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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fuel shut-off valves?

Ian Park
 

For Santorin owners, when I first bought the boat I had the shut off valve closed (by accident). The engine stopped after 3 minutes, in the middle of a marina! So it works ok on our model!

Ian. Ocean Hobo SN96

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Facebook Group

Ian Park
 

I have joined the new site. Looks good. It is under 'our' control (thanks to the folk who did all that work I could never do!).
The point was that Yahoo might pull the rug. We can't control Facebook and they too could pull the rug.

On a personal note I used to know my way round Facebook, but after so many 'updates' I can't keep up with the changes.

It would be good to 'own' any changes.

Will continue to watch Yahoo and our new site until a decision is required.

PS. I looked for you Bill on Marin last week but you may have been elsewhere in Martinique. I'm in Guadaloupe now leaving tomorrow for Antigua. Sorry I couldn't shake your hand!

Ian 'Ocean Hobo' SN96

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Colin,
Two years ago I replaced the original 12v batteries with 6V AGMs same physical size, wired in three parallel sets of 4 in series.
Most Battery manufacturers recommend to have no more than three parallel sets.
With the 12 volt batteries in pairs, there are 4 parallel sets. 
They are working very well...and AGMs being completely sealed, no possibility of acid leaks.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Colin.  The simplest possible reason. A previous owner went that way. Also the battery area is neatly filled with the 12 six volts and again the previous owner had installed two starting batteries in the aft of the engine room.  Seemed a good set up to me
Cheers
Danny
Sm 299 Ocean pearl ń


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-------- Original message --------
From: "Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:26/02/2016 02:11 (GMT+12:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Thank you all for the responses received thus far. From what has been said
till now it certainly looks like there is wisdom in staying with the
traditional flooded battery solution in a good brand such as Trojan or
Lifeline. I have spent some time looking at the Trojan site which has good
information on it, thanks Jonas.

The question now is 12v vs 6v individual batteries? I am interested to hear
about the benefits of going 6v rather than the original 12v? Danny and
Jonas what was the reason for you both deciding on 6v?

Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
> We have had AGM high performance batteries, first time the bank was based
> on 12v AGMs best available at the time 2007. Second attempt to the AGMs w


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Nat Bossett
 

I recently replaced a set of 12V wet cells. The wet cells lived a good,
long life so no complaints.

I replaced them with 12V Trojan AGM's (8D size) a few months ago- working
great so far but I haven't spent more than a day or two off the grid yet.

Next time will probably be Lithium to take advantage of the better final
charge stage characteristics and lack of need to put heavy amps into them
to top them off periodically. I have a few hundred watts of solar but no
wind power.

-Nathan

Maramu #29


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Very easy, the golf cart 6V batteries are heavy duty batteries designed for high loads and high output during a long time. Which is a good description of the load on a Super Maramu.

/Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila
SM 232, 1998

Skickat från min iPad

25 feb. 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Thank you all for the responses received thus far. From what has been said till now it certainly looks like there is wisdom in staying with the traditional flooded battery solution in a good brand such as Trojan or Lifeline. I have spent some time looking at the Trojan site which has good information on it, thanks Jonas.

The question now is 12v vs 6v individual batteries? I am interested to hear about the benefits of going 6v rather than the original 12v? Danny and Jonas what was the reason for you both deciding on 6v? 

Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,
We have had AGM high performance batteries, first time the bank was based on 12v AGMs best available at the time 2007. Second attempt to the AGMs was with high performance Golf Cart batteries, 6v. Problems with both attempts was that they aged fast even if they were less than twice bellow 25v. Both sets has been very expensive and the chargers had been set to charge AGM which is a different charge program.
Last change was done 2015, January, when we decided to go back to standard Trojan Golf Cart Led Acid batteries, 6v. They have behave extremly well since and despite that decreased AH with 70 we today have better battery capacity than ever. This taking of the input we have from solar panels and Wind Generator.

The struggle you have to live with is an investment that is far cheaper than AGMs and you have to check the water level every fourth week.

Problems with the Lithium technology is that the demand on the charger unit and additional control units are very high to prevent that temperature on the batteries are going to high. Quality seems also still be a problem.

Talking to sales people is one thing, living with the solution is another. We do have a low current draft on our boat despite having two fridges and one freezer running at all time which make the decision rather easy. We have a 8+1 battery box solution, if you have the twelfe battery box solution you are well of. 
Take a look at the Trojan site at check for their allowed limits on individual batteries,, use that as a quality check regardless of choice of battery type and battery producer.

Jonas on,

Lady Annila, SM #232

Skickat från min iPad

25 feb. 2016 kl. 08:30 skrev Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

So far that is 2 out of 2 replies for 6v lead acid - interesting ... as I we had heard that a lot of folk have been going back to lead acid now ahead of Gel & AGM.

