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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM shower curtain size?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Russ,

Congratulations on your SM !!!
This morning I look at the curtain to measure them, but they are definitely not of standard size and forward and aft cabin have different shape...
It would be a lot of work to unstich them from the holder and lay them down to make a drawing, plus lots of work to duplicate. I think you are better of ordering directly from Amel.

Happy New Year, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2k #289 NIKIMAT
Blue Haven Marina, Turks & Caicos



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On Sat, 1/2/16, russ.roberts.va@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM shower curtain size?
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2016, 6:22 PM


 









Does anyone know the size of the shower
curtains for the Super Maramu? Are they a
"standard" type curtain? We are away and can't
take a measure.
We finally
found "the boat" and closed on it a couple of days
ago.
Thanks!
RussSM116 Arctic Tern









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Intermittent bow thruster - Maramu

Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Graham,

😀😀 Buon Anno etc. 




On 3 Jan 2016, at 12:13, Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jean Pierre,

It's definitely hull number 240 - it's a Maramu and not a Super Maramu but I agree with you that it behaves more like a long-keeler than a fin and skeg. 

Amitié et bonne année

Graham


On 02/01/2016 17:11, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:Amitie
 

Hello Graham,


We are birds of a feather in various ways (pun intended).  Retired Airline pilot/gynaecologist(amateur)!!  :-)

Eleuthera is hull number 007 built in 1989 … doubtful yours is number 240… perhaps more like 024.

As far as steering while going astern, the bugger is almost as bad as a full keel; however, fully manageable if one counts in wind/tide effects and has a brain capable of doing 1,000,000 calculations a second.  Not capable of so many tasks instantly, I have decided to use the Amel formula and to spend some handling time with (non judgemental) friends.

GL and enjoy your boat.



Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007


On 2 Jan 2016, at 17:02, Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dear Joel,

Many thanks for your thoughts.  As a retired airline pilot and aviation medicine specialist physician, I'm acutely aware that I may have had brain failure so I certainly don't feel scolded!  In particular, owing to my current inexperience with the boat, the limited space in the marina where I'm berthed and the unnerving proximity of various million dollar yachts, my mental capacity was dramatically reduced by this event and I cannot now be absolutely sure that the bow thruster motor was turning when I diagnosed the failure.  Plainly, if the motor was not turning, then there is a completely different set of possibilities, including the possibility that I'd inadvertently switched it off.  The marina where I'm berthed has virtually no current and is very sheltered so that there is almost no wind so I doubt that they are factors. 

I did have some manoeuvring practice with the previous owner although it was not extensive and all the sternward manoeuvring was accomplished with the aid of the bow thruster.  I agree with you that it makes sense to try to use the standard handling techniques employing prop kick and prop wash rather than resorting to the bow thruster in the first instance and I'm trying to acquire the necessary skills.  However, I've been warned by a friend, who is a very experienced SM owner, to expect it to be very difficult to manage when it is making sternway so I'm currently developing a plan for managing my berthing in the event of another bow thruster failure.  I'm also planning to take the boat out tomorrow and to dive to observe the bow thruster functioning. 

Finally, I wonder if there exists an exploded diagram of the bow thruster that would help me to understand its mechanisms and how technical problems might be addressed.  My Maramu is the 1989 model launched in 1988 and is hull number 240.  Maude has been unable to supply more than a very rudimentary owners manual. 

With many thanks and kind regards

Graham


On 31/12/2015 18:58, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Graham, as odd as it might sound, Trevor’s suggestion of ‘heat of the moment brain fade’ could be the likely culprit. I have sold hundreds of used Amel’s and offer clients a training period of several days to get them up to speed. On more occasions than you would believe, when things get tense the first few times with the new owner on the helm ( after I demonstrate that “THIS IS EASY”), they lower the thruster and then turn off the power switch the first time they reach for the toggle/joy stick. Especially with short timers, panic ensues and the helmsperson goes into save the boat mode and neglects to turn the power on. Just to make an indelible impression, I wait until the helmsperson gulps, loudly , before restoring power.

If this is the case, don’t feel bad. I’ve had many folks much brighter than I, which is just about everybody, do this. Some have even turned the power back on in their panic without realizing they had turned it off! Go easy on yourself.

