can use a PVC tube as support for the GRP. make sure to extend the lamination cloths to 20 cm around the base of the tube. The final thickness of the GRP tube should be 10 mm.

Bon courage.

Olivier


On Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:50 AM, "SN 108 Vagabundo stilemare@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi Olivier,
Thanks for your explication.
I'll follow your advice and I'll restore the original concept, I am thinking if re-laminate a grp thru-hull or a inox tube. I prefer the grp because the union between same materials is best, in this case which resin do you advice me to use polyester or epoxy ?
Viva la France !
Antonio 

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 06/apr/2016, alle ore 18:26, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 
Good evening,

I replied directly to Antonio.
The Super Maramus, Santorins and 54 have the same kind of through-hul fitting for the main engine wet exhaust hose: a tube made of GRP where the hose is set inside (or outside, see below) and glued with silicone compound.
In addition, the Super Maramus (probably since 1995) and the 54s have an anti-return flap located in a stainless steel box, right before the through-hull fitting. For these boats, the small piece of hose that connects the stainless steel box to the through-hull may be attached on the outside of the tube, with hose clamps. The box must be bonded to the zincs (yellow/green circuit).

I confirm that this system is very reliable.
It seems that on Antonio's Santorin, the GRP tube has been removed (WHY???) in order to install and glue the hose directly through the hull.
Now the original GRP tube has been removed, I advised him to install a regular stainless steel through-hull fitting as this may be easier to have properly done than the original glassed tube.
Bill, the piece of PVC tube is there because it is used as a support/frame while building the GRP tube and bonding it with the hull. The system is strong because of the GRP, not because of the PVC.

I strongly advise all of you to keep the system as it is, even if your mechanic wants to change it.

Cheers.


On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:44 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Antonio,

The original design on all Amels for many years is as you describe it, except that you did not mention that the flexible hose is reinforced from the inside with a "PVC type" of pipe. You probably did not notice that.

Just because someone says something should be one way, does not make it right. If I were you, I would trust the original Amel concept.

I hope this helps you.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 6:37 AM, SN 108 Vagabundo stilemare@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Good Morning,
Yes Bill, in my installation there is nothing !! No thru-hull fixed to the portside, only the tube inserted into the hull and sealed (taped) with a lot of silicon and sikaflex.
Probably this happens when the previous owner changed the engine in 2007 BUT the work was followed from VOLVO dealer in Canet en Roussillon !!???!!  I don't know IF this is original concept or so on....but is so far from my safety idea.
Buon Vento
Antonio 
Vagabundo SN 108
Roma

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 06/apr/2016, alle ore 08:06, Bill greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 
So there IS a thru-hull fitting, in the standard installation, it is just made of fiberglass.  Nothing wrong with that. Its a good system.

The original poster needs to understand what to look for.  IF he is wrong in his description and the fiberglass insert is missing he has a problem.  


On Apr 5, 2016, at 19:54, joemac4sail@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
This is standard on the santorin and not a pproblem .Ive monitored ours for the last 10 yearsits still the original hose.25years old. As its Supported by a fibreglass sleeve on the inside add the fact that there is no metal reduces corosion and possible damage due to a bang. AMEL ENGINEERING..






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What is the Magic Password to get Amel to Respond

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Gary, that's the trouble with you techos. Do you really think owners wont get numbers wrong, your dreaming. I cant think of anything worse than a cobbled together incomplete parts number list. I shudder.
 I have 7 years of experience of getting parts and have no difficulties.  Some rules.
                  1)Be polite.
                  2) don't be arrogant, aggressive,demanding or try to hassle or bounce them. A bit of humility goes a very long way. Looking at some posts I find more aggression than humility.
                  3) Put your initial greeting in French (shows us ignorant English speakers  will       at least try)
                   4)Be grateful (genuinely) and say thanks in French. Even I know Bonjour and Merci
                   5)Be accurate in your description and send a photo. Don't expect them to understand slang or vague descriptions.
Uniquely Amel maintain a parts service for some very old boats. Mine was 8 when I bought her, now she's coming up 16. (Where did the years go) but Amel still stock most of what I need. Superb service. Try the above before you turn the place on its head.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: "gary@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 2:54 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What is the Magic Password to get Amel to Respond

 
Greetings,

Just wanted to chime in on this one.  I had a nice long conversation with Amel Caraibe this afternoon and took about two hours of their time to toss out ideas, brainstorm possibilities and acknowledge the challenges that a very technical environment presents when it crosses language barriers. 

