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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: 24 volt charger on Yanmar quit working causing DC panel light to indicate fault

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

HI put your volt meter on current test are you out putting from the alternator to the house battery? If no most likely your alternator is shot. 100 amp replacement that had a smart regulator. This guy can get you a new 
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On Jan 18, 2016, at 17:37, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Will, 
My unit is original Amel so don't think it was Balmar but not sure.  Unit was spray painted silver which covered label so need to do some investigating to determine which unit I have.  I'm still looking for fuse and regulator location. 
Regards,


Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:16 PM, tango708@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben, Is your alternator a Balmar?  If so I believe that it is externally regulated.  I have experienced a couple of broken wires on my unit that were very easy to repair.  They were not Balmar problems but the result of bad crimps when installed.  Also, my unit does have an inline fuse.

Regards,
Will Stout
Anni Bea True
SM180
Marina Fort Louie
St. Martin, FWI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: 24 volt charger on Yanmar quit working causing DC panel light to indicate fault

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Will, 
My unit is original Amel so don't think it was Balmar but not sure.  Unit was spray painted silver which covered label so need to do some investigating to determine which unit I have.  I'm still looking for fuse and regulator location. 
Regards,


Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jan 18, 2016, at 5:16 PM, tango708@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben, Is your alternator a Balmar?  If so I believe that it is externally regulated.  I have experienced a couple of broken wires on my unit that were very easy to repair.  They were not Balmar problems but the result of bad crimps when installed.  Also, my unit does have an inline fuse.

Regards,
Will Stout
Anni Bea True
SM180
Marina Fort Louie
St. Martin, FWI


Re: 24 volt charger on Yanmar quit working causing DC panel light to indicate fault

tango708@...
 

Hi Ben, Is your alternator a Balmar?  If so I believe that it is externally regulated.  I have experienced a couple of broken wires on my unit that were very easy to repair.  They were not Balmar problems but the result of bad crimps when installed.  Also, my unit does have an inline fuse.

Regards,
Will Stout
Anni Bea True
SM180
Marina Fort Louie
St. Martin, FWI


24 volt charger on Yanmar quit working causing DC panel light to indicate fault

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

My engine quit charging house batteries.  DC panel light is usually white (yellow) indicating engine driven charger is working . I noticed light went to a dim orange - indicating a fault - and engine charger quit topping  off house batteries.  I put a multi-meter on positive and negativ poles coming out of unit and it reads 24 to 25 volt output.  I assume a fuse or regulator issue .  Does anyone  know if there is an external regulator or fuse for engine driven 24 v charger?  If output is there I can not figure out why batteries are not charging..


Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM. #347

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] genoa furler holding plate

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

What a wealth of information Olivier,
Are you ever in the Caribbean?
I would love to hire you to go over my vessel one day!
I am learning so much every time you reply a question on the forum.
Thanks again for your priceless knowledge and devotion!
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Blue Haven Marina, Turks & Caicos Islands



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On Mon, 1/18/16, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] genoa furler holding plate
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, January 18, 2016, 7:55 AM


 









Hello
Mike,
the
stainless steel part that you call tang is originally not
bent and must not remain bent.Once
straightened, don't mount it reverse (as you
did).This part
is not designed to absorb vertical downwards pressure but to
prevent the furling system (motor, gear-box and foil) from
going up.The bend
happens because of not enough tension on the genoa halyard,
or if the original VECTRAN core halyard has been replaced
with a regular polyester halyard.Before you
start furling your genoa (because of too much wind) you
should tension this halyard to the maximum you can. Some
people never touch the genoa or mainsail halyard. This is a
mistake that creates problems like the tang bending, or the
sail going out of shape.
Olivier


On Monday, January
18, 2016 11:55 AM, "mdondra@verizon.net
[amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



 










Are the
original genoa furler tangs from Amel straight or
bent?
After a passage
from the Chesapeake to Antigua in November, Aletes showed a
90 degree bend in the genoa hold down tang. This clearly
looked wrong. After taking up the tension on the halyard
and removing the tang, it sprang back to about a 45 degree
bend.  We presumed based upon this topic thread that
insufficient tension on the passage and pounding seas
caused the permanent bend.
We straightened it and reinstalled.
The reinstall did not fit well, so we turned the unit around
so that the bolt L faced aft rather than forward as
original. This configuration put a slight forward bend to
the tang, putting it rather close to the forestay turnbuckle
and not parallel to the forestay. This still didn't look
quite correct.
Looking at the tang on a 3 year
younger SM the tang was bent at approx. 45 degree as was
ours and as pictured by Ocean Bird on Dec 26, 2015 and in
the same place. The owner of the younger SM, who owned from
new, said the bend was always there.
My question is this. Is the 45
degree bend in the tang by design? Is the clevis connection
to the base plate designed to allow rotation as the tang
flexes. There is some potential rationale. With the bend,
the tang is parallel to the forestay and acts as a spring
shock absorber for the vertical loads of the furling system
in a pounding sea. It seems not a coincidence that on the 3
SMs that I have looked at for this, the bends are at about
the same place and amount.
Mike OndraAletes
SM#240






