Were you fortunate to have the seller/other knowledgeable person spend time with you familiarizing you with your-new-to-you Amel? I sure hope so, If not, find an Amel owner close to you and buy them dinner with many adult beverages if they will get you on the path. Lots of little secrets, all of which add to the greatness and enjoyment of these very cleverly conceived and mostly well engineered cruisers.

Some misconceptions that have been inadvertently offered here…

Your bow thruster is an early Amel BISSON/BUFFLE type, more than likely. Lots of evolution since. It is a 12 volt unit, not 24 volts as on the Super Maramu and subsequent Amel models. It is better than nothing certainly but not a game changer/life saver like the much more powerful 24 volt units that followed. The bow thruster on the Amel 54 is a completely different animal, dual props, counter-rotating, very powerful. Your installed bow thruster won’t allow you to dock your Amel Maramu with impunity in 20 plus knots of wind until you practice and really learn the capabilities and limitations and even then... Practice makes perfect and I try to use the bow thruster as little as possible to keep my boat handling skills alive but do not hesitate to employ it before it is needed.

There is no fuse/thermal limiter on the electric motor on any Amel installed bow thruster on a Sharki, Maramu, Mango, Santorin, Super Maramu, or Amel 54 so don’t go looking for that as there is none

Anybody close to Graham in Barbados? I think you will be getting a dinner invite.

I waited to chime in as I make my living selling experienced Amels and I wanted someone else to make the suggestion that Trevor did. I can’t afford to have anyone feel I have scolded them and I sure hope you don’t. You will love and appreciate this owners group.

Have Fun With Your Amel, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Intermittent bow thruster - Maramu

Graham,

The motor (15hp) has so much torque it will either throw off weed or light plastic immediately, or break the nylon shear bolts.

This is a really lame suggestion, but as it is all a bit new to you, is it possible you turned off the switch beside the toggle switch in the heat of the moment?

The good news is the more that you practice the easier it will become, you will quickly be able to wander through a marina in 25kts+ of winds stern too, without a thought.

Happy new year.

Trevor

Seafever of Cuan

SM 425 Redline 2004

For Sale

$295k

Mexico

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Intermittent bow thruster - Maramu

amelforme
 

Graham, The Bison/Buffle series Amel bow thrusters were the very first generation of what was used later until the end of Super Maramu production. The thruster on the 54 and onwards is very different with little commonality. The thruster on your "last of the series Maramu"is very similar to what is used on the SM 53. The main differences are it is 12 volt so not nearly as powerful and the retraction mechanism. Similar but not the same. That said, if you have a diagram of either, you can understand the basic design and discover the serviceable components which are mainly the shafts lip seals and compression neoprene gaskets. So, the bad news is your thruster isn't real strong/powerful. The good news is your Maramu maneuvers in reverse (and forward for that matter as the prop is just in front of the rudder) MUCH better than the SM 53. Seriously, once you have some weigh on in reverse in a Maramu, you can claw your way port or starboard. As a pilot, think of your boat as a taildragger. Don't quit "flying" it until it's tied down! You will love your Maramu. It is a sweet design.

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Jan 3, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Eric,

Mine is a Maramu and I'm given to understand that the bow thruster is different to the one on a SM and may be something called a BISON/BUFFLE.  However, if there is a useful exploded diagram, I'd be grateful if someone can point me to it. 

Kind regards
Graham
SV Jamesby
M240


On 02/01/2016 18:23, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Graham,

I believe I posted a exploded diagram of the bow thruster mechanism if not it was posted by Bill on BeBe.

There is really nothing to fix inside the thruster.

Basically if the motor turns, unless there is a broken gear inside, the thruster will work.

The electrical connections and the electric jack are another issue.

