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Re: Membrane Tube end caps

 

Matt,
  1. We were never in cold climates
  2. We were on the boat continuously with very few exceptions
  3. I installed a 24-volt timer and solenoid valve to flush 2x weekly when we were off the boat for a month
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 9:17 AM Matt Salatino via groups.io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
So what did you use, if you stored the boat?
I heard that propylene glycol (RV water system antifreeze) is a good substitute?......

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:10 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

One of the things that have not been mentioned in this Topic is the possible causes of the deterioration of some materials used for endcaps.

There is anecdotal evidence that points to Sodium Metabisulfite, the pickling chemical as being a cause, especially when it is mixed in a solution greater than recommended by Dessalator. IMPORTANTLY, the smaller watermakers (50-60 liter) have less than 1/3rd the internal volume that the larger watermakers (150-250), yet the recommended dosage is the same! This makes no sense to me. Additionally, there are some who believe if a small amount of pickling agent is good, more is better. BeBe (SM 387), with a D160 watermaker, had this "more is better" problem for the first 1.5 years of her life. She was cared for by an "experienced" guy in Tortola. He was one of those who believed, more is better. During his this time,  BeBe's owner only used BeBe 3 or 4 times for 2 weeks or less.  After each use, he had the caretaker pickle the watermaker. Within a few months of our ownership, the membranes needed replacing, and the white endcaps were deteriorated around the interconnect bobbin. When we bought BeBe, the watermaker had 34 hours on the meter, but the endcaps and the membranes needed replacing. I estimate that, except for a few weeks, the system was filled with a very high solution of Sodium Metabisulfite.

I replaced the white end caps with the "new" black end caps and had no issues for almost 11 years of ownership. During that ownership, I never used Sodium Metabisulfite. I replaced the membranes about every 3 years. I replaced them when the TDS neared 300ppm. This was my preference. Interestingly some Spectra watermakers have an auto-rejection system that rejects product water at 750ppm (default). Some watermaker manufacturers have said that any ppm that is under 1000ppm is safe. WHO states that 750ppm is safe, but recommends a daily intake limit at 500ppm. The efficiency of membranes, in terms of ppm changes with age. The slow creep of ppm will not be noticed. You should check ppm continuously.

Lastly, I have found Dessalaltor to be responsive to our needs. And, please remember this: "We encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond."

BTW, Dessalator is the supplier of choice of many Super Yachts.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 7:41 AM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
Hi Danny,

I fully agree we should not dismiss the choices Amel made too easy. I think the choice Amel made with the Desalator watermaker was excellent. But like with everything in life it was also a compromise between pro's and con's.
Reality is that companies that make watermakers are up to some extent just assembling stuff that is in the market anyway. So the membranes are from DuPont, the HP pump is from Cat, etc, etc.
But fact remains there are some valid points of criticism to be expressed for the Desalator product. That does not imply that Amel is to blame. It just means that Desalator has room for improving the product.
Until now I did not find a cruiser perfectly happy with his or hers watermaker. These things are extremely sensitive to bad treatment and treating them well can be a drag after so much time.
From my point of view there are a few things Desalator could improve with very little cost. I appreciate they don't change the product every two years and forget about spareparts for the installed base, like many companies do, but there are some obvious thing they could improve like many Amel owners already did themselves.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

Matt Salatino
 

So what did you use, if you stored the boat?
I heard that propylene glycol (RV water system antifreeze) is a good substitute?......

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:10 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

One of the things that have not been mentioned in this Topic is the possible causes of the deterioration of some materials used for endcaps.

There is anecdotal evidence that points to Sodium Metabisulfite, the pickling chemical as being a cause, especially when it is mixed in a solution greater than recommended by Dessalator. IMPORTANTLY, the smaller watermakers (50-60 liter) have less than 1/3rd the internal volume that the larger watermakers (150-250), yet the recommended dosage is the same! This makes no sense to me. Additionally, there are some who believe if a small amount of pickling agent is good, more is better. BeBe (SM 387), with a D160 watermaker, had this "more is better" problem for the first 1.5 years of her life. She was cared for by an "experienced" guy in Tortola. He was one of those who believed, more is better. During his this time,  BeBe's owner only used BeBe 3 or 4 times for 2 weeks or less.  After each use, he had the caretaker pickle the watermaker. Within a few months of our ownership, the membranes needed replacing, and the white endcaps were deteriorated around the interconnect bobbin. When we bought BeBe, the watermaker had 34 hours on the meter, but the endcaps and the membranes needed replacing. I estimate that, except for a few weeks, the system was filled with a very high solution of Sodium Metabisulfite.

