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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

eric freedman
 

Kent,

Can’t you use the autoprop with your new engine?

It is such a great prop.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 6:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

 

 

When I was told by Bruntons that my Autoprop was what they recommended for a SM with 100 HP Yanmar, I had my fixed prop (which a good prop shop said was also over pitched for my 78 HP Volvo) repitched to what was recommended and got good rpm  again.  The Autoprop couldn't be repitched, so I replaced it with a MaxProp...not so persnickety as the AutoProp.

I wish I'd serviced the Autoprop first, it might have saved me 1000's of $.

 

I still have the repitched fixed prop (which is now under pitched for my new 110 Yanmar), and the old Autoprop which still hasn't been rebuilt.

If any one would like to buy either of these (but not both) I'd be happy to sell it for about half price plus shipping.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy 

Karkauai at yahoo dot com


On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

On kimberlite I had a loss of engine power. I tried everything and finally decided it was the prop. I ordered the stuff from AB marine and rented the tools. When I hauled the boat everything seemed fine . There was no play in the prop blades and everything spun freely---What the heck- I rebuilt the prop.

That was the problem. It is hard to believe that a few thousands of an inch makes a difference in the Autoprop performance, but it does.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 4:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

 

 

Ben,

When I had loss of rpm with my Volvo, I had the Autoprop cleaned and even out of the water all the blades spun freely on the hub.  I know that the only thing I didn't do (because I didn't know better, was to have the prop serviced.  Others have said that solved their problem.  If its been awhile since it was serviced, I'd do that even if the blades spin freely.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy 



On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks.   I'm diving the boat today .. It seems most feel prop is most likely.  If not, I'll move through all suggested fixes 

Thanks 

Ben Driver 

SM 347

La Bella Vita


Ben Driver


On Dec 4, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Ben,

 

I have a Volvo TDM 22 but diesels are diesels…

 

I encountered these symptoms on another boat… badly crusted propeller…

 

Other cause might be a faulty turbocharger.  Generally, we tend to baby our engines and this is not good.  I try to run at 80% or more power for 1 hour out of every 24 hrs of engine time.

 

Third possibility = a collapsed air filter.  BTDT.

 

Good luck.. at least the trouble shooting should be easy.

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain,

SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007

Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,

97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
sy.eleuthera@...

 

 

On 4 Dec 2015, at 17:09, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

I bought my SM in Feb 2015  and there are still many systems I need to better understand.  Most perplexing is I have seen declining engine RPMs since original survey.  Originally boat produced about 3100 RPMs (Yanmar manual says 3600/3800 tops - but I do know Autoprop may limit that number)  but has since declined to 1800.  Not sure why as engine seems to run fine - easy start, no smoke, no roughness at any RPM.  Racor and engine filters are new.  Manual shut off valve in passageway  is wide open (it actually will not shut off motor... but that's another issue).   I do have an Autoprop which was serviced well over a year ago - but not sure - by previous owner. Only other engine oddity as it runs very cold - never over 130F.   Boat has been in the water now for a little over a year with not much motor use.  Any and all suggestions would be welcome. 

 

Ben Driver

SM #347

La Bella Vita

 


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

karkauai
 

When I was told by Bruntons that my Autoprop was what they recommended for a SM with 100 HP Yanmar, I had my fixed prop (which a good prop shop said was also over pitched for my 78 HP Volvo) repitched to what was recommended and got good rpm  again.  The Autoprop couldn't be repitched, so I replaced it with a MaxProp...not so persnickety as the AutoProp.
I wish I'd serviced the Autoprop first, it might have saved me 1000's of $.

I still have the repitched fixed prop (which is now under pitched for my new 110 Yanmar), and the old Autoprop which still hasn't been rebuilt.
If any one would like to buy either of these (but not both) I'd be happy to sell it for about half price plus shipping.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy 
Karkauai at yahoo dot com


On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

On kimberlite I had a loss of engine power. I tried everything and finally decided it was the prop. I ordered the stuff from AB marine and rented the tools. When I hauled the boat everything seemed fine . There was no play in the prop blades and everything spun freely---What the heck- I rebuilt the prop.

