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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
Peter Buckley <carhartt@...>
Hi Bill, Well the on going saga continues. I tried the sandpaper between the puller and shaft and also put 2 pipe clamps below the puller to assist in the friction on the shaft. I think it moved 2mm?? Looks like Gradiva is going to see land again. Thanks again for your advice. I will let one and all know the outcome as well as the images that I have taken to record the process.
Kind Regards Peter
Gradiva Mango #70 Raymond Island, Australia
-- Peter Buckley
83 Twelfth Avenue Raymond Island VIC 3880
Phone: 0428 427 786
Email: carhartt@...
Peter, Before that tool was designed, the common practice was to disconnect the suspension cable to the motor. Place a wood block between where the motor and the housing meet, then from outside the boat, raise and plull down hard on the bow thruster. If you do this, be sure that you have sprayed plenty of WD40 or other penetrating oil at the junction of the tube and the motor. It might take raising and pulling 10 to 12 times. Also, if you have not already done so, you might try adding some grit between that tool and the tube. Maybe sandpaper folded over so that grit is on both sides. Possibly a machine shop can help you with something that will add friction between the tool and the shaft. Bill Rouse
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On Jul 26, 2015 8:39 AM, "Peter Buckley carhartt@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi, I have now tried in vain to remove the bow thruster on my Mango. I made a puller as per the Amel tool but the shaft is very tight and the tool only slips on the outer shaft. Is this a common problem and has anyone had to dismantle the motor to get at the top of the spline?
Kind Regards Gradiva Mango #70 Raymond Island, Australia
-- Peter Buckley
83 Twelfth Avenue Raymond Island VIC 3880
Phone: 0428 427 786
If the process is the same as the SM, here are pictures I took when I did mine, following information written by Gary Silver and notes added by Bill Rouse.
Hope that helps.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Flamingo Marina, Grand Bahama
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On Tue, 7/14/15, svcharisma@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2015, 9:18 PM
Peter,the parts don't all look exactly
the same, but the process is the same as for the Super
Maramu. The procedures documented on this Yahoo Group
apply to the Mango bow thruster as well. Make sure you
don't break or loose anything, as Amel won't be any
help with parts for the Mango version. The seals are
standard seals that can be purchased locally. I've had
a hard time matching the o-rings and have been using the
same ones for a while. The nylon screws can be purchased
locally. The foam rings are a bit more difficult. If you
can get the SM ones they will work. Don't tell Amel
you're looking for parts for a Mango, they seemed to
have purged the spares, or just run out. Last year I had
to fabricate a new fairing, which was challenging but
doable. Good Luck.
AlanMango #62, sv
Charisma
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine mountreplacement
Barry The "C" Drive is sitting on the Keel at the other end, It won't move an inch. There is very little wear and tear on those two mounts. Joe
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Alex,
I did not install a temperature sensor. I just closed the opening with a threaded cover. I imagine that monitoring the temperature in the exhaust elbow would help one know if there was any blockage due to scale. I just use an infra-red temperature gun on occasion to see if everything seems OK.
Mark Sabbatical III, ASM #243
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine mountreplacement
I am going through the same exercise at present.I do have the Vetus catalog and at the time of writing, the four engine mounts appear to be that of part MITSTEUN. These are holding up the frame bed the engine (TMD22A) is attached to. There are two further mounts securing the drive unit, these appear to be either of the type, HY100 or HY150 or HY230. Incidentally, the four flexible couplings are part TYPE 6.
My question here at this point is: before I dismantle and replace the mounts above the "C" drive, am I required to provide some sort of support to prevent the unit from dropping out the bottom of the boat (sort of)?
Kind Regards. Barry & Robyn Tradewinds III SM 171
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Mark Erdos
Alex,
The original exhaust elbow failed with less than 900 hours on the engine. I replaced the elbow with the improved Yanmar part but purchased the stainless steel one from ebay for a spare when I found them later on. The ebay part is really well made and you can buy it with confidence.
You also asked about a turbocharger repair kit. I couldn’t find one for Yanmar. They only sell the complete new unit (stupid expensive). I have a friend that has the same engine and he was able to find one. There are only a couple of companies that manufacturer turbo chargers. He was able to figure out who made it and got a generic kit (sorry, I do not have the info). This unit is made by a third party and not by Yanmar. Rebuilding the turbo charger was beyond my skills, so I had mine rebuilt by a local shop for about $450.00. They worked mostly on auto turbochargers but had no problem working on the unit and getting the parts. Note: if you turbocharger has ceased up because saltwater backed up into the unit, replace it with a new one.
With best regards,
Mark
Super Maramu 2000
Hull #275
www.creampuff.us
Currently cruising Chesapeake Bay
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 5:26 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Thanks Mark did you install one? Why would you?