I replaced the white end caps with the "new" black end caps and had no issues for almost 11 years of ownership. During that ownership, I never used Sodium Metabisulfite. I replaced the membranes about every 3 years. I replaced them when the TDS neared 300ppm. This was my preference. Interestingly some Spectra watermakers have an auto-rejection system that rejects product water at 750ppm (default). Some watermaker manufacturers have said that any ppm that is under 1000ppm is safe. WHO states that 750ppm is safe, but recommends a daily intake limit at 500ppm. The efficiency of membranes, in terms of ppm changes with age. The slow creep of ppm will not be noticed. You should check ppm continuously.

Lastly, I have found Dessalaltor to be responsive to our needs. And, please remember this: "We encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond."

BTW, Dessalator is the supplier of choice of many Super Yachts.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 7:41 AM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
Hi Danny,

I fully agree we should not dismiss the choices Amel made too easy. I think the choice Amel made with the Desalator watermaker was excellent. But like with everything in life it was also a compromise between pro's and con's.
Reality is that companies that make watermakers are up to some extent just assembling stuff that is in the market anyway. So the membranes are from DuPont, the HP pump is from Cat, etc, etc.
But fact remains there are some valid points of criticism to be expressed for the Desalator product. That does not imply that Amel is to blame. It just means that Desalator has room for improving the product.
Until now I did not find a cruiser perfectly happy with his or hers watermaker. These things are extremely sensitive to bad treatment and treating them well can be a drag after so much time.
From my point of view there are a few things Desalator could improve with very little cost. I appreciate they don't change the product every two years and forget about spareparts for the installed base, like many companies do, but there are some obvious thing they could improve like many Amel owners already did themselves.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

 

One of the things that have not been mentioned in this Topic is the possible causes of the deterioration of some materials used for endcaps.

There is anecdotal evidence that points to Sodium Metabisulfite, the pickling chemical as being a cause, especially when it is mixed in a solution greater than recommended by Dessalator. IMPORTANTLY, the smaller watermakers (50-60 liter) have less than 1/3rd the internal volume that the larger watermakers (150-250), yet the recommended dosage is the same! This makes no sense to me. Additionally, there are some who believe if a small amount of pickling agent is good, more is better. BeBe (SM 387), with a D160 watermaker, had this "more is better" problem for the first 1.5 years of her life. She was cared for by an "experienced" guy in Tortola. He was one of those who believed, more is better. During his this time,  BeBe's owner only used BeBe 3 or 4 times for 2 weeks or less.  After each use, he had the caretaker pickle the watermaker. Within a few months of our ownership, the membranes needed replacing, and the white endcaps were deteriorated around the interconnect bobbin. When we bought BeBe, the watermaker had 34 hours on the meter, but the endcaps and the membranes needed replacing. I estimate that, except for a few weeks, the system was filled with a very high solution of Sodium Metabisulfite.

I replaced the white end caps with the "new" black end caps and had no issues for almost 11 years of ownership. During that ownership, I never used Sodium Metabisulfite. I replaced the membranes about every 3 years. I replaced them when the TDS neared 300ppm. This was my preference. Interestingly some Spectra watermakers have an auto-rejection system that rejects product water at 750ppm (default). Some watermaker manufacturers have said that any ppm that is under 1000ppm is safe. WHO states that 750ppm is safe, but recommends a daily intake limit at 500ppm. The efficiency of membranes, in terms of ppm changes with age. The slow creep of ppm will not be noticed. You should check ppm continuously.

Lastly, I have found Dessalaltor to be responsive to our needs. And, please remember this: "We encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond."

BTW, Dessalator is the supplier of choice of many Super Yachts.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 7:41 AM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
Hi Danny,

I fully agree we should not dismiss the choices Amel made too easy. I think the choice Amel made with the Desalator watermaker was excellent. But like with everything in life it was also a compromise between pro's and con's.
Reality is that companies that make watermakers are up to some extent just assembling stuff that is in the market anyway. So the membranes are from DuPont, the HP pump is from Cat, etc, etc.
But fact remains there are some valid points of criticism to be expressed for the Desalator product. That does not imply that Amel is to blame. It just means that Desalator has room for improving the product.
Until now I did not find a cruiser perfectly happy with his or hers watermaker. These things are extremely sensitive to bad treatment and treating them well can be a drag after so much time.
From my point of view there are a few things Desalator could improve with very little cost. I appreciate they don't change the product every two years and forget about spareparts for the installed base, like many companies do, but there are some obvious thing they could improve like many Amel owners already did themselves.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Danny,