First, I must say that since I have been here in Martinique (pushing 6 weeks now) I have been met with courtesy, professionalism and friendliness each and every time I've stepped into that office, even when things haven't gone quite right (yep, I've had a communications challenge too :)  Je ne parle pas Francais tres bien, but even if I did, having to describe the pieces and parts is a challenge ( what exactly do you call the little plastic bushing thingy that lives inside the stanchion that has the shaft that turns the pulley that moves the line attached to the genoa car?  and can I have 2 of them please? :)    So much easier when I walked in with the old one and described where it came from ... ~then~ I found out it's not an item that is stocked :)  Hmm ... where to next? 

OK, I digress ...  I meant to say that they (Caroline and Jeanne) will discuss letting me come into possession of some .. ~some~ of the descriptions and part numbers from their catalog.  At that point it would be a matter of assembling the data into a usable database that would be open to owners directly. 
The problem I see is that it will be work intensive and bandwidth rich to set this up, especially if it entails adding pictures of each item. At this moment, paying for each megabyte and deeply involved in preparations for a crossing to Portugal, I don't have the resources to put it together. 
I do have hosting space and database availability, but just no time or internet right now. 

Nevertheless, Amel Caraibe is going to talk to Amel France and see what might be prudent to release.  I think the most important things would be "common" items. Things that we all pretty much have to deal with as a matter of routine maintenance. To that end, I will ask for information on bow thrusters, prop bushings, and a few other items because:
     They are commonly replaced and
     They pertain to several boat models (i.e. prop wear-out bushins are the same for 6 models)

IF and when Amel agrees to release the info, which would consist of French and English nomenclatures, part description, location on the boat and models affected and a part number (I cannot fathom trying to manage pricing changes so not going to go there), I will plug it into a database and post it for review and 'murder' (tell me what is wrong).   Once we get a working model going, it might be possible to 'wiki' a much more comprehensive product together from our own submissions (that runs a slight risk of complicating things tho if bad data gets uploaded).

Alright, all that's just a two cent's worth based on a conversation today.  I'll know more on Monday and will poke around a bit with a potential database front end if I get time. 

If someone else wants to do some MYSQL assembly work, and start this thing rolling without me, let me know and see if I can help push it forward.

I think it's a good idea, it will be hard to adequately implement and get off the ground but it could have a great outcome.  If I didn't like being retired so much I might  like being the lead consultant on Amel's IT modernization project :)



Re: What is the Magic Password to get Amel to Respond

Gary Wells
 

Greetings,

Just wanted to chime in on this one.  I had a nice long conversation with Amel Caraibe this afternoon and took about two hours of their time to toss out ideas, brainstorm possibilities and acknowledge the challenges that a very technical environment presents when it crosses language barriers. 

First, I must say that since I have been here in Martinique (pushing 6 weeks now) I have been met with courtesy, professionalism and friendliness each and every time I've stepped into that office, even when things haven't gone quite right (yep, I've had a communications challenge too :)  Je ne parle pas Francais tres bien, but even if I did, having to describe the pieces and parts is a challenge ( what exactly do you call the little plastic bushing thingy that lives inside the stanchion that has the shaft that turns the pulley that moves the line attached to the genoa car?  and can I have 2 of them please? :)    So much easier when I walked in with the old one and described where it came from ... ~then~ I found out it's not an item that is stocked :)  Hmm .. where to next? 

OK, I digress ...  I meant to say that they (Caroline and Jeanne) will discuss letting me come into possession of some .. ~some~ of the descriptions and part numbers from their catalog.  At that point it would be a matter of assembling the data into a usable database that would be open to owners directly. 
The problem I see is that it will be work intensive and bandwidth rich to set this up, especially if it entails adding pictures of each item. At this moment, paying for each megabyte and deeply involved in preparations for a crossing to Portugal, I don't have the resources to put it together. 
I do have hosting space and database availability, but just no time or internet right now. 

Nevertheless, Amel Caraibe is going to talk to Amel France and see what might be prudent to release.  I think the most important things would be "common" items. Things that we all pretty much have to deal with as a matter of routine maintenance. To that end, I will ask for information on bow thrusters, prop bushings, and a few other items because:
     They are commonly replaced and
     They pertain to several boat models (i.e. prop wear-out bushins are the same for 6 models)

IF and when Amel agrees to release the info, which would consist of French and English nomenclatures, part description, location on the boat and models affected and a part number (I cannot fathom trying to manage pricing changes so not going to go there), I will plug it into a database and post it for review and 'murder' (tell me what is wrong).   Once we get a working model going, it might be possible to 'wiki' a much more comprehensive product together from our own submissions (that runs a slight risk of complicating things tho if bad data gets uploaded).

