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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A take on the 55

galacsea2000 <no_reply@...>
 

Oliver Racoupeau


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

hanspeter baettig
 

Ok lol
Go to buy an amel , you are on the save side of sailing, independent how you finance your dream. Bluewater sailing is a way of life and like for most of us Amel owners (with or without of sea berth ūüėé, you can always sleep on the bottom), we like the ocean and the tradewinds.
Hanspeter

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Am 22.03.2016 um 21:12 schrieb Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:

Great question. Two reasons, money is always an issue, and I believe the 64 is about twice the cost of a new 55. Plus or minus.

And more important, the 64 has the same sub-optimal layout as the 55. All the extra room seems to be for common areas, and if I'm not mistaken, the sea berth is absent, so you could even say it's less accommodating to long term guests who wish to have some private space.

So, being motivated just by the layout, I'm still looking at the 54 as ideal, and trying to evaluate the "value proposition" of the 55 so that it justifies the sacrifice of layout. I see no advantage to the 64, but maybe this learned group can help me. Frankly, I'm not really into spending that much on depreciating assets if I don't have to, and as a long term boat owner of all different types, I couldn't agree with you more about the maintenance costs be logarithmically larger as you increase LOA.

One of the ways I convinced my wife to do this was that becoming expats and not paying state income taxes for five years would offset the cost of the depreciation in the vessel, thereby making the trip "free." :):):) Not sure that quite works if I get a new 64. lol




From: "'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout


Ken
Only my 1 cent input. Why you do not buy an Amel 64 , so as you said "looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages"
As I understand you , you talk about 54, 55 etc. ( for me its a huge different of boats) so I assume money is not the main decision maker for you. I think buying a yacht is easy. Maintaining the boat ( you said you have a 5 years calender ??) Thats the real challange and money.

As I said, only my one cent input
Hanspeter
SM 16, Tamango 2

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Am 22.03.2016 um 13:24 schrieb Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:

Bob -- thank you for this input. Very helpful.

Our plan is to have a stream of family and friends join us for large portions of trip. We have a 5 year calendar with one to two couples joining for most of it. I would agree with you about normally not having many guests, and perhaps our friends will bail when the time actually comes, but for us we are looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages.

Having said that, have you had any experience with the use of the forward cabin underway in weather?

Thanks in advance -- Ken.


From: "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@yahoo.com.au [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout


Guys, I seem to be the only owner of a 55 (now 18 months) on the post and although I can fault small things, mostly third party products, desalination, clima, B&G and wiring faults I can't fault the boat handling or Amels design compared to any other boat I looked at, I've sailed Renaissance in up to 45 knots and 5 meter sea cross the Tasman and Southern Australia, I also wanted to buy a 54 as its what sold me on the brand many years ago. When I was ready to buy it had been discontinued but I have not had one day of regret in my 55 purchase decision, I repeat not one day, I don't know any other brand of boat that would have given me this result.

I have read the complaints about the changes, my boat has accurate water and fuel gauges, dip sticks seem an idea as a backup but would probably never get used.

Fuel and water tank position, I keep my water tanks same level as fuel tank as I can run the delalinator daily when charging batteries to trim the boat.

Better headroom in the saloon and cabins but an extra step to the cockpit, give me headroom any day.

There is a huge cockpit seat locker on the port side as well as a small rope locker.

I agree the cockpit table is a pain but you get used to it.

I also had a rudder stock leak on my first really rough sea voyage but the alarm went off and half a turn on the nylon nut fixed it.

I do my own maintenance and think the engine room layout is superb for a cruising yacht. I don't have to remove anything to provide maintenance on another part.

My boat has a single aft cabin so most of the layout complaints seem to be for twin aft cabins, I'm not sure a lot of Amel owners want to fill their boat with people being the bunch of cranky older gentlemen and ladies Amel owners are, so those problems are resolved with a simple design selection.



Bob

Renaissance III


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On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was 1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM












Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel.
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

























After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
‚Äúshould‚ÄĚ be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



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On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM

























One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout. I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward. The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas? I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice. Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this. We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.



