I fully agree we should not dismiss the choices Amel made too easy. I think the choice Amel made with the Desalator watermaker was excellent. But like with everything in life it was also a compromise between pro's and con's.
Reality is that companies that make watermakers are up to some extent just assembling stuff that is in the market anyway. So the membranes are from DuPont, the HP pump is from Cat, etc, etc.
But fact remains there are some valid points of criticism to be expressed for the Desalator product. That does not imply that Amel is to blame. It just means that Desalator has room for improving the product.
Until now I did not find a cruiser perfectly happy with his or hers watermaker. These things are extremely sensitive to bad treatment and treating them well can be a drag after so much time.
From my point of view there are a few things Desalator could improve with very little cost. I appreciate they don't change the product every two years and forget about spareparts for the installed base, like many companies do, but there are some obvious thing they could improve like many Amel owners already did themselves.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: ZOOM Meeting Technical Questions: #ZOOM

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Tilo

I’m interested to join! Please put me on the list. 

Regards from Zurich

Ruedi Waldispuehl
WASABI A54. #55


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Datum: Montag, 20. April 2020 um 18:41
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Betreff: [AmelYachtOwners] ZOOM Meeting Technical Questions: #ZOOM

For those planning to attend the ZOOM meeting, please post questions to the Topic " ZOOM meeting technical questions" by replying to this email.

Tilo Peters will likely respond to these technical questions.

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Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


FW: [AmelYachtOwners] ZOOM Meeting of Members #ZOOM #poll

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Bill

I’m interested to join! Please put me on the list. These is a great idea, thanks.
Schedule is fine for me, Topics 2 and 6 are my favourites.

Sorry I’m probably a bit late because I was blocked due to Covid-19.
For a later session one of interesting topic is the Volvo D3-110 iC issues prevention.

Best
Ruedi Waldispuehl
WASABI A54. #55

Am 21.04.2020 um 17:39 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:



[Edited Message Follows]

A poll has been updated:

We would like to ask you which Topics you prefer to be discussed during the ZOOM meeting and if you are OK with the Tentative Schedule.

The following is the Tentative Schedule for the ZOOM meeting. By selecting GMT at 2000 hours, we can include members worldwide:

CountryGMT +/-Scheduled TimeScheduled Date
(GMT)020004/25/2020
UK Summer Time10021004/25/2020
NZ12008004/26/2020
AU Queensland10006004/26/2020
Tahiti-100010004/25/2020
USA West-70013004/25/2020
USA East-40016004/25/2020
USA Central-60014004/25/2020
Martinique-40016004/25/2020
Germany20022004/25/2020
Central EU Summer Time20022004/25/2020
Note: The above was checked with: https://greenwichmeantime.com/time-gadgets/time-zone-converter/
You can select multiple answers.

We plan a 30-minute ZOOM meeting with 15 minutes to discuss each of 2 Topics. We currently have 35 members that have expressed the wish to participate. I have a list of those members and will send an email to you today.

1. I am OK with the Tentative Schedule
2. Sourcing parts
3. SM & SN furler maintenance (Genoa & Main)
4. Hard Dodger plexiglass replacement
5. Galley Upgrades
6. Standing Rigging
7. Navigation Equipment Upgrades from B&G Hydra and B&G 3000

Vote Now

Do not reply to this message to vote in the poll. You can vote in polls only through the group's website.


Re: Switch on Bilge Float Tube

Diego de Miguel (Sailing Living Lab) Amel Sharki
 

Hello Heinz,

Thank you very much for your interest into the IDN system.
Could you please send an e-mail to me at: diego.demiguel@... ? then I will reply your e-mail with more detailed info, technichal specifications, and will add to Alejando Samaniego (CEO of IDN) in copy. Thus he will be able to add more info if needed.
Thanks again for you interest mate!

Best Regards,

Diego.


Re: Switch on Bilge Float Tube

Diego de Miguel (Sailing Living Lab) Amel Sharki
 

Thanks to you Ian.
I am planning to cross the Atlantic in december and to go to Florida. 
I see that you are in Fort Lauderdale, so we will be able to meet each other in the real world :-) 
All the best,

Diego.


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

Davi Rozgonyi
 

Hey all, not to drift the thread slightly, but my dessalator has been leaking pure product water from somewhere in the assembly I've yet to trace. It isn't coming from the two fresh water hoses that take away product water. What is left? Would a defective end cap crack cause this or more likely would spurt high pressure salt water? Or is there a seal kit that is more likely to fix the issue?
Thanks... 