 

 

My suggestion is to take the boat out of the marina to open water and try making loop de loops in reverse with the bow thruster, it is very easy.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 11:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Intermittent bow thruster - Maramu

 

 

Dear Joel,

Many thanks for your thoughts.  As a retired airline pilot and aviation medicine specialist physician, I'm acutely aware that I may have had brain failure so I certainly don't feel scolded!  In particular, owing to my current inexperience with the boat, the limited space in the marina where I'm berthed and the unnerving proximity of various million dollar yachts, my mental capacity was dramatically reduced by this event and I cannot now be absolutely sure that the bow thruster motor was turning when I diagnosed the failure.  Plainly, if the motor was not turning, then there is a completely different set of possibilities, including the possibility that I'd inadvertently switched it off.  The marina where I'm berthed has virtually no current and is very sheltered so that there is almost no wind so I doubt that they are factors. 

I did have some manoeuvring practice with the previous owner although it was not extensive and all the sternward manoeuvring was accomplished with the aid of the bow thruster.  I agree with you that it makes sense to try to use the standard handling techniques employing prop kick and prop wash rather than resorting to the bow thruster in the first instance and I'm trying to acquire the necessary skills.  However, I've been warned by a friend, who is a very experienced SM owner, to expect it to be very difficult to manage when it is making sternway so I'm currently developing a plan for managing my berthing in the event of another bow thruster failure.  I'm also planning to take the boat out tomorrow and to dive to observe the bow thruster functioning. 

Finally, I wonder if there exists an exploded diagram of the bow thruster that would help me to understand its mechanisms and how technical problems might be addressed.  My Maramu is the 1989 model launched in 1988 and is hull number 240.  Maude has been unable to supply more than a very rudimentary owners manual. 

With many thanks and kind regards

Graham

On 31/12/2015 18:58, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Graham, as odd as it might sound, Trevor’s suggestion of ‘heat of the moment brain fade’ could be the likely culprit. I have sold hundreds of used Amel’s and offer clients a training period of several days to get them up to speed. On more occasions than you would believe, when things get tense the first few times with the new owner on the helm ( after I demonstrate that “THIS IS EASY”), they lower the thruster and then turn off the power switch the first time they reach for the toggle/joy stick. Especially with short timers, panic ensues and the helmsperson goes into save the boat mode and neglects to turn the power on. Just to make an indelible impression, I wait until the helmsperson gulps, loudly , before restoring power.

If this is the case, don’t feel bad. I’ve had many folks much brighter than I, which is just about everybody, do this. Some have even turned the power back on in their panic without realizing they had turned it off! Go easy on yourself.

Were you fortunate to have the seller/other knowledgeable person spend time with you familiarizing you with your-new-to-you Amel? I sure hope so, If not, find an Amel owner close to you and buy them dinner with many adult beverages if they will get you on the path. Lots of little secrets, all of which add to the greatness and enjoyment of these very cleverly conceived and mostly well engineered cruisers.

Some misconceptions that have been inadvertently offered here…

Your bow thruster is an early Amel BISSON/BUFFLE type, more than likely. Lots of evolution since. It is a 12 volt unit, not 24 volts as on the Super Maramu and subsequent Amel models. It is better than nothing certainly but not a game changer/life saver like the much more powerful 24 volt units that followed. The bow thruster on the Amel 54 is a completely different animal, dual props, counter-rotating, very powerful. Your installed bow thruster won’t allow you to dock your Amel Maramu with impunity in 20 plus knots of wind until you practice and really learn the capabilities and limitations and even then... Practice makes perfect and I try to use the bow thruster as little as possible to keep my boat handling skills alive but do not hesitate to employ it before it is needed.

There is no fuse/thermal limiter on the electric motor on any Amel installed bow thruster on a Sharki, Maramu, Mango, Santorin, Super Maramu, or Amel 54 so don’t go looking for that as there is none

Anybody close to Graham in Barbados? I think you will be getting a dinner invite.

I waited to chime in as I make my living selling experienced Amels and I wanted someone else to make the suggestion that Trevor did. I can’t afford to have anyone feel I have scolded them and I sure hope you don’t. You will love and appreciate this owners group.

Have Fun With Your Amel, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Intermittent bow thruster - Maramu

Graham,

The motor (15hp) has so much torque it will either throw off weed or light plastic immediately, or break the nylon shear bolts.

This is a really lame suggestion, but as it is all a bit new to you, is it possible you turned off the switch beside the toggle switch in the heat of the moment?