Alright, all that's just a two cent's worth based on a conversation today.  I'll know more on Monday and will poke around a bit with a potential database front end if I get time. 

If someone else wants to do some MYSQL assembly work, and start this thing rolling without me, let me know and see if I can help push it forward.

I think it's a good idea, it will be hard to adequately implement and get off the ground but it could have a great outcome.  If I didn't like being retired so much I might  like being the lead consultant on Amel's IT modernization project :)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bleeding off air in Yanmar 75 hp

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ben,

I am glad you got this far.

On a Yanmar with a water sensor inside the fuel filter housing, it is always best to remove the two bolts securing the filter housing to the motor, then unscrew the housing from the plastic nut without turning the nut and twisting the wires. As soon as you begin to loosen the housing from the nut fuel will begin to run out through the plastic hose...be prepared.

My guess is that you did not place the O Ring at the bottom of the fuel filter. Possibly you did and it is not seated properly,  or maybe you forgot to properly lubricate the O ring. It is also possible that one of the wires are in the nut threads.

There should be zero diesel leaking from any point on your engine.

I hope this helps you. Let me know if it does.

Bill BeBe 387
Currently Martinique

On Mar 18, 2016 15:34, "Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Gentlemen,
Thanks for the good advice.  It turned out to be an air leak in the bottom of the primary filter.  I removed,  cleaned, and carefully threaded bottom water sensor on (being careful not to damage wires) then opened bleed screw and to remove air and motor now runs well.  

When Bill said it was near impossible to pump primer when bleed screw is tight, I realized the problem.  I could pump and fuel was escaping through threads in water sensor cap.

Thanks again.  



Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Mar 18, 2016, at 8:48 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben, 

If you can pump the manual pump on top of the fuel filter housing on the Yanmar, you probably have not sealed the filter and you are sucking air which is causing your problem. When the filter is installed correctly, it is near impossible to pump that manual pump unless you open the screw that Mark describes.

It is a little tricky to replace that fuel filter because of the wires that go to the sensor at the plastic nut at the bottom of the of the filter assembly. If you try to unscrew and screw that nylon nut, you may damage the wires, twist the wires, and/or get them into the treads. Loosen the entire assembly from the motor mount, then turn the assembly holding the nut stationary. As soon as you complete about 1 turn, fuel will begin to drain from the drain hose which is about 1 foot long and attached to a fitting on the nut. The drain hose gets brittle and may have fallen off...if so, replace it. To remove the filter from the assembly continue to turn until the plastic nut is loose from the bottom of the filter...reverse the process when placing a new filter. Use the drain hose to capture most of the fuel. Protect the 175amp alternator from fuel spills. When everything is back together, open the vent screw (purple or blue) and pump until no air is coming out. Remember, if you have a dual Racor, the point on the short tip of the valve handle points to the active filter...NOT the long handle.

It is possible that after you do the above correctly that you will need to bleed each of the injectors as Mark described. Be sure that you do not fill up the muffler with salt water. It is best that you have some experience with you when you do this the first time.

I bet that there is a youtube video of this out there. I did a search on "Yanmar fuel filter replacement" and saw several that may help you. The real issue for you is probably the wires on the nut at the bottom of the filter assembly.

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe 387
Pitons, St. Lucia



On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:03 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ben,

 

There are a couple of different processes. On the 4JH4 there is an air bleed nut on top of the fuel filter assembly. You will find the nut in-line with the fuel line on the top of the housing for the fuel filter. Loosen this nut 2-3 turns. Feed fuel through the pump by pushing the lever on the side of the pump up and down until no air comes out of the nut and then tighten it. You can also crank the engine with the nut loose rather than pump the fuel with the lever. This is all that needs to be done. The engine may run rough for a little bit until the all the air is purged out. I am not sure if the 4JH3 is set up the same way.

 

On some other engines, you need to follow each fuel line to the injectors. Loosen each fitting and crank the engine. Crank the engine until no air comes out – usually about 10-20 seconds per injector. I put a paper towel under each connection so I can see the fuel coming out. You really need two people; one to crank and one to watch for the bubbles to disappear.

