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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bowthruster engine TF15

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Welcome to the forum Peter,

Congratulations for your SM #003 !!! And you can’t make a better choice than having Amel refitting her! You know it will be done the way it is supposed to!

I doubt people will want to sell their spare (unless they intend to sell their boats), but if you find an alternate solution let us know.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic




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On Tue, 5/3/16, mallamok@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] bowthruster engine TF15
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 2:52 PM


 









Hi allI am new on
this forum. I bought a AMEL SM last year (S/N 003) and I am
refittig her in La Rochelle.There are
many  things to do, in the moment I have a problem with the
bowthruster moteur (Leyroy-Somer TF15). After changing the
It needs a new winding wich is quite expensive. (aprox.
2k€)Does somebody have a spare engine
for sale?Thank you
Peter SY Wilson SM
003










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bowthruster engine TF15

Peter Jaeger
 

Hi all

I am new on this forum. I bought a AMEL SM last year (S/N 003) and I am refittig her in La Rochelle.

There are many  things to do, in the moment I have a problem with the bowthruster moteur (Leyroy-Somer TF15). After changing the It needs a new winding wich is quite expensive. (aprox. 2k€)

Does somebody have a spare engine for sale?

Thank you

Peter

SY Wilson SM 003



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

Patrick McAneny
 

Mike, Just take out the bolts that attach the frame to the C drive. Oliver said the C drive would not drop any , but I placed a wood block under it to be safe. I was surprised ,but the rubber bushings in  the coupler were like new , and saw no need to replace them , saved some work.
Pat
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2016 11:06 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

 
Hi Pat,

In doing this with the boat in the water I presume one cannot move the c-drive. It would seem the engine needs to be separated from the c-drive (I want to replace the coupler donuts anyway). How is the engine frame moved given that the c-drive frame is mounted to the engine frame?

Mike

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 8:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

Mike, I have been wondering what you determined was the problem. I thought you would find it to be a motor mount. I just replaced mine last fall , with those mounts and it greatly reduced the vibration. I would suggest that you also replace the bolts that secure the mounts to the stringers. I found the threads a little degraded. I saw no reason to separate the engine from the frame and shifted the engine and frame aft still connected , no problems. I placed a 4x4 across the boat resting next to the winches and used a come along to slightly raise the engine. I placed the 4x4 slightly aft of the lifting point to induce the engine to swing aft and then forward to induce moving forward . You will need some blocks to rest the engine on while you replace the mounts. See ya back on the Bay.

Good Luck,

Pat SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, May 2, 2016 10:39 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

After completing our passage of 1500nm including 130 hrs with a knocking in the auxiliary system except at a sweet spot at 1450RPM, we’ve identified the culprit in the starboard aft motor mount. Apparently severed.

The Vetus type Mitsteun appears to be the exact part but the description seems to indicate application for a smaller engine. Reads as follows; “This hydro-damper is a combination of a conventional rubber-metal damper and a hydraulic shock absorber. Especially for engines with 1, 2 or 3 cylinders, producing many horizontal and vertical movements, the VETUS hydro-damper is an absolute sensation: the reduction of vibration and noise is truly staggering. The maximum static load per support is 60 kg and the maximum thrust per support is 50 kg. In other words: dependent on gearbox ratio, number of revolutions, propeller diameter etc., these mountings are suitable for en gines of up to 18 - 26 kW (25 - 35 HP).”

The TMD22 weighs around 220KG but these 4 mounts also support the steel frame and some of the c-drive. The spacing of the mounts fore and aft would seem to put more load on the forward mounts than the aft.

Anyway, while the HP rating on the mounts seems light, the fact that they are original equipment would indicate they are proper. Available from Defender for $185 ea.

I am just looking for confirmation that this is the right part.

Thanks,

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240, Rock Hall, MD




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Haul-out facilities in Grenada

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I suspected they may be busy so I emailed for availability.  I don't plan to have anything running except the battery charger so if accidentally disconnected from power for a week should not be a problem.  