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

Just after buying Aquarius I had new membranes installed, and the white nylon end caps were no good, so I had them replaced them with brand new black ones from Dessalator.  Two years later in New Zealand I had to get one new one custom made because the high pressure connector that goes between the two end caps was leaking.  The end cap had several cracks at that connection.  Anyway, I think there has to be a better solution for the end caps and the tubes to hold the membranes, but the high pressure pumps from Dessalator are amazing!
Just one opinion.

Aquarius 
SM2K #262 
Still stuck in Phuket Thailand


Re: ZOOM Meeting of Members #ZOOM #poll

 

Peter,

I added you. You need to cast the vote yourself. I cannot do that for you. CLICK HERE TO VOTE: Vote Now
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 7:37 PM Peter Jaeger via groups.io <mallamok=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Bill
Please put me on the list. I like this idea of an virtual event.
Schedule is fine for me, Topics 2 and 6 are my favourites.
Thx
Peter 
SM 003 / Neustadt i.H.

(Sent from mobile device)

Am 21.04.2020 um 17:39 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:



[Edited Message Follows]

A poll has been updated:

We would like to ask you which Topics you prefer to be discussed during the ZOOM meeting and if you are OK with the Tentative Schedule.

The following is the Tentative Schedule for the ZOOM meeting. By selecting GMT at 2000 hours, we can include members worldwide:

Country GMT +/- Scheduled Time Scheduled Date
(GMT) 0 2000 4/25/2020
UK Summer Time 100 2100 4/25/2020
NZ 1200 800 4/26/2020
AU Queensland 1000 600 4/26/2020
Tahiti -1000 1000 4/25/2020
USA West -700 1300 4/25/2020
USA East -400 1600 4/25/2020
USA Central -600 1400 4/25/2020
Martinique -400 1600 4/25/2020
Germany 200 2200 4/25/2020
Central EU Summer Time 200 2200 4/25/2020
Note: The above was checked with: https://greenwichmeantime.com/time-gadgets/time-zone-converter/
You can select multiple answers.

We plan a 30-minute ZOOM meeting with 15 minutes to discuss each of 2 Topics. We currently have 35 members that have expressed the wish to participate. I have a list of those members and will send an email to you today.

1. I am OK with the Tentative Schedule
2. Sourcing parts
3. SM & SN furler maintenance (Genoa & Main)
4. Hard Dodger plexiglass replacement
5. Galley Upgrades
6. Standing Rigging
7. Navigation Equipment Upgrades from B&G Hydra and B&G 3000

Vote Now

Do not reply to this message to vote in the poll. You can vote in polls only through the group's website.


B&G LED Replacement

Mark Erdos
 

Does anyone have a source for a replacement LED for a B&G Hydra 2000 8-button display?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: tb/custom broker BRISBANE/COOMERA QLD AUSTRALIA/AYOGF

Teun BAAS
 

To all, non-AUSTRALIAN, AMEL owners planning to bring major parts, equipment into AUSTRALIA tax-free under the international customary “YACHTS IN TRANSIT” schedule.

 

Following up on my earlier messages on the forum of my problems of importing “tax free” parts into AUSTRALIA under “YACHT IN TRANSIT” below are the Emails I exchanged with Bob WALLACE several weeks ago.

Bob gave me explicit permission to share our Emails on the AYOG Forum. I highlighted the essential part in yellow.

 

QUOTE

 

Sure no worries

You can get the dty gst back but not until you left Australia

With the smaller consignments you can use the under$1000 rule and get in without duty and gst and all the drama. So if you had say an order of $2000 you could get the supplier to pack them in 2 packages and send by airmail on different days and when they got here they would just be delivered to your address as long as they declared each package has a value of goods under A$1000

 

 

regards

 

Bob Wallace

Managing Director

Wallace International Pty Ltd

07 32127233     0419748522

 

 

 

From: Teun BAAS [mailto:teun@...]
Sent: Friday, 3 April 2020 2:52 PM
To: Bob Wallace
Cc: SHED i16; info@...
Subject: RE: BIMS 73579-2019 - Reporting position SV AMELIT/HOMEAFFAIRS [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

 

Hi Bob,

 

Hope all is well with your family, staff and you in these trying times.

 

Thanks for your Email – really a lot of work you put into this and wondering if it is worth the hassle as this time I can really substantially reduce/avoid bringing parts in. I am only glad that I had about USD150K worth of parts (VOLVO engine; sails; custom built dinghy; electric furlers; complete new navigation equipment etc.) imported in NEW CALEDONIA and VANUATU and not AUSTRALIA!!!

 

Would you be OK if I shared your information on the AMEL YACHT OWNERS GROUP Forum as that other AMEL owners are aware what to expect when they come to AUSTRALIA?

 

Have a great weekend.

