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Re: Leaking Copper Tube - Holding Tank

Mark Erdos
 

 

Looking inside the tank, there is a U shaped hose attached to the inlet to push the waste upward. Does anyone know if this is the same copper tube (meaning the tube would be one piece and sleeved through the tank). If this is the case, it might be very difficult to remove.

 

 

 

I’m still at a bit of a lose as to how to begin this repair. Any insight is greatly appreciated.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Green Turtle Cay – Abaco Islands - Bahamas

 

From: Mark Erdos [mailto:mcerdos@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 11:24 AM
To: 'amelyachtowners@...'
Subject: Leaking Copper Tube - Holding Tank

 

Oh, the joys of boat ownership…

 

I have a leak in the aft holding tank. The copper tube on the inlet side of the tank has a crack. Phew! I see where others have had a similar issue but don’t see the solution posted.

 

I have a couple of questions before I dive into this:

 

1)      How is the copper tube fastened to the tank? I do not see threads.

2)      What is the best way to remove the copper tube?

3)      What size tube do I need to replace this?

4)      What is the best way to insert and waterproof the replacement tube?

5)      I think something non-metallic might be a better material choice. Any suggestions?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Green Turtle Cay – Abaco Islands - Bahamas

 


Rig work

kanalmamman@...
 

SV Delos has made 3 youTube films about changing the rig. I have only seen the third (lack of internet.....)

It is well worht seeing!

Here is a URL to the third episode, the other two you can easily find on theire YouTube account.


63. SV Delos Sailing- Changing Our Rig (3 of 3)


/Annsofie

S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Neale Michael <michaelneale256@...>
 

Gary,

Well done. Thanks for your efforts.

Mike Neale

On Jan 8, 2016, at 5:16 AM, gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi James, If we go to the new board, it is a completely autonomous system s leo there will be no connectivity to Yahoo at all. A new registration altogether. The good thing is that the user names are not all taken up :)



Alain,  thanks for the kudos.  The board is quick right now because it's empty :)  I do not have a second validation level in place yet, which would be "Admin Approval" meaning I would have to validate each request. I think since we are all here at Yahoo already, I wouldn't have to worry about that part until a while later when the word gets out about the new site and there might be trouble with another hacker attempt. The 'bots' can't get in because of the 'prove you're a human' step before posting your first ten messages. A bit of a pain, but it'll pass.

I successfully captured the board here. Not terribly current, but I was practicing.  It is a bit of a headache, and I cannot figure a way to import it directly to the SMF database. It's just not compatible. The support forum on SMF is helpful in suggesting a couple of work arounds, but the way Yahoo appends the message strings makes it difficult to figure a method to get it into a database, or spreadsheet for that matter. I know why they use that method (it's incredibly space efficient) but it makes indexing pretty tough.

Having said that, I have all the messages through December 20th captured and in a database structure. I can send that to anyone who would like to see if they could deconstruct it and make it work in MySQL.
It wouldn't be out of the question to set up an entire sub-board with a separate database that we could link to.

Now... I did get to make searchable web pages and a single PDF file with all the captured messages. I posted links to them on the new board.  It is possible now to have a full, searchable .pdf in your hands. It is a huge file so I would not advise deciding to print it out for reference :)

And to clarify, IF there is a donation option, it should go to whoever is incurring hosting costs and paying for the domain, bandwidth and and any 'in app' purchase to enhance functionality. At this moment that's me (our board is not affiliated with SMF at all, except that we are using their open source software and they get to keep their logo on it). 
I'm into this for about $50 total right now and my time.  Other than that, the hosting is free, the bandwidth is free, the email is free; all part of my existing plan.  Once (if) the board gets huge and starts seeing a lot of traffic I may have to notch up the plan and only then would the "donate here" button pop up.  In the long term, I would set up an account to receive money, and have the ISP draw from it. 