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On May 3, 2016, at 10:29 AM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

One thing Bill neglected to mention is that Spice Island Marine Services has filled to capacity in the past (don't know if that will be the case this year but they are sufficiently out of the hurricane corridor according to insurance companies) so if you plan to haul out there, you might need to make a reservation.  We hauled out there last Feb and in addition to yard storage, we opted for a monthly check where they open up the boat to air it out and check for leaks as well as check to make sure the shore power is still on.  We have the shore power on only for the battery charger as we had a terrible experience with a yard worker unplugging us in Barcelona and we had the refrigerator on with food in it.  Even if it had been checked once a month the mess could still have occurred, so we always empty the fridge and the freezer and leave them open when we leave now.  It's not cheap ($734/mo) but not much in the Caribbean is.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121
Spice Island Marine Services
Grenada


Re: Haul-out facilities in Grenada

sbmesasailor
 

One thing Bill neglected to mention is that Spice Island Marine Services has filled to capacity in the past (don't know if that will be the case this year but they are sufficiently out of the hurricane corridor according to insurance companies) so if you plan to haul out there, you might need to make a reservation.  We hauled out there last Feb and in addition to yard storage, we opted for a monthly check where they open up the boat to air it out and check for leaks as well as check to make sure the shore power is still on.  We have the shore power on only for the battery charger as we had a terrible experience with a yard worker unplugging us in Barcelona and we had the refrigerator on with food in it.  Even if it had been checked once a month the mess could still have occurred, so we always empty the fridge and the freezer and leave them open when we leave now.  It's not cheap ($734/mo) but not much in the Caribbean is.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121
Spice Island Marine Services
Grenada


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Haul-out facilities in Grenada

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Ian and Linda,

We know Gerald and Brigette from Jet Lag, and they are back home in Switzerland now. Hope you guys are doing well. Liz and I are on the water enroute Martinique to Trinidad for a haul, and should be in Grenada by mid June. Have a good summer and will see you in the fall. 

Steve and Liz
Aloha SM72
Enroute to Trinidad

On May 3, 2016, at 10:33, parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We are hauling out at Clarke's Court in two days time. Visited the yard today and all looks fine, but as it just opened last year there is still work in progress on the back up infrastructure like cafe, accommodation chandlers etc. but boat storage and security are looking good. There is one SM already out - 'jet Lag'. Don't know them yet.

Ian and Linda

Ocean Hobo. SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Replacement or repair of the Scheiber 110 to 230 volt transformer

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Derick,
I suspect you are correct; the transformer does not protect boat from stray current.  I may need to add an solution transformer 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On May 3, 2016, at 7:31 AM, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,


As a followup to my original post, I have not yet tackled removal of the 110 volt to 230 volt transformer to see if it can be repaired, nor have I been able to find any blown fuse or tripped circuit breaker on this circuit. This has been a low priority because instead I have been able to find 220 service throughout the Caribbean, and use the 220 cable instead with the appropriate US or EU adaptor.  

Nonetheless, when I installed a metered galvanic isolator like the one BeBe (Bill Rouse) posted in the photos section, I had the electrician install it next to the 110/220 volt plug box on the engine room forward bulkhead, connected in series to the ground outgoing cables in such a way that it would operate no matter whether the 110 volt cable or the 220 volt cable was in use.  Thus, no matter which cable is connected to shore ground, the galvanic isolator is connected and functioning to prevent stray current via the shore ground.

I realize that this response does not directly answer your question about whether the 110 to 220 volt transformer acts as an isolation transformer.  That question is beyond my expertise.  However, I do know that the ground wires coming into the 110/220 volt plug box on the engine room forward bulkhead go to a common point within that box, and I therefore expect that stray current/voltage from either of the shore cables would enter the boat undeterred by the presence of the 110 to 220 volt transformer (and hence the need for the installation of the galvanic isolator).  

I hope others with more electrical knowledge than me will address your question better.

Derick
SM2K#400 Brava
"Currently" in Sapphire Beach Marina, Saint Thomas, USVI



Re: Haul-out facilities in Grenada

Ian Park
 

We are hauling out at Clarke's Court in two days time. Visited the yard today and all looks fine, but as it just opened last year there is still work in progress on the back up infrastructure like cafe, accommodation chandlers etc. but boat storage and security are looking good. There is one SM already out - 'jet Lag'. Don't know them yet.

Ian and Linda

Ocean Hobo. SN96


Deck refinishing

peterbernhard@...
 

My 2000 super maramu is in BVI. I am looking for a facility that could refinish the decking (getting worn). I heard there is a good facility in Martinique. Anyone know the name?