 

Best Regards Teun

April 2, 2020 21:50:49

 

From: Bob Wallace <rwallace@...>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 21:04
To: Teun BAAS <teun@...>
Cc: SHED i16 <info@...>; info@...
Subject: RE: BIMS 73579-2019 - Reporting position SV AMELIT/HOMEAFFAIRS [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

 

Hi Teun,

I have taken this as high as it goes in Canberra and I am afraid that none of the them want to commit to a decision and they have disregarded the correspondence written by Officer Smith as he is not the person that has the authority to advise you of this’

However I still strongly believe that we can apply section 162 for these goods on arrival which allows for goods to be imported by a temporary resident under security that the goods will be exported within 12 months or such time as the ABF allows. This is similar to the Control Permit which applies to your yacht and you MUST report these goods and identify them when you leave the country with the yacht.

Australian Border Force (ABF) have advised that the goods MAY fall under section 162 but they will not give me specific permission in your case until the goods actually arrive. They are not committing on this as the wording under section 162 is the MAY give permission to enter under section 162. Technically this means that each case is judicated on arrival and as I don’t have an actual shipment they wont give me a decision.

So what we need to do is for you to order your shipment and get an invoice and a list of all the components you wish to order and get a copy of that invoice to me. Can you also get them to advise approximately the weights and measurements of the package that it would be shipped in. Once we have that then we can then see exactly the best way to deal with this.

I would think in the current climate you are going to have problems with your supplier due to lockdowns in Europe. There is also a large shortage of aircraft carrying cargo to Australia and the courier companies such as FEDEX etc are price gouging so you may have to put on hold for while anyway. The other way to send them is by Parcels Post if your supplier is prepared to do  but that will depend on the size and weight of the goods. The limitation of Parcels Post is 20 kg per carton and in most cases its more economic with around a 9 day delivery time.

We can discus this after you have advised exactly what you are going to consign etc. as we may be able to suggest other ways to get around the ABF provisions.

 

I realise that the way the world is at the moment that you may not be able to even get any response out of Europe and will wait for your response

 

Kind regards

 

 

Bob Wallace

Managing Director

Wallace International Pty Ltd

Ph   07-32127233

FAX 07-33996722

Mobile 0419 748522

Web : http//www.wallaceintl

 

UNQUOTE

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

Currently on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

April 21, 2020 17:50:27

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teun BAAS via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 20:03
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Cc: SHED i16 <info@...>; info@...; Carol Laisure Pool <clp@...>; 'CHANTIERS AMEL S.A. (sav@...)' <sav@...>; sales@...
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] tb/custom broker BRISBANE/COOMERA QLD AUSTRALIA/AYOGF

 

Evening Penny & Bob,

 

Just called WALLACE International as you suggested.

 

Asked for Bob and after being screened by 2 people  who were clearly not very keen to let me talk to Bob 😊until I mentioned your names and then I was transferred immediately to Bob; like the Red Sea parted for Moses.

 

Bob agreed completely that what I was looking for was NO problem and was surprised that Ryan KNAGGS (who works in the same building as he does) informed me otherwise.

 

Problem solved & thanks for the help in getting my AMEL parts into AUSTRALIA.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

On the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

March 4, 2020 20:01:14

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teun BAAS via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 19:42
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] tb/custom broker BRISBANE/COOMERA QLD AUSTRALIA/AYOGF

 

Hi Penny & Bob,

 

Greatly appreciate your help. I will try to get in touch with Bob WALLACE as my exchange with:

 

Ryan Knaggs

 

Wallace International

130 Riverside Place

Morningside QLD 4170

PO BOX 678 Bulimba QLD 4171

Ph: +61 7 3212 7233

 

was fruitless. I am not sure but believe that Ian MACKENZIE (the broker in my marina/yard who referred me to WALLACE International) told me that Bob retired recently?

 

Completely agree with your “You can do free clearance for personal  boat in transit, pleasure craft.

 

Will let you know how it worked out. Thanks again for the help.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

March 4, 2020 19:41:02

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of PENELOPE CONNOR via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 17:26
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] tb/custom broker BRISBANE/COOMERA QLD AUSTRALIA/AYOGF

 

Hi Teun,

I have just got back online after crossing and see you are wanting to get some bits for boat in transit in Queensland.

Ask to speak to “Bob Wallace” at Wallace International in Bris. If he does not look after you let me know, I will call him!  Bob knows all about imports into QLD for everything, he started the business in the 70’s. You can do free clearance for personal  boat in transit, pleasure craft.