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu

Paul Osterberg
 

Mark!
Have you decided to change the standing rigging? I am in the final decision stage to eventually have Q-sails to change my standing rigging to a new ACMO, if you have decided the same please send me an mail on sykerpa at gmail dot com, and I might have a few questions to ask you before the final decision. If anyone else are in the same position don't hesitate to contact me.
Paul S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Alain,

Thank you for the vote of confidence; however, I am definitely non techie and would only be a drag on the new forum.

However, I would agree to help in some other function.

Kind regards,

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007


On 18 Jan 2016, at 16:04, alainfeuillet@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Gary,
as earlier mentionned, I am volunteering to help you for the forum maintenance. If you can explain in a few words what moderation is about ie actions to perform, frequency, rights and duties... thanks in advance.
I may also help for relations with french people... Jean Pierre GERMAIN also I guess, as, both, we are french.
Cheers
Alain ( PILGRILM)




Re: Changes to Yahoo

alainfeuillet@...
 

Hello Gary,
as earlier mentionned, I am volunteering to help you for the forum maintenance. If you can explain in a few words what moderation is about ie actions to perform, frequency, rights and duties... thanks in advance.
I may also help for relations with french people... Jean Pierre GERMAIN also I guess, as, both, we are french.
Cheers
Alain ( PILGRILM)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] genoa furler holding plate

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Mike,

the stainless steel part that you call tang is originally not bent and must not remain bent.
Once straightened, don't mount it reverse (as you did).
This part is not designed to absorb vertical downwards pressure but to prevent the furling system (motor, gear-box and foil) from going up.
The bend happens because of not enough tension on the genoa halyard, or if the original VECTRAN core halyard has been replaced with a regular polyester halyard.
Before you start furling your genoa (because of too much wind) you should tension this halyard to the maximum you can. Some people never touch the genoa or mainsail halyard. This is a mistake that creates problems like the tang bending, or the sail going out of shape.

Olivier


On Monday, January 18, 2016 11:55 AM, "mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 

Are the original genoa furler tangs from Amel straight or bent?

After a passage from the Chesapeake to Antigua in November, Aletes showed a 90 degree bend in the genoa hold down tang. This clearly looked wrong. After taking up the tension on the halyard and removing the tang, it sprang back to about a 45 degree bend.  We presumed based upon this topic thread that insufficient tension on the passage and pounding seas caused the permanent bend.

We straightened it and reinstalled. The reinstall did not fit well, so we turned the unit around so that the bolt L faced aft rather than forward as original. This configuration put a slight forward bend to the tang, putting it rather close to the forestay turnbuckle and not parallel to the forestay. This still didn't look quite correct.

Looking at the tang on a 3 year younger SM the tang was bent at approx. 45 degree as was ours and as pictured by Ocean Bird on Dec 26, 2015 and in the same place. The owner of the younger SM, who owned from new, said the bend was always there.

My question is this. Is the 45 degree bend in the tang by design? Is the clevis connection to the base plate designed to allow rotation as the tang flexes. There is some potential rationale. With the bend, the tang is parallel to the forestay and acts as a spring shock absorber for the vertical loads of the furling system in a pounding sea. It seems not a coincidence that on the 3 SMs that I have looked at for this, the bends are at about the same place and amount.

Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] genoa furler holding plate

Mike Ondra
 


Are the original genoa furler tangs from Amel straight or bent?


After a passage from the Chesapeake to Antigua in November, Aletes showed a 90 degree bend in the genoa hold down tang. This clearly looked wrong. After taking up the tension on the halyard and removing the tang, it sprang back to about a 45 degree bend.  We presumed based upon this topic thread that insufficient tension on the passage and pounding seas caused the permanent bend.


We straightened it and reinstalled. The reinstall did not fit well, so we turned the unit around so that the bolt L faced aft rather than forward as original. This configuration put a slight forward bend to the tang, putting it rather close to the forestay turnbuckle and not parallel to the forestay. This still didn't look quite correct.


Looking at the tang on a 3 year younger SM the tang was bent at approx. 45 degree as was ours and as pictured by Ocean Bird on Dec 26, 2015 and in the same place. The owner of the younger SM, who owned from new, said the bend was always there.