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A take on the 55

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Are you sure about this posting regarding bulkheads. What is your source of information?

Best

Bill
BeBe 387
Martinique

On Mar 22, 2016 11:44 AM, "galacsea2000" <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

I am surprised that no one is referring to the CRITICAL difference in the construction process: All AMEL, prior to the 55, have their bulkheads positioned and (more importantly) laminated/epoxied  to the hull while the hull is still in the mold. Amel originally wanted to do the same for the 55 but could not proceed with it as it resulted in a total boat weight exceedingly high.
So the 55 is indeed built like a Beneteau/Jeanneau.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Kenneth Olsen <kennetholsen468@...>
 

Great question.  Two reasons, money is always an issue, and I believe the 64 is about twice the cost of a new 55.  Plus or minus.  
And more important, the 64 has the same sub-optimal layout as the 55.  All the extra room seems to be for common areas, and if I'm not mistaken, the sea berth is absent, so you could even say it's less accommodating to long term guests who wish to have some private space.  
So, being motivated just by the layout, I'm still looking at the 54 as ideal, and trying to evaluate the "value proposition" of the 55 so that it justifies the sacrifice of layout.  I see no advantage to the 64, but maybe this learned group can help me.  Frankly, I'm not really into spending that much on depreciating assets if I don't have to, and as a long term boat owner of all different types, I couldn't agree with you more about the maintenance costs be logarithmically larger as you increase LOA.  
One of the ways I convinced my wife to do this was that becoming expats and not paying state income taxes for five years would offset the cost of the depreciation in the vessel, thereby making the trip "free."  :):):)  Not sure that quite works if I get a new 64.   lol



From: "'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

  KenOnly my 1 cent input. Why you do not buy an Amel 64 , so as you said "looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages"As I understand you , you talk about 54, 55 etc. ( for me its a huge different of boats) so I assume money is not the main decision maker for you. I think buying a yacht is easy. Maintaining the boat ( you said you have a 5 years calender ??) Thats the real challange and money.
As I said, only my one cent inputHanspeterSM 16, Tamango 2

Von meinem iPad gesendet
Am 22.03.2016 um 13:24 schrieb Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:


  Bob -- thank you for this input.  Very helpful.  
Our plan is to have a stream of family and friends join us for large portions of trip.  We have a 5 year calendar with one to two couples joining for most of it.  I would agree with you about normally not having many guests, and perhaps our friends will bail when the time actually comes, but for us we are looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages.  
Having said that, have you had any experience with the use of the forward cabin underway in weather?  
Thanks in advance -- Ken.  

From: "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@yahoo.com.au [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

  Guys, I seem to be the only owner of a 55 (now 18 months) on the post and although I can fault small things, mostly third party products, desalination, clima, B&G and wiring faults I can't fault the boat handling or Amels design compared to any other boat I looked at, I've sailed Renaissance in up to 45 knots and 5 meter sea cross the Tasman and Southern Australia, I also wanted to buy a 54 as its what sold me on the brand many years ago. When I was ready to buy it had been discontinued but I have not had one day of regret in my 55 purchase decision, I repeat not one day, I don't know any other brand of boat that would have given me this result. 
I have read the complaints about the changes, my boat has accurate water and fuel gauges, dip sticks seem an idea as a backup but would probably never get used.
Fuel and water tank position, I keep my water tanks same level as fuel tank as I can run the delalinator daily when charging batteries to trim the boat. 
Better headroom in the saloon and cabins but an extra step to the cockpit, give me headroom any day.
There is a huge cockpit seat locker on the port side as well as a small rope locker. 
I agree the cockpit table is a pain but you get used to it.
I also had a rudder stock leak on my first really rough sea voyage but the alarm went off and half a turn on the nylon nut fixed it.
I do my own maintenance and think the engine room layout is superb for a cruising yacht. I don't have to remove anything to provide maintenance on another part. 

My boat has a single aft cabin so most of the layout complaints seem to be for twin aft cabins, I'm not sure a lot of Amel owners want to fill their boat with people being the bunch of cranky older gentlemen and ladies Amel owners are, so those problems are resolved with a simple design selection. 


Bob 
Renaissance III


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
  Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was 1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM


 









Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel. 
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
‚Äúshould‚ÄĚ be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



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On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM





 



















One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.  



















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Ordering From Amel

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Joe,

Thanks a lot. Do you like it?
Does it work well?
Can you make a picture and post  it or just email it me:
sonsev52@...

Vladimir
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"

On Mar 19, 2016 12:26 PM, "joemac4sail@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The piece of neoprene you are talking about is  about 5mm neoprene wet suit type with cloth to give strength. It is shaped like an egg with a  shaped cut to seal on the anchor chain. It should extend out over the pipe to seal it by about 3mm all round with the exception of a small extra nipple where the light chain secures it with 2 small washers screw and nut and again further for the egg shape is the ease of handling when  sealing down the cover. Very easy to manufacture. ,  

Regards Joe


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Boot?

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

We are talking about a boot that partially covers anchor chain drop opening to reduce water intake in the chain locker.

On Mar 18, 2016 5:18 PM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I’m not sure what the last two comments made here are referring to. Can you clarify what you are doing. Thanks.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising: George Town ‚Äď Great Exuma Island - Bahamas

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 9:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ordering From Amel

 

 

I have used modeling clay. Doesnt get hard, seals great, cheap, and spits out when dropping anchor. Sometimes I even remember to save it to use over. Got idea on this forum. 

Bali Hai SN24

Annapolis

Ric Gottschalk

Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc


On Mar 17, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I would add spare propellers with hub for the bow thruster.
I just lost mine today, unsure of the cause, then put a spare in the water, and lost it…
I will post later on this event on the forum.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic

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On Thu, 3/17/16, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ordering From Amel
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, March 17, 2016, 1:32 PM


 









Amel mechanic in Martenique told
me that Amel-Super-Maramu was equipped with a neoprene boot
for the anchor chain drop-off oppening on the deck and in
the windlass plate.  I haven't seen it, but I have a
threaded screw in the deck for that boot. It is good thing
to have to prevent water from going to the anchor chain
storage compartment. I don't know if you have it or if
you want one. I plan to order one, but I would like our
forum participants to comment on the usefulness  of this
boot.
Vladimir

SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"
On Mar 17, 2016 9:28
AM, "ericmeury@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









About to place an order for the bow
thruster seals and the wear ring.
Anything else i should be
getting that is only avail from Amel such as rebuild kits
for any of the winches or motors etc etc.
 
1993 Amel
Santorin.






























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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Excellent! Congratulations!

Is the 2003 SM2K you made the offer in Texas?

I kept mine for 9 months in Seabrook.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic






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On Tue, 3/22/16, Thomas Janicki tbjanicki@att.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 11:18 AM


 









I'm
in Houston Texas and have made an offer on a 2003
SM2000.
that
will work, after I see it (I already have an idea) I will
request need info to proceed.
Thomas



On Tuesday, March 22,
2016 10:19 AM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



 









That's
a great offer,Thomas.  Where are you and what model Amel
are you looking for?
Yes, this is a great
source of info.  I've had Kristy for 8 years and still
consider myself a novice compared to others on this site. 
I'd have given up after a couple of years if it
hadn't been for the folks here willing to take me by the
hand and teach me how to take care of her.
Let
me see if I can come up with a drawing...it won't be
more than crude, but may be enough for you to use. 
I'll have to get back to the boat in a couple weeks to
get some dimensions.  I'll send you a pic of the one
supplied by Amel for guidance.
Thanks
again, and welcome to the Group.KentSM243Kristy




From:
"tbjanicki@att.net [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March
22, 2016 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin



 









I found your solution to be very creative!  I
will own a Amel soon (god willing) and have been following
this site learning. This is an expert system of
solutions.

I own a machine
shop in the Houston Texas area. I have been reluctant to
post this offer as I did not want to seem like I was
trolling for
business.

 With that said,
please send me a print, hand drawing, or picture with a
scale in it of the head and I will build a 10-12 and have on
hand for you or others. Now, nothing is free but I can
guarantee the price will be favorable.
 

 In addition, I am willing to look at any
machine projects for AMEL owners. If you have an idea on a
tool or a part that would upgrade what you have or make a
task easier we can look at that also. Not looking to de-AMEL
a boat but enhance.

Thomas
s/v ????

































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin

Thomas Janicki <tbjanicki@...>
 

I'm in Houston Texas and have made an offer on a 2003 SM2000.

that will work, after I see it (I already have an idea) I will request need info to proceed.

Thomas


On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 10:19 AM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
That's a great offer,Thomas.  Where are you and what model Amel are you looking for?

Yes, this is a great source of info.  I've had Kristy for 8 years and still consider myself a novice compared to others on this site.  I'd have given up after a couple of years if it hadn't been for the folks here willing to take me by the hand and teach me how to take care of her.

Let me see if I can come up with a drawing...it won't be more than crude, but may be enough for you to use.  I'll have to get back to the boat in a couple weeks to get some dimensions.  I'll send you a pic of the one supplied by Amel for guidance.

Thanks again, and welcome to the Group.
Kent
SM243
Kristy



From: "tbjanicki@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin

 
I found your solution to be very creative!  I will own a Amel soon (god willing) and have been following this site learning. This is an expert system of solutions.

I own a machine shop in the Houston Texas area. I have been reluctant to post this offer as I did not want to seem like I was trolling for business.

 With that said, please send me a print, hand drawing, or picture with a scale in it of the head and I will build a 10-12 and have on hand for you or others. Now, nothing is free but I can guarantee the price will be favorable.
 
 In addition, I am willing to look at any machine projects for AMEL owners. If you have an idea on a tool or a part that would upgrade what you have or make a task easier we can look at that also. Not looking to de-AMEL a boat but enhance.

Thomas
s/v ????





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A take on the 55

galacsea2000 <no_reply@...>
 

I fail to mention in my previous post that with the 55, you lose the twin head sails (Genoa and Ballooner) on the same profile (only one halyard, thus the possibility, for example, of furling both at the same time).
If you go around the world (East to West obviously), this make a hell of a difference.

I crossed the Atlantic twice, once to Brazil (8 days between Cap Verde and Fernando De Noronha) and once to the West Indies (15 days between Canary Islands and Martinique) and the Pacific once (17 days between Galapagos and Marquesas Islands) - presently in New Zealand - and would not have done that without the twin head sails set up.

Comparing Amel ans Oyster designs is legitimate.  Comparing Amel Boats with Oyster Boats does not make sense. Amel is a Yard (chantier de construction). Oyster boats are built in several independent yards with different quality standards and thus different results.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A take on the 55

galacsea2000 <no_reply@...>
 

I am surprised that no one is referring to the CRITICAL difference in the construction process: All AMEL, prior to the 55, have their bulkheads positioned and (more importantly) laminated/epoxied  to the hull while the hull is still in the mold. Amel originally wanted to do the same for the 55 but could not proceed with it as it resulted in a total boat weight exceedingly high.
So the 55 is indeed built like a Beneteau/Jeanneau.


Re: Bowthruster propeller shaft seal on SM

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Brava's previous owner had a stainless steel hub manufactured with a slight extension of the hub, so that a stainless steel retention ring (held in place by a stainless steel cotter pin) would retain the propeller when the nylon screws broke off due to excess resistance (e.g. line caught in the propeller).  In the last three years of ownership I have had to replace the nylon screws four times, but never the propeller.  I will post a picture of the setup in the photos section.

Derick

SM2K#400 Brava
Currently in Sapphire Beach Marina, Saint Thomas, USVI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

hanspeter baettig
 

Ken
Only my 1 cent input. Why you do not buy an Amel 64 , so as you said "looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages"
As I understand you , you talk about 54, 55 etc. ( for me its a huge different of boats) so I assume money is not the main decision maker for you. I think buying a yacht is easy. Maintaining the boat ( you said you have a 5 years calender ??) Thats the real challange and money.

As I said, only my one cent input
Hanspeter
SM 16, Tamango 2

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 22.03.2016 um 13:24 schrieb Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:

Bob -- thank you for this input. Very helpful.

Our plan is to have a stream of family and friends join us for large portions of trip. We have a 5 year calendar with one to two couples joining for most of it. I would agree with you about normally not having many guests, and perhaps our friends will bail when the time actually comes, but for us we are looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages.

Having said that, have you had any experience with the use of the forward cabin underway in weather?

Thanks in advance -- Ken.


From: "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@yahoo.com.au [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout


Guys, I seem to be the only owner of a 55 (now 18 months) on the post and although I can fault small things, mostly third party products, desalination, clima, B&G and wiring faults I can't fault the boat handling or Amels design compared to any other boat I looked at, I've sailed Renaissance in up to 45 knots and 5 meter sea cross the Tasman and Southern Australia, I also wanted to buy a 54 as its what sold me on the brand many years ago. When I was ready to buy it had been discontinued but I have not had one day of regret in my 55 purchase decision, I repeat not one day, I don't know any other brand of boat that would have given me this result.

I have read the complaints about the changes, my boat has accurate water and fuel gauges, dip sticks seem an idea as a backup but would probably never get used.

Fuel and water tank position, I keep my water tanks same level as fuel tank as I can run the delalinator daily when charging batteries to trim the boat.

Better headroom in the saloon and cabins but an extra step to the cockpit, give me headroom any day.

There is a huge cockpit seat locker on the port side as well as a small rope locker.

I agree the cockpit table is a pain but you get used to it.

I also had a rudder stock leak on my first really rough sea voyage but the alarm went off and half a turn on the nylon nut fixed it.

I do my own maintenance and think the engine room layout is superb for a cruising yacht. I don't have to remove anything to provide maintenance on another part.

My boat has a single aft cabin so most of the layout complaints seem to be for twin aft cabins, I'm not sure a lot of Amel owners want to fill their boat with people being the bunch of cranky older gentlemen and ladies Amel owners are, so those problems are resolved with a simple design selection.



Bob

Renaissance III


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was 1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM












Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel.
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

























After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
‚Äúshould‚ÄĚ be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM

























One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout. I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward. The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas? I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice. Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this. We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.



















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] witness light sump drain pump

richarddemuynck
 

Thank you for your advise. Strengthened by your message and knowing there was an alternative solution, I dared to insist a little bit and introduced a paperclip on which I made a little hook, in the hole next to the bulb. That way I managed to pull the bulb out of the socket. In the shop I found those bulbs under the name of instrument bulbs 24V 1W. It works fine now, and in the case of a malfunction of the pump I will be warned again by the continuing glow. Anyway thanks for your support.
Richard


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

If I may suggest

One of my clients in Kemah has a 2002 SM2K Red Line for sale.

The boat owner is named (I think) Paul Camp, I met him 3 years ago, may be he will be willing to loan his.
http://hshyachts.com/2004_amel_53_super_maramu_2000_red_line_for_sale.html

The owner of the brokerage firm is also names Paul, I will be happy to introduce you.
Still not sure the boat owner will agree on loading the part, I don't think he is active on the forum.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic






--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 3/22/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 10:13 AM


 









That's
a great offer,Thomas.  Where are you and what model Amel
are you looking for?
Yes, this is a great
source of info.  I've had Kristy for 8 years and still
consider myself a novice compared to others on this site. 
I'd have given up after a couple of years if it
hadn't been for the folks here willing to take me by the
hand and teach me how to take care of her.
Let
me see if I can come up with a drawing...it won't be
more than crude, but may be enough for you to use. 
I'll have to get back to the boat in a couple weeks to
get some dimensions.  I'll send you a pic of the one
supplied by Amel for guidance.
Thanks
again, and welcome to the Group.KentSM243Kristy




From:
"tbjanicki@att.net [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March
22, 2016 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin



 









I found your solution to be very creative!  I
will own a Amel soon (god willing) and have been following
this site learning. This is an expert system of
solutions.

I own a machine
shop in the Houston Texas area. I have been reluctant to
post this offer as I did not want to seem like I was
trolling for
business.

 With that said,
please send me a print, hand drawing, or picture with a
scale in it of the head and I will build a 10-12 and have on
hand for you or others. Now, nothing is free but I can
guarantee the price will be favorable.
 

 In addition, I am willing to look at any
machine projects for AMEL owners. If you have an idea on a
tool or a part that would upgrade what you have or make a
task easier we can look at that also. Not looking to de-AMEL
a boat but enhance.

Thomas
s/v ????





















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin

karkauai
 

That's a great offer,Thomas.  Where are you and what model Amel are you looking for?

Yes, this is a great source of info.  I've had Kristy for 8 years and still consider myself a novice compared to others on this site.  I'd have given up after a couple of years if it hadn't been for the folks here willing to take me by the hand and teach me how to take care of her.

Let me see if I can come up with a drawing...it won't be more than crude, but may be enough for you to use.  I'll have to get back to the boat in a couple weeks to get some dimensions.  I'll send you a pic of the one supplied by Amel for guidance.

Thanks again, and welcome to the Group.
Kent
SM243
Kristy



From: "tbjanicki@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin

 
I found your solution to be very creative!  I will own a Amel soon (god willing) and have been following this site learning. This is an expert system of solutions.

I own a machine shop in the Houston Texas area. I have been reluctant to post this offer as I did not want to seem like I was trolling for business.

 With that said, please send me a print, hand drawing, or picture with a scale in it of the head and I will build a 10-12 and have on hand for you or others. Now, nothing is free but I can guarantee the price will be favorable.
 
 In addition, I am willing to look at any machine projects for AMEL owners. If you have an idea on a tool or a part that would upgrade what you have or make a task easier we can look at that also. Not looking to de-AMEL a boat but enhance.

Thomas
s/v ????



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin

Mike Ondra
 

Hello Thomas,

I greatly appreciate your offer as we lost our jib furler locking pin knob last month. If you do make some replacements we would certainly be interested. It would be helpful if someone with the original knob could post a picture for your reference in addition to Kent's ingenious PVC solution.

Mike Ondra,

s/v Aletes, SM#240

Red Hook, USVI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib furler locking pin

tbjanicki@...
 

I found your solution to be very creative!  I will own a Amel soon (god willing) and have been following this site learning. This is an expert system of solutions.

I own a machine shop in the Houston Texas area. I have been reluctant to post this offer as I did not want to seem like I was trolling for business.

 With that said, please send me a print, hand drawing, or picture with a scale in it of the head and I will build a 10-12 and have on hand for you or others. Now, nothing is free but I can guarantee the price will be favorable.
 
 In addition, I am willing to look at any machine projects for AMEL owners. If you have an idea on a tool or a part that would upgrade what you have or make a task easier we can look at that also. Not looking to de-AMEL a boat but enhance.

Thomas
s/v ????


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Kenneth Olsen <kennetholsen468@...>
 

Bob -- thank you for this input.  Very helpful.  
Our plan is to have a stream of family and friends join us for large portions of trip.  We have a 5 year calendar with one to two couples joining for most of it.  I would agree with you about normally not having many guests, and perhaps our friends will bail when the time actually comes, but for us we are looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages.  
Having said that, have you had any experience with the use of the forward cabin underway in weather?  
Thanks in advance -- Ken.  

From: "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@yahoo.com.au [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

  Guys, I seem to be the only owner of a 55 (now 18 months) on the post and although I can fault small things, mostly third party products, desalination, clima, B&G and wiring faults I can't fault the boat handling or Amels design compared to any other boat I looked at, I've sailed Renaissance in up to 45 knots and 5 meter sea cross the Tasman and Southern Australia, I also wanted to buy a 54 as its what sold me on the brand many years ago. When I was ready to buy it had been discontinued but I have not had one day of regret in my 55 purchase decision, I repeat not one day, I don't know any other brand of boat that would have given me this result. 
I have read the complaints about the changes, my boat has accurate water and fuel gauges, dip sticks seem an idea as a backup but would probably never get used.
Fuel and water tank position, I keep my water tanks same level as fuel tank as I can run the delalinator daily when charging batteries to trim the boat. 
Better headroom in the saloon and cabins but an extra step to the cockpit, give me headroom any day.
There is a huge cockpit seat locker on the port side as well as a small rope locker. 
I agree the cockpit table is a pain but you get used to it.
I also had a rudder stock leak on my first really rough sea voyage but the alarm went off and half a turn on the nylon nut fixed it.
I do my own maintenance and think the engine room layout is superb for a cruising yacht. I don't have to remove anything to provide maintenance on another part. 

My boat has a single aft cabin so most of the layout complaints seem to be for twin aft cabins, I'm not sure a lot of Amel owners want to fill their boat with people being the bunch of cranky older gentlemen and ladies Amel owners are, so those problems are resolved with a simple design selection. 


Bob 
Renaissance III


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On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
  Thanks Bill,

I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was 1.5M$).

If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did things a certain way to educate the buyers.

Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM


 









Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel. 
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
‚Äúshould‚ÄĚ be, often these people making mistakes.



To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.



I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.

Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.

Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.

I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.


But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.



When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.


Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…

To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…

What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?

Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.

plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.

But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.

I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic



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On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM





 



















One thing I find counter-intuitive

about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the
54

had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two

guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin

forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.

 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the

owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I
inspected

one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange

change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly

acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if

others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an
Amel

54 and 55.  



















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

Kenneth Olsen <kennetholsen468@...>
 

No question!



From: "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Ken, the hardtop option on the 55 is the only way to go.

Bob Grey
Renaissance III


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On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:03, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
Bill -- thank you for the contact!  Will follow up accordingly.  



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Ken,

When looking for a used Amel, it is most important to buy one from a great owner...someone who appreciated the Amel and kept it in near new condition. There are Amels 35 years old like this, and there are Amels a few years old that have been mistreated.

I would strongly suggest that if you want the best used 53, 54, or 55, go to Joel Potter att.net>. If he believes the Amel was abused, he will not sell it or have anything to do with it. You might also consider seeing if a current Amel owner might go look at an Amel with you. I have done this a number of times and enjoy helping.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Do any of you know what to look for in a 54 of approximately ten years vintage?  If we decide to go that route (which is still very much in the air -- 55 is still on the table, but I will miss the elegance of the 54 layout), what systems will need to be addressed right away?  

Also, I like the hardtop option on the 55.  I would consider having a similar hardtop put on a 54 -- has anyone done this or know ballpark price to have Amel do it?  

Finally, was wondering about energy -- what solar panels, wind or hyrdo generators seems to work best for voyaging.  I hate the sound of wind generation, and am not a huge fan of the look of panels, but am more interested in practicality than beauty -- hence the Amel.  lol.  



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout

 
Alex,

I agree completely. And, I will add that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical to outsiders.

Certainly when you compare a 55 to a Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a better Oyster, for almost half the price.

I believe the change at Amel was probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel. He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with Amel. 

The 55 is a beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than 50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the 55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of this.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat ‚Äúshould‚ÄĚ be, often these people making mistakes.

To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable in high sea.

I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a second windlass, stay sail, etc.
Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be moved up, to open the engine hatch.
Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin to access the heads.
I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.
But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on earlier models, etc. make it short lived.

When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small (proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.
Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were only accessible if other equipment were removed…
To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has been moved…
What were they thinking relocating the water tank and removing the water stick… to go faster?
Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.
plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54, companionway 4th step, etc.
But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t miss them.
I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they are successful for the company.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic

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On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM


 









One thing I find counter-intuitive
about the new 55 is the stateroom layout.  I thought the 54
had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and two
guest cabins forward.  The Amel 55 has the owners cabin
forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.
 Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of the
owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas?  I inspected
one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange
change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly
acknowledging the unique choice.  Anyhow, wondering if
others have opinions on this.  We are torn between an Amel
54 and 55.  









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A take on the 55

jjjk12s@...
 

I prefer to give a bit more credit to the guys at Amel that they know their market and what it takes to design, build and sell a boat in that price range. There is little doubt they are superb quality and market leaders as well as much better value than their main rivals. They also have the problem of competition from the used Amel market which very well furnished many intrepid world girdlers.

 

John, Maramu #91 1981 - the year Amel peaked ;)