That was the problem. It is hard to believe that a few thousands of an inch makes a difference in the Autoprop performance, but it does.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 4:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

 

 

Ben,

When I had loss of rpm with my Volvo, I had the Autoprop cleaned and even out of the water all the blades spun freely on the hub.  I know that the only thing I didn't do (because I didn't know better, was to have the prop serviced.  Others have said that solved their problem.  If its been awhile since it was serviced, I'd do that even if the blades spin freely.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy 



On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks.   I'm diving the boat today .. It seems most feel prop is most likely.  If not, I'll move through all suggested fixes 

Thanks 

Ben Driver 

SM 347

La Bella Vita


Ben Driver


On Dec 4, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Ben,

 

I have a Volvo TDM 22 but diesels are diesels…

 

I encountered these symptoms on another boat… badly crusted propeller…

 

Other cause might be a faulty turbocharger.  Generally, we tend to baby our engines and this is not good.  I try to run at 80% or more power for 1 hour out of every 24 hrs of engine time.

 

Third possibility = a collapsed air filter.  BTDT.

 

Good luck.. at least the trouble shooting should be easy.

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain,

SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007

Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,

97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
sy.eleuthera@...

 

 

On 4 Dec 2015, at 17:09, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

I bought my SM in Feb 2015  and there are still many systems I need to better understand.  Most perplexing is I have seen declining engine RPMs since original survey.  Originally boat produced about 3100 RPMs (Yanmar manual says 3600/3800 tops - but I do know Autoprop may limit that number)  but has since declined to 1800.  Not sure why as engine seems to run fine - easy start, no smoke, no roughness at any RPM.  Racor and engine filters are new.  Manual shut off valve in passageway  is wide open (it actually will not shut off motor... but that's another issue).   I do have an Autoprop which was serviced well over a year ago - but not sure - by previous owner. Only other engine oddity as it runs very cold - never over 130F.   Boat has been in the water now for a little over a year with not much motor use.  Any and all suggestions would be welcome. 

 

Ben Driver

SM #347

La Bella Vita

 


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

eric freedman
 

Kent,

On kimberlite I had a loss of engine power. I tried everything and finally decided it was the prop. I ordered the stuff from AB marine and rented the tools. When I hauled the boat everything seemed fine . There was no play in the prop blades and everything spun freely---What the heck- I rebuilt the prop.

That was the problem. It is hard to believe that a few thousands of an inch makes a difference in the Autoprop performance, but it does.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 4:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

 

 

Ben,

When I had loss of rpm with my Volvo, I had the Autoprop cleaned and even out of the water all the blades spun freely on the hub.  I know that the only thing I didn't do (because I didn't know better, was to have the prop serviced.  Others have said that solved their problem.  If its been awhile since it was serviced, I'd do that even if the blades spin freely.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy 



On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks.   I'm diving the boat today .. It seems most feel prop is most likely.  If not, I'll move through all suggested fixes 

Thanks 

Ben Driver 

SM 347

La Bella Vita


Ben Driver


On Dec 4, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Ben,

 

I have a Volvo TDM 22 but diesels are diesels…

 

I encountered these symptoms on another boat… badly crusted propeller…

 

Other cause might be a faulty turbocharger.  Generally, we tend to baby our engines and this is not good.  I try to run at 80% or more power for 1 hour out of every 24 hrs of engine time.

 

Third possibility = a collapsed air filter.  BTDT.

 

Good luck.. at least the trouble shooting should be easy.

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain,

SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007

Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,

97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
sy.eleuthera@...

 

 

On 4 Dec 2015, at 17:09, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

I bought my SM in Feb 2015  and there are still many systems I need to better understand.  Most perplexing is I have seen declining engine RPMs since original survey.  Originally boat produced about 3100 RPMs (Yanmar manual says 3600/3800 tops - but I do know Autoprop may limit that number)  but has since declined to 1800.  Not sure why as engine seems to run fine - easy start, no smoke, no roughness at any RPM.  Racor and engine filters are new.  Manual shut off valve in passageway  is wide open (it actually will not shut off motor... but that's another issue).   I do have an Autoprop which was serviced well over a year ago - but not sure - by previous owner. Only other engine oddity as it runs very cold - never over 130F.   Boat has been in the water now for a little over a year with not much motor use.  Any and all suggestions would be welcome. 