Gary W.
SM 209 "Adagio"
BVI 





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Gary Wells
 

Hi Graham, If we go to the new board, it is a completely autonomous system so there will be no connectivity to Yahoo at all. A new registration altogether. The good thing is that the user names are not all taken up :)


Alain,  thanks for the kudos.  The board is quick right now because it's empty :)  I do not have a second validation level in place yet, which would be "Admin Approval" meaning I would have to validate each request. I think since we are all here at Yahoo already, I wouldn't have to worry about that part until a while later when the word gets out about the new site and there might be trouble with another hacker attempt. The 'bots' can't get in because of the 'prove you're a human' step before posting your first ten messages. A bit of a pain, but it'll pass.

I successfully captured the board here. Not terribly current, but I was practicing.  It is a bit of a headache, and I cannot figure a way to import it directly to the SMF database. It's just not compatible. The support forum on SMF is helpful in suggesting a couple of work arounds, but the way Yahoo appends the message strings makes it difficult to figure a method to get it into a database, or spreadsheet for that matter. I know why they use that method (it's incredibly space efficient) but it makes indexing pretty tough.

Having said that, I have all the messages through December 20th captured and in a database structure. I can send that to anyone who would like to see if they could deconstruct it and make it work in MySQL.
It wouldn't be out of the question to set up an entire sub-board with a separate database that we could link to.

Now... I did get to make searchable web pages and a single PDF file with all the captured messages. I posted links to them on the new board.  It is possible now to have a full, searchable .pdf in your hands. It is a huge file so I would not advise deciding to print it out for reference :)

And to clarify, IF there is a donation option, it should go to whoever is incurring hosting costs and paying for the domain, bandwidth and and any 'in app' purchase to enhance functionality. At this moment that's me (our board is not affiliated with SMF at all, except that we are using their open source software and they get to keep their logo on it). 
I'm into this for about $50 total right now and my time.  Other than that, the hosting is free, the bandwidth is free, the email is free; all part of my existing plan.  Once (if) the board gets huge and starts seeing a lot of traffic I may have to notch up the plan and only then would the "donate here" button pop up.  In the long term, I would set up an account to receive money, and have the ISP draw from it. 

Gary W.
SM 209 "Adagio"
BVI 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Graham Cresswell <grahamjcresswell@...>
 

Gary,

Do I make a completely new registration or do I use the username and password that I use for Yahoo groups?

Regards

Graham
M240 "Jamesby"


On 06/01/2016 00:17, gary@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

www dot amelowners dot net  ... it's a proof of concept right now.  If it comes to pass that 


a) folks like the new format
b) I can figure out how to transfer data from the old to the new format
c) I can find a couple of helpers to moderate the board

then I think we should consider wandering over to this kind of forum.

Gary W.
SM 209 "Adagio"




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Combination anchor tri color light

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Mark,
Yes, I've seen that too, but I'm sure the Manufacturer's specification of 10 to 28 volts is correct and the resellers have mistakenly posted it as 12 v through lack of familiarity with the product. 

I noticed a couple of resellers even copied the manufacturer's spec of 10-28v onto their sites and then added their own incorrect spec of 12v.

If you're uncomfortable with the info just contact Meghan Matthews, the owner of OGM, through the website. 

I used no voltage stabilizer (the SN is 12v, so transformer not an issue).   

Cheers,
Craig Briggs


---In amelyachtowners@..., <mcerdos@...> wrote :

Craig,
Thanks for this referral. I had looked at these but was unsure about the voltage. On the resellers sites it list voltage specs as 9-16 vdc.

On the OGM website it lists voltage specs as 10-28 vdc. Did you use a step down transformer or voltage stabilizer for your 24v installation?

With best regards,
Mark
Super Maramu 2000 Hull #275 
www.creampuff.us  Currently cruising: Green Turtle Cay – Abaco Islands - Bahamas


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 9:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Combination anchor tri color light
---In amelyachtowners@..., <mcerdos@...> wrote :

.....So at this point, I am looking at anything but Aquasignal.

If you research a replacement unit and find something worthwhile, please post.