 

IMPORTANT - While cranking the engine without it firing, be sure to open the drain on the water-lift muffler. If you crank the engine for more than about one minute without it firing up, you will back water up into the cylinders since the water pumps is running. The exhaust will not be under enough pressure to push the cooling seawater up out of the boat. This is not good.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  George Town – Great Exuma Island - Bahamas

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 9:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bleeding off air in Yanmar 75 hp

 

 

I could use some help bleeding air out my Yanmar Deisel.  I changed the primary and secondary fuel filter on Yanmar 4-JH3-TE for the first time - I bought this boat recently.  Not sure why but cannot keep engine running.  I bled-off Racor then primary on engine but engine runs roughly for about 5 minutes and then stalls.  I can keep it running if I pump the primary filter continuously (this is primer on top of the fuel filter).  If I put boat in neutral and advance throttle, it momentarily revs then it shuts down.  clearly not getting fuel.

 

Up until I changed filters, motor ran flawlessly so clearly my problems are result of my recent maintenance. 

 

i would appreciate any suggestions.

 

New SM owner

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347

Currently in Puerto Del Rey Marina, PR

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bleeding off air in Yanmar 75 hp

eric freedman
 

Change the hose and clamps. Also check the filter itself, it might be cracked.

It should not leak a drop.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 2:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bleeding off air in Yanmar 75 hp

 

 

This issue was resolved but... For some reason the hose on the bottom of primary Yanmar fuel filter continues to drip substantial amounts of diesel.  Question is how much should be coming out and can I pitch off the drain hose without negative event.. I'm used to a clean bilge and diesel mess is irritatingly.  


Re: Bleeding off air in Yanmar 75 hp

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

This issue was resolved but... For some reason the hose on the bottom of primary Yanmar fuel filter continues to drip substantial amounts of diesel.  Question is how much should be coming out and can I pitch off the drain hose without negative event.. I'm used to a clean bilge and diesel mess is irritatingly.  


Re: Mastervolt 24/100-3 suddenly not charging

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Talking to the Pochon fellow in La Rochelle who handles the equipment repair backoffice, I was told me they see fewer issues with Victron than with Mastervolt.

Mind you, Pochon will be happy to sell you either brand.

I recommend anyone who installs either brand to install that brand's LCD information screen.  We have the Mastervolt EasyView and we have configured it to provide a wealth of info/alarms on what the Mastervolt devices are up to, and this was important to ensure we did not cook off our AGM batteries when we first installed them.

Cheerio,


Peregrinus
docked at Reial Club Maritim, Barcelona


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mastervolt 24/100-3 suddenly not charging

hanspeter baettig
 

Hi Dimitris
I think you made only a writing mistake 😉
But for all who are not so acustome with electricity, you shoud write 100 A and 40 A
Best regards
Hanspeter


Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 07.04.2016 um 18:20 schrieb Dimitris Krasopoulos dkrasopoulos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

To make a long story short. It seems to me that the two Mastervolt chargers installed in the Amel 54 , one 100W and one 40 W are not working after a few years. It was not cost effective to send them to Mastervolt for repair as both of them stopped working on my boat Alma Libre Too. I replaced both of them with 2 Victron chargers one 100W and one 30W. Till now they are working fine but who knows

Best Regards

Dimitris Krasopoulos
Mob:+306944302318


2016-04-07 16:24 GMT+03:00 Dominique Guenot dominique_guenot@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
 

Thank you for all these answers
Mastervolt is offering me 30% discount to buy a new one but
the Local dealer is not cooperating.

I am leaning buying a smaller Victron available now in Panama and buying a bigger one later to create redundancy.

All the best
Dominique Guenot
S/V Viva
+1 917 826 0945





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mastervolt 24/100-3 suddenly not charging

Dimitris Krasopoulos
 

To make a long story short. It seems to me that the two Mastervolt chargers installed in the Amel 54 , one 100W and one 40 W are not working after a few years. It was not cost effective to send them to Mastervolt for repair as both of them stopped working on my boat Alma Libre Too. I replaced both of them with 2 Victron chargers one 100W and one 30W. Till now they are working fine but who knows

Best Regards

Dimitris Krasopoulos
Mob:+306944302318


2016-04-07 16:24 GMT+03:00 Dominique Guenot dominique_guenot@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Thank you for all these answers
Mastervolt is offering me 30% discount to buy a new one but
the Local dealer is not cooperating.

I am leaning buying a smaller Victron available now in Panama and buying a bigger one later to create redundancy.

All the best
Dominique Guenot
S/V Viva
+1 917 826 0945



Re: Mastervolt 24/100-3 suddenly not charging

Dominique Guenot
 

Thank you for all these answers
Mastervolt is offering me 30% discount to buy a new one but
the Local dealer is not cooperating.

I am leaning buying a smaller Victron available now in Panama and buying a bigger one later to create redundancy.

All the best
Dominique Guenot
S/V Viva
+1 917 826 0945


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] installation of dive compressor

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

My pleasure, but ask Leopold (SM#69 Yin Yang) how he did his.

Also I gave previously my opinion on the diving compressor.
Since I had one onboard and I want everything in working condition I had it serviced ($2k), but I am not sure I would add one as it is not so easy nor inexpensive to use.
1) every 7 minutes while filling up a tank you have to open valves and it takes 40 minutes to fill up a tank (and is very noisy).
2) have to change the filter every 8 tanks and they have a limited shelf life of 1.5 year, I calculated the operating cost to fill up a tank at about $5 (not including the purchase of the compressor and its big maintenance).
In the Bahamas, Turks & Caicos and even here in Dominican Republic there are stores in many places to fill up tanks and they cost between $5 and $10.
I think it is good if you are in remote places or scuba a lot.
But I do believe it is important to have scuba tanks onboard in case (like it happened to me) you have the chain wrap around a coral head, anchor stuck, etc.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Thu, 4/7/16, robin hutter robin6658@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: AW: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] installation of dive compressor
To: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, April 7, 2016, 7:28 AM


 











wooaaaaawwww Alexandre - thanks a million -
perfect - I am duly impressed!!
fair winds
RobinSV
grosdoux
SM #56


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iPad

Am
Donnerstag, April 7, 2016, 13:10 schrieb Alexandre Uster von
Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:
 









Good morning Robin,



Here is a reply I made to Leopold (SM#69 Yin Yang) on April
28, 2015

You might want to ask him if he had any difficulties
installing his.



I took some pictures and drawing I made at the time

http://nikimat.com/scuba_compressor_bauer_junior.html



I hope this will help you.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



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On Thu, 4/7/16, robin.hutter@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] installation of dive
compressor

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Thursday, April 7, 2016, 6:41 AM





 



















Hi gang

when I bought GrosDoux

there was no dive compressor. I intend to change that
and

buy a Lenhardt @ Wagner LW 100 E1 ECO and install it.
Could

anyone let me know how Amel installs thes compressors?
Size

and weight is comparable to a Baur Junior

ll.thanks for any

assistance!

RobinSV

Gros-Douxwww.Gros-Doux.comSM

#56


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] installation of dive compressor

robin hutter
 

wooaaaaawwww Alexandre - thanks a million - perfect - I am duly impressed!!

fair winds

Robin
SV grosdoux

SM #56


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Am Donnerstag, April 7, 2016, 13:10 schrieb Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] :

 

Good morning Robin,

Here is a reply I made to Leopold (SM#69 Yin Yang) on April 28, 2015
You might want to ask him if he had any difficulties installing his.

I took some pictures and drawing I made at the time
http://nikimat.com/scuba_compressor_bauer_junior.html

I hope this will help you.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 4/7/16, robin.hutter@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] installation of dive compressor
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, April 7, 2016, 6:41 AM


 









Hi gang
when I bought GrosDoux
there was no dive compressor. I intend to change that and
buy a Lenhardt @ Wagner LW 100 E1 ECO and install it. Could
anyone let me know how Amel installs thes compressors? Size
and weight is comparable to a Baur Junior
ll.thanks for any
assistance!
RobinSV
Gros-Douxwww.Gros-Doux.comSM
#56









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] installation of dive compressor

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Robin,

Here is a reply I made to Leopold (SM#69 Yin Yang) on April 28, 2015
You might want to ask him if he had any difficulties installing his.

I took some pictures and drawing I made at the time
http://nikimat.com/scuba_compressor_bauer_junior.html

I hope this will help you.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic






--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 4/7/16, robin.hutter@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] installation of dive compressor
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 7, 2016, 6:41 AM


 









Hi gang
when I bought GrosDoux
there was no dive compressor. I intend to change that and
buy a Lenhardt @ Wagner LW 100 E1 ECO and install it. Could
anyone let me know how Amel installs thes compressors? Size
and weight is comparable to a Baur Junior
ll.thanks for any
assistance!
RobinSV
Gros-Douxwww.Gros-Doux.comSM
#56









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installation of dive compressor

robin.hutter@...
 

