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Re: genoa furler holding plate

yahoogroups@...
 

I do not think the missing anchors have anything to do with the bent plate, but the fact that your delivery captain did not secure the anchors says volumes about the captain's knowledge.

That captain should pay for 2 anchors and chain.

Regarding the bent plate straighten it without heat. It was bent because the Genoa halyard was not tight enough.

Bill
BeBe 387


Re: Changes to Yahoo

alainfeuillet@...
 

Gary, it is again Alain.
I noticed that the post of Eleuthera in Maintenance board is identified as "last post" in the home index summary but, curiously, the number of posts of this board is still set to zero.

Anoher thought: we will have to define a policy with regard to pictures inclusion in mails. A ggo thng is that the forum is limiting joined picture size. However, shall we set a rule saying that for more than one picture, we shall insert pictures in the gallery and put the link in a post? How should the gallery be organised? a mirror of the post structure?

And, if you need help for the forum transfer and reorganisation of historical data, if it can be organised by electronic communication, I am keen to help you

Best regards

Alain


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] genoa furler holding plate

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Donato,

there is only one reason for bending this stainless steel plate: not enough tension on the genoa halyard. The genoa furling system (motor, tube and sail) is then acting like a sledge hammer at every wave moving the bow up and down.
The stainless steel plate is not structural. It does not hold the forestay but only the genoa system. Take it down and have it straighten. And the next time you expect strong winds, make sure the halyard is tightened to the maximum before you start furling the genoa in.

If this is not clear enough, feel free to ask.

Olivier


On Saturday, December 26, 2015 7:46 PM, "ing.d.valente@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi,
will appreciate receiving your opinions about a serious problem to our SM 2000 presently at Fort Lauderdale,
Will try posting a picture that will explain the problem better than my words.
The steel plate holding and fixing the genoa furling motor to the deck has been found aft bent.
I don't have sufficient information on how and when it happened. My co-owner is on the boat and trying to understand the problem and talking to the skipper who transferred the boat from Cayman to Fort Lauderdale.
The only information I have is that the professional skipper said that he found rough sea, and, by the way, he said that at arrival he found that two anchors were missing !
But that is another topic.
My first assumption was that the genoa  furler has been accidentally used with the jib sheet still on the winch; but apparently no visible damage was found on the sheet ring on the genoa.
I can't think to another reason.
I think also that the plate must be replaced, since have no confidence in straightening the old one.
Hope the problem is clear.
Thanks for your opinions.
Will try to post a photo, under album name Ocean Bird (I've never done before)

All the best 
Donato

SM 2000 - Ocean Bird n. 468
in Fort Lauderdale

 



Re: Changes to Yahoo

alainfeuillet@...
 

Hello Gary,
Merry Xmas and Happy New Year... to be shared with all members of this nice forum.

Many congratulations for the new tentative forum. I just tested it by sending a post in "Current location" and I could join also JPG on Eleuthera by instant mail because he was on line. The interface and functionalities are excellent.

Before going further please, can you have immediate thoughts - and action - on the security of the forum: today everybody can access and do what he wants with it. Including putting a sleeping nasty virus somewhere, wait until everything is loaded and then bomb our database...

I have not found if you defined how we can transfer all data from the Yahoo forum to this one...

The notification system seems not to allow a notification at "board" level but only at each "child" level. It is manageableand allow a very precise choice but a bit heavy if we want to receive warning for complete boards.

No comments on proposed boards and i confirm that the search function is very easy to use and currently instantaneous. I hope it will remain like this under load.

Again "bravo" and many thanks.

Alain
(SM PILGRIM)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] genoa furler holding plate

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Donato
 This a very common occurance on the sm. Expensive fix...have new one made of heavier material
 Simple fix.straighten it
 Replace the clevis pin securing it with a bolt and nyloc nut. Do it up very tight. This prevents the movement which allows the downward pressure to bend the steel. The bending often occurs after a voyage in heavy seas causing pounding which of course multiplies the weight induced downward pressure. If you don't have confidence in the steel that has been straightened, cut it at the bend and drill a new hole
 This will slightly shorten the unit but is no problem. This will also have the effect of providing a bit more stiffness to the unit

After staightening mine several times I fitted the bolt as described and it has never bent again. The bolt must be very tight
Regards
Danny.
Sm 299 Ocean Pearl 


Sent from Samsung Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "ing.d.valente@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:27/12/2015 07:46 (GMT+12:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] genoa furler holding plate

 

Hi,

will appreciate receiving your opinions about a serious problem to our SM 2000 presently at Fort Lauderdale,

Will try posting a picture that will explain the problem better than my words.

The steel plate holding and fixing the genoa furling motor to the deck has been found aft bent.

I don't have sufficient information on how and when it happened. My co-owner is on the boat and trying to understand the problem and talking to the skipper who transferred the boat from Cayman to Fort Lauderdale.

The only information I have is that the professional skipper said that he found rough sea, and, by the way, he said that at arrival he found that two anchors were missing !

But that is another topic.

My first assumption was that the genoa  furler has been accidentally used with the jib sheet still on the winch; but apparently no visible damage was found on the sheet ring on the genoa.

I can't think to another reason.

I think also that the plate must be replaced, since have no confidence in straightening the old one.

Hope the problem is clear.

Thanks for your opinions.

Will try to post a photo, under album name Ocean Bird (I've never done before)


All the best 

Donato


SM 2000 - Ocean Bird n. 468

in Fort Lauderdale


 


genoa furler holding plate

Donato Valente
 

Hi,

will appreciate receiving your opinions about a serious problem to our SM 2000 presently at Fort Lauderdale,

Will try posting a picture that will explain the problem better than my words.

The steel plate holding and fixing the genoa furling motor to the deck has been found aft bent.

I don't have sufficient information on how and when it happened. My co-owner is on the boat and trying to understand the problem and talking to the skipper who transferred the boat from Cayman to Fort Lauderdale.

The only information I have is that the professional skipper said that he found rough sea, and, by the way, he said that at arrival he found that two anchors were missing !

But that is another topic.

My first assumption was that the genoa  furler has been accidentally used with the jib sheet still on the winch; but apparently no visible damage was found on the sheet ring on the genoa.

I can't think to another reason.

I think also that the plate must be replaced, since have no confidence in straightening the old one.

Hope the problem is clear.

Thanks for your opinions.

Will try to post a photo, under album name Ocean Bird (I've never done before)


All the best 

Donato


SM 2000 - Ocean Bird n. 468

in Fort Lauderdale


 


Re: Changes to Yahoo

Miles
 

Gary,

 

Merry Christmas and thank you for doing all this great work.   Having a workable web site is very valuable.  I watched my boat being built 17 years ago and after about 50,000 miles I am still learning from other owners.

 

Happy Holidays and New Year.

 

Regards,

 

Miles  SM 216  Ladybug

On the hard in Newport, RI


Re: SM stability curve

eamonn.washington@...
 

This is question is 9 years old, but here is what I found from Amel in French, based on EU calculations, but is is just a "specimen" report: https://www.google.ch/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjRvJSwwvnJAhUIChoKHeeNCPwQFggfMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww1.veristar.com%2Fveristar%2FPlaisance.nsf%2F4631bdb7418dad6680256c4b00515228%2F918d92c8f01c87fcc1256c7d0039867e%2F%24FILE%2F6632.0037.A2.9.pdf&usg=AFQjCNG4kLZiyWtWQ978a62g00JpJIlKxA&sig2=lqyGpx8ycJfST0V33tiqiQ&bvm=bv.110151844,d.bGQ

Angle d'envahissement (Ad) (angle of initial flooding): 137 degrees

Angle de stabilité corrigé (Avs): 120 degrees

Righting moment at 90 degrees: 60.9 kNm

I assume "Angle de stabilité corrigé" is translated as angle of vanishing stabilty.

Has a Super Maramu ever turned turtle?  What were the wind/wave conditions?  How long did it take to right herself again?

Eamonn


Re: Found a Global Microwave!!!

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

That's an interesting find.

On the Panasonic site, the manufacturer states this mw oven includes "inverter" technology.  Mind you, this has little to do with our boats' traditional inverters, I suppose, but nonetheless I have noticed Amel and other sailboat manufacturers now install washers/dryers that also feature this "inverter" technology.

Now, when you write that the clock keeps the time, surely you mean only for as long as your boat is plugged into shore power?  Or does it have a backup battery for those times when there is no 220v power supply?

Cheerio,


Peregrinus
Docked at Alcaidesa (Gibraltar)


Re: Found a Global Microwave!!!

jwdernehl@...
 


Yes it does.  I will post a picture in the photo section. 


Re: Found a Global Microwave!!!

ms42phantom54@...
 

Does it fit in the original space?
Jamie
s/v Phantom


Found a Global Microwave!!!

jwdernehl@...
 

Just in case anyone out there is looking for a good 50/60Hz 220v microwave, I found one.  The Panasonic NN-GD692S works perfectly here in the USA running on 60Hz. I bought it off Amazon UK.  It did cost a bit, around $350, but it offers both microwave and toasting options. I have been using it for 8 months.  I wanted to make sure it would handle the hertz increase with ease because it is not rated for 60Hz according to the paperwork.  I do think this unit is designed for both Hz for the local Japanese market which uses both 50 and 60Hz.  One big giveaway is that the digital clock keeps perfect time and that it has not blown up on me!..HAHA


Anyways, Happy Holidays to everyone!  


Jason Dernehl

SM # 88 

 


Re: Changes to Yahoo

Gary Wells
 

Update for today: Merry Christmas!  I get to sit around sipping egg nog and puttering about before guests arrive. Then we're looking at a great dinner and some family time.

In the meantime I got to modify the "Members" Profile page and instead of things like "ICQ, AIM" and other hardly used info I added Boat Model, Year and Hull Number fields. None of it's required during registration (which is still open and it looks like about 20 folks have signed up) but you can add it by going to your Profile section.

I still have to chase a couple of 'permissions' gremlins as some categories aren't allowing replies (yet).  I think I will have to go through each board and make sure nothing is 'inheriting' problems downstream.  

Other than that I think I need some feedback on the categories.  The conundrum is that there is a section on "Super Maramu" discussion, and then another section in maintenance which rightly could include Super Maramu mechanics and electronics.  Just wondering if this seems redundant of if things would be better served with just leaving the boat model categories all inclusive and deleting the whole maintenance board.  The search function is going to be much more robust so I don't know if there is a huge benefit to many categories within the boards.  Having said that, I'm not going to change/delete/add any boards for a while to see if things remain stable as is.

It's only been a few days after all :)

Take care,

Gary W.
SM 209 "Adagio"



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

seafeverofcuan
 

Gary,
        You deserve all credit. I wasn't in favour of this at all, but after taking most of the day to understand how to access the site because I kept trying "networks" as opposed to net - some people really are that stupid!
I think it is a much better platform and layout than what we currently have.
I tried a couple of postings, modified them, put them back,etc. and it all works very simply.
Thank you you for all your hard work and good luck with the next part.
Happy Christmas.
Trevor
Seafever


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Aldo Roldan
 

Gary
This is great. The project speaks of an enormous potential and ease to harness the accumulated knowledge that has been poured in by the members.  I am all for it.  I encourage the group to speak.
Aldo


On Dec 24, 2015, at 2:55 PM, gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

OK, update.

I have the photo gallery set to accept uploads from members. 2500x2500 resolution max. I may have to shrink that a little if I figure on 10,000 photos someday :)
I haven't figured out how to make "albums" yet, but it'll likely reveal itself soon.
I have secured a smidge over 100 Gbytes to start with.
I'm going to just sit on it for a few days to let folks look it over.
As far as know, I can't just "migrate" the Yahoo board over. That might take a lot of cut and paste, or figuring out how to pull everything into an archive of dome sort. Not going to dig into that part unless folks generally want to eventually switch over.
Finally, I will be reorganizing the boards and categories for better permissions control. Not planning on losing anything, but there's always a chance.
For a fresh install, it seems to be very stable; a tribute to Simple Machines and open source software.

To reiterate, I have spent $0 on the project thus far and it won't cost anything extra (above my current hosting costs) unless we start ramping up bandwidth with a ton of videos or something.

If/when it starts tagging me out of pocket, I'll gladly post a members only viewable accounting of it and hoist up the "donate here" PayPal button.

I think the only other concern might be longevity/continuity.
My plan is to recruit a second Administration and two or three moderators. If I am absent, they can handle things.
If I choose to bail out, the domain, hosting and files can just get transferred to a new owner and ISP.

OK, that's today's news.

Best wishes for a very merry Christmas!

Gary W
SM 209 Adagio


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Gary Wells
 

OK, update.

I have the photo gallery set to accept uploads from members. 2500x2500 resolution max. I may have to shrink that a little if I figure on 10,000 photos someday :)
I haven't figured out how to make "albums" yet, but it'll likely reveal itself soon.
I have secured a smidge over 100 Gbytes to start with.
I'm going to just sit on it for a few days to let folks look it over.
As far as know, I can't just "migrate" the Yahoo board over. That might take a lot of cut and paste, or figuring out how to pull everything into an archive of dome sort. Not going to dig into that part unless folks generally want to eventually switch over.
Finally, I will be reorganizing the boards and categories for better permissions control. Not planning on losing anything, but there's always a chance.
For a fresh install, it seems to be very stable; a tribute to Simple Machines and open source software.

To reiterate, I have spent $0 on the project thus far and it won't cost anything extra (above my current hosting costs) unless we start ramping up bandwidth with a ton of videos or something.

If/when it starts tagging me out of pocket, I'll gladly post a members only viewable accounting of it and hoist up the "donate here" PayPal button.

I think the only other concern might be longevity/continuity.
My plan is to recruit a second Administration and two or three moderators. If I am absent, they can handle things.
If I choose to bail out, the domain, hosting and files can just get transferred to a new owner and ISP.

OK, that's today's news.

Best wishes for a very merry Christmas!

Gary W
SM 209 Adagio


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Stephen Davis
 

Very nice job Gary, and thanks for all the hard work. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Fajardo, Puerto Rico

On Dec 24, 2015, at 07:08, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Have been on other forums that use this set-up and it usually works perfect! 
Thank you Gary for your hard work!

We crossed The Atlantic to Europe in May 2015, if you want any info, please feel free to contact me. By the way, they must have produced a lot of boats in 1998, we have no 232. 
Maybe we will meet somewhere in the Med 2016.

Merry Christmas and get well soon
/ Annsofie & Jonas 
S/Y Lady Annila SM 232, 1998
Present in Licata, Sicilly.

Skickat från min iPad

24 dec. 2015 kl. 05:22 skrev gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Kent, 


I think I just have to figure out what I did with the permissions on the individual categories.  I may have set the whole category to read only instead of just the message.  Yep, there's a lot of options, whistles and bells and switches to play with :)



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Have been on other forums that use this set-up and it usually works perfect! 
Thank you Gary for your hard work!

We crossed The Atlantic to Europe in May 2015, if you want any info, please feel free to contact me. By the way, they must have produced a lot of boats in 1998, we have no 232. 
Maybe we will meet somewhere in the Med 2016.

Merry Christmas and get well soon
/ Annsofie & Jonas 
S/Y Lady Annila SM 232, 1998
Present in Licata, Sicilly.

Skickat från min iPad

24 dec. 2015 kl. 05:22 skrev gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Kent, 


I think I just have to figure out what I did with the permissions on the individual categories.  I may have set the whole category to read only instead of just the message.  Yep, there's a lot of options, whistles and bells and switches to play with :)



Re: Heat exchanger and the exhaust manifold elbow on VOLVO

seafeverofcuan
 

JP,
    I first cleaned my 100HP Yanmar at 2000 hours with Barnacle Buster, at 2500 hours I had it  and the Onan cleaned again by "professionals" that led on to the transmission heat exchanger failing on the Yanmar.
I pulled it at 2900 hours and had it cleaned again and fitted with new gaskets and seals, the exhaust elbow was removed each time and cleaned.
Neither part was excessively dirty at any time.
The only overheating heating issue that I have experienced with the Yanmar was due to the Johnson raw water pump on the Yanmar wearing out the bronze housing, due to the silt in the rivers in Brazil.
It took me a while to figure it out and only when I measured the inside of the housing with a Vernier discovered around 3mm of wear leading to cavitation on start up.
The engine currently has 3500 hours and when I finally sell Seafever, I will only have a Yanmar on whatever replaces her.
Happy Christmas.
Regards.
Trevor
seafever
SM 425 Redline
Mexico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heat exchanger and the exhaust manifold elbow on VOLVO

Mark Erdos
 

JP,



If you have a turbo charger, you probably will also have an after cooler in addition to the heat exchanger. Both should be cleaned. However, I think the recommendation from your mechanic to do it at every 600 hours is excessive (find a new mechanic). If both are moderately clogged, you can still have normal operating temperatures at lower RPMs. If it has never been cleaned you may see increases in operating temperature at high RPMs (90% of full load). In the case of the after cooler, the symptoms are not as easy to spot. Since it cools air returning to the piston chamber, if it is failing you might not get top performance from the engine. You could blow out a little more black smoke but it will be hard to tell. A dirty after cooler could also increase fuel consumption and add strain to the turbo charger. Again, hard to tell.



I would suggest scheduled cleanings somewhere between 1000 and 2000 hours. If you are handy with a spanner, this is not a hard DIY job. There are many YouTube videos on cleaning heat exchangers. If you do it yourself, be sure to etch a mark on the inner core so you know how to orient the exchanger when putting it back together.



I am not as familiar with the Volvo as I am the Yanmar. On the Yanmar it is possible to remove the end of the heat exchanger to inspect the inner core without having to remove a lot of other stuff. It should be spotless. Any buildup will impede the performance of the engine.





With best regards,



Mark



Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising: Green Turtle Cove – Abacos Islands - Bahamas



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of galacsea2000
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:52 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Heat exchanger and the exhaust manifold elbow on VOLVO





I would be interested in feedback from SM2K or Amel 54 owners (engines with Turbo, not atmospheric) regarding regular intervals for cleaning the heat exchanger and the exhaust manifold elbow.

My engine has 2500 hours and temperature remains constant at about 79 to 80 degrees C (never exceeding 81 degrees C at full throttle) but I was recently told by a Volvo mechanics that the heat exchanger should be open/clean every 600 hours !! Mine was never open, having assumed that, as soon as the heat exchanger would not do its job any more, I would see some increase in running temperature.

All comments most welcome
JP, the UN-mechanics







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