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Re: Lithium and the "first mover" dilemma

Paul Brown
 

Hi Tom, 

I can share my experience using the Mastervolt MLI Ultra 24/5000 x4  = 720ah and the range of MV chargers, including MV solar charger and MV management system on board Fortuna for the past 5 years, I have found it to be an truly amazing experience after owning 5 other vessels over the last 16 years and 100% reliable.

Also with the support from mastervolt providing peace of mind and as they have suggested the batteries could last 20+ years by their account with ample cycles specified, If this is to be the case I expect it to be a most realistic and worth while investment compared to previous technology and the most economic outlay long term.

I would suggest you should consider speaking with a reliable mastervolt technician and ask questions.

All the best 

Regards Paul - Fortuna II 55/17


On 25 Sep 2019, at 6:06 pm, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

I've read with great interest the insightful posts of the group on this topic. Like most Amelians, I envision L'ORIENT (SM2K 422) with a lithium battery system in the future. But when ? This space seems to be still evolving and the costs of conversion are intimidating. A few recent posts included conversion costs (others have not). More than $20k is the placeholder I keep in my head. And the missing data point in all these impressive technical posts is the 600 pound gorilla in the room....how long does all this stuff last ? While saving fuel and running A/C off batteries is mind blowing stuff, $20k buys 8 lead acid battery banks (of 12 each). The health of the lithium batteries seems to depend on quite a bit of peripheral technology and there are undeniably some unknowns out there that impact this question. I'm sure the tone of the very comprehensive "one year out" update would change if the batteries failed in 4 years. Anyway, I would count myself in the group wanting to be a late adopter vs a last adopter. Wondering how others perceive this ?

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K 422
Bocas del Toro Panama

Re: Bow thruster seals

rossirossix4
 

Hi Danny,
I've wondered about this.  How do you spot water in the bow thruster?
Bob, KAIMI SM 429

Flashback:  Years ago (12?) our Santorin we were anchored near Ocean Pearl outside the Annapolis boat show.  Earlier I had mentioned that we always leave a note with our names and cell phone numbers near our helm.  Got a call from Danny as we were headed to our dingy from the show....a Pinky Schooner was on a rope rode and wandering around smacking into boats.....Danny had remembered this and located our number and called us.  The schooner had bent our lifeline tubing but we were able to prevent another attack (with his help) and warn other boats!  We've always left our number in the cockpit--actually had a plastic placard made up-- AND we use magic marker to put our cell numbers on the dingy transom.  

Lithium and the "first mover" dilemma

Thomas Kleman
 

I've read with great interest the insightful posts of the group on this topic. Like most Amelians, I envision L'ORIENT (SM2K 422) with a lithium battery system in the future. But when ? This space seems to be still evolving and the costs of conversion are intimidating. A few recent posts included conversion costs (others have not). More than $20k is the placeholder I keep in my head. And the missing data point in all these impressive technical posts is the 600 pound gorilla in the room....how long does all this stuff last ? While saving fuel and running A/C off batteries is mind blowing stuff, $20k buys 8 lead acid battery banks (of 12 each). The health of the lithium batteries seems to depend on quite a bit of peripheral technology and there are undeniably some unknowns out there that impact this question. I'm sure the tone of the very comprehensive "one year out" update would change if the batteries failed in 4 years. Anyway, I would count myself in the group wanting to be a late adopter vs a last adopter. Wondering how others perceive this ?

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K 422
Bocas del Toro Panama

Why has the Amel 54 no boom vang?

Arno Luijten
 

Dear forum,

Our Amel 54 is the first sailboat we own that lacks a boom vang. Why is this? I notice the A55 and the A64 both do have a vang and I think I've seen some SMs with a vang as well.
How do you limit excessive twist in the main at broad reach. Rigging a preventer may be a way to do this by seems to be unpractical as you will need to adjust it in combination with the main sheet making that almost a two person job.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121

Re: Canvas work in Eastern Med

Nathalie Schyler & Bruno Moller
 

Hello everybody

We are new to the Group, sailing this Autumn with our Super Maramu “Galatea”  from Rome to Sicily.This is our first post in the group.

Oliver , we made our winter enclosure two years ago near Barcelona, Spain.We are happy with work done by FUNDAS MAREMAR at El Masnau.
Attached some photographs hoping there are of help.

Best Regards


Nathalie & Bruno
SY GALATEA


On 24 Sep 2019, at 10:18, Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:

We r just going to build a winter enclosure. 

Any hints that we should care for? 
Do you have some fotos? 