With best regards,
Mark
___________________________________________________

Mark and others - I'd highly recommend the OGM (Orca Green Marine) line. The intensity and frequency of the light make its visibility fantastic.

We've got the TriColor/Anchor/Strobe/Photodiode (automatic anchor on-at-dusk off-at-dawn) combination model LXTA-SP. It's designed for 10 to 28 volts, (no DC voltage regulator needed) and draws only 0.33 amps at 12v (that's 0.16 at 24v on a SM.)

They list for $419US ($399 without the photodiode, but you'll want the photodiode) and you need their $49 switch and $40 bracket. Website is orcagreen dot com and they sell through the usual channels (West Marine, Defender's, etc.)

Installation is easy. Simply drill and tap (or thru-bolt) the bracket to the mast head plate, splice the supplied connector to the existing wires (using the +'s from the anchor and tricolor circuits and a -) and plug it in. The switch easily fits next to the existing panel.

Company is small and was very responsive after our first one was fried by lightning. Understandably no guarantee for that but company owner Meghan Matthews gave me a good discount on a replacement.

Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Changes to Yahoo

alainfeuillet@...
 

All right Gary,
I re-registered very easily. I received a validation email in the next 30 seconds. Excellent performance. One safety question: did it come so rapidly after a verification/comparison with a list of known adresses, because you were on line or because there was no verification?

For messages transfer did you have a look to the link http://www.groupfetch.com/products/ydl/index.php ? it seems to be able to change the YAHOO format because it claims being able to deliver the download messages under Outook and Thunderbird format. If you wish I can make a trial.
Also the SMF team may adress this certainly frequent question ... if they answer. God test about support.

If you need any kind of help just ask.

For donation, I understand you suggest to donate to SMF, correct? If so, it may be interesting to open a thread called eg "SMF donation", where we can record as we donate in order to have knowledge about the group position versus donation... or any other kind of light info system reaching this target.

Cheers
Alain (PILGRIM)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Copper Tube - Holding Tank

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Will,

 

JBWeld is awesome stuff. I have plenty aboard. On our previous boat, I fixed the same scenario with JBWeld and it lasted for 10 + years. Unfortunately, the crack in the tube is at the top and if I use JBWeld I think it may bond the copper to the bottom of the holding tank with it.

 

I found on the forum where Ian had resolved the same issue. I am hoping he can chime in from his experience.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Yacht: Cream Puff

 

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 6:33 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Copper Tube - Holding Tank

 

 

Mark,
Evidently the previous owner of my boat removed the copper pipe and installed flexible (yellow in color) in both heads. It looks like he might have left enough copper to fit the hose and hose clamp it! The flex pipe connects right at the bottom of the funnel that drains the holding tank. The funnel and inlet look to be fiberglass. I can send you a few photos if they would be helpful. FYI, I once did a quick repair on a sink drain which was copper with JBWeld intending to replace the pipe when the quick fix failed 8 years later the JBWeld is still holding!

Will Stout
Anni Bea True
SM180
St Martin, FWI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Copper Tube - Holding Tank

tango708@...
 

Mark,
Evidently the previous owner of my boat removed the copper pipe and installed flexible (yellow in color) in both heads. It looks like he might have left enough copper to fit the hose and hose clamp it! The flex pipe connects right at the bottom of the funnel that drains the holding tank. The funnel and inlet look to be fiberglass. I can send you a few photos if they would be helpful. FYI, I once did a quick repair on a sink drain which was copper with JBWeld intending to replace the pipe when the quick fix failed 8 years later the JBWeld is still holding!

Will Stout
Anni Bea True
SM180
St Martin, FWI


Re: Combination anchor tri color light

tango708@...
 

Thank you , Miles!


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Copper Tube - Holding Tank

Mark Erdos
 

Have you thought about removing the aft tank altogether?  “

 

I would prefer to fix the tank I have, if at all possible

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Green Turtle Cay – Abaco Islands - Bahamas

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 11:36 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Copper Tube - Holding Tank

 

 

Hello Mark,

 

I had a Vetus tank fitted to the forward WC only… my old girl did not have one!

