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Re: Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher Parts

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Kenneth,

 

Please be sure to post your findings. Our evacuation pump causes the breaker to pop. Otherwise, the dishwasher still works. I would like to get this operational again since we used it often while on anchor.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 7:50 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher Parts

 

All,

I have a Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher, and would like keep Aquarius stock.  But, need to get spare parts for the dishwasher.  I have emailed ersatzteile@schabauer-service dot at , but have not received a response.  The evacuation pump is out, and might try to find a replacement which is similar if I can not get the exact replacement.

Any thoughts on what I should do.

Thanks!

Kenneth Powers
Aquarius sm2k262


Re: Prop is spinning freely

karkauai
 

Bill K,
Thank you for this clear explanation of the Hurth/ZF transmissions. I haven't read this anywhere before and have never understood why my helm has a sign that says in French, not to put in reverse while sailing. When I switched from AutoProp to be MaxProp, I read that I should put in reverse until it stopped turning, then back to neutral. I have just finished a maintenance of the Autoprop and reinstalled it to see how it performs compared to the MaxProp.  I now know that if it turns while sailing, it is safe to put the transmission in forward, but not reverse.

Now for the next question...
When I repowered from Volvo TMD22 (78HP} to Yanmar 4JH4HTE, (110HP), I was assured by the Yanmar dealer and mechanic (Danny Ramos in Fajardo; top Volvo mechanic in the Caribbean at the time) that the existing transmission was ok to reuse.  It has had no problems after ~1200 hours using the MaxProp.  But now I am worried that it may not be quite up to the job.  Does anyone have thoughts or recommendations about that? 

Should I just replace it with a new, more
robust one? If I use the Z25F, that means adding a shaft brake, right? Are there other robust mechanical transmissions that wouldn't require the brake? Any downsides to that?

Or have the transmission inspected, and put it back in if everything looks OK?

Or, with 1200hours already on the transmission with the new engine, just assume it is Ok and leave it alone?

Thanks again Bill K, your post is a game-changer for me!

Happy New Year, everyone!
Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243





--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Standing rigging

Bernd Spanner
 

Dear All,

please share your opinion and if available views from a professional stand point, eg. metallurgy, material fatigue, etc about standing rigging when experienced in this field.
There are so many opinions around like changing after 7 years, contracting a surveyor, does not need to be changed on high quality yachts like AMEL, HR, etc.
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal


Re: Onan group on SM number 32

Juan de Zulueta
 

Bill,
 
I did checked the temperature of the exhaust elbow and oil filter :
exhaust elbow temp is 41,5 C
oil filter 79,5 C

these seems OK according to your rec.
any other idea ? Could this come from the water temp switch shutoff S2 ?

best regards


Re: Onan group on SM number 32

Juan de Zulueta
 

Bill,

I have indeed an infrared medical thermometer. I will use it to check.
I was as well wondering if my problem could come from the thermostat?
I am currently in Antigua do yo know if there is a Onan dealer selling spare parts in Antigua ? I did not find any on the website of Cummins Onan.

Juan de Zulueta
+33680895892
sent from my Ipad.

Le 10 janv. 2021 à 19:17, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> a écrit :


Juan,

You should have something like this. It will help you with many things:
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If you have a meat thermometer, it can work. Something like this:
<image.png>

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 4:39 PM Juan de Zulueta <jdezulue@...> wrote:
Bill, I changed the impeller but I did not check temperature of the oil neither of the exhaust
i am not sure what type of thermometer I can use .
I checked coolant level , see water temp, coolant temp in the hoses before and after heat exchanger but only by hand and not using thermometer
 


thanks again for your answer


Re: Prop is spinning freely

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Bill,

all you wrote is correct.
There has been some SM2000 with VOLVO engine and ZF25 hydraulic gear-box, with the same shaft-brake system as on the YANMAR engine.
Some of these SM2000 are fitted with a prop shaft alternator which requires a solenoid valve system in order to keep the prop spinning while the engine is OFF. When in use, the solenoid valve keeps the pressure in the shaft-brake cylinder.

Happy New Year.

Olivier.

On Monday, January 11, 2021, 10:12:40 AM GMT+1, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:


A great reply Bill. Best explanation Ive seen. However I am going to drop a curly one here. I have a Volvo and a ZF 25M gearbox and an auto prop.For reasons I have not discovered it will sometimes lock in reverse, sometimes in forward. I have to observe the shaft spinning and engage one or the other. The correct selection will exhibit a satisfying clunk and the shaft stops dead. The wrong results in a soggy almost stop, in which case obviously I change to the other. It is random, so I just take care and always check.

Kind regards and wishing you all the best for the new year.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 11 January 2021 at 14:18 "Karen Smith via groups.io" <karenharmonie@...> wrote:

Mark,

I think you are mixing up the ZF25M transmission and the ZF25. The document you reference is for a ZF25M, not the ZF25.  This has been a common source of confusion on the forum, since both of these are the common transmissions used in many Amel boats. The similar model numbers for two very different machines has always been an issue.

This is my understanding of this un-necessarily complicated issue:

The ZF25M is a smaller, lower horsepower rated, transmission that shifts mechanically. I believe none of these transmissions were ever fitted with a shaft brake, because none was needed.  The ZF25, even though it has a very similar part number, is a very different beast.  I doubt the ZF25M and the ZF25 have any parts in common.  The ZF25 is a higher horsepower rated, hydraulically shifted, transmission.  As far as I know (and this might not be correct) the Volvo TMD22 engines all had ZF25M and the Yanmars all had ZF25.  Note that these model numbers changed when the original Hurth brand was bought out by ZF.

As the document you quoted points out, the ZF25M can free-wheel without damage, other than routine wear on bearings and seals. With a normal fixed prop or a MaxProp, putting it in reverse will lock the rotation.  The AutoProp is a different story.  It rotates in the opposite direction when free-wheeling, and needs to be put in FORWARD to lock it.  The rule for operation should be “Do not allow the transmission to free wheel while in gear—ever.”  If the prop rotates while in reverse, put it in forward.  And the other way round.

The ZF25 relies on the hydraulic pressure generated by the rotating input shaft (from the engine) to shift.  If the engine is not turning, it will always be in neutral, and neither forward nor reverse can be engaged no matter what the position of the shift lever.  Therefore, the prop will always spin when the engine is not running.  Most hydraulic transmissions require the engine input shaft to be turning to pump the fluid internally to lubricate the moving parts. The ZF25, however, is allowed to rotate with the engine off.  It will be noisy, and add routine wear to the bearings and seals. There is no way to stop the rotation without a shaft brake.

Here are the rules:

If you have a Volvo with a ZF25M transmission:
  • Sailing in neutral is acceptable with any propeller. The prop WILL spin with a fixed prop or an AutoProp, and MIGHT spin with a MaxProp. While spinning, the prop is noisy and adds routine wear and tear to the bearings and seals. 
  • With a MaxProp or a fixed prop, you can sail in reverse and the prop will not turn. This is acceptable.  
  • With a fixed prop, if you sail in forward, the propeller will spin, and the transmission will be damaged quite quickly.
  • With a MaxProp, if you sail in forward, the propeller MIGHT spin, and if it does the transmission will be damaged quite quickly. 
  • With an AutoProp, you can sail in forward and the prop will not turn. This is acceptable.
  • With an AutoProp, if you sail in reverse, the propeller will spin, and the transmission will be damaged quite quickly.
If you have a Yanmar with a ZF25 transmission,
  • With any propeller, the shaft can spin when sailing. This is acceptable, again, other than the noise and additional routine wear on bearings and seals.
  • The only way to stop this rotation is to use a shaft brake.


Bill Kinney
SM160,  Harmonie
The boat is in Charleston, we are in Antigua finishing up a delivery.


Re: Prop is spinning freely

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

A great reply Bill. Best explanation Ive seen. However I am going to drop a curly one here. I have a Volvo and a ZF 25M gearbox and an auto prop.For reasons I have not discovered it will sometimes lock in reverse, sometimes in forward. I have to observe the shaft spinning and engage one or the other. The correct selection will exhibit a satisfying clunk and the shaft stops dead. The wrong results in a soggy almost stop, in which case obviously I change to the other. It is random, so I just take care and always check.

Kind regards and wishing you all the best for the new year.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 11 January 2021 at 14:18 "Karen Smith via groups.io" <karenharmonie@...> wrote:

Mark,

I think you are mixing up the ZF25M transmission and the ZF25. The document you reference is for a ZF25M, not the ZF25.  This has been a common source of confusion on the forum, since both of these are the common transmissions used in many Amel boats. The similar model numbers for two very different machines has always been an issue.

This is my understanding of this un-necessarily complicated issue:

The ZF25M is a smaller, lower horsepower rated, transmission that shifts mechanically. I believe none of these transmissions were ever fitted with a shaft brake, because none was needed.  The ZF25, even though it has a very similar part number, is a very different beast.  I doubt the ZF25M and the ZF25 have any parts in common.  The ZF25 is a higher horsepower rated, hydraulically shifted, transmission.  As far as I know (and this might not be correct) the Volvo TMD22 engines all had ZF25M and the Yanmars all had ZF25.  Note that these model numbers changed when the original Hurth brand was bought out by ZF.

As the document you quoted points out, the ZF25M can free-wheel without damage, other than routine wear on bearings and seals. With a normal fixed prop or a MaxProp, putting it in reverse will lock the rotation.  The AutoProp is a different story.  It rotates in the opposite direction when free-wheeling, and needs to be put in FORWARD to lock it.  The rule for operation should be “Do not allow the transmission to free wheel while in gear—ever.”  If the prop rotates while in reverse, put it in forward.  And the other way round.

The ZF25 relies on the hydraulic pressure generated by the rotating input shaft (from the engine) to shift.  If the engine is not turning, it will always be in neutral, and neither forward nor reverse can be engaged no matter what the position of the shift lever.  Therefore, the prop will always spin when the engine is not running.  Most hydraulic transmissions require the engine input shaft to be turning to pump the fluid internally to lubricate the moving parts. The ZF25, however, is allowed to rotate with the engine off.  It will be noisy, and add routine wear to the bearings and seals. There is no way to stop the rotation without a shaft brake.

Here are the rules:

If you have a Volvo with a ZF25M transmission:
  • Sailing in neutral is acceptable with any propeller. The prop WILL spin with a fixed prop or an AutoProp, and MIGHT spin with a MaxProp. While spinning, the prop is noisy and adds routine wear and tear to the bearings and seals. 
  • With a MaxProp or a fixed prop, you can sail in reverse and the prop will not turn. This is acceptable.  
  • With a fixed prop, if you sail in forward, the propeller will spin, and the transmission will be damaged quite quickly.
  • With a MaxProp, if you sail in forward, the propeller MIGHT spin, and if it does the transmission will be damaged quite quickly. 
  • With an AutoProp, you can sail in forward and the prop will not turn. This is acceptable.
  • With an AutoProp, if you sail in reverse, the propeller will spin, and the transmission will be damaged quite quickly.
If you have a Yanmar with a ZF25 transmission,
  • With any propeller, the shaft can spin when sailing. This is acceptable, again, other than the noise and additional routine wear on bearings and seals.
  • The only way to stop this rotation is to use a shaft brake.


Bill Kinney
SM160,  Harmonie
The boat is in Charleston, we are in Antigua finishing up a delivery.


Re: Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher Parts

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

He Kenneth ,

In germany is a shut down since december an i think we stay bis end of januar when it is going bad end of februar

Best
Elja SM 222
Balu

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Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher Parts

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

All,

I have a Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher, and would like keep Aquarius stock.  But, need to get spare parts for the dishwasher.  I have emailed ersatzteile@schabauer-service dot at , but have not received a response.  The evacuation pump is out, and might try to find a replacement which is similar if I can not get the exact replacement.

Any thoughts on what I should do.

Thanks!

Kenneth Powers
Aquarius sm2k262


Re: Prop is spinning freely

Karen Smith
 

Mark,

I think you are mixing up the ZF25M transmission and the ZF25. The document you reference is for a ZF25M, not the ZF25.  This has been a common source of confusion on the forum, since both of these are the common transmissions used in many Amel boats. The similar model numbers for two very different machines has always been an issue.

This is my understanding of this un-necessarily complicated issue:

The ZF25M is a smaller, lower horsepower rated, transmission that shifts mechanically. I believe none of these transmissions were ever fitted with a shaft brake, because none was needed.  The ZF25, even though it has a very similar part number, is a very different beast.  I doubt the ZF25M and the ZF25 have any parts in common.  The ZF25 is a higher horsepower rated, hydraulically shifted, transmission.  As far as I know (and this might not be correct) the Volvo TMD22 engines all had ZF25M and the Yanmars all had ZF25.  Note that these model numbers changed when the original Hurth brand was bought out by ZF.

As the document you quoted points out, the ZF25M can free-wheel without damage, other than routine wear on bearings and seals. With a normal fixed prop or a MaxProp, putting it in reverse will lock the rotation.  The AutoProp is a different story.  It rotates in the opposite direction when free-wheeling, and needs to be put in FORWARD to lock it.  The rule for operation should be “Do not allow the transmission to free wheel while in gear—ever.”  If the prop rotates while in reverse, put it in forward.  And the other way round.

The ZF25 relies on the hydraulic pressure generated by the rotating input shaft (from the engine) to shift.  If the engine is not turning, it will always be in neutral, and neither forward nor reverse can be engaged no matter what the position of the shift lever.  Therefore, the prop will always spin when the engine is not running.  Most hydraulic transmissions require the engine input shaft to be turning to pump the fluid internally to lubricate the moving parts. The ZF25, however, is allowed to rotate with the engine off.  It will be noisy, and add routine wear to the bearings and seals. There is no way to stop the rotation without a shaft brake.

Here are the rules:

If you have a Volvo with a ZF25M transmission:
  • Sailing in neutral is acceptable with any propeller. The prop WILL spin with a fixed prop or an AutoProp, and MIGHT spin with a MaxProp. While spinning, the prop is noisy and adds routine wear and tear to the bearings and seals. 
  • With a MaxProp or a fixed prop, you can sail in reverse and the prop will not turn. This is acceptable.  
  • With a fixed prop, if you sail in forward, the propeller will spin, and the transmission will be damaged quite quickly.
  • With a MaxProp, if you sail in forward, the propeller MIGHT spin, and if it does the transmission will be damaged quite quickly. 
  • With an AutoProp, you can sail in forward and the prop will not turn. This is acceptable.
  • With an AutoProp, if you sail in reverse, the propeller will spin, and the transmission will be damaged quite quickly.
If you have a Yanmar with a ZF25 transmission,
  • With any propeller, the shaft can spin when sailing. This is acceptable, again, other than the noise and additional routine wear on bearings and seals.
  • The only way to stop this rotation is to use a shaft brake.


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
The boat is in Charleston, we are in Antigua finishing up a delivery.


Re: Headsail roller furling replacement motors

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Rod,

Welcome to the Amel resources!!! Greatest asset to ownership... in my opinion of course!!

Amel is now using Facnor furlers on their new boats. FWIW...

Would you include the type, name of your vessel and it’s location in your signature block? Helps in locating spares, trades etc near your boat. 