Oliver 
A54#39 
Portugal 

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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Canvas work in Eastern Med
From: Davi Rozgonyi 
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
CC: 


[Edited Message Follows]

You could look at Southwest Sails in Turkey. The PO of our SM had a full enclosure made there 6 or more years ago, still looks and works beautifully. You could call it a winter enclosure in that every gap and opening is battened down, but all of it rolls up or (unzips in panels if you prefer) to make it into more or less a bimini. Sailing in 30 knots of wind middle of Feb along corsica we were playing canasta in sweatpants at the table. Love it.... Bonus of course they already have the plans for the SM. In our case, it also involved making the headroom as tall as possible beneath the boom, so maybe a 6' person can stand fully upright. 

www.southwestsails.com.tr

Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Patrick McAneny
 

Aras, We have 17 people at our table for 16 ,but I would think you could reserve a table next to us. There may be others that may want to join you as well. Certainly is a lot of Amels on the Bay this time of the year !
See Ya There,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Aras Grinius <svfiasco@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Sep 25, 2019 7:34 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

Is it too late for dinner?  Vickers and I would to join you.
Aras & Vickers


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Aras Grinius
SV FIASCO
Sharki #163



Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Aras Grinius
 

Is it too late for dinner? Vickers and I would to join you.
Aras & Vickers


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Aras Grinius
SV FIASCO
Sharki #163

Jose--- Bow thruster seals

eric freedman
 

Hi Jose,
Please send me your email address to
Kimberlite@...
Thanks
Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Jose Venegas via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 10:07 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bow thruster seals

Hi Danny,
Good luck with your seal. It could have been a bad seal but it is also
possible that the shaft is no longer lined up and over time the seals get
deformed and looses its lip tension. At one point even new seals will not
be able to adapt to the lack of alignment and begin to leak soon after
installed.

Jose
Ipanema SM2K 278
Boston

Re: Bow thruster seals

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Jose,
This is probably the third time in 11 years I have done an in water, between haul-out lip seal replacement. Just routine. As soon as I see a trace of water I act. Hasn't happened too often and I don't expect any problems this time. If so I know who to contact.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
Enjoying Fiji

Re: Bow thruster seals

Jose Venegas
 

Hi Danny,
Good luck with your seal. It could have been a bad seal but it is also possible that the shaft is no longer lined up and over time the seals get deformed and looses its lip tension. At one point even new seals will not be able to adapt to the lack of alignment and begin to leak soon after installed.

Jose
Ipanema SM2K 278
Boston

New file uploaded to main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

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You can access this file at the URL:
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You can access this file at the URL:
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Re: OG Maramu Mizzen Sheet Cars

smiles bernard
 

I have also taken this approach with a machine shop
Interested to know how people approached it as originally if was an interference fit 
How did you reassemble the disk onto the pin?
As a temp measure I used a 8 or 10mm (can’t remember which) Cotter pin
Worked well and easy to lift from above. 

All the best
Miles
162 uk


On 18 Sep 2019, at 16:10, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

Dennis is correct.
No problem to order a machine shop for a new disk. Often the pin is still OK.
I have changed all disks.

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Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: [Amel] Sharki roller furler Swivel Mizzen mast

Tom Whitehill
 

Hi Tom,

You mention "Getting them (the swivels) out of the mast is the work".

I'm at this point.

Would you kindly describe the steps you took to remove the pinion as that appears to be the final obstacle?

Also, did you have any significant difficulties getting the gears back in?

Thanks, Tom Whitehill
Sharki #123

Re: Mast hight A54

 

Yes, but in my experience the 20 meter standard cable length is not quite long enough to get to the B&G junction box, and there is very little difference in the 213 Masthead Mount with 20m of cable versus 25m. Each length is standard. Occasionally it is the mount and cable that needs replacing because the mount cracks and allows water to migrate inside. Most of the time it is a replaceable component in the 213MHU.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 10:49 AM Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Oliver,

the AMEL 54 main mast length is 18.50 m.

Olivier

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019, 03:27:05 PM GMT+2, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Oliver,

The transducer is a B&G 213MHU and is available from https://www.aandtinstruments.com/
The transducer is repairable and parts are available

The transducer is connected to the B&G 213 Mount which comes with either 20 or 25 meter cable. You will need the 25 meter wire with the 213MHU.

Email "Sarah Covey" <sarah@...>

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 5:25 AM Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:
Hello,

I need to fit a new wind transducer ontop of my mast.

For the cable length I will need the length of the mast from deck to masttop not incl. Antennas.

Does anybody know it?

Oliver
A54#39
Vela Nautica
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


Re: Mast hight A54

Beaute Olivier
 

Hi Oliver,

the AMEL 54 main mast length is 18.50 m.