 

BUT, I made sure all connections are flexible… to prevent what has happened to you.

 

Have you thought about removing the aft tank altogether?  

 

Good luck.

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain,

SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007

 

 

On 7 Jan 2016, at 17:23, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Oh, the joys of boat ownership…

 

I have a leak in the aft holding tank. The copper tube on the inlet side of the tank has a crack. Phew! I see where others have had a similar issue but don’t see the solution posted.

 

I have a couple of questions before I dive into this:

 

1)      How is the copper tube fastened to the tank? I do not see threads.

2)      What is the best way to remove the copper tube?

3)      What size tube do I need to replace this?

4)      What is the best way to insert and waterproof the replacement tube?

5)      I think something non-metallic might be a better material choice. Any suggestions?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

Currently cruising:  Green Turtle Cay – Abaco Islands - Bahamas

 

 

 

 


Re: Combination anchor tri color light

Miles
 

Hi Will,

 

Four years ago I replaced my original mast-head light with a Signal Mate Tri-color and anchor light.  It has a two mile visibility  (much brighter than the original) and has worked flawlessly.  To install the new light, I removed the original light that sat in a fixed ring and had a plastic ring fabricated to fit inside of the fixed ring.  The plastic ring  was made to have an inside diameter that is just big enough to hold the new light.  I glued the new ring inside of the old ring,  connected the wires,  and inserted the new light with lots of silicone sealer.    The new light also uses almost no electricity.  It is a joy to be able to have the lights on all night without running down the batteries.

 

Miles  SM 216  Ladybug

On the hard in Newport, RI and wishing for the tropics.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Combination anchor tri color light

Mark Erdos
 

Craig,



Thanks for this referral. I had looked at these but was unsure about the voltage. On the resellers sites it list voltage specs as 9-16 vdc.

On the OGM website it lists voltage specs as 10-28 vdc. Did you use a step down transformer or voltage stabilizer for your 24v installation?







With best regards,



Mark



Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising: Green Turtle Cay – Abaco Islands - Bahamas



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 9:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Combination anchor tri color light





---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, <mcerdos@...> wrote :

.....So at this point, I am looking at anything but Aquasignal.

If you research a replacement unit and find something worthwhile, please post.

With best regards,

Mark

___________________________________________________

Mark and others - I'd highly recommend the OGM (Orca Green Marine) line. The intensity and frequency of the light make its visibility fantastic.

We've got the TriColor/Anchor/Strobe/Photodiode (automatic anchor on-at-dusk off-at-dawn) combination model LXTA-SP. It's designed for 10 to 28 volts, (no DC voltage regulator needed) and draws only 0.33 amps at 12v (that's 0.16 at 24v on a SM.)

They list for $419US ($399 without the photodiode, but you'll want the photodiode) and you need their $49 switch and $40 bracket. Website is orcagreen dot com and they sell through the usual channels (West Marine, Defender's, etc.)

Installation is easy. Simply drill and tap (or thru-bolt) the bracket to the mast head plate, splice the supplied connector to the existing wires (using the +'s from the anchor and tricolor circuits and a -) and plug it in. The switch easily fits next to the existing panel.

Company is small and was very responsive after our first one was fried by lightning. Understandably no guarantee for that but company owner Meghan Matthews gave me a good discount on a replacement.

Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris









[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Copper Tube - Holding Tank

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Mark,

I had a Vetus tank fitted to the forward WC only… my old girl did not have one!

BUT, I made sure all connections are flexible… to prevent what has happened to you.

Have you thought about removing the aft tank altogether?  

Good luck.


Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007


On 7 Jan 2016, at 17:23, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Oh, the joys of boat ownership…
 
I have a leak in the aft holding tank. The copper tube on the inlet side of the tank has a crack. Phew! I see where others have had a similar issue but don’t see the solution posted.
 