 

Ben Driver

SM #347

La Bella Vita

 


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

karkauai
 

Ben,
When I had loss of rpm with my Volvo, I had the Autoprop cleaned and even out of the water all the blades spun freely on the hub.  I know that the only thing I didn't do (because I didn't know better, was to have the prop serviced.  Others have said that solved their problem.  If its been awhile since it was serviced, I'd do that even if the blades spin freely.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy 


On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks.   I'm diving the boat today .. It seems most feel prop is most likely.  If not, I'll move through all suggested fixes 
Thanks 
Ben Driver 
SM 347
La Bella Vita

Ben Driver

On Dec 4, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Ben,


I have a Volvo TDM 22 but diesels are diesels…

I encountered these symptoms on another boat… badly crusted propeller…

Other cause might be a faulty turbocharger.  Generally, we tend to baby our engines and this is not good.  I try to run at 80% or more power for 1 hour out of every 24 hrs of engine time.

Third possibility = a collapsed air filter.  BTDT.

Good luck.. at least the trouble shooting should be easy.


Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007
Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,
97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
sy.eleuthera@...


On 4 Dec 2015, at 17:09, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I bought my SM in Feb 2015  and there are still many systems I need to better understand.  Most perplexing is I have seen declining engine RPMs since original survey.  Originally boat produced about 3100 RPMs (Yanmar manual says 3600/3800 tops - but I do know Autoprop may limit that number)  but has since declined to 1800.  Not sure why as engine seems to run fine - easy start, no smoke, no roughness at any RPM.  Racor and engine filters are new.  Manual shut off valve in passageway  is wide open (it actually will not shut off motor... but that's another issue).   I do have an Autoprop which was serviced well over a year ago - but not sure - by previous owner. Only other engine oddity as it runs very cold - never over 130F.   Boat has been in the water now for a little over a year with not much motor use.  Any and all suggestions would be welcome. 


Ben Driver

SM #347

La Bella Vita



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

karkauai
 

Thanks, John.  That's what I've decided to do with my 220AC system.

Now chasing down a connection between 24v DC (+) main cable (that goes from the main battery switch to the lug on the foreword bulkhead in the engine room...disconnected from all other cables at the lug) and the bonding system.  When checking resistance, it is a solid (no resistance) connection that carries enough amps to light a test bulb when the main battery switch is on and all 24v breakers are off (including the ones in the engine room, passageway, and foreword port locker).  When the switch is off it has no voltage, but still shows a no resistance connection.  If I disconnect battery + cable in the battery compartment, the connection disappears.  The negative side shows no connection or voltage with the switch either on or off.

The only 24v equipment that is connected to the battery side of the main switch is the Charles 60 Amp charger, and the "Permanent " 24->12V Sailor transformer under the Nav station.

Does any of this suggest to anyone where the connection is?

I'm in the Jacksonville FL area, does anyone know of a good...make that Great...marine electrician nearby?

Thanks again everyone for your patience and help.
Kent 
SM243
Kristy 
Fernandina Beach FL


On Dec 5, 2015, at 7:22 PM, jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Is this a case of PREVIOUSLY the risk was so small, and the disandvatages significant, that the AC generator ground - neutral connection was not made, whereas nowadays, with readily available galvanic isolators and a more litiginous society the small risk overcomes the disadvantages and it should be connected. So it would be sensible to modify older designs that may have been correct at the time where circumstances have moved on. Amels have always evolved so modifying an older Amel to mirror a newer Amel's systems seems totally in order and not messing with Cpt Henry's concepts.

 

John

Maramu #91 1981


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

karkauai
 

Thank you gentlemen.  I think the two breakers in the forward port locker marked Guindeau (or something like that) are for the windlass controls and a larger one that supplies the windlass motor and job furler.  Two others are for the mainsail furler (Matt?) and outhaul (bome).

I haven't found one for the thruster...I think Andrew's right.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy 


On Dec 5, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

There is only a breaker for the bow thruster control circuits on the main panel above the Galley - there is no breaker for the motor itself as currents can get to over 400 amps

Andrew

SM 472


On 6 Dec 2015, at 03:46, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

I do not believe there is a breaker for the bow thruster, There might be a Gigondo fuse somewhere but I doubt it.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 6:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 

 

Where is the breaker for the bow thruster, if there is one?
Thanks,
Kent
SM253
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yahoo changes...

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

I downloaded just under 4000 messages and then exported these and this created an sqllite file that was around 8MB, but I suspect that this is probably padded out and probably is a meaningless size. I was able to open this file using an SQLLite browser and therefore run queries on the messages.