Hi gang


when I bought GrosDoux there was no dive compressor. I intend to change that and buy a Lenhardt @ Wagner LW 100 E1 ECO and install it. Could anyone let me know how Amel installs thes compressors? Size and weight is comparable to a Baur Junior ll.

thanks for any assistance!


Robin

SV Gros-Doux

www.Gros-Doux.com

SM #56


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine exaust Santorin Vagabundo

antonio scipioni
 

Hi Olivier,
Thanks for your explication.
I'll follow your advice and I'll restore the original concept, I am thinking if re-laminate a grp thru-hull or a inox tube. I prefer the grp because the union between same materials is best, in this case which resin do you advice me to use polyester or epoxy ?
Viva la France !
Antonio 

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 06/apr/2016, alle ore 18:26, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

Good evening,

I replied directly to Antonio.
The Super Maramus, Santorins and 54 have the same kind of through-hul fitting for the main engine wet exhaust hose: a tube made of GRP where the hose is set inside (or outside, see below) and glued with silicone compound.
In addition, the Super Maramus (probably since 1995) and the 54s have an anti-return flap located in a stainless steel box, right before the through-hull fitting. For these boats, the small piece of hose that connects the stainless steel box to the through-hull may be attached on the outside of the tube, with hose clamps. The box must be bonded to the zincs (yellow/green circuit).

I confirm that this system is very reliable.
It seems that on Antonio's Santorin, the GRP tube has been removed (WHY???) in order to install and glue the hose directly through the hull.
Now the original GRP tube has been removed, I advised him to install a regular stainless steel through-hull fitting as this may be easier to have properly done than the original glassed tube.
Bill, the piece of PVC tube is there because it is used as a support/frame while building the GRP tube and bonding it with the hull. The system is strong because of the GRP, not because of the PVC.

I strongly advise all of you to keep the system as it is, even if your mechanic wants to change it.

Cheers.


On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:44 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Antonio,

The original design on all Amels for many years is as you describe it, except that you did not mention that the flexible hose is reinforced from the inside with a "PVC type" of pipe. You probably did not notice that.

Just because someone says something should be one way, does not make it right. If I were you, I would trust the original Amel concept.

I hope this helps you.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 6:37 AM, SN 108 Vagabundo stilemare@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Good Morning,
Yes Bill, in my installation there is nothing !! No thru-hull fixed to the portside, only the tube inserted into the hull and sealed (taped) with a lot of silicon and sikaflex.
Probably this happens when the previous owner changed the engine in 2007 BUT the work was followed from VOLVO dealer in Canet en Roussillon !!???!!  I don't know IF this is original concept or so on....but is so far from my safety idea.
Buon Vento
Antonio 
Vagabundo SN 108
Roma

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 06/apr/2016, alle ore 08:06, Bill greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 
So there IS a thru-hull fitting, in the standard installation, it is just made of fiberglass.  Nothing wrong with that. Its a good system.

The original poster needs to understand what to look for.  IF he is wrong in his description and the fiberglass insert is missing he has a problem.  


On Apr 5, 2016, at 19:54, joemac4sail@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
This is standard on the santorin and not a pproblem .Ive monitored ours for the last 10 yearsits still the original hose.25years old. As its Supported by a fibreglass sleeve on the inside add the fact that there is no metal reduces corosion and possible damage due to a bang. AMEL ENGINEERING..




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What is the Magic Password to get Amel to Respond

karkauai
 

That sounds like a great idea, Eric.  Get in touch with Gary on Adagio and see if that's something we could incorporate into the new website.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Apr 6, 2016, at 11:40 PM, ericmeury@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Maud Responded to me email early this morning and was able to get me price and start a dialoge regarding the process.


She is indeed very helpful, that i never doubted at all, nor Amels commitment to trying their best to find us the parts.

But eventually, finding an employee that can figure out what part was on our boats is eventually going to fail at some point as these employees will eventually retire. The process of developing a "parts catelog" by hull number can be something that can be done as people place orders for those parts.  

Amel has to have some idea that this will begin to get more difficult as time goes on.  

Maybe it is something that one of us can develop via app or a cloud service that we can keep a parts inventory with the pictures, part numbers, and perhaps source.  Might even be a good way to share  modificaitons along with where to get some of the parts.  Ideas?


Re: What is the Magic Password to get Amel to Respond

ericmeury@...
 

I would like to add a thank you to bill for the offer.  It is appreciated.  I do value what you are trying to do to keep the good name of Amel and all the help you offer the Amel community.  I do try read your posts as much as I can and learn something new everday.  I do respect your input.

Eric