Alex
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Digest Number 4016
Ron Heyselaar <ronheyselaar@...>
I will not have any internet or email connection the next couple of days (at least). Will reply as soon as I’m back online. Ron
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On Jul 26, 2015, at 24:58 , amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com wrote: ----------
Amel Yacht Owners - Forum for owners of Amel sailboats Group
15 Messages
Digest #4016
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Re: Tonnage by "peter killen" peter.killen@ymail.com
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Re: Tonnage by divanz620
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Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior by svbebe
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Re: Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior by svbebe
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Re: Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior by "Steve" cptbiffi
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Re: Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior by cflack10
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Re: Bow Thruster motor solution by alain_feuillet
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Re: Dessalator Water Maker Auto Rinse by gatesfrederick
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YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS by simpatico_amel_maramu
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Re: YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
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Re: YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS by "Mark Pitt" markmpitt
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Re: YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS by "sailormon" kimberlite1212
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YANMAR 4JH4-HTE TURBO SERVICE KIT by simpatico_amel_maramu
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Eberspächer D5 Installation by svperegrinus
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Re: Engine mountreplacement by joemac4sail
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Re: Tonnage
Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:15 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"peter killen" peter.killen@ymail.com
Eamonn
Can you send me your email address and I shall send you a pic of the document
Regards
Peter
SM433
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On 24 Jul 2015, at 14:34, peter killen <peterkillen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Eamonn
Yes it is a red line sm but otherwise I think exactly the same as your one from a survey point of view
I will forward you a pic of the official document
Regards
Peter
SM 433
Pure Magic
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On 24 Jul 2015, at 12:51, eamonn.washington@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Peter
Great. Is that a SM Red line? I guess it won't be much difference to a 1995 SM, but lets see what the Irish Survey office says. Could you email me a copy of your tonnage certificate?
You have already helped me enormously!
Thanks
Eamonn
SM #151
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Re: Tonnage
Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:15 am (PDT) . Posted by:
divanz620
Hi Peter, Could you post the pic on the forum...? please ?
I for one would be very interested to see this as I have had registration problems vis a vis surveys / tonnage certificates also.
Cheers
Alan
'Elyse SM437
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Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior
Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:24 am (PDT) . Posted by:
svbebe
We are in Barcelona and replacing all of the salon interior cushions. So, in about two weeks we will have the original cushions for anyone who may want them. They are in reasonable condition with no tears or holes. They need cleaning. They are made of UltraSuede and is a beige or light tan color. If you want these and are in the area, they are yours.
Bill
BeBe
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Re: Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior
Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:33 am (PDT) . Posted by:
svbebe
Someone has spoken for the cushion covers.
Bill
BeBe
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Re: Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior
Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Steve" cptbiffi
Hi Bill, I'll send you a mail. I am ready to change mine!
Il giorno 25/lug/2015, alle ore 17:24, "yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> ha scritto:
We are in Barcelona and replacing all of the salon interior cushions. So, in about two weeks we will have the original cushions for anyone who may want them. They are in reasonable condition with no tears or holes. They need cleaning. They are made of UltraSuede and is a beige or light tan color. If you want these and are in the area, they are yours.
Bill
BeBe
387
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Re: Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior
Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:42 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
cflack10
Hi Bill
Just out of interest, what are you putting in?
Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031
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From: "yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 6:24 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior
We are in Barcelona and replacing all of the salon interior cushions. So, in about two weeks we will have the original cushions for anyone who may want them. They are in reasonable condition with no tears or holes. They need cleaning. They are made of UltraSuede and is a beige or light tan color. If you want these and are in the area, they are yours.
Bill
BeBe
387
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Re: Bow Thruster motor solution
Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:17 am (PDT) . Posted by:
alain_feuillet
Andrew,
special thanks to you, because we overheated the motor 6 months ago, during a critical manoeuvre (hum... quite some smoke), and I had not the courage until now to open, check and inspect it. Next September, during the annual ship overhaul, I know now how I will open the motor and check what may have happen....
Thanks again and fair winds
Alain
SM PILGRIM
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Re: Dessalator Water Maker Auto Rinse
Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:48 am (PDT) . Posted by:
gatesfrederick
Thanks Bill. Very clear.
Derick
SM2K#400 Brava
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YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:48 am (PDT) . Posted by:
simpatico_amel_maramu
Hello to all, the original YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST mixing elbow has a plug with a hex screw cap, does anyone in this Group know what this is for? Secondly, has anyone installed a zinc on this elbow? I´ve read about corrosion issues and the ridiculous price of a Yanmar spare. Alex Paquin
SIMPATICO
Older Maramu 1981 #94
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Re: YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
Alex,
The plug is not for anything. It might have a function for an engine other than the 4JH4. There are no zincs located on the Yanmar engines installed in Amels.
Yanmar made some improvements to the elbow and has since used a thicker metal (aluminum?). They did not change the part number but cross referenced it. It is still stupid expensive. But, they now last longer than the original design.
Here is a less expensive stainless steel option: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yanmar-Stainless-Steel-Exhaust-Mixing-Elbow-4JH3-HTE-4JH3-4JH4-DTE-/331327810253
With best regards,
Mark
Super Maramu 2000
Hull #275
www.creampuff.us
Currently cruising the Chesapeake Bay
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 1:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Hello to all, the original YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST mixing elbow has a plug with a hex screw cap, does anyone in this Group know what this is for?
Secondly, has anyone installed a zinc on this elbow? I´ve read about corrosion issues and the ridiculous price of a Yanmar spare.
Alex Paquin
SIMPATICO
Older Maramu 1981 #94
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Re: YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:08 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Mark Pitt" markmpitt
The plug is for an optional temperature sensor.
Mark
Sabbatical III
SM #243
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On Jul 25, 2015, at 9:38 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Alex,
The plug is not for anything. It might have a function for an engine other than the 4JH4. There are no zincs located on the Yanmar engines installed in Amels.
Yanmar made some improvements to the elbow and has since used a thicker metal (aluminum?). They did not change the part number but cross referenced it. It is still stupid expensive. But, they now last longer than the original design.