The good news is the more that you practice the easier it will become, you will quickly be able to wander through a marina in 25kts+ of winds stern too, without a thought.

Happy new year.

Trevor

Seafever of Cuan

SM 425 Redline 2004

For Sale

$295k

Mexico

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Intermittent bow thruster - Maramu

Graham Cresswell <grahamjcresswell@...>
 

Thanks Andrew,

I'm beginning to wonder if, during the panic, I wrongly thought that the bow thruster motor was turning. If it wasn't then plainly the brushes move up the list of possibilities.

Kind regards

Graham
SV Jamesby
M240


On 01/01/2016 11:07, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Hi Graham

One other thought is that in retrospect we did have some intermittent issues with the bow thruster motor just before it finally failed and I had to do some work on the cooper connections to the commutator. I guess it is also possible for the same intermittency from worn bow thruster motor brushes.

Andrew
Ronpische
SM 472

On 31 Dec 2015, at 17:53, Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Andrew,

I haven't been able to inspect it yet but I figure it must be as the bow thruster worked normally once I was on the berth.

Many thanks for your response

Graham
SV Jamesby
M240
currently in Barbados

On 31/12/2015 15:00, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Hi Graham

Is the propeller still there? It is designed to break off at the plastic bolts if it catches something? If the motor is still turning but there is no propulsion this would seem the most likely cause, either that or it was not properly descended into the water I think it is possible in older Maramus for the bow thruster to be actuated when not completely down.

Andrew

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Intermittent bow thruster - Maramu

I'm a very new owner of a Maramu and yesterday I had an apparent failure of the bow thruster. Although it was obvious that the motor was turning, the bowdid notrespond. After I got on to my berth (with difficulty - I'm still learning to handle it in reverse!) I tried it again and it worked normally.

Can anyone offer an explanation and, if possible, a course of action. I considered cavitation (unlikely, I think), or the prop slipping on its drive shaft orsome foreign object like a plastic bag or piece of weed obstructing the prop.

Can anyone offer other ideas or experience?

Graham Cresswell

SV Jamesby

Maramy #240




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Intermittent bow thruster - Maramu

Graham Cresswell <grahamjcresswell@...>
 

Thanks Eric,

Mine is a Maramu and I'm given to understand that the bow thruster is different to the one on a SM and may be something called a BISON/BUFFLE.  However, if there is a useful exploded diagram, I'd be grateful if someone can point me to it. 

Kind regards
Graham
SV Jamesby
M240


On 02/01/2016 18:23, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Graham,

I believe I posted a exploded diagram of the bow thruster mechanism if not it was posted by Bill on BeBe.

There is really nothing to fix inside the thruster.

Basically if the motor turns, unless there is a broken gear inside, the thruster will work.

The electrical connections and the electric jack are another issue.

 

 

My suggestion is to take the boat out of the marina to open water and try making loop de loops in reverse with the bow thruster, it is very easy.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 11:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Intermittent bow thruster - Maramu

 

 

Dear Joel,

Many thanks for your thoughts.  As a retired airline pilot and aviation medicine specialist physician, I'm acutely aware that I may have had brain failure so I certainly don't feel scolded!  In particular, owing to my current inexperience with the boat, the limited space in the marina where I'm berthed and the unnerving proximity of various million dollar yachts, my mental capacity was dramatically reduced by this event and I cannot now be absolutely sure that the bow thruster motor was turning when I diagnosed the failure.  Plainly, if the motor was not turning, then there is a completely different set of possibilities, including the possibility that I'd inadvertently switched it off.  The marina where I'm berthed has virtually no current and is very sheltered so that there is almost no wind so I doubt that they are factors. 

I did have some manoeuvring practice with the previous owner although it was not extensive and all the sternward manoeuvring was accomplished with the aid of the bow thruster.  I agree with you that it makes sense to try to use the standard handling techniques employing prop kick and prop wash rather than resorting to the bow thruster in the first instance and I'm trying to acquire the necessary skills.  However, I've been warned by a friend, who is a very experienced SM owner, to expect it to be very difficult to manage when it is making sternway so I'm currently developing a plan for managing my berthing in the event of another bow thruster failure.  I'm also planning to take the boat out tomorrow and to dive to observe the bow thruster functioning. 