Best Regards 

 

Barry and Penny Connor

“SV Lady Penelope II”

Amel 54. #17

Le MARIN anchorage. Martinique 

 

 

On Mar 4, 2020, at 13:55, Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:



Hi Alan,

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

Agree that NEW CALEDONIA is NO problem at all. I sailed for about 18 months around NC (still own a mooring there 😊); during 2018 had a bunch of AMEL parts come in and even imported a complete new VOLVO D3 engine w/o the slightest problem. Even in VANUATU things went flawless when I imported parts from USA, all new sails from TURKEY as well as the OCTender from NEW ZEALAND, But, so far, AUSTRALIA is a complete different experience.

 

The frustrating part is that the AUSTRALIAN authorities (ABF) agree with the YACHT IN TRANSIT concept but I have yet to find a custom broker experienced with this procedure.

 

On another topic, but still related, if any foreign owned boat considers selling or even have the boat listed for sale (on the internet or overseas) when calling or sailing in AUSTRALIAN waters you will have to pay the import duty REGARDLESS if the boat will ultimately be sold to another non AUSTRALIAN and/or leaves AUSTRALIAN waters; and AUSTRALIA reinforces this vigorously and have officers checking websites for any boats for sale. ABF will ask you several times, when they come on board during clearance, if you plan to sell the vessel; this is also one of the reasons they want you to report the position of the boat every 3 months. I had heard this from other sailors in NEW CAL as well as in VANUATU and although I have no intention of selling AMELIT it was reconfirmed when a fellow A54 owner intended to sail to AUSTRALIA and sell his A54. We were planning to buddy boat to AUSTRALIA until I suggested him to verify this information; he did and then changed his destination to NEW ZEALAND.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

March 4, 2020 10:50:04

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Leslie via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 22:42
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] tb/custom broker BRISBANE/COOMERA QLD AUSTRALIA/AYOGF

 

Hi Teun,

I can't help you with Customs Broker in Brisbane, but I would think that pretty much any customs broker would be able to do it for you.

Just FYI, in New Caledonia, when you arrive and  clear customs (they never come to the boat) in Port Moselle, you complete the customs declaration and the Capitainnerie fax off the form to Customs and if you don't hear anything within a few hours then you are cleared in. If you want to get your imported items for the boat in duty and tax free, you need to ask the Capitainnerie to ask customs to send back an IFT number...they never send it without being asked...and often you need to ask a few times.....basically its the customs form you filled in with their reference number on it. Presenting that form to Fedex, DHL or whoever will ensure you don't pay tax or duty on items imported for the yacht in transit.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: ZOOM Meeting of Members #ZOOM #poll

Peter Jaeger
 

Hi Bill
Please put me on the list. I like this idea of an virtual event.
Schedule is fine for me, Topics 2 and 6 are my favourites.
Thx
Peter 
SM 003 / Neustadt i.H.

(Sent from mobile device)

Am 21.04.2020 um 17:39 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:



[Edited Message Follows]

A poll has been updated:

We would like to ask you which Topics you prefer to be discussed during the ZOOM meeting and if you are OK with the Tentative Schedule.

The following is the Tentative Schedule for the ZOOM meeting. By selecting GMT at 2000 hours, we can include members worldwide:

Country GMT +/- Scheduled Time Scheduled Date
(GMT) 0 2000 4/25/2020
UK Summer Time 100 2100 4/25/2020
NZ 1200 800 4/26/2020
AU Queensland 1000 600 4/26/2020
Tahiti -1000 1000 4/25/2020
USA West -700 1300 4/25/2020
USA East -400 1600 4/25/2020
USA Central -600 1400 4/25/2020
Martinique -400 1600 4/25/2020
Germany 200 2200 4/25/2020
Central EU Summer Time 200 2200 4/25/2020
Note: The above was checked with: https://greenwichmeantime.com/time-gadgets/time-zone-converter/
You can select multiple answers.

We plan a 30-minute ZOOM meeting with 15 minutes to discuss each of 2 Topics. We currently have 35 members that have expressed the wish to participate. I have a list of those members and will send an email to you today.

1. I am OK with the Tentative Schedule
2. Sourcing parts
3. SM & SN furler maintenance (Genoa & Main)
4. Hard Dodger plexiglass replacement
5. Galley Upgrades
6. Standing Rigging
7. Navigation Equipment Upgrades from B&G Hydra and B&G 3000

Vote Now

Do not reply to this message to vote in the poll. You can vote in polls only through the group's website.