Olivier

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019, 03:27:05 PM GMT+2, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Oliver,

The transducer is a B&G 213MHU and is available from https://www.aandtinstruments.com/
The transducer is repairable and parts are available

The transducer is connected to the B&G 213 Mount which comes with either 20 or 25 meter cable. You will need the 25 meter wire with the 213MHU.

Email "Sarah Covey" <sarah@...>

--

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 5:25 AM Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:
Hello,

I need to fit a new wind transducer ontop of my mast.

For the cable length I will need the length of the mast from deck to masttop not incl. Antennas.

Does anybody know it?

Oliver
A54#39
Vela Nautica
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


Re: Mast hight A54

 

Oliver,

The transducer is a B&G 213MHU and is available from https://www.aandtinstruments.com/
The transducer is repairable and parts are available

The transducer is connected to the B&G 213 Mount which comes with either 20 or 25 meter cable. You will need the 25 meter wire with the 213MHU.

Email "Sarah Covey" <sarah@...>

--

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 5:25 AM Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:
Hello,

I need to fit a new wind transducer ontop of my mast.

For the cable length I will need the length of the mast from deck to masttop not incl. Antennas.

Does anybody know it?

Oliver
A54#39
Vela Nautica
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


Re: Bow thruster seals

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Jose 

Sounds a good system. So far the standard amel seals have done the job for me. I have just done an in water lip seal change  I always carry a spare. A slight leak had developed on the sail to fiji from nz. The seal I removed had lost its lip tension and was a loose fit. On past experience I wont need to change it again before my next haulout.

Kind regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean pearl

On 24 September 2019 at 14:50 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Jose,

What is your email address?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jose Venegas via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 1:32 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bow thruster seals

 

Danny,
I understand very well how the system SHOULD work and, if everything is new, the seals should work as designed.  Unfortunately, wear can change the system and, in my case nothing worked to stop the leak, including several adjustments of cable tension, and increasing compression by the pin.  As I said in my previous e-mails, I believe the problem occurs because the wear of the surfaces between the hull and the thruster that guide its motion result in a misalignment between the trunk and the seal, causing a lateral force on the lip seal which makes it incompetent allowing water intake.  The misalignment also results in the sealing surfaces between the donut seals and the hull are no longer parallel affecting its sealing action.   Following Amel instructions and wasting seals, money and time I realized that the problem could be corrected by designing a seal that would be made of a softer material and have lips that could maintain the seal in the presence of misalignment.   That solved the problem 3 years ago and I have had a dry bilge ever since.!!
In my design, I used two seals in series: a silicone wiper below and a silicone u-cup on top. This results in a slight protrusion of the seal above the horizontal fiberglass surface, as it can be seen in the pix I sent before.    I used silicone glue to secure the seals in place and was planning to add washers to secure them to the fiberglass, but after several months of procrastination, I realized that the glue was sufficient to keep the seals in place.  3 years later, using the thruster twice per week, almost every week during 6 months each summer, including a Marion to Bermuda race the seals are still working as new.  Since I add silicone grease to the trunk every year and, given the number of times (~50/year) that I use the thruster,   I am expecting that they will last a very long time.  So far I have serviced the thruster every year but have decided not to change any of the seals, including the donut seals, which looked in excellent condition.

I just received the quote from the seal manufacturer and it is as follows:

10 pcs. Silicone wiper $ 31.65ea.

10 pcs. Silicone u-cup  $ 32.50ea.


This it will be about $65 per set plus shipment and It will take  14-17 business days to ship from the order

so far I have received requests from:

Bob Ross, sv Nomad, Trinidad (1 set) 
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece (?sets)
Chuck_Kim_Joy (? sets)

Steve Davis Aloha SM72  Ko Olina, Hawaii (? sets)
Mark, Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 (? sets)
Dan Taylor (2 sets)

Gerald Bassin Jetlag, SM113 (2 sets)

Since I want to place the order this week I will appreciate if each of you can e-mail me directly with your e-mail, the number of sets you want and the address two where it should be shipped.   
We still need to figure out the cost of shipping to each one of you and how you will transfer me the money, but given that is something we can figure out later.


Jose 
Ipanema SM2k 278, Boston

 



 


 

Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Aras Grinius
 

Vickers and I will also be around the boat show. Since we’re locals if anybody needs questions answered let us know.

Aras & Vickers
S/v Fiasco


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Aras Grinius
SV FIASCO
Sharki #163

Mast hight A54

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hello,

I need to fit a new wind transducer ontop of my mast.

For the cable length I will need the length of the mast from deck to masttop not incl. Antennas.

Does anybody know it?

Oliver
A54#39
Vela Nautica
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile