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Re: Foredeck dinghy cradle

Karen Smith
 

Hey Ian,

We have just recently seen Delos’ dinghy arrangement. I have no idea how they see anything in front of the boat.  It’s a huge dinghy, and the cradle they have sits very high on the deck.  I can’t comment on the attachment or other engineering details.  It might work for them, but it’s not my cup of tea...

Before I’d go that route, I’d do a good mockup and check to be sure sight lines meet your standards.

Enjoy the warm island weather, we are freezing our butts off here!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Charleston, SC


Re: Foredeck dinghy cradle

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello gang,

We have a 9.5 Alu RIB which we store inverted on the foredeck during long passages. The 15 HP Yamaha 2 Str is on a carrier fixed to the stbd rail near the transom. We use a spare halyard to hoist. 

On short passages, we lift the combined pair into our davits which also incorporate our solar panels. 

The balance is a bit better when the dinghy is inverted on the fore deck. 

Jean-Pierre Germain,Eleuthera,SM007, NZ


On 27/12/2020, at 6:42 AM, Philippe Chatton <chattonp960@...> wrote:


Hi Ian,
That's what we plan to do.
We did a few tests with a 2.80 meter Avon dinghy + engine.
We could easily lift the dinghy and its engine (25hp) with the genoa winch without problems.
So we decided  to go ahead  with this concept and just ordered a classic 3.40 highfield dinghy.
The tender will go on relativally small nylon covered cradles
Philippe
S/V Chameleon 
SM 445
Antibes FR

 

Le sam. 26 déc. 2020 à 18:02, Ian Townsend <smlocalola@...> a écrit :

Merry Christmas/Joyeaux Noel/Buon Natale to all AMEL Owners. We are considering a new strategy for our dinghy and have a few questions for anyone that might be able to help.

1. Foredeck storage cradle. Who has done this? Do you have pictures? How does it fasten to the deck? Is it foldable/removable? Do you store it upside down? If not, do you keep the outboard on or off?
2. Maximum length and beam. I note that SV Delos has an 11 ft. Oceancraft on a cradle. Anyone with different experience?
3. Balance. How is boat balance affected with foredeck storage and the motor still on the dinghy?
4. Any other things I should consider?


Thanks and to everyone, please stay safe, healthy and happy. 


ian Townsend
SM153
Loca Lola II
Bahamas


Re: Foredeck dinghy cradle

Philippe Chatton
 

Hi Ian,
That's what we plan to do.
We did a few tests with a 2.80 meter Avon dinghy + engine.
We could easily lift the dinghy and its engine (25hp) with the genoa winch without problems.
So we decided  to go ahead  with this concept and just ordered a classic 3.40 highfield dinghy.
The tender will go on relativally small nylon covered cradles
Philippe
S/V Chameleon 
SM 445
Antibes FR

 

Le sam. 26 déc. 2020 à 18:02, Ian Townsend <smlocalola@...> a écrit :

Merry Christmas/Joyeaux Noel/Buon Natale to all AMEL Owners. We are considering a new strategy for our dinghy and have a few questions for anyone that might be able to help.

1. Foredeck storage cradle. Who has done this? Do you have pictures? How does it fasten to the deck? Is it foldable/removable? Do you store it upside down? If not, do you keep the outboard on or off?
2. Maximum length and beam. I note that SV Delos has an 11 ft. Oceancraft on a cradle. Anyone with different experience?
3. Balance. How is boat balance affected with foredeck storage and the motor still on the dinghy?
4. Any other things I should consider?


Thanks and to everyone, please stay safe, healthy and happy. 


ian Townsend
SM153
Loca Lola II
Bahamas


Foredeck dinghy cradle

Ian Townsend
 

Merry Christmas/Joyeaux Noel/Buon Natale to all AMEL Owners. We are considering a new strategy for our dinghy and have a few questions for anyone that might be able to help.

1. Foredeck storage cradle. Who has done this? Do you have pictures? How does it fasten to the deck? Is it foldable/removable? Do you store it upside down? If not, do you keep the outboard on or off?
2. Maximum length and beam. I note that SV Delos has an 11 ft. Oceancraft on a cradle. Anyone with different experience?
3. Balance. How is boat balance affected with foredeck storage and the motor still on the dinghy?
4. Any other things I should consider?


Thanks and to everyone, please stay safe, healthy and happy. 


ian Townsend
SM153
Loca Lola II
Bahamas


Re: stop my enrollment

Mark Erdos
 

Hi,

 

I turned off your email notifications. You can still access the group but will no longer receive emails.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Boudewijn Vanhuysse
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 6:27 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Group Moderators
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] stop my enrollment

 

Hi,

can you please stop my enrollment on your amel yacht owners forum....I cannot buy an amel right now and 90% of the mails are totally irrelevant for a non-owner.

Thanks

Angel & Boudewijn Vanhuysse - Durie

GSM: +33672497006

GSM: +32483468032

 

 


stop my enrollment

Boudewijn Vanhuysse <boudewijn.vanhuysse@...>
 

Hi,
can you please stop my enrollment on your amel yacht owners forum....I cannot buy an amel right now and 90% of the mails are totally irrelevant for a non-owner.
Thanks
Angel & Boudewijn Vanhuysse - Durie
GSM: +33672497006
GSM: +32483468032
 
 


Model specific sub site

david bruce
 

Hi Ian and all,  

 Capital idea! 

 I have also thought that a model specific sub section of the site might serve to promote more discourse among owners of similar boats and be more efficient.   For instance I would really appreciate hearing more about what John Hayes has to say about his SN, but I share his expressed reluctance to engage in detailed discussions on the forum that would only benefit a minority of members.

 I know that most Amel owners are very gracious and generous in sharing their experiences and knowledge, so for me it’s more a matter of my not wanting to ‘clog things up’ or bore the majority by say, asking for some minor clarification of Craigs response to my query regarding installing nav lights. I could PM but then Ian might miss a bit, etc.  

Thoughts Bill?

Dave
LiesseSN006





On Dec 25, 2020, at 2:41 AM, Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:

Would it be a good idea for all SN owners to start any post or photo title with 'Santorin' followed by an easily searchable sub title - steering/engine/mast etc.
I find I am trawling through lots of posts that are not always applicable to the Santorin?
Just a thought..

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: Port side Front Navigation Light unreliable

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Ian,
Interesting. We're 1992 built Hull 68 - I've assumed it was an Amel installation as the holes in the bottom of the stanchion bases and the holes where the wire exits the tubing are identical to that in the aft stanchion where they ran the wire for the GPS. And all the bedding compound looked original. There is no hole through the deck other than directly under the stanchion bases.

Merry Christmas,--
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: ONAN replacement or not?

Alain Durante
 

Bonjour Ken,

 

Just watched your latest video and found you installed 3 lithium batteries, I believe 3 x 300 AH / 24V?

 

i believe these batteries were custom made to fit into the batteries's compartment?


Alain
Meige
A54#21


Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??

Mark Barter
 

I have been researching the issues on the forum and the Beta is over 50% heavier than the Perkins. The new gearbox is also a lot chunkier. As a result it shouldn't come as any surprise that the engine vibrates as it does. The old mounts as well as being old clearly wouldn't have been designed for the weight of the Beta.

With regard to new mounts, is it just a case of dividing the engine/gearbox and frame weight by 6 and using that figure to spec the mounts? 
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Re: Genua Furler on Santorin...stay electrical or go mechanical

Ian Park
 

Would it be a good idea for all SN owners to start any post or photo title with 'Santorin' followed by an easily searchable sub title - steering/engine/mast etc.
I find I am trawling through lots of posts that are not always applicable to the Santorin?
Just a thought..

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: Genua Furler on Santorin...stay electrical or go mechanical

JOHN HAYES
 

Hi Volker

So my santorin Nga Waka is a year younger launched in 1991 but it had sailed to nz from the med.....and it sat unused in Panama for a couple of years and on arrival in nz

I did a couple of cruises around NZ and some shorter transits in gales cause I wanted to see what bits of the boat might fail when stressed

First to fail were the gear boxes on the main mast. Both replaced with bonfiglioli gear boxes identical to those originally fitted. They were about Nz$300 each

The Genoa furler gear box also failed a couple of months later. It has a circular gear driven by a worm drive. I found a highly skilled gear maker (who had never seen a fibreglass gear box). He made new parts and assured me they would last another 30 years. Cost was about nz$2500 

The 12 volt motors that drive the furlers have been fully overhauled by specialists each costing about $1000. 

Since this work was done I’ve sailed through the pacific and down to the sub Antarctic islands. The Amel systems are brilliant to use and in my experience,  properly maintained, very reliable 

We did experience difficulty furling the main sail inside the mast when it would jam. That problem disappeared with a new sail

The other difficulty we had was the Perkins main engine. It was reliable but the cooling fresh water system was driven by a spline on top of the engine that slotted in to the back of the water pump. I did not know about a special realigning tool which is critical to reassembly ...... that cost me a couple of water pumps until I figured the problem. Later to ensure reliability I replaced the Perkins with a Volvo d250 Which is identical to the Perkins but has improved systems and less bits like water circulating systems hanging off it

I could go on but if you have any issues email me direct rather than clogging up everyone’s in boxes

Seasons greetings 

Johnhayes862@...

Wellington NZ








On 25/12/2020, at 9:34 PM, Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:

Volker, 
A bit more. Championship gearboxes are available and relatively not expensive. Their motors are a straightforward rebuild by a good motor electrics specialist.
There are a number of parts on the Santorin that are the same as the bigger and heavier Super Maramu. The C drive is one and I'm pretty sure the curled gearbox is another. Therefore they are well over engineered for the smaller Santorin and should last and last.

There's nothing like your first sudden tropical squall to make you appreciate the Santorin's curling system!

Merry Christmas

Ian 
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: Genua Furler on Santorin...stay electrical or go mechanical

Ian Park
 

Volker, 
A bit more. Championship gearboxes are available and relatively not expensive. Their motors are a straightforward rebuild by a good motor electrics specialist.
There are a number of parts on the Santorin that are the same as the bigger and heavier Super Maramu. The C drive is one and I'm pretty sure the curled gearbox is another. Therefore they are well over engineered for the smaller Santorin and should last and last.

There's nothing like your first sudden tropical squall to make you appreciate the Santorin's curling system!

Merry Christmas

Ian 
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: Port side Front Navigation Light unreliable

Ian Park
 

Criag, Dave,
My Santorin (96) did not have deck lights or a steaming light fitted when it was built. So I have a single port/starboard unit clamped on the front of the pulpit. The  wires are cable tied to the pulpit and to through the deck. I would like to change to two separate lights as the single one right on the front interferes a little with the use of the ballooner with the potential of causing a rip!
I retrofitted a deck/steaming light. Talking to Amel they said that when built (1994) only masthead lights were required. I'd be interested if there was a date when this changed, and did it apply to the SM or did their extra size warrant deck lights at an earlier date?I

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96  Happy Christmas


Re: Port side Front Navigation Light unreliable

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Dave on Liesse,
Frankly, your mast head lights seem an excellent (original AMEL) choice all by themselves, but if you want deck level lights too the wires of our AMEL installed lights (SN68) were run up inside each side's bow pulpit tubes (not around the bow, as on the SM's) with a branch wire from the port side over to the starboard side on the underside of the deck lockers.

There is a hole in the gunnel under the aft-most bow pulpit stanchion on each side that goes through the carbon steel backing plate that is embedded in the grp gunnel.  That's the plate that can corrode, expand and distort/crack the grp if any moisture gets in down the wire.

The wire then exits through a hole in the bow pulpit tube just below the lower cross member and goes to the bow light fixture that is mounted on a thin stainless steel plate welded to the pulpit tubes (port and starboard, of course). Slather the holes with silicone to keep any water from running down the wire. I can send a picture if you wish - just ask.

Perhaps the advantage of the SM version discussed in this thread is there is only one hole through the port side bow pulpit base, with the crossover wire to the port side being fished through the tubing (with some difficulty). The SN installation with the wires crossing over inside the bow lockers is easier but does have two holes in the (port and starboard) stanchion bases.

Merry Christmas, Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Port side Front Navigation Light unreliable

david bruce
 

Hi all, 

Regarding running lights, our early SN actually has no deck level running lights, mast tricolor only.  I have ordered the lights recommended by Ken, the 3nm LED, and I appreciate the recommendation,( but to anyone interested I would look at Apex Lighting, substantially less $$ that the link Ken provided.) 

My question is if one were doing this job de novo, i.e. no prior lights or wiring, are there any recommendations regarding routing/install, given the problems that it seems many have had with moisture.  I would like the wire in the stanchion and am inclined to simply run two separate leads to the lights, pig tailing somewhere well inside the boat.  I will install the breaker over the door to the forward compartment. 

Are there any other considerations? 

Thank you and happy holidays to all. 

Dave
Liesse
SN006







On Dec 24, 2020, at 7:44 AM, Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Hi Dan,
Just a word of caution about the iron backing plate. If you can't remove it completely, you may want to passivate what's left with phosphoric acid to prevent it from swelling up and distorting or even cracking the surrounding fiberglass structure.  I recall that when Bill Rouse owned Bebe he had the backing plates on the engine room supports swell up and damage the grp there. I've had the same issue at one of my aft stanchions where the original GPS antenna cable went through allowing water ingress.  The embedded and rusting backing plate actually cracked the grp gunnel open. At the time, Joel though I must have hit a dock, but, no, it was the backing plate swelling up. Huge force! I also had the same bow light issue as you describe and got just a minor bit of gunnel swelling before I dug it out and passivated what was left. Fingers crossed it doesn't progress, although the grp repair is pretty straightforward.

Best regards, Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??

michael winand
 

The water pump is moved to the rear of the fuel pump. It can be driven off the shaft through the fuel pump. It is a bit of work. You can see the photos I put on your thread. 
Michael  Nebo  sm251 


On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 at 8:00 pm, Mark Barter
<markbarter100@...> wrote:
Hi Michael,

I was looking at ways of mounting the water pump elsewhere because it makes a lot of sense. How did you do that?

The large frame alternator has been fitted on the port side of the engine now. 

Thank you for your input

Mark
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Re: Genua Furler on Santorin...stay electrical or go mechanical

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Volker,

For their present generation of boats, Amel uses Facnor curlers. But as mentioned repeatedly, your unit is rugged and well designed. But like everything else on a boat, it requires some maintenance. 

Merry Christmas 

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ


On 25/12/2020, at 5:09 AM, James Alton via groups.io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:


Volker,

   We own a Maramu that has the original electric furling systems for the main and Genoa, all of which were functional when we bought the boat. These have proven to be quite reliable and are powerful.    Having observed and  also experienced  boats with the many trip lines needed to control the sails manually, along with the drag of the many blocks in the system, the piles of line in the cockpit  we decided conclusively to retain the original Amel  furling system.  Yes, the electric systems do require some maintenance and  having a custom part made since some parts are N/A but I think having fingertip control of the sails from the cockpit on a short handed boat is invaluable and one of the reasons to own an Amel.  

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220


-----Original Message-----
From: Volker Hasenauer <volker.hasenauer@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Dec 24, 2020 3:21 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Genua Furler on Santorin...stay electrical or go mechanical

Hello Santorin or Maramu Owners,

I own a Santorin (SN 27) from 1990 which I am planning to overhaul. I bought the boat about a year ago, however due to Covid I was so far not able to do anything with her. The Genua furler is original (fully functional) but I wonder if its a worthwhile project going "backwards" and install a conventional furler instead to renew the entire electrical furler. I did not checked so far the price with Amel for a new electrical furler. My best guess is however that a conventional one may be far cheaper?

Does anyone have experience with such a conversion? I am a bit afraid that I mess with the entire design philosophy of Amel....??? 

I would be grateful for any ideas....pro & con's

Volker
Aquamarine (Santorin # 27), currently in Malaysia

 


Re: Genua Furler on Santorin...stay electrical or go mechanical

James Alton
 

Volker,

   We own a Maramu that has the original electric furling systems for the main and Genoa, all of which were functional when we bought the boat. These have proven to be quite reliable and are powerful.    Having observed and  also experienced  boats with the many trip lines needed to control the sails manually, along with the drag of the many blocks in the system, the piles of line in the cockpit  we decided conclusively to retain the original Amel  furling system.  Yes, the electric systems do require some maintenance and  having a custom part made since some parts are N/A but I think having fingertip control of the sails from the cockpit on a short handed boat is invaluable and one of the reasons to own an Amel.  

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220


-----Original Message-----
From: Volker Hasenauer <volker.hasenauer@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Dec 24, 2020 3:21 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Genua Furler on Santorin...stay electrical or go mechanical

Hello Santorin or Maramu Owners,

I own a Santorin (SN 27) from 1990 which I am planning to overhaul. I bought the boat about a year ago, however due to Covid I was so far not able to do anything with her. The Genua furler is original (fully functional) but I wonder if its a worthwhile project going "backwards" and install a conventional furler instead to renew the entire electrical furler. I did not checked so far the price with Amel for a new electrical furler. My best guess is however that a conventional one may be far cheaper?

Does anyone have experience with such a conversion? I am a bit afraid that I mess with the entire design philosophy of Amel....??? 

I would be grateful for any ideas....pro & con's

Volker
Aquamarine (Santorin # 27), currently in Malaysia

 


Re: Port side Front Navigation Light unreliable

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Dan,
Just a word of caution about the iron backing plate. If you can't remove it completely, you may want to passivate what's left with phosphoric acid to prevent it from swelling up and distorting or even cracking the surrounding fiberglass structure.  I recall that when Bill Rouse owned Bebe he had the backing plates on the engine room supports swell up and damage the grp there. I've had the same issue at one of my aft stanchions where the original GPS antenna cable went through allowing water ingress.  The embedded and rusting backing plate actually cracked the grp gunnel open. At the time, Joel though I must have hit a dock, but, no, it was the backing plate swelling up. Huge force! I also had the same bow light issue as you describe and got just a minor bit of gunnel swelling before I dug it out and passivated what was left. Fingers crossed it doesn't progress, although the grp repair is pretty straightforward.

Best regards, Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL

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