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM 007, New Zealand


On 11/01/2021, at 9:40 AM, Rod Glassford <rod@...> wrote:

Hello all Amel owners! I’m new to the site, and too our Amel . We own a 1986 Amel Maramu and need too get a replacement (spare) headsail furling motor. Does anyone know what is available?
cheers,
Rod


Re: Onan group on SM number 32

 

Juan,

You should have something like this. It will help you with many things:
image.png

If you have a meat thermometer, it can work. Something like this:
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 4:39 PM Juan de Zulueta <jdezulue@...> wrote:
Bill, I changed the impeller but I did not check temperature of the oil neither of the exhaust
i am not sure what type of thermometer I can use .
I checked coolant level , see water temp, coolant temp in the hoses before and after heat exchanger but only by hand and not using thermometer
 


thanks again for your answer


Re: Onan group on SM number 32

Juan de Zulueta
 

Bill, I changed the impeller but I did not check temperature of the oil neither of the exhaust
i am not sure what type of thermometer I can use .
I checked coolant level , see water temp, coolant temp in the hoses before and after heat exchanger but only by hand and not using thermometer
 


thanks again for your answer


Re: Onan group on SM number 32

 

Did you measure the Temperature of the Exhaust Elbow and the Oil Filter?

The oil filter should be about 80C when the Onan has warmed up to operating temperature. And the exhaust elbow about 50C.

If the exhaust elbow is higher than 50C, there is a restriction or limitation of seawater flow. Other than the things you checked, this can be caused by a build-up of carbon in the exhaust manifold and exhaust elbow. Did you visually check the impeller?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 2:16 PM Juan de Zulueta <jdezulue@...> wrote:

Dear Members,


the engine of my ONAN group on my Super Maramu after one hour is going on security ( engine check).
I checked the impeller, the heat exchanger, the main sea water filter , everything looks fine.
Does anybody encountered similar problem ? 


many thanks in advance.

Juan de Zulueta
SM 32 Ophelie X
+596 696 98 81 32


Headsail roller furling replacement motors

Rod Glassford
 

Hello all Amel owners! I’m new to the site, and too our Amel . We own a 1986 Amel Maramu and need too get a replacement (spare) headsail furling motor. Does anyone know what is available?
cheers,
Rod


Re: A54 Nav station seat replacement

Jamie Wendell
 

Alex, a quick update - the bottom stool is now called out by a new name below. If you click on the links in my last email, it will take you to the Wayfair site.
Good luck.
Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44
 

Winnols Swivel Adjustable Height Bar Stool


Re: A54 Nav station seat replacement

Jamie Wendell
 

Alex, the ones I ordered and installed are below. I do not think either one is still available, but there are others that are similar if not a bit more expensive. I prefer the cheaper of the two. I am not at the boat now, so regrettably I cannot take a photo of the install. You would not use the pedestals - just the seat.
Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44
Clay Adjustable Height Swivel Bar Stool
Clay Adjustable Height Swivel Bar Stool by Wade Logan
Qty:  1
Upholstery: Burgundy
Price:  $70.99
Clay Adjustable Height Swivel Bar Stool
Clay Adjustable Height Swivel Bar Stool by Wade Logan
Qty:  1
Upholstery: Burgundy
Price:  $54.00


Onan group on SM number 32

Juan de Zulueta
 

Dear Members,


the engine of my ONAN group on my Super Maramu after one hour is going on security ( engine check).
I checked the impeller, the heat exchanger, the main sea water filter , everything looks fine.
Does anybody encountered similar problem ? 


many thanks in advance.

Juan de Zulueta
SM 32 Ophelie X
+596 696 98 81 32


Fuel tank shape on 55?

Billy Newport
 

Is the diesel tank on a 55 regular shaped or did amel use a custom sender to accurately show fuel? Water tank shape also?

Billy


Re: Heater

Paul Osterberg
 

Ian, Thanks for that, will try that
Paul

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