Finally, I wonder if there exists an exploded diagram of the bow thruster that would help me to understand its mechanisms and how technical problems might be addressed.  My Maramu is the 1989 model launched in 1988 and is hull number 240.  Maude has been unable to supply more than a very rudimentary owners manual. 

With many thanks and kind regards

Graham

On 31/12/2015 18:58, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Graham, as odd as it might sound, Trevor’s suggestion of ‘heat of the moment brain fade’ could be the likely culprit. I have sold hundreds of used Amel’s and offer clients a training period of several days to get them up to speed. On more occasions than you would believe, when things get tense the first few times with the new owner on the helm ( after I demonstrate that “THIS IS EASY”), they lower the thruster and then turn off the power switch the first time they reach for the toggle/joy stick. Especially with short timers, panic ensues and the helmsperson goes into save the boat mode and neglects to turn the power on. Just to make an indelible impression, I wait until the helmsperson gulps, loudly , before restoring power.

If this is the case, don’t feel bad. I’ve had many folks much brighter than I, which is just about everybody, do this. Some have even turned the power back on in their panic without realizing they had turned it off! Go easy on yourself.

Were you fortunate to have the seller/other knowledgeable person spend time with you familiarizing you with your-new-to-you Amel? I sure hope so, If not, find an Amel owner close to you and buy them dinner with many adult beverages if they will get you on the path. Lots of little secrets, all of which add to the greatness and enjoyment of these very cleverly conceived and mostly well engineered cruisers.

Some misconceptions that have been inadvertently offered here…

Your bow thruster is an early Amel BISSON/BUFFLE type, more than likely. Lots of evolution since. It is a 12 volt unit, not 24 volts as on the Super Maramu and subsequent Amel models. It is better than nothing certainly but not a game changer/life saver like the much more powerful 24 volt units that followed. The bow thruster on the Amel 54 is a completely different animal, dual props, counter-rotating, very powerful. Your installed bow thruster won’t allow you to dock your Amel Maramu with impunity in 20 plus knots of wind until you practice and really learn the capabilities and limitations and even then... Practice makes perfect and I try to use the bow thruster as little as possible to keep my boat handling skills alive but do not hesitate to employ it before it is needed.

There is no fuse/thermal limiter on the electric motor on any Amel installed bow thruster on a Sharki, Maramu, Mango, Santorin, Super Maramu, or Amel 54 so don’t go looking for that as there is none

Anybody close to Graham in Barbados? I think you will be getting a dinner invite.

I waited to chime in as I make my living selling experienced Amels and I wanted someone else to make the suggestion that Trevor did. I can’t afford to have anyone feel I have scolded them and I sure hope you don’t. You will love and appreciate this owners group.

Have Fun With Your Amel, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Intermittent bow thruster - Maramu

Graham,

The motor (15hp) has so much torque it will either throw off weed or light plastic immediately, or break the nylon shear bolts.

This is a really lame suggestion, but as it is all a bit new to you, is it possible you turned off the switch beside the toggle switch in the heat of the moment?

The good news is the more that you practice the easier it will become, you will quickly be able to wander through a marina in 25kts+ of winds stern too, without a thought.

Happy new year.

Trevor

Seafever of Cuan

SM 425 Redline 2004

For Sale

$295k

Mexico

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Intermittent bow thruster - Maramu

Graham Cresswell <grahamjcresswell@...>
 

Jean Pierre,

It's definitely hull number 240 - it's a Maramu and not a Super Maramu but I agree with you that it behaves more like a long-keeler than a fin and skeg. 

Amitié et bonne année

Graham


On 02/01/2016 17:11, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:Amitie

 

Hello Graham,


We are birds of a feather in various ways (pun intended).  Retired Airline pilot/gynaecologist(amateur)!!  :-)

Eleuthera is hull number 007 built in 1989 … doubtful yours is number 240… perhaps more like 024.

As far as steering while going astern, the bugger is almost as bad as a full keel; however, fully manageable if one counts in wind/tide effects and has a brain capable of doing 1,000,000 calculations a second.  Not capable of so many tasks instantly, I have decided to use the Amel formula and to spend some handling time with (non judgemental) friends.