My question is this. Is the 45 degree bend in the tang by design? Is the clevis connection to the base plate designed to allow rotation as the tang flexes. There is some potential rationale. With the bend, the tang is parallel to the forestay and acts as a spring shock absorber for the vertical loads of the furling system in a pounding sea. It seems not a coincidence that on the 3 SMs that I have looked at for this, the bends are at about the same place and amount.


Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240



Re: Changes to Yahoo

Gary Wells
 

Greetings :)

Been a busy week for us as we had guests aboard and we playing tourist guide through the BVIs.  Not much chance to get anything done until yesterday but I was able to make some additions.

For your review:
All messages from the Yahoo board have been captured through yesterday. I can do that at will and append the document now.
I uploaded and made available all these messages in both .pdf and .html.  You can download them and own the entire Yahoo group dialogue from day one.  It is an immense document and searching it takes a long time on a slow machine.  I think the web document (.html) is faster. Someday, when someone has a week with nothing to do, it would be nice to trim out about 900,000 words of spurious html markup from all these messages.  I think the finished document would be quite manageable then.  Not sure I'm up for that quite yet though.

Per the suggestions made here, I added numerous message boards and photo gallery categories and subs.  I did not go into the granularity that I could have because the bbs software is not exactly simple a filing system. The way it'll work is that is, for instance: Someone comes up with a solid service schedule and posts it under that category.  A moderator will format it and lock that message making it a 'sticky' note that will always be at the top of any other messages. If it needs to be updated, the moderator just unlocks it and the original poster or the moderator can update it. Then it gets re-stick-ified so it always remains first on a search and first on the message list for that topic.  

The photo organization will need conventions: any time you post a message and include photos the decision needs to be made whether or not that photo is just incidental to your message (i.e. this is us sailing along with the dolphins) or if it is substantial to the group (i.e. here is the information plate from my Leroy Somer Outhaul Motor).  
As I mentioned, there are several levels of the Photo Gallery already so pictures can be sent to the appropriate topic (and new ones made at any time). In addition, individual members in good standing can create their own galleries and just share them to other board members.  Overall, I think the availability of photos and documents will be better and easier to organize than in the the Yahoo group, but until we actually get some content going it's impossible to really see it.  
I really like the idea of a naming convention and I think the exhaustive description of the suggested 'directories and sub directories' could be integrated in the file naming conventions.  I will come up with some arbitrary conventions to start with and they can evolve from there.  Ultimately there is no way to enforce naming conventions prior to upload so it will will be incumbent upon the membership to try and make it easy on the rest of us.

I created separate categories for each model boat (again). The beauty of a beta :)  I like the idea that the format will be the same regardless of which model you own or are doing research on. Specs, sailing notes, checklists, parts sourcing and the whole spectrum of needed information should be organized identically for each model.  
Having said that, I have not created the sub-boards for any models except Super Maramu/Super Maramu 2000 because it's a bit of a time sink to do so and I await feedback from the group on what is currently available.

If you have a chance, please have a look at the changes and see what you think.

I could be ready to turn it on any time really. I'll just need to make a 'last pull' of the existing messages and make them available.

Thanks again for the suggestions and support.  Now, who is the current moderator of the Yahoo board?  

and .. I need a couple of volunteers to try their hand at the role of moderator :)  

Gary W.
s/v/ Adagio
Leverick Bay, VG BVI

 


---In amelyachtowners@..., <gary@...> wrote :


I do have web space available and can carve out a standard level PHP forum which would have the features we have been missing.
What I don't know is if the commonly available platforms will import from Yahoo. 
If it's something that the majority wants I'd be willing to invest time to get it started then seek a couple of folks to help moderate and administer it.
Have to wait till after Christmas tho :)

Gary W.
SM 209
S/V Adagio

From my DL750 Digicel

From my DL750 Digicel


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Grounding

Mark Erdos
 

Yes. There is a dedicated 20amp breaker for the SSB in the hanging locker by the nav station. This should go to the terminal label BLU. The SSB should be the only item on this circuit. From the terminal, you connect your 24v-12v step down isolated transformer and then connect the SSB to the transformer. I had a hard time finding an isolated transformer rated high enough for the power draw of the SSB. There are several discussions on this forum regarding this subject.

 

 

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Marsh Harbor – Abaco Island – Bahamas

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:55 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Grounding

 

 

Thank you, find the BLU, blank terminal, I also have a circuit beaker at the side of the chart table market BLU as well. Is BLU a spare breaker/terminal for general use?

Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Micro wave on Amel 54

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

Thanks Barry for helping Peter. The labels on my knobs are completely worn off. I am planning a new microwave this year. Someone with a SM recommended a Panasonic unit. It looks great and fits fine in the SM galley space. I just do not know if it will fit in the 54.
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54


On Saturday, January 16, 2016 7:46 AM, "Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Jamie,

It has twist knobs. I just really need to know which way to turn what knob to get Grill and which for microwave.

Peter
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
Travelling West in the Caribbean

On 15 Jan 2016, at 17:00, ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Not sure, but I think I have the same unit. Does it have twist knobs versus electronic buttons?
Is there something you need from the manual? I might be able to scan. It is not a full-size manual.
Jamie





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Grounding

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you then I'm on the right track in my installation
Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Grounding

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Paul,

BLU is “froggie” for HF… it is not a general use CB

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007


On 17 Jan 2016, at 09:55, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you, find the BLU, blank terminal, I also have a circuit beaker at the side of the chart table market BLU as well. Is BLU a spare breaker/terminal for general use?

Paul




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Grounding

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you, find the BLU, blank terminal, I also have a circuit beaker at the side of the chart table market BLU as well. Is BLU a spare breaker/terminal for general use?
Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Micro wave on Amel 54

Barry Connor
 

Hi Peter,
Not on the boat at this moment.
2 top twist knobs: top is for microwave oven program, underneath twist knob is for time.
2 push buttons at bottom: left when pressed in stops turntable turning, right one turns on grill when pushed in.
Don't forget to release the grill button when finished as you will melt your next meal.
We have an instruction manual on the boat and will scan it when next on boat, can send it to you.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope Connor 
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 #17
Marseille


On Saturday, January 16, 2016 12:46 PM, "Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners]"


 
Jamie,

It has twist knobs. I just really need to know which way to turn what knob to get Grill and which for microwave.

Peter
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
Travelling West in the Caribbean

On 15 Jan 2016, at 17:00, ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Not sure, but I think I have the same unit. Does it have twist knobs versus electronic buttons?
Is there something you need from the manual? I might be able to scan. It is not a full-size manual.
Jamie





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Micro wave on Amel 54

Peter Forbes
 

Jamie,

It has twist knobs. I just really need to know which way to turn what knob to get Grill and which for microwave.

Peter
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
Travelling West in the Caribbean

On 15 Jan 2016, at 17:00, ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Not sure, but I think I have the same unit. Does it have twist knobs versus electronic buttons?

Is there something you need from the manual? I might be able to scan. It is not a full-size manual.
Jamie



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Grounding

Mark Erdos
 

Paul,



Behind the chart table there is a green/yellow wire marked BLU. Without the SSB this cable is connected to the SSB grounding plate on the rudder and also to the ships boding system (zincs). When a SSB is added the ground for the SSB must be isolated from the ships bonding system. To do this, disconnect the wire behind the nav station. On Cream Puff there was a blank terminal to use.



Once you have installed your SSB, it is a good idea to check the resistance between the SSB ground and the ships bonding system. There should not be a connection.







With best regards,



Mark



Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising: Marsh Harbour – Abaco Islands - Bahamas



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 5:14 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Grounding





Thank you!

Do you or anyone else know where the thick (the thickest of man yellow and green ca 8 mm in diameter) yellow and green ground cable ends? it goes from a ground point behind the chart table after on starboard side and dissiperar through the last bulkhead in to the after lasarett, then I have not yet been able to trace where it goes. But can it be connected with the copper ground strip for the SSB radio? or the zink anode?

According to one manual i found on the forum

"the SM 2000 has got in standard two ground plates on the rudder, used by the SSB system. If the boat hasen't got any SSB theses ground plates are connected to the zink anodes. When setting up a SSB, disconnect the ground plates of the anodes (behind the chart table)"

I guess the thick yellow and green ground is connected with either the ground plates or the Zink anodes.

Any light on this subject is highly apreciated

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM2K #259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Grounding

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you!
Do you or anyone else know where the thick  (the thickest of man yellow and green ca 8 mm in diameter) yellow and green ground cable ends? it goes from a ground point behind the chart table after on starboard side and dissiperar  through the last bulkhead in to the after lasarett, then I have not yet been able to trace where it goes. But can it be connected with the copper ground strip for the SSB radio? or the zink anode?
According to one manual i found on the forum 
"the SM 2000 has got in standard two ground plates on the rudder, used by the SSB system. If the boat hasen't got any SSB theses ground plates are connected to the zink anodes. When setting up a SSB, disconnect the ground plates of the anodes (behind the chart table)"
I guess the thick yellow and green ground is connected with either the ground plates or the Zink anodes.
Any light on this subject is highly apreciated
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM2K #259