I have a couple of questions before I dive into this:
 
1)      How is the copper tube fastened to the tank? I do not see threads.
2)      What is the best way to remove the copper tube?
3)      What size tube do I need to replace this?
4)      What is the best way to insert and waterproof the replacement tube?
5)      I think something non-metallic might be a better material choice. Any suggestions?
 
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Super Maramu 2000
Hull #275
Currently cruising:  Green Turtle Cay – Abaco Islands - Bahamas
 




Leaking Copper Tube - Holding Tank

Mark Erdos
 

Oh, the joys of boat ownership…

 

I have a leak in the aft holding tank. The copper tube on the inlet side of the tank has a crack. Phew! I see where others have had a similar issue but don’t see the solution posted.

 

I have a couple of questions before I dive into this:

 

1)      How is the copper tube fastened to the tank? I do not see threads.

2)      What is the best way to remove the copper tube?

3)      What size tube do I need to replace this?

4)      What is the best way to insert and waterproof the replacement tube?

5)      I think something non-metallic might be a better material choice. Any suggestions?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Green Turtle Cay – Abaco Islands - Bahamas

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Combination anchor tri color light

Craig Briggs
 

---In amelyachtowners@..., <mcerdos@...> wrote :

.....So at this point, I am looking at anything but Aquasignal.

  If you research a replacement unit and find something worthwhile, please post.

  With best regards,

  Mark

___________________________________________________

  Mark and others - I'd highly recommend the OGM (Orca Green Marine) line.  The intensity and frequency of the light make its visibility fantastic.  

  We've got the TriColor/Anchor/Strobe/Photodiode (automatic anchor on-at-dusk off-at-dawn) combination model LXTA-SP. It's designed for 10 to 28 volts, (no DC voltage regulator needed) and draws only 0.33 amps at 12v (that's 0.16 at 24v on a SM.)

  They list for $419US ($399 without the photodiode, but you'll want the photodiode) and you need their $49 switch and $40 bracket. Website is orcagreen dot com and they sell through the usual channels (West Marine, Defender's, etc.)

  Installation is easy. Simply drill and tap (or thru-bolt) the bracket to the mast head plate, splice the supplied connector to the existing wires (using the +'s from the anchor and tricolor circuits and a -) and plug it in. The switch easily fits next to the existing panel.

  Company is small and was very responsive after our first one was fried by lightning. Understandably no guarantee for that but company owner Meghan Matthews gave me a good discount on a replacement.

Cheers,  Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris

  



Re: Changes to Yahoo

Gary Wells
 

Alain, Thanks so much.  I'll take it to the other board. The way I am starting to understand it the Yahoo format is basically "BLOB", hence the stringed message and reply setup.  I believe, and have been reading, that this format might not be transferable to a tabled database. By appending the reply to the previous message there's no way do deconstruct the subsequent messages automatically.  Workarounds include searchable documents, searchable 'out-of-forum' pages linked from the forum but still on the site. 
I did capture some 19,400 messages from this group using a program called PG Offline.  I also captured all the photos and files and am working on batch uploads but haven't mastered the retention of folders in the gallery (yet).  There's not much of a learning curve; more like a vertical line :)  

I turned on e-mail verification for the registration process. Let me know how that goes as there were several settings for using an internal vs. external email handler.  

Gary W. 
SM 209 "Adagio"
Fighting my first head cold all year :)





Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups

Alejandro Paquin
 

Gary,
Many thanks for your efforts in putting together this project. I hope it will be successful, long lived and useful to all Amel owners. Let us know how we can contribute to materialize the working version.
Best wishes for 2016,

Alex Paquin
s/v SIMPATICO
Older Maramu #94, 1981

N 10º 37´16.31”

W 66º 44´47.84”

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine RPM vs Boat speed for Amel-Super-Maramu 2000

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Kent,

Less than 5000 hours and the turbo was changed in 2012 and 2015…
The exhaust elbow as well…

Personally I don’t understand the logic in putting a turbo on a sailing vessel… wish I had a normally aspirated engine…

I am sure the issue is the same as what you had. Also (the boat) being overweight doesn’t help…

Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 1/6/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine RPM vs Boat speed for Amel-Super-Maramu 2000
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2016, 7:20 PM


 









I'd like to see what kind of rpm you
would get, Alex.  Hope we get to try it some
time.
I think you will
still have carbon buildup in your turbo and exhaust elbow if
2400 is your max rpm.  Running at 40-50% of max rpm most of
the time isn't what your diesel likes.  My Yanmar info
says maximum efficiency is 3/4 of the maximum predicted
rpm.
How many hours on
your engine now?  If still fairly low and you've had to
replace the turbo, that's probably why.
Kent
On Jan 6, 2016, at 6:34 PM, Alexandre Uster von
Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






Good evening Kent,



I remember reading your writing about the oversize prop…
When last winter I was in Fort Lauderdale for repair and
maintenance, had new turbo installed, antifouling, auto prop
prop rebuild, etc. and still 2400 rpm.

I unfortunately run out of time to try to put the fix prop,
etc. but I still have all your writing.



But personally I am fine with the situation and mostly motor
at 1600 rpm. I only use the engine when there is not enough
wind to sail (less than 10 kt apparent).

Once in a while I run for a few minutes at 90% of power to
help clearing the exhaust, meaning that I increase the
throttle as long as the rpm increase, when they stop
increasing, I then was a little on the throttle to see a 100
decrease on the rpm, this way, I know I am not putting
unnecessary stress on the engine.



Therefore, if/when we met, I would like to take your offer
on borrowing the prop!

Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Blue Haven Marina



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 1/6/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine RPM vs Boat speed
for Amel-Super-Maramu 2000

To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2016, 1:52 PM





 



















Alex,Here's my take on low

rpm.  This is a chronic problem for many SMs powered

with ~75HP engines.After I spent thousands

of $ on mechanics, new turbo, testing fuel pump and

injectors, compression check, timing checked (the only
thing

I didn't do was service the AutoProp)...., I got the

serial number off of the Autoprop and called Bruntons.

 They said it was the prop they recommend for the SM with
a

100HP Yanmar.A good prop shop in Norfolk tested

my spare fixed prop and said it was also over sized and
over

pitched for my boat with 78 HP Volvo.

With maximum rpm of

2400...Try putting your spare fixed prop on and

see what you get.  If still inadequate rpm, have the
spare

prop size/pitch tested and compared against what is

calculated/recommended for your boat/engine.

If there's nothing wrong with

the engine, the bottom and prop are clean, and the prop
has

been recently serviced, there is likely to be a buildup
of

carbon in your turbo that needs to be addressed.
 (Removed

and cleaned regularly.)  If it is left unaddressed, it
will

eventually need to be replaced, at significant

cost.

If all

indications are that you are over-propped, consider trying
a

prop that is pitched for your boat/load/engine per

calculations by a good prop shop.  When I had the same

problem with my 78hp Volvo, I finally had my spare fixed

prop repitched, and got 3200 rpm under load.

I know many Amel owners are

skeptical about this, believing that there is still

something else going on that is responsible for your low

rpm.  I'm convinced that my original AutoProp and
spare

fixed prop were not matched to my boat with 78HP Volvo

TMD22.  It resulted in replacing the turbo twice in
less

than 5000 engine hours, and may have been a contributing

factor in the eventual cracked block that killed the
engine

for good.

I still have

the spare prop that was cut down and repitched according
to

prop shop calculations if you would like to try it.

 I'd be happy to let you borrow it if we can find a

time/place to do it.  It is now under propped for my
new

110HO Yanmar, so if you (or anyone else) wants to buy it
at

a good price, I'll be happy to ship it to

you.

Steady as she

goes,KentSM243Kristy
On Jan 6, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Alexandre Uster von

Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:

































 













Hello Eric







No, no, I wish.



2400 rpm is the maximum ( auto prop rebuild and recent

antifouling).







The specification of the Volvo TMD 22 P says 78 HP at
4500

rpm.



I can post the info if interested.







Sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Blue Haven Marina, Turks & Caicos







--------------------------------------------



On Wed, 1/6/16, sailormon kimberlite@optonline.net

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:







Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine RPM vs Boat
speed

for Amel-Super-Maramu 2000



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2016, 7:31 AM











 







































Alexandre



,Your Volvo will go to



4500 rpm??Fair



WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super



Maramu #376  



 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]





Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 8:28



AM



To:



amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine



RPM vs Boat speed for Amel-Super-Maramu



2000    My boat was definitely fully



loaded too...







If you look



at the specs, the Volvo TMS 22 P is rated for 78 HP,
but



only if you reach 4500 rpm... which we can't....



So at 1500 rpm it is about 30 HP, at 1800 rpm



40 hp.







Sincerely,



Alexandre







--------------------------------------------



On Wed, 1/6/16, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@gmail.com



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:







Subject: Re: [Amel



Yacht Owners] Engine RPM vs Boat speed for

Amel-Super-Maramu



2000



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2016, 7:15 AM











 







































How many HP in your engine?







My boat was fully loaded.



On Jan 6, 2016 7:32



AM,



"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com



[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:































































 







































Good morning



Vladimir,







My speeds were



similar, using the Volvo TMD 22.















1400 rpm 4.5



kt







1600 rpm: 5 kt







1800 rpm 5.5 kt















Sincerely, Alexandre







SM2K #289 NIKIMAT







Blue Haven Marina, Turks & Caicos



Islands















--------------------------------------------







On Wed, 1/6/16, Vladimir



Sonsev sonsev52@gmail.com



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:















Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners]



Engine RPM vs Boat speed for



Amel-Super-Maramu 2000







To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com







Date: Wednesday, January 6,



2016, 5:29 AM























 















































































I bought my



boat several months







ago.



Boat was made in 2002, she has 75 HP Yanmar engine.















I decide to establish my boat performance



characteristic.



I







tested boat speed at three different engine



RPM. My test







results are as



follows:







Engine



RPM           Boat speed in







KN
















1500.                                 







4.7
















2000.                                 







6.3
















2500.                                 







7.5







Boat speed test minimised current or wind







effects. The speed was taking



from GPS at maximum stable







speed.















I wonder if those results are



as good as expected or not.



Do







we have any similar data from



Amel?







Vladimir Sonsev















S/V Life is Good















MS345







































































































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups

Stephen Davis
 

Thanks again for all the hard work on the new Forum. We really like the functionality, and look forward to the day when all the data is ported over. 

FYI...Rascal and us are anchored on the north side of St John, and will be in your neighborhood within a week or so. 

Steve and Liz
Aloha SM72
St John, USVI


On Dec 12, 2015, at 10:27, Gary Wells gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks all for the ideas and comments.  I snagged the domain names 'amelowners.net'  and '.org'  and stuck a placeholder page on the web. 

Just wanted to clarify a couple of things to maybe allay worries.
Switching to a volunteer,  user supported forum has been very successful for many years with lots of interest groups.  Longevity is assured by the members and not an impersonal company.
Subscriptions should never be necessary.  The costs are actually quite small at this point and if one makes a PayPal donation every year or so,  the board will be sustained with any overages held for upgrades or lean years.

Without diving in to specifics,  organizing data is what these boards do.  Most user groups have the same desires to catalog,  organize,  search, post pictures,  albums,  videos,  links and to message,  discuss and have fun on a personalized forum as we do.  Private messaging will rock as well.

My project list is high right now,  starting with the forward air conditioner and working clear back to the bumper.  IF I weren't taking two weeks off to fly to Colorado for Christmas I would not be able to put up an 'alpha'  but I think being off the boat will give me some good geek time.

Andrew,  or anyone else willing to plug a couple (few)  hours into admin and dev please email me: gary at svadagio dot us.

I must say that I am very much considering this as fun.  There's not much more I can say about that part.  Just something I like to do.

OK,  now about that leaky head pump....   :)

Gary W
SM 209 "Adagio"


Fro my DL750 Digicel