Here is a less expensive stainless steel option: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yanmar-Stainless-Steel-Exhaust-Mixing-Elbow-4JH3-HTE-4JH3-4JH4-DTE-/331327810253
With best regards,
Mark
Super Maramu 2000
Hull #275
www.creampuff.us
Currently cruising the Chesapeake Bay
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 1:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Hello to all, the original YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST mixing elbow has a plug with a hex screw cap, does anyone in this Group know what this is for?
Secondly, has anyone installed a zinc on this elbow? I´ve read about corrosion issues and the ridiculous price of a Yanmar spare.
Alex Paquin
SIMPATICO
Older Maramu 1981 #94
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Re: YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:58 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"sailormon" kimberlite1212
Alex,
There is an incredibly beautiful cast stainless steel elbow available on ebay for that engine.
I installed one. It is a beautiful casting with the ends machined.
Looks like it will last forever.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 1:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Hello to all, the original YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST mixing elbow has a plug with a hex screw cap, does anyone in this Group know what this is for?
Secondly, has anyone installed a zinc on this elbow? I´ve read about corrosion issues and the ridiculous price of a Yanmar spare.
Alex Paquin
SIMPATICO
Older Maramu 1981 #94
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YANMAR 4JH4-HTE TURBO SERVICE KIT
Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:51 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
simpatico_amel_maramu
Can anyone advise if there is a rebuild kit with seals and bearings for the YANMAR 4JH4-HTE turbocharger? If so, is there a part number for this kit?
Alex Paquin
SIMPATICO
Older Maramu 1982, #94
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Eberspächer D5 Installation
Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:52 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
svperegrinus
Nautic-Elec just completed an installation of a diesel heater on Peregrinus. Nothing out of the ordinary, as No. 350 already had the Amel forced ventilation system; essentially, the two original Jabsco fans get cut out, and the heater is installed where the fans originally went. The factory ducting in the locker is then upgraded to heat-shielded ducting; a diesel line and a little pump must also be fit, and the heater requires a combustion exhaust which forces perforation of the hull about a meter above the waterline.
Some random items learned during the process:
1. Newer Super Maramu 2000s had the air inlet relocated to the base of the little portside locker at the base of the mizzen mast. We used the old inlet in the backrest of the long portside bench; other than the fact this older inlet can get accidentally blocked by its cover or by a cushion, the reason for the relocation wasn't otherwise made explicit.
2. Newer Super Maramu 2000s had a closable outlet in the steel tube that runs across the aft heads. We had the choice of upgrading this tube, but the cost was high and one sees where this could be of great benefit to others, but given our wet gear habits and needs, we did not upgrade.
3. We were initially advised only one controller can be fit. This may or may not have been true with the old controllers still on sale for the U.S. and U.K. markets, but is not true for the latest generation controllers with yellow-orange backlit screens. We have:
Easystart Select Part 22 1000 34 13 00
Easystart Remote+ Part 22 1000 34 17 00
For example, we are able to start a heating or ventilation cycle from the bulkhead fixed controller in the salon and to turn it off from the RF wireless remote from a sleeping cabin. The exact desired temperature can be adjusted from either controller, and the current temperature is shown on both displays.
To run two controllers simultaneously you must hook up the purple wire. This is not shown on either manual for the above; it is shown on the "Special Functions and Diagnostics" separate technical manual no-one tells you about.
4. Eberspächer will ship you, at least in Europe, old-stock heaters with screen-less controllers, with reduced functionality and reduced expandability. Beware.
5. After experiencing moderate whine on the aft cabin outlet (same as the old ventilation system), we upgraded the ducting with an Eberspächer silencer. Upside: the outlet is entirely quiet. It is so quiet, you can now lightly hear the whine of the heater itself, enclosed in the portside locker. Downside: airflow is reduced. Winter will tell if this was a suboptimal decision!
Many thanks to Eric of s/y Kimberlite for all the aid, tips, and research undertaken. This installation would most certainly have been a lot less satisfactory without his incredible and friendly input in NY and in Ft L.
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Re: Engine mountreplacement
Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:08 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
joemac4sail
Hi Pat The bushes for the coupler are sold as the Vetus Coupler Repair Kit. A.S.A.P. Supplies, in the UK, have the kit for sale for about £13 Sterling. If the mounts you have are the round Vetus Hydro with the high profile, again they are for sale with ASAP. They are coded as the "mitsteun"; mounts. These are the mounts Amel were going to supply before the question was asked about their rating. On the Vetus technical data sheet, these mounts are recommended for 1,2 and 3 cylinder engines of up to 35hp, so have a look at them and see what you think.
Joe
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Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal. by "Peter Buckley" peter.buckley60
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Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal. by "Bill & Judy Rouse" svbebe
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Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:39 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Peter Buckley" peter.buckley60
Hi,
I have now tried in vain to remove the bow thruster on my Mango. I made a
puller as per the Amel tool but the shaft is very tight and the tool only
slips on the outer shaft. Is this a common problem and has anyone had to
dismantle the motor to get at the top of the spline?
Kind Regards
Gradiva
Mango #70
Raymond Island, Australia
--
Peter Buckley
83 Twelfth Avenue
Raymond Island VIC 3880
Phone: 0428 427 786
Email: carhartt@bigpond.com
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 06:29:17 -0700
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
If the process is the same as the SM, here are pictures I took when I did
mine, following information written by Gary Silver and notes added by Bill
Rouse.
Hope that helps.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Flamingo Marina, Grand Bahama
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 7/14/15, svcharisma@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2015, 9:18 PM
Peter,the parts don't all look exactly
the same, but the process is the same as for the Super
Maramu. The procedures documented on this Yahoo Group
apply to the Mango bow thruster as well. Make sure you
don't break or loose anything, as Amel won't be any
help with parts for the Mango version. The seals are
standard seals that can be purchased locally. I've had
a hard time matching the o-rings and have been using the
same ones for a while. The nylon screws can be purchased
locally. The foam rings are a bit more difficult. If you
can get the SM ones they will work. Don't tell Amel
you're looking for parts for a Mango, they seemed to
have purged the spares, or just run out. Last year I had
to fabricate a new fairing, which was challenging but
doable. Good Luck.
AlanMango #62, sv
Charisma
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Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:52 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Bill & Judy Rouse" svbebe
Peter,
Before that tool was designed, the common practice was to disconnect the
suspension cable to the motor. Place a wood block between where the motor
and the housing meet, then from outside the boat, raise and plull down hard
on the bow thruster. If you do this, be sure that you have sprayed plenty
of WD40 or other penetrating oil at the junction of the tube and the motor.
It might take raising and pulling 10 to 12 times.
Also, if you have not already done so, you might try adding some grit
between that tool and the tube. Maybe sandpaper folded over so that grit is
on both sides. Possibly a machine shop can help you with something that
will add friction between the tool and the shaft.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Jul 26, 2015 8:39 AM, "Peter Buckley carhartt@bigpond.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi,
I have now tried in vain to remove the bow thruster on my Mango. I made a
puller as per the Amel tool but the shaft is very tight and the tool only
slips on the outer shaft. Is this a common problem and has anyone had to
dismantle the motor to get at the top of the spline?
Kind Regards
Gradiva
Mango #70
Raymond Island, Australia
--
Peter Buckley
83 Twelfth Avenue
Raymond Island VIC 3880
Phone: 0428 427 786
Email: carhartt@bigpond.com
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]" <
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 06:29:17 -0700
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
If the process is the same as the SM, here are pictures I took when I did
mine, following information written by Gary Silver and notes added by Bill
Rouse.
Hope that helps.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Flamingo Marina, Grand Bahama
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 7/14/15, svcharisma@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2015, 9:18 PM
Peter,the parts don't all look exactly
the same, but the process is the same as for the Super
Maramu. The procedures documented on this Yahoo Group
apply to the Mango bow thruster as well. Make sure you
don't break or loose anything, as Amel won't be any
help with parts for the Mango version. The seals are
standard seals that can be purchased locally. I've had
a hard time matching the o-rings and have been using the
same ones for a while. The nylon screws can be purchased
locally. The foam rings are a bit more difficult. If you
can get the SM ones they will work. Don't tell Amel
you're looking for parts for a Mango, they seemed to
have purged the spares, or just run out. Last year I had
to fabricate a new fairing, which was challenging but
doable. Good Luck.
AlanMango #62, sv
Charisma
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Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:38 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Peter Buckley" peter.buckley60
Hi Bill,
Thanks for the advice. I am trying to remove the thruster in the water if I
can but will lift it out if needed. I will try the sandpaper idea first and
see if that is a solution.
Kind Regards
Peter
Gradiva
Mango #70
Raymond Island, Australia
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Peter Buckley
83 Twelfth Avenue
Raymond Island VIC 3880
Phone: 0428 427 786
Email: carhartt@bigpond.com
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 08:52:15 +0200
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
Peter,
Before that tool was designed, the common practice was to disconnect the
suspension cable to the motor. Place a wood block between where the motor
and the housing meet, then from outside the boat, raise and plull down hard
on the bow thruster. If you do this, be sure that you have sprayed plenty of
WD40 or other penetrating oil at the junction of the tube and the motor. It
might take raising and pulling 10 to 12 times.
Also, if you have not already done so, you might try adding some grit
between that tool and the tube. Maybe sandpaper folded over so that grit is
on both sides. Possibly a machine shop can help you with something that will
add friction between the tool and the shaft.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Jul 26, 2015 8:39 AM, "Peter Buckley carhartt@bigpond.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi,
I have now tried in vain to remove the bow thruster on my Mango. I made a
puller as per the Amel tool but the shaft is very tight and the tool only
slips on the outer shaft. Is this a common problem and has anyone had to
dismantle the motor to get at the top of the spline?
Kind Regards
Gradiva
Mango #70
Raymond Island, Australia
--
Peter Buckley
83 Twelfth Avenue
Raymond Island VIC 3880
Phone: 0428 427 786
Email: carhartt@bigpond.com
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 06:29:17 -0700
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
If the process is the same as the SM, here are pictures I took when I did
mine, following information written by Gary Silver and notes added by Bill
Rouse.
Hope that helps.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Flamingo Marina, Grand Bahama
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On Tue, 7/14/15, svcharisma@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2015, 9:18 PM
Peter,the parts don't all look exactly
the same, but the process is the same as for the Super
Maramu. The procedures documented on this Yahoo Group
apply to the Mango bow thruster as well. Make sure you
don't break or loose anything, as Amel won't be any
help with parts for the Mango version. The seals are
standard seals that can be purchased locally. I've had
a hard time matching the o-rings and have been using the
same ones for a while. The nylon screws can be purchased
locally. The foam rings are a bit more difficult. If you
can get the SM ones they will work. Don't tell Amel
you're looking for parts for a Mango, they seemed to
have purged the spares, or just run out. Last year I had
to fabricate a new fairing, which was challenging but
doable. Good Luck.
AlanMango #62, sv
Charisma
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15 Messages
Digest #4016
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Re: Tonnage by "peter killen" peter.killen@ymail.com
1b
Re: Tonnage by divanz620
2a
Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior by svbebe
2b
Re: Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior by svbebe
2c
Re: Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior by "Steve" cptbiffi
2d
Re: Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior by cflack10
3a
Re: Bow Thruster motor solution by alain_feuillet
4a
Re: Dessalator Water Maker Auto Rinse by gatesfrederick
5a
YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS by simpatico_amel_maramu
5b
Re: YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS by "Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
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Re: YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS by "Mark Pitt" markmpitt
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Re: YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS by "sailormon" kimberlite1212
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YANMAR 4JH4-HTE TURBO SERVICE KIT by simpatico_amel_maramu
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Eberspächer D5 Installation by svperegrinus
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Re: Engine mountreplacement by joemac4sail
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Re: Tonnage
Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:15 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"peter killen" peter.killen@ymail.com
Eamonn
Can you send me your email address and I shall send you a pic of the document
Regards
Peter
SM433
Sent from my iPhone
On 24 Jul 2015, at 14:34, peter killen <peterkillen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Eamonn
Yes it is a red line sm but otherwise I think exactly the same as your one from a survey point of view
I will forward you a pic of the official document
Regards
Peter
SM 433
Pure Magic
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On 24 Jul 2015, at 12:51, eamonn.washington@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Peter
Great. Is that a SM Red line? I guess it won't be much difference to a 1995 SM, but lets see what the Irish Survey office says. Could you email me a copy of your tonnage certificate?
You have already helped me enormously!
Thanks
Eamonn
SM #151
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Re: Tonnage
Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:15 am (PDT) . Posted by:
divanz620
Hi Peter, Could you post the pic on the forum...? please ?
I for one would be very interested to see this as I have had registration problems vis a vis surveys / tonnage certificates also.
Cheers
Alan
'Elyse SM437
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Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior
Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:24 am (PDT) . Posted by:
svbebe
We are in Barcelona and replacing all of the salon interior cushions. So, in about two weeks we will have the original cushions for anyone who may want them. They are in reasonable condition with no tears or holes. They need cleaning. They are made of UltraSuede and is a beige or light tan color. If you want these and are in the area, they are yours.
Bill
BeBe
387
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Re: Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior
Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:33 am (PDT) . Posted by:
svbebe
Someone has spoken for the cushion covers.
Bill
BeBe
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Re: Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior
Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Steve" cptbiffi
Hi Bill, I'll send you a mail. I am ready to change mine!
Il giorno 25/lug/2015, alle ore 17:24, "yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> ha scritto:
We are in Barcelona and replacing all of the salon interior cushions. So, in about two weeks we will have the original cushions for anyone who may want them. They are in reasonable condition with no tears or holes. They need cleaning. They are made of UltraSuede and is a beige or light tan color. If you want these and are in the area, they are yours.
Bill
BeBe
387
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Re: Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior
Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:42 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
cflack10
Hi Bill
Just out of interest, what are you putting in?
Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031
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From: "yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 6:24 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu 2000 Salon Interior
We are in Barcelona and replacing all of the salon interior cushions. So, in about two weeks we will have the original cushions for anyone who may want them. They are in reasonable condition with no tears or holes. They need cleaning. They are made of UltraSuede and is a beige or light tan color. If you want these and are in the area, they are yours.
Bill
BeBe
387
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Re: Bow Thruster motor solution
Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:17 am (PDT) . Posted by:
alain_feuillet
Andrew,
special thanks to you, because we overheated the motor 6 months ago, during a critical manoeuvre (hum... quite some smoke), and I had not the courage until now to open, check and inspect it. Next September, during the annual ship overhaul, I know now how I will open the motor and check what may have happen....
Thanks again and fair winds
Alain
SM PILGRIM
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Re: Dessalator Water Maker Auto Rinse
Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:48 am (PDT) . Posted by:
gatesfrederick
Thanks Bill. Very clear.
Derick
SM2K#400 Brava
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YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:48 am (PDT) . Posted by:
simpatico_amel_maramu
Hello to all, the original YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST mixing elbow has a plug with a hex screw cap, does anyone in this Group know what this is for? Secondly, has anyone installed a zinc on this elbow? I´ve read about corrosion issues and the ridiculous price of a Yanmar spare. Alex Paquin
SIMPATICO
Older Maramu 1981 #94
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Re: YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Mark Erdos" captain_cucumber_head
Alex,
The plug is not for anything. It might have a function for an engine other than the 4JH4. There are no zincs located on the Yanmar engines installed in Amels.
Yanmar made some improvements to the elbow and has since used a thicker metal (aluminum?). They did not change the part number but cross referenced it. It is still stupid expensive. But, they now last longer than the original design.
Here is a less expensive stainless steel option: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yanmar-Stainless-Steel-Exhaust-Mixing-Elbow-4JH3-HTE-4JH3-4JH4-DTE-/331327810253
With best regards,
Mark
Super Maramu 2000
Hull #275
www.creampuff.us
Currently cruising the Chesapeake Bay
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 1:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Hello to all, the original YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST mixing elbow has a plug with a hex screw cap, does anyone in this Group know what this is for?
Secondly, has anyone installed a zinc on this elbow? I´ve read about corrosion issues and the ridiculous price of a Yanmar spare.
Alex Paquin
SIMPATICO
Older Maramu 1981 #94
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Re: YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:08 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Mark Pitt" markmpitt
The plug is for an optional temperature sensor.
Mark
Sabbatical III
SM #243
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On Jul 25, 2015, at 9:38 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Alex,
The plug is not for anything. It might have a function for an engine other than the 4JH4. There are no zincs located on the Yanmar engines installed in Amels.
Yanmar made some improvements to the elbow and has since used a thicker metal (aluminum?). They did not change the part number but cross referenced it. It is still stupid expensive. But, they now last longer than the original design.
Here is a less expensive stainless steel option: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yanmar-Stainless-Steel-Exhaust-Mixing-Elbow-4JH3-HTE-4JH3-4JH4-DTE-/331327810253
With best regards,
Mark
Super Maramu 2000
Hull #275
www.creampuff.us
Currently cruising the Chesapeake Bay
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 1:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Hello to all, the original YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST mixing elbow has a plug with a hex screw cap, does anyone in this Group know what this is for?
Secondly, has anyone installed a zinc on this elbow? I´ve read about corrosion issues and the ridiculous price of a Yanmar spare.
Alex Paquin
SIMPATICO
Older Maramu 1981 #94
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Re: YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:58 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"sailormon" kimberlite1212
Alex,
There is an incredibly beautiful cast stainless steel elbow available on ebay for that engine.
I installed one. It is a beautiful casting with the ends machined.
Looks like it will last forever.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 1:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Hello to all, the original YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST mixing elbow has a plug with a hex screw cap, does anyone in this Group know what this is for?
Secondly, has anyone installed a zinc on this elbow? I´ve read about corrosion issues and the ridiculous price of a Yanmar spare.
Alex Paquin
SIMPATICO
Older Maramu 1981 #94
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YANMAR 4JH4-HTE TURBO SERVICE KIT
Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:51 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
simpatico_amel_maramu
Can anyone advise if there is a rebuild kit with seals and bearings for the YANMAR 4JH4-HTE turbocharger? If so, is there a part number for this kit?
Alex Paquin
SIMPATICO
Older Maramu 1982, #94
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Eberspächer D5 Installation
Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:52 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
svperegrinus
Nautic-Elec just completed an installation of a diesel heater on Peregrinus. Nothing out of the ordinary, as No. 350 already had the Amel forced ventilation system; essentially, the two original Jabsco fans get cut out, and the heater is installed where the fans originally went. The factory ducting in the locker is then upgraded to heat-shielded ducting; a diesel line and a little pump must also be fit, and the heater requires a combustion exhaust which forces perforation of the hull about a meter above the waterline.
Some random items learned during the process:
1. Newer Super Maramu 2000s had the air inlet relocated to the base of the little portside locker at the base of the mizzen mast. We used the old inlet in the backrest of the long portside bench; other than the fact this older inlet can get accidentally blocked by its cover or by a cushion, the reason for the relocation wasn't otherwise made explicit.
2. Newer Super Maramu 2000s had a closable outlet in the steel tube that runs across the aft heads. We had the choice of upgrading this tube, but the cost was high and one sees where this could be of great benefit to others, but given our wet gear habits and needs, we did not upgrade.
3. We were initially advised only one controller can be fit. This may or may not have been true with the old controllers still on sale for the U.S. and U.K. markets, but is not true for the latest generation controllers with yellow-orange backlit screens. We have:
Easystart Select Part 22 1000 34 13 00
Easystart Remote+ Part 22 1000 34 17 00
For example, we are able to start a heating or ventilation cycle from the bulkhead fixed controller in the salon and to turn it off from the RF wireless remote from a sleeping cabin. The exact desired temperature can be adjusted from either controller, and the current temperature is shown on both displays.
To run two controllers simultaneously you must hook up the purple wire. This is not shown on either manual for the above; it is shown on the "Special Functions and Diagnostics" separate technical manual no-one tells you about.
4. Eberspächer will ship you, at least in Europe, old-stock heaters with screen-less controllers, with reduced functionality and reduced expandability. Beware.
5. After experiencing moderate whine on the aft cabin outlet (same as the old ventilation system), we upgraded the ducting with an Eberspächer silencer. Upside: the outlet is entirely quiet. It is so quiet, you can now lightly hear the whine of the heater itself, enclosed in the portside locker. Downside: airflow is reduced. Winter will tell if this was a suboptimal decision!
Many thanks to Eric of s/y Kimberlite for all the aid, tips, and research undertaken. This installation would most certainly have been a lot less satisfactory without his incredible and friendly input in NY and in Ft L.
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Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:08 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
joemac4sail
Hi Pat The bushes for the coupler are sold as the Vetus Coupler Repair Kit. A.S.A.P. Supplies, in the UK, have the kit for sale for about £13 Sterling. If the mounts you have are the round Vetus Hydro with the high profile, again they are for sale with ASAP. They are coded as the "mitsteun"; mounts. These are the mounts Amel were going to supply before the question was asked about their rating. On the Vetus technical data sheet, these mounts are recommended for 1,2 and 3 cylinder engines of up to 35hp, so have a look at them and see what you think.
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Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal. by "Peter Buckley" peter.buckley60
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Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:39 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Peter Buckley" peter.buckley60
Hi,
I have now tried in vain to remove the bow thruster on my Mango. I made a
puller as per the Amel tool but the shaft is very tight and the tool only
slips on the outer shaft. Is this a common problem and has anyone had to
dismantle the motor to get at the top of the spline?
Kind Regards
Gradiva
Mango #70
Raymond Island, Australia
--
Peter Buckley
83 Twelfth Avenue
Raymond Island VIC 3880
Phone: 0428 427 786
Email: carhartt@bigpond.com
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 06:29:17 -0700
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
If the process is the same as the SM, here are pictures I took when I did
mine, following information written by Gary Silver and notes added by Bill
Rouse.
Hope that helps.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Flamingo Marina, Grand Bahama
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 7/14/15, svcharisma@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2015, 9:18 PM
Peter,the parts don't all look exactly
the same, but the process is the same as for the Super
Maramu. The procedures documented on this Yahoo Group
apply to the Mango bow thruster as well. Make sure you
don't break or loose anything, as Amel won't be any
help with parts for the Mango version. The seals are
standard seals that can be purchased locally. I've had
a hard time matching the o-rings and have been using the
same ones for a while. The nylon screws can be purchased
locally. The foam rings are a bit more difficult. If you
can get the SM ones they will work. Don't tell Amel
you're looking for parts for a Mango, they seemed to
have purged the spares, or just run out. Last year I had
to fabricate a new fairing, which was challenging but
doable. Good Luck.
AlanMango #62, sv
Charisma
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Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:52 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Bill & Judy Rouse" svbebe
Peter,
Before that tool was designed, the common practice was to disconnect the
suspension cable to the motor. Place a wood block between where the motor
and the housing meet, then from outside the boat, raise and plull down hard
on the bow thruster. If you do this, be sure that you have sprayed plenty
of WD40 or other penetrating oil at the junction of the tube and the motor.
It might take raising and pulling 10 to 12 times.
Also, if you have not already done so, you might try adding some grit
between that tool and the tube. Maybe sandpaper folded over so that grit is
on both sides. Possibly a machine shop can help you with something that
will add friction between the tool and the shaft.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On Jul 26, 2015 8:39 AM, "Peter Buckley carhartt@bigpond.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi,
I have now tried in vain to remove the bow thruster on my Mango. I made a
puller as per the Amel tool but the shaft is very tight and the tool only
slips on the outer shaft. Is this a common problem and has anyone had to
dismantle the motor to get at the top of the spline?
Kind Regards
Gradiva
Mango #70
Raymond Island, Australia
--
Peter Buckley
83 Twelfth Avenue
Raymond Island VIC 3880
Phone: 0428 427 786
Email: carhartt@bigpond.com
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]" <
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 06:29:17 -0700
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
If the process is the same as the SM, here are pictures I took when I did
mine, following information written by Gary Silver and notes added by Bill
Rouse.
Hope that helps.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Flamingo Marina, Grand Bahama
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 7/14/15, svcharisma@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2015, 9:18 PM
Peter,the parts don't all look exactly
the same, but the process is the same as for the Super
Maramu. The procedures documented on this Yahoo Group
apply to the Mango bow thruster as well. Make sure you
don't break or loose anything, as Amel won't be any
help with parts for the Mango version. The seals are
standard seals that can be purchased locally. I've had
a hard time matching the o-rings and have been using the
same ones for a while. The nylon screws can be purchased
locally. The foam rings are a bit more difficult. If you
can get the SM ones they will work. Don't tell Amel
you're looking for parts for a Mango, they seemed to
have purged the spares, or just run out. Last year I had
to fabricate a new fairing, which was challenging but
doable. Good Luck.
AlanMango #62, sv
Charisma
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Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:38 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Peter Buckley" peter.buckley60
Hi Bill,
Thanks for the advice. I am trying to remove the thruster in the water if I
can but will lift it out if needed. I will try the sandpaper idea first and
see if that is a solution.
Kind Regards
Peter
Gradiva
Mango #70
Raymond Island, Australia
--
Peter Buckley
83 Twelfth Avenue
Raymond Island VIC 3880
Phone: 0428 427 786
Email: carhartt@bigpond.com
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 08:52:15 +0200
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
Peter,
Before that tool was designed, the common practice was to disconnect the
suspension cable to the motor. Place a wood block between where the motor
and the housing meet, then from outside the boat, raise and plull down hard
on the bow thruster. If you do this, be sure that you have sprayed plenty of
WD40 or other penetrating oil at the junction of the tube and the motor. It
might take raising and pulling 10 to 12 times.
Also, if you have not already done so, you might try adding some grit
between that tool and the tube. Maybe sandpaper folded over so that grit is
on both sides. Possibly a machine shop can help you with something that will
add friction between the tool and the shaft.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On Jul 26, 2015 8:39 AM, "Peter Buckley carhartt@bigpond.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi,
I have now tried in vain to remove the bow thruster on my Mango. I made a
puller as per the Amel tool but the shaft is very tight and the tool only
slips on the outer shaft. Is this a common problem and has anyone had to
dismantle the motor to get at the top of the spline?
Kind Regards
Gradiva
Mango #70
Raymond Island, Australia
--
Peter Buckley
83 Twelfth Avenue
Raymond Island VIC 3880
Phone: 0428 427 786
Email: carhartt@bigpond.com
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 06:29:17 -0700
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
If the process is the same as the SM, here are pictures I took when I did
mine, following information written by Gary Silver and notes added by Bill
Rouse.