Will be most interesting to see how this changes as more people respond and what voltage they set their solar/wind controllers to for each type? There have been some conversations on this in the past but interested to get an update as technology has moved on plus if any one has gone to lithium and what their experiences are?

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane


On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 4:24 PM, simms simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Colin
We fitted 12 6 volt lead acid golf cart type batteries from west marine in the us in July 2009. Still going well.
We have a 350 watt super wind generator and two 130watt solar panels.
Cheers
Danny
Sm 299 Ocean pearl 



Sent from Samsung Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:25/02/2016 17:51 (GMT+12:00)
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

 

Our 8 house batteries (2001 SM)  have packed in hence time to replace them all. Before going ahead and purchasing new ones this week we would be most interested in finding out what type other Amel Owners are using for house batteries? Are you using Lead Acid / Gel / AGM / Lithium / Other?


Also what charge voltage are your Solar/wind generators (if you have these)  putting into the various types of batteries?


Thanks in advance


Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel53 #332

Brisbane, Australia




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445




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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Bill,

Thanks for that. I meant to include in my post that the cell-failure situation has favorable issues for a 6VDC as compared to a 12VDC battery because the 6VDC has half the cells.

I have found that a short in a single cell usually goes unnoticed by owners of big battery banks until a lot of damage is done. I am a big believer in monthly battery checks. I have mentioned here before that when we purchased 12 new group 31 freedom batteries I had two new batteries delivered, each with one bad cell. I tested them on the dock before they were brought on the boat and refused them at the time of delivery. I wonder if they were delivered to an unsuspecting customer at a later date.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Some thoughts on the advantages of 6 volt batteries, not things you can easily put into your spreadsheet however!


When planning a new installation, 6 volt batteries are available in bigger sizes, cheaper, than 12 volts. The really big 6 volt Trojans are made for golf carts and forklifts.  Their large production volume keeps the cost down, so the cost per amp-hour can be lower.  One good reason to split them into 6 volt pieces is that a 200 amp-hour 12 volt battery would weigh 220 lbs, it is a lot easier to split this into two 6 volt units of 110 lbs.  In fact, if you are buying REALLY big batteries, say for a big solar power installation, you buy them as individual 2 volt cells.  When fitting batteries into an existing installation alike an Amel, this isn’t a help because those really big batteries 6 volt batteries that are very economical on an Amp-hour basis don’t fit!

A large bank made with 6 volt batteries will have half the total number of 2 volt cells as a similar bank of 12 volt batteries.  A common failure mode is a single shorted cell which can quickly kill the whole bank.  So, IN THEORY, this is half as likely to happen to a 6 volt bank in any given time frame. 

In the final analysis between 6 and 12 volt installations it is the cost per amp hour for capacity, not really any technical distinction since the technology of the insides are identical.

Bill Kinney



On Feb 25, 2016, at 08:46, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Colin,

Too bad you cannot ask Henri Amel why he did not go with 6VDC batteries. 

I am not an expert by any means, but I always try to stick with the original solutions on a SM because I know the people that made these original selections made them with far more knowledge than I will ever have.

What 6VDC users tell me:
 I have quizzed several 6VDC battery users and have not gotten very much from them in terms of specifics...nothing that I could put is a spreadsheet to compare 6VDC to 12VDC batteries. All I ever get is non-analytical comments, like WalMart has them really cheap, or I just know they are better, or everyone on Cruisers Forum recommends them.

My Unlearned Opinion:
Since the flooded 6VDC is made up of three 2VDC cells and the flooded 12VDC is made up of six 2VDC cells, I believe they are essentially the same. One might think that the advantage my be cost, but since cost is normally directly proportional to raw material costs, labor and overhead; and the amount of raw material (lead or lead calcium) really makes a difference, I really wonder??? Coupled with the fact that machine time, labor time, and overhead should be about the same in manufacturing a 12VDC battery or a 6VDC battery, it is reasonable to assume that you should be able to get more volts and amps for your money with a 12VDC battery. Possibly 6VDC batteries are manufactured for weight and size considerations...and possibly there are 6VDC boat users who made the choice based on what I believe to be a "boater's myth," which is actively defended at places like Cruisers Forum. I guess I have too much experience in manufacturing to have a completely open mind!

Let us all know how your research goes. I am certainly one of the prejudiced people on this subject.

Bill
BeBe 387 



On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thank you all for the responses received thus far. From what has been said till now it certainly looks like there is wisdom in staying with the traditional flooded battery solution in a good brand such as Trojan or Lifeline. I have spent some time looking at the Trojan site which has good information on it, thanks Jonas.

The question now is 12v vs 6v individual batteries? I am interested to hear about the benefits of going 6v rather than the original 12v? Danny and Jonas what was the reason for you both deciding on 6v? 

Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,
We have had AGM high performance batteries, first time the bank was based on 12v AGMs best available at the time 2007. Second attempt to the AGMs was with high performance Golf Cart batteries, 6v. Problems with both attempts was that they aged fast even if they were less than twice bellow 25v. Both sets has been very expensive and the chargers had been set to charge AGM which is a different charge program.
Last change was done 2015, January, when we decided to go back to standard Trojan Golf Cart Led Acid batteries, 6v. They have behave extremly well since and despite that decreased AH with 70 we today have better battery capacity than ever. This taking of the input we have from solar panels and Wind Generator.

The struggle you have to live with is an investment that is far cheaper than AGMs and you have to check the water level every fourth week.

Problems with the Lithium technology is that the demand on the charger unit and additional control units are very high to prevent that temperature on the batteries are going to high. Quality seems also still be a problem.

Talking to sales people is one thing, living with the solution is another. We do have a low current draft on our boat despite having two fridges and one freezer running at all time which make the decision rather easy. We have a 8+1 battery box solution, if you have the twelfe battery box solution you are well of. 
Take a look at the Trojan site at check for their allowed limits on individual batteries,, use that as a quality check regardless of choice of battery type and battery producer.

Jonas on,

Lady Annila, SM #232

Skickat från min iPad

25 feb. 2016 kl. 08:30 skrev Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

So far that is 2 out of 2 replies for 6v lead acid - interesting ... as I we had heard that a lot of folk have been going back to lead acid now ahead of Gel & AGM.

Will be most interesting to see how this changes as more people respond and what voltage they set their solar/wind controllers to for each type? There have been some conversations on this in the past but interested to get an update as technology has moved on plus if any one has gone to lithium and what their experiences are?

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane


On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 4:24 PM, simms simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Colin
We fitted 12 6 volt lead acid golf cart type batteries from west marine in the us in July 2009. Still going well.
We have a 350 watt super wind generator and two 130watt solar panels.
Cheers
Danny
Sm 299 Ocean pearl 



Sent from Samsung Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]" 
Date:25/02/2016 17:51 (GMT+12:00) 
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use what voltage charge from Solar/Wind? 

 

Our 8 house batteries (2001 SM)  have packed in hence time to replace them all. Before going ahead and purchasing new ones this week we would be most interested in finding out what type other Amel Owners are using for house batteries? Are you using Lead Acid / Gel / AGM / Lithium / Other?


Also what charge voltage are your Solar/wind generators (if you have these)  putting into the various types of batteries?


Thanks in advance


Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel53 #332

Brisbane, Australia






-- 
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445





-- 
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Some thoughts on the advantages of 6 volt batteries, not things you can easily put into your spreadsheet however!

When planning a new installation, 6 volt batteries are available in bigger sizes, cheaper, than 12 volts. The really big 6 volt Trojans are made for golf carts and forklifts.  Their large production volume keeps the cost down, so the cost per amp-hour can be lower.  One good reason to split them into 6 volt pieces is that a 200 amp-hour 12 volt battery would weigh 220 lbs, it is a lot easier to split this into two 6 volt units of 110 lbs.  In fact, if you are buying REALLY big batteries, say for a big solar power installation, you buy them as individual 2 volt cells.  When fitting batteries into an existing installation alike an Amel, this isn’t a help because those really big batteries 6 volt batteries that are very economical on an Amp-hour basis don’t fit!

A large bank made with 6 volt batteries will have half the total number of 2 volt cells as a similar bank of 12 volt batteries.  A common failure mode is a single shorted cell which can quickly kill the whole bank.  So, IN THEORY, this is half as likely to happen to a 6 volt bank in any given time frame. 

In the final analysis between 6 and 12 volt installations it is the cost per amp hour for capacity, not really any technical distinction since the technology of the insides are identical.

Bill Kinney



On Feb 25, 2016, at 08:46, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Colin,

Too bad you cannot ask Henri Amel why he did not go with 6VDC batteries. 

I am not an expert by any means, but I always try to stick with the original solutions on a SM because I know the people that made these original selections made them with far more knowledge than I will ever have.

What 6VDC users tell me:
 I have quizzed several 6VDC battery users and have not gotten very much from them in terms of specifics...nothing that I could put is a spreadsheet to compare 6VDC to 12VDC batteries. All I ever get is non-analytical comments, like WalMart has them really cheap, or I just know they are better, or everyone on Cruisers Forum recommends them.

My Unlearned Opinion:
Since the flooded 6VDC is made up of three 2VDC cells and the flooded 12VDC is made up of six 2VDC cells, I believe they are essentially the same. One might think that the advantage my be cost, but since cost is normally directly proportional to raw material costs, labor and overhead; and the amount of raw material (lead or lead calcium) really makes a difference, I really wonder??? Coupled with the fact that machine time, labor time, and overhead should be about the same in manufacturing a 12VDC battery or a 6VDC battery, it is reasonable to assume that you should be able to get more volts and amps for your money with a 12VDC battery. Possibly 6VDC batteries are manufactured for weight and size considerations...and possibly there are 6VDC boat users who made the choice based on what I believe to be a "boater's myth," which is actively defended at places like Cruisers Forum. I guess I have too much experience in manufacturing to have a completely open mind!

