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furlers gear box lubrication

Santorin LO
 

Hi, Which is the manufacturer's recommended lub for the furling gear boxes and its thickness? my gearbox has cracked and I seep getting conflicting recommendations fro 'experts'.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Hi Eric,

You are correct. That is also a solution. I will try to do that on Monday.

I wrote my original email as a warning to those who has this cast elbow. It is not just simple replacement.

Did anybody use liquid gasket in addition to a metal one for installation of new mixing elbow?

Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good"

On Mar 5, 2016 8:33 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3

 

 

This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow.

Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much  thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break.

On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which  protruded from the nut are no longer usful.  I can install fabricated flange without a  problem, but I can't  use cast elbow with thick flange.  I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP.  I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange.  Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it.

I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3

eric freedman
 

Why don’t you take the elbow to a machine ship and have them mill off 6 mm of the flange?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 8:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3

 

 

This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow.

Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much  thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break.

On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which  protruded from the nut are no longer usful.  I can install fabricated flange without a  problem, but I can't  use cast elbow with thick flange.  I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP.  I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange.  Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it.

I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.


Installation problem for stainless steel cast mixing elbow for YANMAR engine 4JH3

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

This is additional information on the thread related to cast stainless steel mixing elbow.

Cast stainless mixing elbow is much better part at very good price. I was very happy when I bought one. But today I tried to install it and I couldn't. Cast part has much  thicker mounting flange. YANMAR mixing elbow has 6 mm thick flange. Cast elbow flange is 12 mm thick. In some cases effective pin length is too short to accomodate thick flange. Pin replacement is risky because corroded pin can easily break.

On my engine the elbow was leaking and one pin corroded so bad that the threads which  protruded from the nut are no longer usful.  I can install fabricated flange without a  problem, but I can't  use cast elbow with thick flange.  I am in Guadeloupe now and I have to fix my engine ASAP.  I have to evaluate my option now. I can grind off part of the flange to 6 mm thick. Or I can buy fabricated elbow that has 6 mm thick flange.  Pin replacement is not an option for me now. Most likely pin beaks if I try to remove it.

I have a question. Should I use liquid gasket in addition to the steel gasket that is normally used for this application? I believe that liquid high temperature gasket should improve sealing.


greetings from cold Switzerland

hanspeter baettig
 

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hanspeter baettig
 

Hi Chris
hope you are fine 👌
Just recently I found a girl promenading in Zurich with you t-shirt 😎
greetings from Switzerland
Hanspeter
Tamango 2


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Screw Plugs/Covers

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Bill,

Last year I purchase 20 from Amel (La Rochelle), they had them in stock.
They were 0.10 Euro each, they call them: Bouchon plastique pour rail/Plastic plug for track

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic





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On Fri, 3/4/16, greatketch@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Screw Plugs/Covers
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 4, 2016, 10:50 PM


 









Anybody have a source for those plastic plugs that
cover the holes on the tracks for the jib sheet cars?  Joel
said he thought they might come from Plastimo, but I
haven't had any luck finding them.  I dislike the idea
of salt water sitting on top of those bolts...

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM #160
Hollywood,
Florida











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Screw Plugs/Covers

Mark Erdos
 

I recently replaced all of mine. I purchase replacement plugs from Amel. Send Maude a picture with the diameter shown as Amel has a couple of different sizes.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  George Town – Exhuma Islands - Bahamas

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 11:51 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Screw Plugs/Covers

 

 

Anybody have a source for those plastic plugs that cover the holes on the tracks for the jib sheet cars?  Joel said he thought they might come from Plastimo, but I haven't had any luck finding them.  I dislike the idea of salt water sitting on top of those bolts...

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM #160
Hollywood, Florida

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Screw Plugs/Covers

eric freedman
 

I bought a bag of them from Amel years ago.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 11:51 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Screw Plugs/Covers

 

 

Anybody have a source for those plastic plugs that cover the holes on the tracks for the jib sheet cars?  Joel said he thought they might come from Plastimo, but I haven't had any luck finding them.  I dislike the idea of salt water sitting on top of those bolts...

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM #160
Hollywood, Florida

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] aluminum track mounted with SS fasteners

eric freedman
 

I find that Duralac is much more effective than tefgel.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 11:46 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] aluminum track mounted with SS fasteners

 

 

I am going to clarify my last post just a little bit...  It is an inaccurate simplification to say that Tefgel electrically isolates Stainless steel and aluminum parts.  It actually does not, and can actually be used on electrical connections quite well.  What it DOES do is keep water and electrolytes out of the gap between the parts.  No water, no salt, no corrosion!