 

The application itself is fairly clunky but does seem to work in terms of searching by single or multiple words in subject or body. Also messages can be ordered by various fields also.

 

More worrying are some of the comments from the developer who I asked about the file and photo download issues – here is his responses:

 

Yahoo continually make changes to their system. Unfortunately they make these changes piecemeal over geographic locations.

 What is changed for the USA may not be changed for Europe. As we are in Europe we may not see changes that just happen in the US.

Also from a forum that he uses to support his application he quoted this:

"Access to Group Files was finally restored, very briefly, for 1.5-2 hours at most, late this afternoon.

 

And then, as one ought to expect from Yahoo, they RESTORED THE PROBLEM.

Viola!  Files once again became inaccessible, just as before.  No files, no folders, no toolbar, it's all just vanished.

 

And other less busy Groups have fallen completely silent and are not even generating Digest emails.  So this does not appear to be some idiosyncratic little glitch affecting only Files and affecting only some few Groups.  "

 

So in short this tool was designed to allow you to maintain an offline copy of the forum occasionally updating it with new messages and files that you can also keep offline. However it is unsupported by yahoo and I suspect may allow us to export all the messages, photos and files from yahoo but probably will not be reliable enough to maintain a regularly updated offline copy, but it also sounds like no tool would be able to cope with the regular un specified changes that yahoo keep making to the sites.

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

 

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 4:34 AM
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Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yahoo changes...

 

 

Wow that’s great.

How much disk space did your messages take? Can it be sorted and searched?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376’

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 10:06 PM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
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I would agree with a lot of that but receiving a simple text message can also be easier if you are in a low bandwidth situation.

 

I download and tried the yahoo forum offline tool - http://www.personalgroupware.com/index.htm - The trial version fairly quickly downloaded 4000 or so messages - I will try and leave it running and download the rest in the next day or so - the file and photos download didn't seem to work though. If that can be made to work then it would seem an ideal offline tool to have a local copy of the forum messages and would be very useful when away from Internet access. I note also that the creator offers a bulk discount - I wonder if they would give forum members a discounted price.

 

Also it looks like it exports all the messages and attachments in SQLLite format so it should be technically possible to transform this into a format that could be migrated to another forum.

 

Andrew

SM 472


On 6 Dec 2015, at 03:25, Rick Grimes rickgrimes1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

If I were king of the Amel Forum, I would move away from Yahoo altogether and subscribe to a more contemporary platform--then migrate all the Amel forum archives over to the new platform.  I would look for one that allowed, for example, the ability to post a photo or video--or link to a photo or video --within a message. ("Here's a photo of the bow thruster breaker, Kent, located in the forward port cabin locker..." "Here's a photo of my corroded anchor chain. Do I need a new chain? Or is there a way to clean this up?..." "Here's a link to a YouTube that shows how to dismantle and serviceq the motor for the Furler

Rick & Linda Grimes

S/V "Rascal"

SM2K (#404)

609-932-2307

Sent on the run from my iPhone


On Dec 5, 2015, at 6:46 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I note it says  "download the fully featured trial version", which implies that someone would need to pay for the full version.
I personally think that the glory days of free internet are coming to an end, and seriously, why not, if it was me I wouldn't be providing all this stuff for nothing.
So, we need to find a way to archive all the stuff that is on this group to...a dropbox....or ???
I'm happy to put in the hard yards to do it, if others are...but we need a secure place to put it all
What does everyone else think ???
Cheers'
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] main out haul furling gearbox shaft

eric freedman
 

 

Bill,

Damn I can’t spell this morning !!

 

I use a long grade 10 (black steel) allen head cap screw . I install it in the bolt hole in the bottom of the shaft of the furler.

I then use a small sledge hammer-about 2 kilos and drive the shaft out.

It comes out easily now since I use anti seize compound on it twice a year.

 

The first time this did not work. I had to remove the boom, place it upside down on the deck . I supported it on wood dunnage and used the same bolt with a BIG sledge hammer. That removed the shaft.

If you look at Kimberlite photos you will see how it was done.

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/photostream/lightbox/1763605363?orderBy=mtime&sortOrder=desc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/2031607165

 

 

I also added grease ports to the gear boxes and genoa furler. I tapped them with a 5mm metric tap and used nylon bolts to fill the tapped holes. To grease it I use the autoprop grease fitting . One hole is tapped low on one side and high on the other side of the gearbox. I put grease in the lower fitting and grease it till the grease comes out clean.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 8:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] main out haul furling gearbox shaft

 

 

Hi everyone -

 

I have a new project on hands and I have seen the posts regarding the outhaul overhaul. All these post have been extremely helpful. Just wondering if anyone else can chime in on the methods they have used to pull the shaft from the transmission before I purchase a bearing puller or other device to help. I have a pretty good spread of tools/equipment on board including a few thing that might help. 

 

Thus far I have removed the furling motor which was tested and proved to not be the problem. Transmission (current) needs an overhaul and I have two spares to put on in the meantime however, getting the shaft to free has been an issue. I have used PB blaster overnight and I am currently thinking up a devise that I can set up to "press" the shaft through. 

 

Creative ideas are welcome. 

 

Bill Maffei

SM #196 

It's all Good 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] main out haul furling gearbox shaft

eric freedman
 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 1:25 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] main out haul furling gearbox shaft

 

 

Bill,

I use a long grade 10 (black steel) allen head cap screw . I install it in the bolt hole in the bottom of the shaft of the furler.

I then use a small sledge hammer-about 2 kilos and drive the shaft out.

It comes out easily now since I use anti seize compound on it twice a year.

 

The first time this did not work. I had to remove the boom, place it upside down on the deck . I supported it on wood dunnage and used the same bolt with a BIG sledge hammer. That removed the bolt.

If you look at Kimberlite photos you will see how it was done.

 

I also added grease ports to the gear boxes and genoa furler. I tapped them with a 5mm metric tap and used nylon bolts to fill the tapped holes. To grease it I use the autoprop grease fitting . One hole is tapped low on one side and high on the other side of the gearbox. I put grease in the lower fitting and grease it till the grease comes out clean.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 8:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] main out haul furling gearbox shaft

 

 

Hi everyone -

 

I have a new project on hands and I have seen the posts regarding the outhaul overhaul. All these post have been extremely helpful. Just wondering if anyone else can chime in on the methods they have used to pull the shaft from the transmission before I purchase a bearing puller or other device to help. I have a pretty good spread of tools/equipment on board including a few thing that might help. 

 

Thus far I have removed the furling motor which was tested and proved to not be the problem. Transmission (current) needs an overhaul and I have two spares to put on in the meantime however, getting the shaft to free has been an issue. I have used PB blaster overnight and I am currently thinking up a devise that I can set up to "press" the shaft through. 

 

Creative ideas are welcome. 

 

Bill Maffei

SM #196 

It's all Good 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] main out haul furling gearbox shaft

eric freedman
 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 1:25 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] main out haul furling gearbox shaft

 

 

Bill,

I use a long grade 10 (black steel) allen head cap screw . I install it in the bolt hole in the bottom of the shaft of the furler.

I then use a small sledge hammer-about 2 kilos and drive the shaft out.

It comes out easily now since I use anti seize compound on it twice a year.

 

The first time this did not work. I had to remove the boom, place it upside down on the deck . I supported it on weed dunnage and used the same bolt with a BIG sledge hammer. That removed the bolt.

If you look at Kimberlite photos you will see how it was done.

 

I also added grease ports to the gear boxes and genoa furler. I tapped them with a 5mm metric tap and used nylon bolts to fill the tapped holes. To grease it I use the autoprop grease fitting . One hole is tapped low on one side and high on the other side of the gearbox. I put grease in the lower fitting and grease it till the grease comes out clean.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 8:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] main out haul furling gearbox shaft

 

 

Hi everyone -

 

I have a new project on hands and I have seen the posts regarding the outhaul overhaul. All these post have been extremely helpful. Just wondering if anyone else can chime in on the methods they have used to pull the shaft from the transmission before I purchase a bearing puller or other device to help. I have a pretty good spread of tools/equipment on board including a few thing that might help. 

 

Thus far I have removed the furling motor which was tested and proved to not be the problem. Transmission (current) needs an overhaul and I have two spares to put on in the meantime however, getting the shaft to free has been an issue. I have used PB blaster overnight and I am currently thinking up a devise that I can set up to "press" the shaft through. 

 

Creative ideas are welcome. 

 

Bill Maffei

SM #196 

It's all Good 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] main out haul furling gearbox shaft

eric freedman
 

Bill,

I use a long grade 10 (black steel) allen head cap screw . I install it in the bolt hole in the bottom of the shaft of the furler.

I then use a small sledge hammer-about 2 kilos and drive the shaft out.

It comes out easily now since I use anti seize compound on it twice a year.

 

The first time this did not work. I had to remove the boom, place it upside down on the deck . I supported it on weed dunnage and used the same bolt with a BIG sledge hammer. That removed the bolt.

If you look at Kimberlite photos you will see how it was done.

 

I also added grease ports to the gear boxes and genoa furler. I tapped them with a 5mm metric tap and used nylon bolts to fill the tapped holes. To grease it I use the autoprop grease fitting . One hole is tapped low on one side and high on the other side of the gearbox. I put grease in the lower fitting and grease it till the grease comes out clean.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 8:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] main out haul furling gearbox shaft

 

 

Hi everyone -

 

I have a new project on hands and I have seen the posts regarding the outhaul overhaul. All these post have been extremely helpful. Just wondering if anyone else can chime in on the methods they have used to pull the shaft from the transmission before I purchase a bearing puller or other device to help. I have a pretty good spread of tools/equipment on board including a few thing that might help. 

 

Thus far I have removed the furling motor which was tested and proved to not be the problem. Transmission (current) needs an overhaul and I have two spares to put on in the meantime however, getting the shaft to free has been an issue. I have used PB blaster overnight and I am currently thinking up a devise that I can set up to "press" the shaft through. 

 

Creative ideas are welcome. 

 

Bill Maffei

SM #196 

It's all Good 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] More than you ever wanted to know about the absent fuse for the bow thruster...

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Which all goes to show, you have to do the miles.
Fairwinds ,
Trevor
Seafevr
SM425
Mexico


Fw: [Amel Yacht Owners] main out haul furling gearbox shaft

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 


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From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Sent: Monday, 7 December 2015 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] main out haul furling gearbox shaft

Hi Bill I had that problem in Colon at the shelter bay marina. I decided to replace the bearings as preventive maintenance prior to the big pacific crossing. After I had spent ages trying I asked the boat yard to use a gas torch to heat the unit to loosen the shaft. Instead they sent a big man with a big puller and a big hammer. Result shattered gearbox casing and the shaft still stuck. Then they brought the gas torch and five minutes later the shaft was out. Lesson beware big man with heavy tools. Heating with a gas torch quickly releases the shaft.  As to the future greasing of the shaft...essential to prevent future problems, draw it periodically and grease it. I have found lanacote lasts best.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


From: "william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 7 December 2015 2:57 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] main out haul furling gearbox shaft

 
Hi everyone -

I have a new project on hands and I have seen the posts regarding the outhaul overhaul. All these post have been extremely helpful. Just wondering if anyone else can chime in on the methods they have used to pull the shaft from the transmission before I purchase a bearing puller or other device to help. I have a pretty good spread of tools/equipment on board including a few thing that might help. 

Thus far I have removed the furling motor which was tested and proved to not be the problem. Transmission (current) needs an overhaul and I have two spares to put on in the meantime however, getting the shaft to free has been an issue. I have used PB blaster overnight and I am currently thinking up a devise that I can set up to "press" the shaft through. 

Creative ideas are welcome. 

Bill Maffei
SM #196 
It's all Good 





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Front opening refridgerator

eric freedman
 

Hi Paul
Could you send me the photo?
Kimberlite@optonline.net
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

-----Original Message-----
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 10:27 AM
To: Amel Blog
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Front opening refridgerator

Here is a photo. As you can see the small freezer compartment is replaced
by a cooling unit bent to cover the top right and back wall of the existing
fridge, then covered with plate to protect it.

Paul
SV Nomad

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 05:26:18 -0800
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Front opening refridgerator


























Hello! Please send photos, As I'm also changing cooling unit in the
Fridge/freezer as well and thinking of building a freezer where the dish
washer use to be, all ideas welcome when in the thought process to find good
final solutions

Paul on sykerpa at gmail dot com SM#295



















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Front opening refridgerator

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

If your fridge is like ours, follow this: 

Are you sure that you want a more "efficient" fridge????
  1. A water cooled fridge will get clogged with marine life and fail
  2. A water cooled fridge cannot be operated when out f the water.
  3. One more pump to overhaul.
How much will that efficiency really cost you????

Best,

Bill 
BeBe 387


On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:26 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello! Please send photos, As I'm also changing cooling unit in the Fridge/freezer as well and thinking of building a freezer where the dish washer use to be, all ideas welcome when in the thought process to find good final solutions


Paul on sykerpa at gmail dot com 
SM#295



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] More than you ever wanted to know about the absent fuse for the bow thruster...

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Thanks, Joel.

That makes perfect sense to me...but, of course I am not an EE...just a lowly IE.

Jamie, how does that sound to you...pretty smart, isn't it.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 4:59 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I asked Jacques Carteau, Amel’s retired technical manager and one time Chairman, how he could possibly allow there to be no circuit protection on the bow thruster way back when they became standard fitment. I was quite pointed in my objection which annoyed him greatly. He sat me down in his office and said something like, First, we tell all new Amel buyers, with great emphasis, that the bow thruster can take fire if abused. This prevents a multitude of bad habits with the thruster. Second, the only probable time the thruster would be overused by a thoughtful and prudent yachtsperson would be in time of an emergency situation which was jeopardizing the boat and those aboard such as what might happen with the failure of the main propulsion at an inopportune moment such as while docking in wind and current. He reckoned that burning up the thruster and even the possibility of setting it on fire would be a fair price to pay to prevent severe damage to the boat and possible injuries to those aboard. Then he asked me if I knew who my parents are and if I ever put both feet in the same shoe and…

He was/is a pretty cool guy.

All The Best and have fun with your Amel, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 9:46 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

Kent,

I do not believe there is a breaker for the bow thruster, There might be a Gigondo fuse somewhere but I doubt it.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 6:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

Where is the breaker for the bow thruster, if there is one?
Thanks,
Kent
SM253
Kristy

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Front opening refridgerator

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello!
Can't find the photo ...
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM #259 Wintering Finike Turkey


More than you ever wanted to know about the absent fuse for the bow thruster...

amelforme
 

I asked Jacques Carteau, Amel’s retired technical manager and one time Chairman, how he could possibly allow there to be no circuit protection on the bow thruster way back when they became standard fitment. I was quite pointed in my objection which annoyed him greatly. He sat me down in his office and said something like, First, we tell all new Amel buyers, with great emphasis, that the bow thruster can take fire if abused. This prevents a multitude of bad habits with the thruster. Second, the only probable time the thruster would be overused by a thoughtful and prudent yachtsperson would be in time of an emergency situation which was jeopardizing the boat and those aboard such as what might happen with the failure of the main propulsion at an inopportune moment such as while docking in wind and current. He reckoned that burning up the thruster and even the possibility of setting it on fire would be a fair price to pay to prevent severe damage to the boat and possible injuries to those aboard. Then he asked me if I knew who my parents are and if I ever put both feet in the same shoe and…



He was/is a pretty cool guy.



All The Best and have fun with your Amel, Joel



Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell







From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 9:46 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis





Kent,

I do not believe there is a breaker for the bow thruster, There might be a Gigondo fuse somewhere but I doubt it.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376





From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 6:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis





Where is the breaker for the bow thruster, if there is one?
Thanks,
Kent
SM253
Kristy





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Re: main out haul furling gearbox shaft

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Bill,
     From the many postings over the years, it seems that I was very lucky and a small bearing puller did it relatively easily ( there was some hammering). Somewhere in the archives, you will find a posting were the boom had to be taken to a machine shop.
The learning from all of this, has to be to regularly grease the stainless shaft in the Anderson winch on the boom.
Many of us have also added grease points to the transmission case, but it is a case of a little rather than a lot when servicing.
Regards,
Trevor
Seafever
SM 425
Mexico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Front opening refridgerator

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

Here is a photo. As you can see the small freezer compartment is replaced by a cooling unit bent to cover the top right and back wall of the existing fridge, then covered with plate to protect it.

Paul
SV Nomad

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 05:26:18 -0800
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Front opening refridgerator


























Hello! Please send photos, As I'm also changing cooling unit in the Fridge/freezer as well and thinking of building a freezer where the dish washer use to be, all ideas welcome when in the thought process to find good final solutions

Paul on sykerpa at gmail dot com SM#295