Let us all know how your research goes. I am certainly one of the prejudiced people on this subject.

Bill
BeBe 387 



On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thank you all for the responses received thus far. From what has been said till now it certainly looks like there is wisdom in staying with the traditional flooded battery solution in a good brand such as Trojan or Lifeline. I have spent some time looking at the Trojan site which has good information on it, thanks Jonas.

The question now is 12v vs 6v individual batteries? I am interested to hear about the benefits of going 6v rather than the original 12v? Danny and Jonas what was the reason for you both deciding on 6v? 

Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,
We have had AGM high performance batteries, first time the bank was based on 12v AGMs best available at the time 2007. Second attempt to the AGMs was with high performance Golf Cart batteries, 6v. Problems with both attempts was that they aged fast even if they were less than twice bellow 25v. Both sets has been very expensive and the chargers had been set to charge AGM which is a different charge program.
Last change was done 2015, January, when we decided to go back to standard Trojan Golf Cart Led Acid batteries, 6v. They have behave extremly well since and despite that decreased AH with 70 we today have better battery capacity than ever. This taking of the input we have from solar panels and Wind Generator.

The struggle you have to live with is an investment that is far cheaper than AGMs and you have to check the water level every fourth week.

Problems with the Lithium technology is that the demand on the charger unit and additional control units are very high to prevent that temperature on the batteries are going to high. Quality seems also still be a problem.

Talking to sales people is one thing, living with the solution is another. We do have a low current draft on our boat despite having two fridges and one freezer running at all time which make the decision rather easy. We have a 8+1 battery box solution, if you have the twelfe battery box solution you are well of. 
Take a look at the Trojan site at check for their allowed limits on individual batteries,, use that as a quality check regardless of choice of battery type and battery producer.

Jonas on,

Lady Annila, SM #232

Skickat från min iPad

25 feb. 2016 kl. 08:30 skrev Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

So far that is 2 out of 2 replies for 6v lead acid - interesting ... as I we had heard that a lot of folk have been going back to lead acid now ahead of Gel & AGM.

Will be most interesting to see how this changes as more people respond and what voltage they set their solar/wind controllers to for each type? There have been some conversations on this in the past but interested to get an update as technology has moved on plus if any one has gone to lithium and what their experiences are?

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane


On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 4:24 PM, simms simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Colin
We fitted 12 6 volt lead acid golf cart type batteries from west marine in the us in July 2009. Still going well.
We have a 350 watt super wind generator and two 130watt solar panels.
Cheers
Danny
Sm 299 Ocean pearl 



Sent from Samsung Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]" 
Date:25/02/2016 17:51 (GMT+12:00) 
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use what voltage charge from Solar/Wind? 

 

Our 8 house batteries (2001 SM)  have packed in hence time to replace them all. Before going ahead and purchasing new ones this week we would be most interested in finding out what type other Amel Owners are using for house batteries? Are you using Lead Acid / Gel / AGM / Lithium / Other?


Also what charge voltage are your Solar/wind generators (if you have these)  putting into the various types of batteries?


Thanks in advance


Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel53 #332

Brisbane, Australia






-- 
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445





-- 
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Hi one other issue in the event you have a issue with a size 31 12v finding a replacement for anything other then a wet cell flooded battery will be difficult at best. 

Regards
Capt Richard Piller

On Feb 25, 2016, at 08:46, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Colin,

Too bad you cannot ask Henri Amel why he did not go with 6VDC batteries. 

I am not an expert by any means, but I always try to stick with the original solutions on a SM because I know the people that made these original selections made them with far more knowledge than I will ever have.

What 6VDC users tell me:
 I have quizzed several 6VDC battery users and have not gotten very much from them in terms of specifics...nothing that I could put is a spreadsheet to compare 6VDC to 12VDC batteries. All I ever get is non-analytical comments, like WalMart has them really cheap, or I just know they are better, or everyone on Cruisers Forum recommends them.

My Unlearned Opinion:
Since the flooded 6VDC is made up of three 2VDC cells and the flooded 12VDC is made up of six 2VDC cells, I believe they are essentially the same. One might think that the advantage my be cost, but since cost is normally directly proportional to raw material costs, labor and overhead; and the amount of raw material (lead or lead calcium) really makes a difference, I really wonder??? Coupled with the fact that machine time, labor time, and overhead should be about the same in manufacturing a 12VDC battery or a 6VDC battery, it is reasonable to assume that you should be able to get more volts and amps for your money with a 12VDC battery. Possibly 6VDC batteries are manufactured for weight and size considerations...and possibly there are 6VDC boat users who made the choice based on what I believe to be a "boater's myth," which is actively defended at places like Cruisers Forum. I guess I have too much experience in manufacturing to have a completely open mind!

Let us all know how your research goes. I am certainly one of the prejudiced people on this subject.

Bill
BeBe 387 



On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thank you all for the responses received thus far. From what has been said till now it certainly looks like there is wisdom in staying with the traditional flooded battery solution in a good brand such as Trojan or Lifeline. I have spent some time looking at the Trojan site which has good information on it, thanks Jonas.

The question now is 12v vs 6v individual batteries? I am interested to hear about the benefits of going 6v rather than the original 12v? Danny and Jonas what was the reason for you both deciding on 6v? 

Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,
We have had AGM high performance batteries, first time the bank was based on 12v AGMs best available at the time 2007. Second attempt to the AGMs was with high performance Golf Cart batteries, 6v. Problems with both attempts was that they aged fast even if they were less than twice bellow 25v. Both sets has been very expensive and the chargers had been set to charge AGM which is a different charge program.
Last change was done 2015, January, when we decided to go back to standard Trojan Golf Cart Led Acid batteries, 6v. They have behave extremly well since and despite that decreased AH with 70 we today have better battery capacity than ever. This taking of the input we have from solar panels and Wind Generator.

The struggle you have to live with is an investment that is far cheaper than AGMs and you have to check the water level every fourth week.

Problems with the Lithium technology is that the demand on the charger unit and additional control units are very high to prevent that temperature on the batteries are going to high. Quality seems also still be a problem.

Talking to sales people is one thing, living with the solution is another. We do have a low current draft on our boat despite having two fridges and one freezer running at all time which make the decision rather easy. We have a 8+1 battery box solution, if you have the twelfe battery box solution you are well of. 
Take a look at the Trojan site at check for their allowed limits on individual batteries,, use that as a quality check regardless of choice of battery type and battery producer.

Jonas on,

Lady Annila, SM #232

Skickat från min iPad

25 feb. 2016 kl. 08:30 skrev Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

So far that is 2 out of 2 replies for 6v lead acid - interesting ... as I we had heard that a lot of folk have been going back to lead acid now ahead of Gel & AGM.

Will be most interesting to see how this changes as more people respond and what voltage they set their solar/wind controllers to for each type? There have been some conversations on this in the past but interested to get an update as technology has moved on plus if any one has gone to lithium and what their experiences are?

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane


On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 4:24 PM, simms simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Colin
We fitted 12 6 volt lead acid golf cart type batteries from west marine in the us in July 2009. Still going well.
We have a 350 watt super wind generator and two 130watt solar panels.
Cheers
Danny
Sm 299 Ocean pearl 



Sent from Samsung Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:25/02/2016 17:51 (GMT+12:00)
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

 

Our 8 house batteries (2001 SM)  have packed in hence time to replace them all. Before going ahead and purchasing new ones this week we would be most interested in finding out what type other Amel Owners are using for house batteries? Are you using Lead Acid / Gel / AGM / Lithium / Other?


Also what charge voltage are your Solar/wind generators (if you have these)  putting into the various types of batteries?


Thanks in advance


Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel53 #332

Brisbane, Australia




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Colin,

Too bad you cannot ask Henri Amel why he did not go with 6VDC batteries. 

I am not an expert by any means, but I always try to stick with the original solutions on a SM because I know the people that made these original selections made them with far more knowledge than I will ever have.

What 6VDC users tell me:
 I have quizzed several 6VDC battery users and have not gotten very much from them in terms of specifics...nothing that I could put is a spreadsheet to compare 6VDC to 12VDC batteries. All I ever get is non-analytical comments, like WalMart has them really cheap, or I just know they are better, or everyone on Cruisers Forum recommends them.

My Unlearned Opinion:
Since the flooded 6VDC is made up of three 2VDC cells and the flooded 12VDC is made up of six 2VDC cells, I believe they are essentially the same. One might think that the advantage my be cost, but since cost is normally directly proportional to raw material costs, labor and overhead; and the amount of raw material (lead or lead calcium) really makes a difference, I really wonder??? Coupled with the fact that machine time, labor time, and overhead should be about the same in manufacturing a 12VDC battery or a 6VDC battery, it is reasonable to assume that you should be able to get more volts and amps for your money with a 12VDC battery. Possibly 6VDC batteries are manufactured for weight and size considerations...and possibly there are 6VDC boat users who made the choice based on what I believe to be a "boater's myth," which is actively defended at places like Cruisers Forum. I guess I have too much experience in manufacturing to have a completely open mind!

Let us all know how your research goes. I am certainly one of the prejudiced people on this subject.

Bill
BeBe 387 



On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thank you all for the responses received thus far. From what has been said till now it certainly looks like there is wisdom in staying with the traditional flooded battery solution in a good brand such as Trojan or Lifeline. I have spent some time looking at the Trojan site which has good information on it, thanks Jonas.

The question now is 12v vs 6v individual batteries? I am interested to hear about the benefits of going 6v rather than the original 12v? Danny and Jonas what was the reason for you both deciding on 6v? 

Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,
We have had AGM high performance batteries, first time the bank was based on 12v AGMs best available at the time 2007. Second attempt to the AGMs was with high performance Golf Cart batteries, 6v. Problems with both attempts was that they aged fast even if they were less than twice bellow 25v. Both sets has been very expensive and the chargers had been set to charge AGM which is a different charge program.
Last change was done 2015, January, when we decided to go back to standard Trojan Golf Cart Led Acid batteries, 6v. They have behave extremly well since and despite that decreased AH with 70 we today have better battery capacity than ever. This taking of the input we have from solar panels and Wind Generator.

The struggle you have to live with is an investment that is far cheaper than AGMs and you have to check the water level every fourth week.

Problems with the Lithium technology is that the demand on the charger unit and additional control units are very high to prevent that temperature on the batteries are going to high. Quality seems also still be a problem.

Talking to sales people is one thing, living with the solution is another. We do have a low current draft on our boat despite having two fridges and one freezer running at all time which make the decision rather easy. We have a 8+1 battery box solution, if you have the twelfe battery box solution you are well of. 
Take a look at the Trojan site at check for their allowed limits on individual batteries,, use that as a quality check regardless of choice of battery type and battery producer.

Jonas on,

Lady Annila, SM #232

Skickat från min iPad

25 feb. 2016 kl. 08:30 skrev Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

So far that is 2 out of 2 replies for 6v lead acid - interesting ... as I we had heard that a lot of folk have been going back to lead acid now ahead of Gel & AGM.

Will be most interesting to see how this changes as more people respond and what voltage they set their solar/wind controllers to for each type? There have been some conversations on this in the past but interested to get an update as technology has moved on plus if any one has gone to lithium and what their experiences are?

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane


On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 4:24 PM, simms simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Colin
We fitted 12 6 volt lead acid golf cart type batteries from west marine in the us in July 2009. Still going well.
We have a 350 watt super wind generator and two 130watt solar panels.
Cheers
Danny
Sm 299 Ocean pearl 



Sent from Samsung Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:25/02/2016 17:51 (GMT+12:00)
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

 

Our 8 house batteries (2001 SM)  have packed in hence time to replace them all. Before going ahead and purchasing new ones this week we would be most interested in finding out what type other Amel Owners are using for house batteries? Are you using Lead Acid / Gel / AGM / Lithium / Other?


Also what charge voltage are your Solar/wind generators (if you have these)  putting into the various types of batteries?


Thanks in advance


Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel53 #332

Brisbane, Australia




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445




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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maintenance SSB antenna

rossienio@...
 

This goes well, thank you Eric. I,ve just done that. My problem is how to connect the coax cable that comes from the mizzen to the insulated part of the triatic. . Because if the triatic antenna wants be a dipole should also be insulated in the middle and have two half antennas. Or not? Greetings and good winds. Enio


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Thank you all for the responses received thus far. From what has been said till now it certainly looks like there is wisdom in staying with the traditional flooded battery solution in a good brand such as Trojan or Lifeline. I have spent some time looking at the Trojan site which has good information on it, thanks Jonas.

The question now is 12v vs 6v individual batteries? I am interested to hear about the benefits of going 6v rather than the original 12v? Danny and Jonas what was the reason for you both deciding on 6v? 

Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,
We have had AGM high performance batteries, first time the bank was based on 12v AGMs best available at the time 2007. Second attempt to the AGMs was with high performance Golf Cart batteries, 6v. Problems with both attempts was that they aged fast even if they were less than twice bellow 25v. Both sets has been very expensive and the chargers had been set to charge AGM which is a different charge program.
Last change was done 2015, January, when we decided to go back to standard Trojan Golf Cart Led Acid batteries, 6v. They have behave extremly well since and despite that decreased AH with 70 we today have better battery capacity than ever. This taking of the input we have from solar panels and Wind Generator.

The struggle you have to live with is an investment that is far cheaper than AGMs and you have to check the water level every fourth week.

Problems with the Lithium technology is that the demand on the charger unit and additional control units are very high to prevent that temperature on the batteries are going to high. Quality seems also still be a problem.

Talking to sales people is one thing, living with the solution is another. We do have a low current draft on our boat despite having two fridges and one freezer running at all time which make the decision rather easy. We have a 8+1 battery box solution, if you have the twelfe battery box solution you are well of. 
Take a look at the Trojan site at check for their allowed limits on individual batteries,, use that as a quality check regardless of choice of battery type and battery producer.

Jonas on,

Lady Annila, SM #232

Skickat från min iPad

25 feb. 2016 kl. 08:30 skrev Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

So far that is 2 out of 2 replies for 6v lead acid - interesting ... as I we had heard that a lot of folk have been going back to lead acid now ahead of Gel & AGM.

Will be most interesting to see how this changes as more people respond and what voltage they set their solar/wind controllers to for each type? There have been some conversations on this in the past but interested to get an update as technology has moved on plus if any one has gone to lithium and what their experiences are?

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane


On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 4:24 PM, simms simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Colin
We fitted 12 6 volt lead acid golf cart type batteries from west marine in the us in July 2009. Still going well.
We have a 350 watt super wind generator and two 130watt solar panels.
Cheers
Danny
Sm 299 Ocean pearl 



Sent from Samsung Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:25/02/2016 17:51 (GMT+12:00)
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

 

Our 8 house batteries (2001 SM)  have packed in hence time to replace them all. Before going ahead and purchasing new ones this week we would be most interested in finding out what type other Amel Owners are using for house batteries? Are you using Lead Acid / Gel / AGM / Lithium / Other?


Also what charge voltage are your Solar/wind generators (if you have these)  putting into the various types of batteries?


Thanks in advance


Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel53 #332

Brisbane, Australia




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rope cutter

Paul Osterberg
 

Good to know I will try if I can't get the original
Thank you
Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rope cutter

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

You can make a zinc for the spurs line cutter by cutting it out of a boat zinc. It will not be a pretty as the Spurs zinc, but if you want a zinc on the line cutter, it will work. I have done this in the past.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 11:52 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thank you,

My boat has been in the water for a long time when I bought hear so in total more than 4 hears without changing the spur zink, I saw no trace of corrosion, however I will try to get it hear in Turkey before going into the water, but if not available local, I have to wait until next time on the hard
Paul S/Y Kerpa SM#259
 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Broken shackle on Main Sail car

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks Derick, this is good news for the shackle!
I would guess a few bolt to remove… haven’t look yet.

Walter, I agree with breaking shackle instead of the whole car!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic


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On Wed, 2/24/16, derickgates@comcast.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Broken shackle on Main Sail car
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2016, 4:13 PM


 









Alexandre,
Amel
WILL sell you just the shackle with the cross brace on it
for the main outhaul car.  I just bought one a couple of
months ago.  Now I just have to figure out how to exchange
shackles...
Derick
SM2K#400 BravaCurrently
in Sapphire Beach Marina, Saint Thomas, USVI









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rope cutter

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you,
My boat has been in the water for a long time when I bought hear so in total more than 4 hears without changing the spur zink, I saw no trace of corrosion, however I will try to get it hear in Turkey before going into the water, but if not available local, I have to wait until next time on the hard
Paul S/Y Kerpa SM#259
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Hi,
We have had AGM high performance batteries, first time the bank was based on 12v AGMs best available at the time 2007. Second attempt to the AGMs was with high performance Golf Cart batteries, 6v. Problems with both attempts was that they aged fast even if they were less than twice bellow 25v. Both sets has been very expensive and the chargers had been set to charge AGM which is a different charge program.
Last change was done 2015, January, when we decided to go back to standard Trojan Golf Cart Led Acid batteries, 6v. They have behave extremly well since and despite that decreased AH with 70 we today have better battery capacity than ever. This taking of the input we have from solar panels and Wind Generator.

The struggle you have to live with is an investment that is far cheaper than AGMs and you have to check the water level every fourth week.

Problems with the Lithium technology is that the demand on the charger unit and additional control units are very high to prevent that temperature on the batteries are going to high. Quality seems also still be a problem.

Talking to sales people is one thing, living with the solution is another. We do have a low current draft on our boat despite having two fridges and one freezer running at all time which make the decision rather easy. We have a 8+1 battery box solution, if you have the twelfe battery box solution you are well of. 
Take a look at the Trojan site at check for their allowed limits on individual batteries,, use that as a quality check regardless of choice of battery type and battery producer.

Jonas on,

Lady Annila, SM #232

Skickat från min iPad

25 feb. 2016 kl. 08:30 skrev Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

So far that is 2 out of 2 replies for 6v lead acid - interesting ... as I we had heard that a lot of folk have been going back to lead acid now ahead of Gel & AGM.

Will be most interesting to see how this changes as more people respond and what voltage they set their solar/wind controllers to for each type? There have been some conversations on this in the past but interested to get an update as technology has moved on plus if any one has gone to lithium and what their experiences are?

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane


On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 4:24 PM, simms simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Colin
We fitted 12 6 volt lead acid golf cart type batteries from west marine in the us in July 2009. Still going well.
We have a 350 watt super wind generator and two 130watt solar panels.
Cheers
Danny
Sm 299 Ocean pearl 



Sent from Samsung Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:25/02/2016 17:51 (GMT+12:00)
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

 

Our 8 house batteries (2001 SM)  have packed in hence time to replace them all. Before going ahead and purchasing new ones this week we would be most interested in finding out what type other Amel Owners are using for house batteries? Are you using Lead Acid / Gel / AGM / Lithium / Other?


Also what charge voltage are your Solar/wind generators (if you have these)  putting into the various types of batteries?


Thanks in advance


Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel53 #332

Brisbane, Australia




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

BeBe #387 has batteries similar to original batteries which are freedom-type lead/calcium batteries. 

If you are considering something different, be sure to consider charging parameters. BeBe's house batteries receive charge from 4 sources: Leece-Neville 175 amp 24VDC alternator, 30 amp 24VDC Dolphin charger, 100 amp 24VDC Dolphin charger and a Victron MPPT from the solar array. The only charger that is smart enough to regulate the charging parameters for different battery banks is the Victron MPPT. The other 3 are fine for freedom-type or regular lead acid batteries.

If I were to change BeBe's battery bank to AGM and want the benefit of higher charge rates and a long life of AGM, I would need to change the regulator on the 24VDC 175 amp alternator and replace the two Dolphin chargers. I tried AGM with moderate success, but I found AGMs that had the same charged voltage as the original batteries. That company does not make them anymore...and the life of the AGMs was disappointing. I switched back to freedom-type lead/calcium.

I hope this helps you.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I am still with 8 regular 12 V lead acid battery, but might look for better solutions.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic

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On Thu, 2/25/16, Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 1:30 AM


 









So far that is 2 out of 2
replies for 6v lead acid - interesting ... as I we had heard
that a lot of folk have been going back to lead acid now
ahead of Gel & AGM.
Will
be most interesting to see how this changes as more people
respond and what voltage they set their solar/wind
controllers to for each type? There have been some
conversations on this in the past but interested to get an
update as technology has moved on plus if any one has gone
to lithium and what their experiences are?
Colin & Lauren
StreeterIsland Pearl II, Amel 53
#332Brisbane

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at
4:24 PM, simms simms@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Hi ColinWe fitted 12 6 volt
lead acid golf cart type batteries from west marine in the
us in July 2009. Still going well.We have a 350
watt super wind generator and two 130watt solar
panels.CheersDannySm 299
Ocean pearl 


Sent from Samsung
Mobile

-------- Original
message --------From: "colin.d.streeter@...
[amelyachtowners]" Date:25/02/2016
17:51 (GMT+12:00) To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What
type house batteries to use what voltage charge from
Solar/Wind?

 






Our 8 house batteries (2001 SM)  have
packed in hence time to replace them all. Before going ahead
and purchasing new ones this week we would be most
interested in finding out what type other Amel Owners are
using for house batteries? Are you using Lead Acid / Gel /
AGM / Lithium / Other?
Also what charge voltage
are your Solar/wind generators (if you have these)  putting
into the various types of batteries?
Thanks in
advance
Colin & Lauren
StreeterIsland Pearl II, Amel53
#332Brisbane,
Australia



































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Streeter0411 016
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB antennas

INUS - BUSCH
 

Hi Bill and Eric,

 

thanks for your advice, I will use the triatic.

 

Fal-lera Sharki #135


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I am still with 8 regular 12 V lead acid battery, but might look for better solutions.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican Republic



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On Thu, 2/25/16, Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What type house batteries to use & what voltage charge from Solar/Wind?
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 1:30 AM


 









So far that is 2 out of 2
replies for 6v lead acid - interesting ... as I we had heard
that a lot of folk have been going back to lead acid now
ahead of Gel & AGM.
Will
be most interesting to see how this changes as more people
respond and what voltage they set their solar/wind
controllers to for each type? There have been some
conversations on this in the past but interested to get an
update as technology has moved on plus if any one has gone
to lithium and what their experiences are?
Colin & Lauren
StreeterIsland Pearl II, Amel 53
#332Brisbane

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at
4:24 PM, simms simms@xtra.co.nz
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Hi ColinWe fitted 12 6 volt
lead acid golf cart type batteries from west marine in the
us in July 2009. Still going well.We have a 350
watt super wind generator and two 130watt solar
panels.CheersDannySm 299
Ocean pearl 


Sent from Samsung
Mobile

-------- Original
message --------From: "colin.d.streeter@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners]" Date:25/02/2016
17:51 (GMT+12:00) To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries - What
type house batteries to use what voltage charge from
Solar/Wind?

 






Our 8 house batteries (2001 SM)  have
packed in hence time to replace them all. Before going ahead
and purchasing new ones this week we would be most
interested in finding out what type other Amel Owners are
using for house batteries? Are you using Lead Acid / Gel /
AGM / Lithium / Other?
Also what charge voltage
are your Solar/wind generators (if you have these)  putting
into the various types of batteries?
Thanks in
advance
Colin & Lauren
StreeterIsland Pearl II, Amel53
#332Brisbane,
Australia



































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