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi, I echo the call to be careful when dismissing the equipment Amel has installed.

while everyone has their own experiences of a variety of Amel systems and equipment it must always be remembered that few of us are perfect, I certainly am not and our poor experience could be operator error. I have had many of those myself over the years. The water-maker is an item that we pull apart and reassemble ourselves. There are multiple chances of error. eg the 0 rings used, the 0 ring installation, the tension on the through bolts, too tight too loose, uneven. poor installation of the pipe work. over tightened, under tightened wrong flushing technique, wrong chemicals used, chemicals use in the wrong way, in my experience any chemical is unnecessary. The list of possibilities is almost endless. Even installation of the membranes the wrong way round. When we got our SM in 2008 I was terrified of the water-maker.

I took advice from the wise heads on the forum and found it quite simple and am no longer frightened of it but still approach it with caution because there are many chances of error.. However many other people on other forums have created an almost mystical aura on the subject. 

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl



On 22 April 2020 at 10:58 hanspeter baettig <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:

Jean-Pierre
I think it‘s unfair to broadcast such negative things about Desal, . Amel is still installing Desal Watermakers and I had very good experiances with SAV Dessalator. Mr Wagner jun. and his team is helpful and have a amazing knowledge about H2O makers.
So pls. we know us , be specific what was your problem with SAV. Maybe I can help you, cause I have a very good contact with Wagner
best
en confinité à St. Martin
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM16

------ Original Nachricht ------
Am Montag, 20. Apr, 2020 um 20:55, Germain Jean-Pierre schrieb:

Hi Bill,

Thanks.  I also took the entire holder to the shop… to verify the interior measurements.  I suspect the new ones will be made to a closer tolerance.

Dessalator after sales service has been non existent. 

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain



On 21 Apr 2020, at 06:51, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote:

FYI, Dessalator originally made the membrane tube end caps out of white nylon. Emek copied Dessalator. Dessalator's choice of Nylon proved to be the wrong choice. Dessalator later made end caps from a harder material which was black. I am not sure of what the black material is, but, in my experience is that there have been very few issues with the Dessalator black end caps.
--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

</jp.germain45@...>
 


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

Porter McRoberts
 

Expensive. But I’ve had nothing but top notch support froM desalator as well. Weekends, evenings in France doesn’t matter. And fast delivery. 
Porter
A54-152


On Apr 21, 2020, at 6:59 PM, hanspeter baettig <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:

Jean-Pierre
I think it‘s unfair to broadcast such negative things about Desal, . Amel is still installing Desal Watermakers and I had very good experiances with SAV Dessalator. Mr Wagner jun. and his team is helpful and have a amazing knowledge about H2O makers.
So pls. we know us , be specific what was your problem with SAV. Maybe I can help you, cause I have a very good contact with Wagner
best
en confinité à St. Martin
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM16

------ Original Nachricht ------
Am Montag, 20. Apr, 2020 um 20:55, Germain Jean-Pierre schrieb:

Hi Bill,

Thanks.  I also took the entire holder to the shop… to verify the interior measurements.  I suspect the new ones will be made to a closer tolerance.

Dessalator after sales service has been non existent. 

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain



On 21 Apr 2020, at 06:51, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

FYI, Dessalator originally made the membrane tube end caps out of white nylon. Emek copied Dessalator. Dessalator's choice of Nylon proved to be the wrong choice. Dessalator later made end caps from a harder material which was black. I am not sure of what the black material is, but, in my experience is that there have been very few issues with the Dessalator black end caps.
--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

Mohammad Shirloo
 

I would highly recommend Martin Dee Jon of Dessalator. He can be reached at +34-637-890-333 or +33-607-346-511. We have always found him to be responsive and knowledgeable in the past 5 years.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ian Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 4:39 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Membrane Tube end caps

 

I have tried to use the Florida Dessalator service company called Multi-Tech. For those of us in North America, I would not recommend them at all. Did not return several calls or emails. Finally, I went to their location at Lauderdale Marine Center. I talked to a staff member and never got any follow-up or return call. Waste of time. 



Ian & Margaret

S/V Loca Lola II 

SM153

Bahamas


On Apr 21, 2020, at 6:58 PM, hanspeter baettig <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:

Jean-Pierre
I think it‘s unfair to broadcast such negative things about Desal, . Amel is still installing Desal Watermakers and I had very good experiances with SAV Dessalator. Mr Wagner jun. and his team is helpful and have a amazing knowledge about H2O makers.
So pls. we know us , be specific what was your problem with SAV. Maybe I can help you, cause I have a very good contact with Wagner
best
en confinité à St. Martin
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM16

------ Original Nachricht ------
Am Montag, 20. Apr, 2020 um 20:55, Germain Jean-Pierre schrieb:

Hi Bill,

 

Thanks.  I also took the entire holder to the shop… to verify the interior measurements.  I suspect the new ones will be made to a closer tolerance.

 

Dessalator after sales service has been non existent. 

 

Cheers,

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain

 

 

 

On 21 Apr 2020, at 06:51, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

 

FYI, Dessalator originally made the membrane tube end caps out of white nylon. Emek copied Dessalator. Dessalator's choice of Nylon proved to be the wrong choice. Dessalator later made end caps from a harder material which was black. I am not sure of what the black material is, but, in my experience is that there have been very few issues with the Dessalator black end caps.
--

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School

720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

Ian Townsend
 

I have tried to use the Florida Dessalator service company called Multi-Tech. For those of us in North America, I would not recommend them at all. Did not return several calls or emails. Finally, I went to their location at Lauderdale Marine Center. I talked to a staff member and never got any follow-up or return call. Waste of time. 


Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Bahamas

On Apr 21, 2020, at 6:58 PM, hanspeter baettig <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:

Jean-Pierre
I think it‘s unfair to broadcast such negative things about Desal, . Amel is still installing Desal Watermakers and I had very good experiances with SAV Dessalator. Mr Wagner jun. and his team is helpful and have a amazing knowledge about H2O makers.
So pls. we know us , be specific what was your problem with SAV. Maybe I can help you, cause I have a very good contact with Wagner
best
en confinité à St. Martin
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM16

------ Original Nachricht ------
Am Montag, 20. Apr, 2020 um 20:55, Germain Jean-Pierre schrieb:

Hi Bill,

Thanks.  I also took the entire holder to the shop… to verify the interior measurements.  I suspect the new ones will be made to a closer tolerance.

Dessalator after sales service has been non existent. 

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain



On 21 Apr 2020, at 06:51, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

FYI, Dessalator originally made the membrane tube end caps out of white nylon. Emek copied Dessalator. Dessalator's choice of Nylon proved to be the wrong choice. Dessalator later made end caps from a harder material which was black. I am not sure of what the black material is, but, in my experience is that there have been very few issues with the Dessalator black end caps.
--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

John Clark
 

Han, I had end caps made out of delrin in St Martin.  The machine shop is E&Msc.  It is behind Lagoonies.  The machinist made a few changes to beef them up.  I have run them now for two years with no issues.  

John Clark
SV Annie. SM 37
St Thomas USVI

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 6:59 PM hanspeter baettig <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:
Jean-Pierre
I think it‘s unfair to broadcast such negative things about Desal, . Amel is still installing Desal Watermakers and I had very good experiances with SAV Dessalator. Mr Wagner jun. and his team is helpful and have a amazing knowledge about H2O makers.
So pls. we know us , be specific what was your problem with SAV. Maybe I can help you, cause I have a very good contact with Wagner
best
en confinité à St. Martin
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM16

------ Original Nachricht ------
Am Montag, 20. Apr, 2020 um 20:55, Germain Jean-Pierre schrieb:

Hi Bill,

Thanks.  I also took the entire holder to the shop… to verify the interior measurements.  I suspect the new ones will be made to a closer tolerance.

Dessalator after sales service has been non existent. 

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain



On 21 Apr 2020, at 06:51, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

FYI, Dessalator originally made the membrane tube end caps out of white nylon. Emek copied Dessalator. Dessalator's choice of Nylon proved to be the wrong choice. Dessalator later made end caps from a harder material which was black. I am not sure of what the black material is, but, in my experience is that there have been very few issues with the Dessalator black end caps.
--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

hanspeter baettig
 

Jean-Pierre
I think it‘s unfair to broadcast such negative things about Desal, . Amel is still installing Desal Watermakers and I had very good experiances with SAV Dessalator. Mr Wagner jun. and his team is helpful and have a amazing knowledge about H2O makers.
So pls. we know us , be specific what was your problem with SAV. Maybe I can help you, cause I have a very good contact with Wagner
best
en confinité à St. Martin
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM16

------ Original Nachricht ------
Am Montag, 20. Apr, 2020 um 20:55, Germain Jean-Pierre schrieb:

Hi Bill,

Thanks.  I also took the entire holder to the shop… to verify the interior measurements.  I suspect the new ones will be made to a closer tolerance.

Dessalator after sales service has been non existent. 

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain



On 21 Apr 2020, at 06:51, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

FYI, Dessalator originally made the membrane tube end caps out of white nylon. Emek copied Dessalator. Dessalator's choice of Nylon proved to be the wrong choice. Dessalator later made end caps from a harder material which was black. I am not sure of what the black material is, but, in my experience is that there have been very few issues with the Dessalator black end caps.
--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970