GL and enjoy your boat.



Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007


On 2 Jan 2016, at 17:02, Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dear Joel,

Many thanks for your thoughts.  As a retired airline pilot and aviation medicine specialist physician, I'm acutely aware that I may have had brain failure so I certainly don't feel scolded!  In particular, owing to my current inexperience with the boat, the limited space in the marina where I'm berthed and the unnerving proximity of various million dollar yachts, my mental capacity was dramatically reduced by this event and I cannot now be absolutely sure that the bow thruster motor was turning when I diagnosed the failure.  Plainly, if the motor was not turning, then there is a completely different set of possibilities, including the possibility that I'd inadvertently switched it off.  The marina where I'm berthed has virtually no current and is very sheltered so that there is almost no wind so I doubt that they are factors. 

I did have some manoeuvring practice with the previous owner although it was not extensive and all the sternward manoeuvring was accomplished with the aid of the bow thruster.  I agree with you that it makes sense to try to use the standard handling techniques employing prop kick and prop wash rather than resorting to the bow thruster in the first instance and I'm trying to acquire the necessary skills.  However, I've been warned by a friend, who is a very experienced SM owner, to expect it to be very difficult to manage when it is making sternway so I'm currently developing a plan for managing my berthing in the event of another bow thruster failure.  I'm also planning to take the boat out tomorrow and to dive to observe the bow thruster functioning. 

Finally, I wonder if there exists an exploded diagram of the bow thruster that would help me to understand its mechanisms and how technical problems might be addressed.  My Maramu is the 1989 model launched in 1988 and is hull number 240.  Maude has been unable to supply more than a very rudimentary owners manual. 

With many thanks and kind regards

Graham


On 31/12/2015 18:58, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Graham, as odd as it might sound, Trevor’s suggestion of ‘heat of the moment brain fade’ could be the likely culprit. I have sold hundreds of used Amel’s and offer clients a training period of several days to get them up to speed. On more occasions than you would believe, when things get tense the first few times with the new owner on the helm ( after I demonstrate that “THIS IS EASY”), they lower the thruster and then turn off the power switch the first time they reach for the toggle/joy stick. Especially with short timers, panic ensues and the helmsperson goes into save the boat mode and neglects to turn the power on. Just to make an indelible impression, I wait until the helmsperson gulps, loudly , before restoring power.

If this is the case, don’t feel bad. I’ve had many folks much brighter than I, which is just about everybody, do this. Some have even turned the power back on in their panic without realizing they had turned it off! Go easy on yourself.

Were you fortunate to have the seller/other knowledgeable person spend time with you familiarizing you with your-new-to-you Amel? I sure hope so, If not, find an Amel owner close to you and buy them dinner with many adult beverages if they will get you on the path. Lots of little secrets, all of which add to the greatness and enjoyment of these very cleverly conceived and mostly well engineered cruisers.

Some misconceptions that have been inadvertently offered here…

Your bow thruster is an early Amel BISSON/BUFFLE type, more than likely. Lots of evolution since. It is a 12 volt unit, not 24 volts as on the Super Maramu and subsequent Amel models. It is better than nothing certainly but not a game changer/life saver like the much more powerful 24 volt units that followed. The bow thruster on the Amel 54 is a completely different animal, dual props, counter-rotating, very powerful. Your installed bow thruster won’t allow you to dock your Amel Maramu with impunity in 20 plus knots of wind until you practice and really learn the capabilities and limitations and even then... Practice makes perfect and I try to use the bow thruster as little as possible to keep my boat handling skills alive but do not hesitate to employ it before it is needed.

There is no fuse/thermal limiter on the electric motor on any Amel installed bow thruster on a Sharki, Maramu, Mango, Santorin, Super Maramu, or Amel 54 so don’t go looking for that as there is none

Anybody close to Graham in Barbados? I think you will be getting a dinner invite.

I waited to chime in as I make my living selling experienced Amels and I wanted someone else to make the suggestion that Trevor did. I can’t afford to have anyone feel I have scolded them and I sure hope you don’t. You will love and appreciate this owners group.

Have Fun With Your Amel, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Intermittent bow thruster - Maramu

Graham,

The motor (15hp) has so much torque it will either throw off weed or light plastic immediately, or break the nylon shear bolts.

This is a really lame suggestion, but as it is all a bit new to you, is it possible you turned off the switch beside the toggle switch in the heat of the moment?

The good news is the more that you practice the easier it will become, you will quickly be able to wander through a marina in 25kts+ of winds stern too, without a thought.

Happy new year.

Trevor

Seafever of Cuan

SM 425 Redline 2004

For Sale

$295k

Mexico

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Re: Amel Santorin 108 Vagabundo repaint mast and new rig

Herbert Lackner
 

one note to my previous message, for fairness:  painting the mast has been done in kusadasi by "Basar" with excellent quality, quality problems have been only with "Yakomoz". 

If anyone plans to make amel service work in Kusadasi Basar is a good contact and someone to trust, but run away from Yakomoz (the mechanic) as far as you can  :-) 

tadeja and herbert
SN120, KALI MERA
Mindelo, Capo Verde


Re: Amel Santorin 108 Vagabundo repaint mast and new rig

antonio scipioni
 

Hi herbert,
thank you for your info, my paint on the masts is no so bad, so I am thinking to sand only the broken parts repaint all the masts and boom manteining (where is ok) the old paint using a primer up the old paint.


Re: Amel Santorin 108 Vagabundo repaint mast and new rig

antonio scipioni
 

Hi herbert,
thank you for your info, my paint on the masts is no so bad, so I am thinking to sand only the broken parts repaint all the masts and boom manteining (where is ok) the old paint using a primer up the old paint.


Re: Amel Santorin 108 Vagabundo repaint mast and new rig

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi Antonio,

we changed the standing rigging and painted the mast last winter in turkey.  we bought the new rig from ACMO what seemed to be the best and cheapest solution, everything did fit perfect!  the mast, boom,... has been completely dismounted (take winches... off) , everything has been sanded, then AWLGRIP primer and paint. It is like new now, one year later. I also recommend to exchange all the electric cables and eventually the lines. It is also a good chance to service the winches, the furling...

We had mechanics (Yakomoz) in Kusadasi doing the work and I had to watch the whole process because they worked with horrible quality (they told me that they are experienced with amel but they are not -  and that was really a problem...). Make sure you use aluminium rivets and not steel, put grease in the foil..., do not over-tigthen the backstays, eventually change the "gummi-lines" in the booms, make sure that the masts are straight and not bended...  In the end I did many of the things by my own until it was ok.

tadeja and herbert

SN120 KALI MERA
Mindelo, Cap verde



 

  


Re: SM shower curtain size?

yahoogroups@...
 

Russ,

Congratulations. The shower curtains are custom made and not off-the-shelf.

I would check with SAV"at"Amel.fr to see if they have any. The forward is different than the aft. You will probably be ordering some Amel only parts. Include them with your order.

Bill
BeBe 387


Re: Bilge Pump on Super Maramu

yahoogroups@...
 

There is a second pump. It is the manual pump. I have a spare electric gray water bilge pump. It is the exact "Marina" pump. I can swap pumps in about 10 minutes.

I hope this helps you with your decision.

Bill
BeBe 387


Amel 54 and Freezer # 1

galacsea2000 <no_reply@...>
 

This unit (the one in front of the stainless steel vertical door fridge) has lost all its "Cooling" liquid/material. (It is not Freon but something called R....).

To find the source of the leak, I have to get access to the compressor, the evaporator and the pipes that connect them.

Has anyone already experienced how to get access to that unit?

Many thanks for any input on that matter.
JP


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM shower curtain size?

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Eric,

Stand in line at the back... Mine is 27 years old and still looks fantastic.

😃

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 3 Jan 2016, at 01:30, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Congrats on your new beauty !!!

I would order it from Amel or at least the textile and the sliders.

I do not know what the curtains are made of. I have never had a boat where the curtain does not get gross from mold after a few years . Mine are the original 13 year old ones and look like new.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 7:23 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM shower curtain size?

 

 

Does anyone know the size of the shower curtains for the Super Maramu? Are they a "standard" type curtain? We are away and can't take a measure.

 

We finally found "the boat" and closed on it a couple of days ago.

 

Thanks!

 

Russ

SM116 Arctic Tern


Bilge Pump on Super Maramu

Juan de Zulueta
 

I would like to know if somebody has installed a second bilge pump in a super Maramu.

If yes can you send me some pictures of the installation?


Many thanks in advance



Juan de Zulueta

SM year 1990


Phone +33680895892



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM shower curtain size?

eric freedman
 

Congrats on your new beauty !!!

I would order it from Amel or at least the textile and the sliders.

I do not know what the curtains are made of. I have never had a boat where the curtain does not get gross from mold after a few years . Mine are the original 13 year old ones and look like new.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 7:23 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM shower curtain size?

 

 

Does anyone know the size of the shower curtains for the Super Maramu? Are they a "standard" type curtain? We are away and can't take a measure.

 

We finally found "the boat" and closed on it a couple of days ago.

 

Thanks!

 

Russ

SM116 Arctic Tern


SM shower curtain size?

russ.roberts.va@...
 

Does anyone know the size of the shower curtains for the Super Maramu? Are they a "standard" type curtain? We are away and can't take a measure.


We finally found "the boat" and closed on it a couple of days ago.


Thanks!


Russ

SM116 Arctic Tern


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Engine issue

Mark Erdos
 

Rick,

 

It sounds as though you are sucking in air somewhere. It you have a loose fitting or seal prior to the raw water pump, air is less resistant than water to move by the raw water pump. The raw water pump is self priming meaning, if you do have air in the system, it should pass it though and pull water from the strainer. But, the system has to be sealed or it will move air. To remedy this, start at the transmission and work your way to the raw water pump. You are looking for broken or lose hose clamps (everything should be double clamped on this side of the pump). Also, check the hoses along this area. A small pin hole will cause the systems you describe. Especially check the hoses near the clamps as this is where they tend to fail. Once you get to the pump, check the o ring seal on the cover. At some point in the path you should have an “ah ha” moment. This should solve your problem.

 

One more thought: I’m not sure if this could cause the symptoms described but check the cap on the strainer to ensure it is on tight.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Green Turtle Cove – Abaco Islands - Bahamas

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 12:41 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Engine issue

 

 

Surely there is an easy fix but…this has me stumped:

I have the Yanmar 4JH-3-HTE engine on my SM2000 (#404).  When I start it up cold, no water flows from the impeller to the heat exchanger.  A large air bubble forms in the bottom of the translucent hose that goes from the impeller and, of course, the engine begins to overheat if not shut down.  (Before I detected this problem, we overheated and melted the plastic muffler early into the Salty Dawg venture last month). 

Impeller recently replaced and working fine, water is flowing freely from the sea chest (e.g., when the heads are filled or the air conditioning is turned on), belts are new and snug.  There are no leaks, water or air, that I can detect anywhere along the path from the sea chest to and through the engine. 

But here’s the interesting part:

When I disconnect the hose from the heat exchanger (the hose that goes from the impeller to the heat exchanger), lay it down on the floor of the boat below the level of the impeller, and then start the engine, the water (and bubbles) starts flowing forcefully through the hose into the bilge—after which, with engine still running, I immediately slam the end of the hose back into the heat exchanger and tighten it down, the water continues to flow forcefully as it should (but no bubbles), the engine remains cool, and all is right with the world.

It seems to stay ‘primed’ if I shut it down and start it again after only a few hours.  However, if I start the engine up after a couple of days of not running the engine, I then have the same symptoms and cure it with the same solution.  

Thoughts? Ideas? THANKS!

Rick Grimes

S/V Rascal

Amel SM2K (#404)

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Microwave dimensions

eric freedman
 

Alan,

Thanks-There is one available here that was mentioned on this site.

I hope mine is the same size as yours. I will order it and hope it fits.

Thanks

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 5:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Microwave dimensions

 

 

Hi Eric,

Ours is 525W x 310H x 414mmD

Happy New Year

Alan

Elyse

SM437


Re: Microwave dimensions

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Eric,
Ours is 525W x 310H x 414mmD
Happy New Year
Alan
Elyse
SM437