Thanks 


Re: Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Mike,
There was good discussion on this last July as Patrick was getting going on replacing - you can check those posts. Bottom line was that the Vetus specs you're reading are for a conventional engine installation, where the mounts are taking the full thrust and torque of the engine, whereas our Amel installation has no thrust load on the engine mounts and little torque load. Once again, the Captain got it right.
Cheers,
Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <mdondra@...> wrote :

After completing our passage of 1500nm including 130 hrs with a knocking in the auxiliary system except at a sweet spot at 1450RPM, we’ve identified the culprit in the starboard aft motor mount. Apparently severed.

The Vetus type Mitsteun appears to be the exact part but the description seems to indicate application for a smaller engine. Reads as follows; “This hydro-damper is a combination of a conventional rubber-metal damper and a hydraulic shock absorber. Especially for engines with 1, 2 or 3 cylinders, producing many horizontal and vertical movements, the VETUS hydro-damper is an absolute sensation: the reduction of vibration and noise is truly staggering. The maximum static load per support is 60 kg and the maximum thrust per support is 50 kg. In other words: dependent on gearbox ratio, number of revolutions, propeller diameter etc., these mountings are suitable for engines of up to 18 - 26 kW (25 - 35 HP).”

The TMD22 weighs around 220KG but these 4 mounts also support the steel frame and some of the c-drive. The spacing of the mounts fore and aft would seem to put more load on the forward mounts than the aft.

Anyway, while the HP rating on the mounts seems light, the fact that they are original equipment would indicate they are proper. Available from Defender for $185 ea.

I am just looking for confirmation that this is the right part.

Thanks,

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240, Rock Hall, MD

 

 

 


Re: Replacement or repair of the Scheiber 110 to 230 volt transformer

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Ben,

As a followup to my original post, I have not yet tackled removal of the 110 volt to 230 volt transformer to see if it can be repaired, nor have I been able to find any blown fuse or tripped circuit breaker on this circuit. This has been a low priority because instead I have been able to find 220 service throughout the Caribbean, and use the 220 cable instead with the appropriate US or EU adaptor.  

Nonetheless, when I installed a metered galvanic isolator like the one BeBe (Bill Rouse) posted in the photos section, I had the electrician install it next to the 110/220 volt plug box on the engine room forward bulkhead, connected in series to the ground outgoing cables in such a way that it would operate no matter whether the 110 volt cable or the 220 volt cable was in use.  Thus, no matter which cable is connected to shore ground, the galvanic isolator is connected and functioning to prevent stray current via the shore ground.

I realize that this response does not directly answer your question about whether the 110 to 220 volt transformer acts as an isolation transformer.  That question is beyond my expertise.  However, I do know that the ground wires coming into the 110/220 volt plug box on the engine room forward bulkhead go to a common point within that box, and I therefore expect that stray current/voltage from either of the shore cables would enter the boat undeterred by the presence of the 110 to 220 volt transformer (and hence the need for the installation of the galvanic isolator).  

I hope others with more electrical knowledge than me will address your question better.

Derick
SM2K#400 Brava
"Currently" in Sapphire Beach Marina, Saint Thomas, USVI



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

Mike Ondra
 

Thanks Pat. If you have extra rail bolts we would be happy to purchase 8.

Did you have any concerns about the weight rating of these Vetus mounts?

Mike



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 9:14 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts





Mike , Jamestown marine has the mounts for $168.00 . If I can do anything to facilitate the delivery of the mounts to you , let me know. I think I bought the bolts from Mc Master -Carr , and had to buy a bag of them. I know I gave Gary Wells eight of the bolts at the Annapolis boat show. I will check to see if I have eight left.



Pat





-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@verizon.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, May 2, 2016 10:39 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts



After completing our passage of 1500nm including 130 hrs with a knocking in the auxiliary system except at a sweet spot at 1450RPM, we’ve identified the culprit in the starboard aft motor mount. Apparently severed.

The Vetus type Mitsteun appears to be the exact part but the description seems to indicate application for a smaller engine. Reads as follows; “This hydro-damper is a combination of a conventional rubber-metal damper and a hydraulic shock absorber. Especially for engines with 1, 2 or 3 cylinders, producing many horizontal and vertical movements, the VETUS hydro-damper is an absolute sensation: the reduction of vibration and noise is truly staggering. The maximum static load per support is 60 kg and the maximum thrust per support is 50 kg. In other words: dependent on gearbox ratio, number of revolutions, propeller diameter etc., these mountings are suitable for en gines of up to 18 - 26 kW (25 - 35 HP).”

The TMD22 weighs around 220KG but these 4 mounts also support the steel frame and some of the c-drive. The spacing of the mounts fore and aft would seem to put more load on the forward mounts than the aft.

Anyway, while the HP rating on the mounts seems light, the fact that they are original equipment would indicate they are proper. Available from Defender for $185 ea.

I am just looking for confirmation that this is the right part.

Thanks,

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240, Rock Hall, MD











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

Patrick McAneny
 

Mike , Jamestown marine has the mounts for $168.00 . If I can do anything to facilitate the delivery of the mounts to you , let me know. I think I bought the bolts from Mc Master -Carr , and had to buy a bag of them. I know I gave Gary Wells eight of the bolts at the Annapolis boat show. I will check to see if I have eight left.
 
Pat
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, May 2, 2016 10:39 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

 
After completing our passage of 1500nm including 130 hrs with a knocking in the auxiliary system except at a sweet spot at 1450RPM, we’ve identified the culprit in the starboard aft motor mount. Apparently severed.
The Vetus type Mitsteun appears to be the exact part but the description seems to indicate application for a smaller engine. Reads as follows; “This hydro-damper is a combination of a conventional rubber-metal damper and a hydraulic shock absorber. Especially for engines with 1, 2 or 3 cylinders, producing many horizontal and vertical movements, the VETUS hydro-damper is an absolute sensation: the reduction of vibration and noise is truly staggering. The maximum static load per support is 60 kg and the maximum thrust per support is 50 kg. In other words: dependent on gearbox ratio, number of revolutions, propeller diameter etc., these mountings are suitable for en gines of up to 18 - 26 kW (25 - 35 HP).”
The TMD22 weighs around 220KG but these 4 mounts also support the steel frame and some of the c-drive. The spacing of the mounts fore and aft would seem to put more load on the forward mounts than the aft.
Anyway, while the HP rating on the mounts seems light, the fact that they are original equipment would indicate they are proper. Available from Defender for $185 ea.
I am just looking for confirmation that this is the right part.
Thanks,
Mike Ondra
ALETES SM#240, Rock Hall, MD
 
 
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Pat,

In doing this with the boat in the water I presume one cannot move the c-drive. It would seem the engine needs to be separated from the c-drive (I want to replace the coupler donuts anyway). How is the engine frame moved given that the c-drive frame is mounted to the engine frame?

Mike



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 8:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts





Mike, I have been wondering what you determined was the problem. I thought you would find it to be a motor mount. I just replaced mine last fall , with those mounts and it greatly reduced the vibration. I would suggest that you also replace the bolts that secure the mounts to the stringers. I found the threads a little degraded. I saw no reason to separate the engine from the frame and shifted the engine and frame aft still connected , no problems. I placed a 4x4 across the boat resting next to the winches and used a come along to slightly raise the engine. I placed the 4x4 slightly aft of the lifting point to induce the engine to swing aft and then forward to induce moving forward . You will need some blocks to rest the engine on while you replace the mounts. See ya back on the Bay.

Good Luck,

Pat SM Shenanigans





-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@verizon.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, May 2, 2016 10:39 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts



After completing our passage of 1500nm including 130 hrs with a knocking in the auxiliary system except at a sweet spot at 1450RPM, we’ve identified the culprit in the starboard aft motor mount. Apparently severed.

The Vetus type Mitsteun appears to be the exact part but the description seems to indicate application for a smaller engine. Reads as follows; “This hydro-damper is a combination of a conventional rubber-metal damper and a hydraulic shock absorber. Especially for engines with 1, 2 or 3 cylinders, producing many horizontal and vertical movements, the VETUS hydro-damper is an absolute sensation: the reduction of vibration and noise is truly staggering. The maximum static load per support is 60 kg and the maximum thrust per support is 50 kg. In other words: dependent on gearbox ratio, number of revolutions, propeller diameter etc., these mountings are suitable for en gines of up to 18 - 26 kW (25 - 35 HP).”

The TMD22 weighs around 220KG but these 4 mounts also support the steel frame and some of the c-drive. The spacing of the mounts fore and aft would seem to put more load on the forward mounts than the aft.

Anyway, while the HP rating on the mounts seems light, the fact that they are original equipment would indicate they are proper. Available from Defender for $185 ea.

I am just looking for confirmation that this is the right part.

Thanks,

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240, Rock Hall, MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

Patrick McAneny
 

Mike, I have been wondering what you determined was the problem. I thought you would find it to be a motor mount. I just replaced mine last fall , with those mounts and it greatly reduced the vibration. I  would suggest that you also replace the bolts that secure the mounts to the stringers. I found the threads a little degraded. I saw no reason to separate the engine from the frame and shifted the engine and frame aft still connected , no problems. I placed a 4x4 across the boat resting next to the winches and used a come along to slightly raise the engine. I placed the 4x4 slightly aft of the lifting point to induce the engine to swing aft and then forward to induce moving forward . You will need some blocks to rest the engine on while you replace the mounts. See ya back on the Bay.
Good Luck,
Pat  SM Shenanigans
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, May 2, 2016 10:39 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

 
After completing our passage of 1500nm including 130 hrs with a knocking in the auxiliary system except at a sweet spot at 1450RPM, we’ve identified the culprit in the starboard aft motor mount. Apparently severed.
The Vetus type Mitsteun appears to be the exact part but the description seems to indicate application for a smaller engine. Reads as follows; “This hydro-damper is a combination of a conventional rubber-metal damper and a hydraulic shock absorber. Especially for engines with 1, 2 or 3 cylinders, producing many horizontal and vertical movements, the VETUS hydro-damper is an absolute sensation: the reduction of vibration and noise is truly staggering. The maximum static load per support is 60 kg and the maximum thrust per support is 50 kg. In other words: dependent on gearbox ratio, number of revolutions, propeller diameter etc., these mountings are suitable for en gines of up to 18 - 26 kW (25 - 35 HP).”
The TMD22 weighs around 220KG but these 4 mounts also support the steel frame and some of the c-drive. The spacing of the mounts fore and aft would seem to put more load on the forward mounts than the aft.
Anyway, while the HP rating on the mounts seems light, the fact that they are original equipment would indicate they are proper. Available from Defender for $185 ea.
I am just looking for confirmation that this is the right part.
Thanks,
Mike Ondra
ALETES SM#240, Rock Hall, MD
 
 
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] mast painting

Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
 

Also Renault Panda #348 apparently is also a correct colour 

Jean-Pierre
Eleuthera SM007


On 3 May 2016, at 00:59, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dieter,


   The hardener will have a relatively short shelf life of a year or so but I have used Awlgrip paint that was 10+ years old with no problems, just use a fine strainer to filter out any tiny bits that don’t mix back in.  If you think that you will eventually be refinishing your spars maybe it would be worth holding on to.  Store it in a cool place such as a basement and the life will be extended further.

   If the sale completes as hoped, I will needing standing rigging for Sueno.  Thanks for the tip on  ACMO.

Best,

James
On May 2, 2016, at 12:24 PM, INUS - BUSCH inusbusch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


After some research with the help of Maude from AMEL and AkzoNobel and many others I found the color which was used for the mast painting of my Sharki (Nirvana mast): The color is AWL GRIP G8479 Amel beige. 

It is not in the normal range of colors, but International Yaacht Painting a branch of AkzoNobel mixed it for me.
I ordered 3 U.S. Quarts (nearly 3 L) together with the right amount of hardener: 3 cans of the topcoat converter H3002 (AWL-CAT #3), because it is a two component system. First I wanted to lie down the two masts and get them pain ted on the hard, but than I decided to leave the masts upright and only change the rigging with the masts upright. And I will only repaint the oxidized parts of the aluminium, which means I had ordered too much paint. 

If somebody is interested I will sell two new unused cans Amel beige (each 1  U.S. Quart) together with the second component AWL-CAT #3. I think 90 EUR is a fair price (I paid 400 EUR), plus the shipping costs. My email is: inusbusch ett yahoo.de

BTW: The new rigging I got from ACMO, and they did an excellent job. A very good and uncomplicated partner.

Dieter
Sharki #135



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

James Alton
 

Mike,

  I cannot help you with whether the replacement mounts are correct but I can say that engine mounts do need to be replaced from time to time.  It happens sometimes that the mounts are not evenly adjusted so that one mount can be carrying more than it’s share which can to a failure.  I am sure that you will get more informed and specific input on this matter, best of luck and glad that you found the source of the noise.

James

On May 2, 2016, at 11:39 PM, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


After completing our passage of 1500nm including 130 hrs with a knocking in the auxiliary system except at a sweet spot at 1450RPM, we’ve identified the culprit in the starboard aft motor mount. Apparently severed. 

The Vetus type Mitsteun appears to be the exact part but the description seems to indicate application for a smaller engine. Reads as follows; “This hydro-damper is a combination of a conventional rubber-metal damper and a hydraulic shock absorber. Especially for engines with 1, 2 or 3 cylinders, producing many horizontal and vertical movements, the VETUS hydro-damper is an absolute sensation: the reduction of vibration and noise is truly staggering. The maximum static load per support is 60 kg and the maximum thrust per support is 50 kg. In other words: dependent on gearbox ratio, number of revolutions, propeller diameter etc., these mountings are suitable for en gines of up to 18 - 26 kW (25 - 35 HP).” 

The TMD22 weighs around 220KG but these 4 mounts also support the steel frame and some of the c-drive. The spacing of the mounts fore and aft would seem to put more load on the forward mounts than the aft.

Anyway, while the HP rating on the mounts seems light, the fact that they are original equipment would indicate they are proper. Available from Defender for $185 ea.

I am just looking for confirmation that this is the right part.

Thanks,

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240, Rock Hall, MD

 

 

 




Volvo TMD22 engine mounts

Mike Ondra
 

After completing our passage of 1500nm including 130 hrs with a knocking in the auxiliary system except at a sweet spot at 1450RPM, we’ve identified the culprit in the starboard aft motor mount. Apparently severed.

The Vetus type Mitsteun appears to be the exact part but the description seems to indicate application for a smaller engine. Reads as follows; “This hydro-damper is a combination of a conventional rubber-metal damper and a hydraulic shock absorber. Especially for engines with 1, 2 or 3 cylinders, producing many horizontal and vertical movements, the VETUS hydro-damper is an absolute sensation: the reduction of vibration and noise is truly staggering. The maximum static load per support is 60 kg and the maximum thrust per support is 50 kg. In other words: dependent on gearbox ratio, number of revolutions, propeller diameter etc., these mountings are suitable for engines of up to 18 - 26 kW (25 - 35 HP).”

The TMD22 weighs around 220KG but these 4 mounts also support the steel frame and some of the c-drive. The spacing of the mounts fore and aft would seem to put more load on the forward mounts than the aft.

Anyway, while the HP rating on the mounts seems light, the fact that they are original equipment would indicate they are proper. Available from Defender for $185 ea.

I am just looking for confirmation that this is the right part.

Thanks,

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240, Rock Hall, MD

 

 

 


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eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] mast painting

James Alton
 

Dieter,

   The hardener will have a relatively short shelf life of a year or so but I have used Awlgrip paint that was 10+ years old with no problems, just use a fine strainer to filter out any tiny bits that don’t mix back in.  If you think that you will eventually be refinishing your spars maybe it would be worth holding on to.  Store it in a cool place such as a basement and the life will be extended further.

   If the sale completes as hoped, I will needing standing rigging for Sueno.  Thanks for the tip on  ACMO.

Best,

James

On May 2, 2016, at 12:24 PM, INUS - BUSCH inusbusch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


After some research with the help of Maude from AMEL and AkzoNobel and many others I found the color which was used for the mast painting of my Sharki (Nirvana mast): The color is AWL GRIP G8479 Amel beige. 

It is not in the normal range of colors, but International Yaacht Painting a branch of AkzoNobel mixed it for me.
I ordered 3 U.S. Quarts (nearly 3 L) together with the right amount of hardener: 3 cans of the topcoat converter H3002 (AWL-CAT #3), because it is a two component system. First I wanted to lie down the two masts and get them pain ted on the hard, but than I decided to leave the masts upright and only change the rigging with the masts upright. And I will only repaint the oxidized parts of the aluminium, which means I had ordered too much paint. 

If somebody is interested I will sell two new unused cans Amel beige (each 1  U.S. Quart) together with the second component AWL-CAT #3. I think 90 EUR is a fair price (I paid 400 EUR), plus the shipping costs. My email is: inusbusch ett yahoo.de

BTW: The new rigging I got from ACMO, and they did an excellent job. A very good and uncomplicated partner.

Dieter
Sharki #135