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM#160
Hollywood, Florida


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Screw Plugs/Covers

Flavia Pozzolini
 

Hi Bill,
I had to replace a few of them and I got them stright from Amel as spare parts. 

All good wishes 

Andrea 

Schiccherona, SM 441
Cala de' Medici, Italy

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 05 mar 2016, alle ore 05:50, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

Anybody have a source for those plastic plugs that cover the holes on the tracks for the jib sheet cars?  Joel said he thought they might come from Plastimo, but I haven't had any luck finding them.  I dislike the idea of salt water sitting on top of those bolts...

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM #160
Hollywood, Florida



Re: Shaft Generator for SM2k

ericmeury@...
 

for the santorin i believe it is a motrola alternator.


Jib Track Screw Plugs/Covers

greatketch@...
 

Anybody have a source for those plastic plugs that cover the holes on the tracks for the jib sheet cars?  Joel said he thought they might come from Plastimo, but I haven't had any luck finding them.  I dislike the idea of salt water sitting on top of those bolts...

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM #160
Hollywood, Florida



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] aluminum track mounted with SS fasteners

greatketch@...
 

I am going to clarify my last post just a little bit...  It is an inaccurate simplification to say that Tefgel electrically isolates Stainless steel and aluminum parts.  It actually does not, and can actually be used on electrical connections quite well.  What it DOES do is keep water and electrolytes out of the gap between the parts.  No water, no salt, no corrosion!

Bill Kinney
Harmonie, SM#160
Hollywood, Florida


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] aluminum track mounted with SS fasteners

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Hi Bill,

Stainless fasteners into aluminum around salt water can be a problem if not done properly.

“Properly” means keeping the stainless and aluminum electrically isolated from each other.  If you use a product call Tefgel on the screws before threading them in you will have no trouble taking them out. I have removed stainless screws set in aluminum masts and booms with tefgel 10 years before by hand. Similar screws without isolation required the services of a very hot torch to remove.

It’s expensive, but a little 5 cc syringe goes a very long way.

There might be other products that also work, but this one I know works as advertised, and I know it works for at least as long as I have been working on boats.

Bill Kinney
S/V Hormonie SM #160
Hollywood Florida

On Mar 4, 2016, at 19:10, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello everyone  -


While I was doing the install on my new Antal car upgrade I previously talked of I decided that the main boom tracked needed an upgrade as well. I purchased a 5m long section of 31mm x 21mm track from Antal and the mounting screws that came with the track are stainless steel. (M8 x 1.25 x 50mm) Before doing the install of the new track I noticed that all the fasteners on the original Antal track are aluminum besides the fasteners of the end stops which are stainless steel with nylon washers. Am i correct to say that I should use the old aluminum fasteners instead of the SS fasteners that came with the track? Overtime, won't there be a reaction with the stainless steel fasteners and the aluminum of the track and the boom? Comments are always appreciated. 


Many Thanks,


Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good 




aluminum track mounted with SS fasteners

william_maffei@...
 

Hello everyone  -


While I was doing the install on my new Antal car upgrade I previously talked of I decided that the main boom tracked needed an upgrade as well. I purchased a 5m long section of 31mm x 21mm track from Antal and the mounting screws that came with the track are stainless steel. (M8 x 1.25 x 50mm) Before doing the install of the new track I noticed that all the fasteners on the original Antal track are aluminum besides the fasteners of the end stops which are stainless steel with nylon washers. Am i correct to say that I should use the old aluminum fasteners instead of the SS fasteners that came with the track? Overtime, won't there be a reaction with the stainless steel fasteners and the aluminum of the track and the boom? Comments are always appreciated. 


Many Thanks,


Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Rig Tuning

hanspeter baettig
 

Hi Craig
Sounds pretty cool. Now I understand your trick. Thanks.
Cheers
Hanspeter

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 04.03.2016 um 19:04 schrieb sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Hanspeter,

Quite easy, actually. Assuming it was bent while off the boat in a yard, just do the opposite of what bent it in the first place!  :-)
Seriously, though, I've bent several masts back into column when they got bent in the yard - usually by cars accidentally backing into them.  Just a matter of applying enough force on the opposite side with logical blocking and cushioning. Usually used a fork lift truck to slowly apply pressure. Obviously, you can't go past the point of elastic deformation.
That being said, I'll bet this is not Enio's problem - he likely just needs a more systematic approach to the tuning. 
Cheers,
Craig SN68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hello Craig
I like your wo rdings :-)
Take the mast down, bend it back so it is straight.
I'm wondering how you will do that ?

You have something invented in the US to do that. Let me know that is interessting :-)
Good sailing, and don't take that to serious
Hanspeter
SM 16 Tamango 2


Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 04.03.2016 um 14:58 schrieb sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...&g t;:

 

Hello Enio,

You may want to reread Joel's earlier post about tuning the masts independently, starting with the main. You should consider the triatic to be part of the mizzen and ignore it until you get the main straight and tight. Beyond that it is a little difficult to understand what the problem is. Have you tried slacking all the stays and seeing if the mast is straight? 
If it is straight with no tension on the stays, you should be able to keep it so as you tension the stays in the order Joel specified. Keep the triatic slack (by loosening the mizzen backs) until you are done with the main.
If it is still bent with all stays loose, perhaps it was bent by a yard at some point when it was off the boat (just guessing) - take it down and bend it back so it is straight. 
Let us know how you make out.
Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris, Flo rida
---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :
Yes, and 'wath i'm doing, but becomes to loose the triatic, which has a fixed lenght, and the main mast seems to bend at the lower spreads. This also tightening the lower shrouds aft..........Thanks. Enio 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Rig Tuning

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Hanspeter,
Quite easy, actually. Assuming it was bent while off the boat in a yard, just do the opposite of what bent it in the first place!  :-)
Seriously, though, I've bent several masts back into column when they got bent in the yard - usually by cars accidentally backing into them.  Just a matter of applying enough force on the opposite side with logical blocking and cushioning. Usually used a fork lift truck to slowly apply pressure. Obviously, you can't go past the point of elastic deformation.
That being said, I'll bet this is not Enio's problem - he likely just needs a more systematic approach to the tuning. 
Cheers,
Craig SN68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote :

Hello Craig
I like your wordings :-)
Take the mast down, bend it back so it is straight.
I'm wondering how you will do that ?

You have something invented in the US to do that. Let me know that is interessting :-)
Good sailing, and don't take that to serious
Hanspeter
SM 16 Tamango 2


Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 04.03.2016 um 14:58 schrieb sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hello Enio,

You may want to reread Joel's earlier post about tuning the masts independently, starting with the main. You should consider the triatic to be part of the mizzen and ignore it until you get the main straight and tight. Beyond that it is a little difficult to understand what the problem is. Have you tried slacking all the stays and seeing if the mast is straight? 
If it is straight with no tension on the stays, you should be able to keep it so as you tension the stays in the order Joel specified. Keep the triatic slack (by loosening the mizzen backs) until you are done with the main.
If it is still bent with all stays loose, perhaps it was bent by a yard at some point when it was off the boat (just guessing) - take it down and bend it back so it is straight. 
Let us know how you make out.
Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris, Flo rida
---In amelyachtowners@..., <rossienio@...> wrote :
Yes, and 'wath i'm doing, but becomes to loose the triatic, which has a fixed lenght, and the main mast seems to bend at the lower spreads. This also tightening the lower shrouds aft..........Thanks. Enio 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Equivalent Perkins engine to Volvo TDM 22

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

Yes I do. Got it from Steve and Liz. It is a 1992 M80T with about 4500 hours and in great condition. Contact me direct via email to discuss. Know Deltaville well.

ric@... .  

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 11:30 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Equivalent Perkins engine to Volvo TDM 22

 

 

Hi Ric in Annapolis:
Are you saying you have a Perkins M80T engine to sell?  what would be the cost, year and hours?  I own SM #105 currently in Deltaville, VA.
Thank you


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Plastic cover boom gearbox engine

Dan Wilcox
 

HI All.  I recently had to replace both gearboxes on my Super Maramu and had both Cima motors refurbished.  The secret to the white plastic sock is heat.  You can use a hair drier or better yet a heat gun and warm it up.  It then turns semi pliable and will slip on or off with no damage from prying.  Good Luck.

Thanks, Dan
s/v Feierabend
1992 Super Maramu # 86


On Friday, March 4, 2016 8:14 AM, davidlambertsen wrote:


 
All,
On my Maramu #258,  the 12 volt main mast furler motors are made by Cima in Italy, but are no longer available.  Best to keep fixing what you have.  Amel can supply a LeRoy Sommers replacement, if needed.
The Bonfiglioli gearboxes actually call for gear oil, not grease, but I still think the grease nipple is a good idea.

Bonfiglioli gearboxes are easily available from Drivetech Automation in Sunrise Florida.  Contact Mitch Silverman at "msilverman at "drivetechonline" dot "com".  He is very responsive.

David Lambertsen
s/v Have Fun!
1989 Maramu 258