Hope that helps.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Flamingo Marina, Grand Bahama
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On Tue, 7/14/15, svcharisma@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2015, 9:18 PM
Peter,the parts don't all look exactly
the same, but the process is the same as for the Super
Maramu. The procedures documented on this Yahoo Group
apply to the Mango bow thruster as well. Make sure you
don't break or loose anything, as Amel won't be any
help with parts for the Mango version. The seals are
standard seals that can be purchased locally. I've had
a hard time matching the o-rings and have been using the
same ones for a while. The nylon screws can be purchased
locally. The foam rings are a bit more difficult. If you
can get the SM ones they will work. Don't tell Amel
you're looking for parts for a Mango, they seemed to
have purged the spares, or just run out. Last year I had
to fabricate a new fairing, which was challenging but
doable. Good Luck.
AlanMango #62, sv
Charisma
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Not only is it sturdy but when you compare it to the yanmar unit you will notice that the exhaust from the engine in the elbow is directed directly down the center of the exhaust hose and not to one side as on the Yanmar. A much better design. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
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Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 5:45 PM
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Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS Thanks Eric I found it seems pretty sturdy. I´ll look into it.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Alejandro Paquin
Thanks Eric I found it seems pretty sturdy. I´ll look into it. Alex
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Alejandro Paquin
Thanks Mark I´d have to look at my elbow first before purchasing one. Regards, Alex
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
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Thanks Mark did you install one? Why would you? Alex
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine mountreplacement
Pat The basic weight listed for the Perkins M50/ Volvo is 225 KG, add in the the gear box and frame and it up to about 275kg. I searched high and low for the original mounts but was unable to find any, I could not even find an image of them through Google search. As the engine was originally used in the Austin Montego/ Maestro through the 80s and early 90s, try to get your hands on the Haynes Montego/ Maestro 2litre diesel manual, either through ebay or amazon. For parts and information have a look at the Austin Montego club ( I joined). The Perkins on Khamsin has over 6500 hours on the clock and I intend to get it past the 10, so finding a source of parts, other than those with a "marine" badge, is always worth it. Joe
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine mountreplacement
Joe, Thanks for the info. It sounds that the mounts if rated for 35 hp. and 3cylinder would not be the right mount for a SM. Do they not offer a mount designed for a larger engine? I was going to check with Vetus here but need to know the weight of the engine. Does anyone know the source of Amel's original mounts? Thanks , Pat
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From: joemac4sail@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Jul 25, 2015 9:08 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine mountreplacement
Hi Pat
The bushes for the coupler are sold as the Vetus Coupler Repair Kit. A.S.A.P. Supplies, in the UK, have the kit for sale for about £13 Sterling. If the mounts you have are the round Vetus Hydro with the high profile, again they are for sale with ASAP. They are coded as the "mitsteun" mounts. These are the mounts Amel were going to supply before the question was asked about their rating. On the Vetus technical data sheet, these mounts are recommended for 1,2 and 3 cylinder engines of up to 35hp, so have a look at them and see what you think.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
Peter Buckley <carhartt@...>
Hi Bill,
Thanks for the advice. I am trying to remove the thruster in the water if I can but will lift it out if needed. I will try the sandpaper idea first and see if that is a solution.
Kind Regards
Peter
Gradiva Mango #70 Raymond Island, Australia
-- Peter Buckley
83 Twelfth Avenue Raymond Island VIC 3880
Phone: 0428 427 786
Email: carhartt@...
Peter, Before that tool was designed, the common practice was to disconnect the suspension cable to the motor. Place a wood block between where the motor and the housing meet, then from outside the boat, raise and plull down hard on the bow thruster. If you do this, be sure that you have sprayed plenty of WD40 or other penetrating oil at the junction of the tube and the motor. It might take raising and pulling 10 to 12 times. Also, if you have not already done so, you might try adding some grit between that tool and the tube. Maybe sandpaper folded over so that grit is on both sides. Possibly a machine shop can help you with something that will add friction between the tool and the shaft. Bill Rouse
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On Jul 26, 2015 8:39 AM, "Peter Buckley carhartt@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi, I have now tried in vain to remove the bow thruster on my Mango. I made a puller as per the Amel tool but the shaft is very tight and the tool only slips on the outer shaft. Is this a common problem and has anyone had to dismantle the motor to get at the top of the spline?
Kind Regards Gradiva Mango #70 Raymond Island, Australia
-- Peter Buckley
83 Twelfth Avenue Raymond Island VIC 3880
Phone: 0428 427 786
If the process is the same as the SM, here are pictures I took when I did mine, following information written by Gary Silver and notes added by Bill Rouse.
Hope that helps.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Flamingo Marina, Grand Bahama
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On Tue, 7/14/15, svcharisma@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2015, 9:18 PM
Peter,the parts don't all look exactly
the same, but the process is the same as for the Super
Maramu. The procedures documented on this Yahoo Group
apply to the Mango bow thruster as well. Make sure you
don't break or loose anything, as Amel won't be any
help with parts for the Mango version. The seals are
standard seals that can be purchased locally. I've had
a hard time matching the o-rings and have been using the
same ones for a while. The nylon screws can be purchased
locally. The foam rings are a bit more difficult. If you
can get the SM ones they will work. Don't tell Amel
you're looking for parts for a Mango, they seemed to
have purged the spares, or just run out. Last year I had
to fabricate a new fairing, which was challenging but
doable. Good Luck.
AlanMango #62, sv
Charisma
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Peter,
Before that tool was designed, the common practice was to disconnect the suspension cable to the motor. Place a wood block between where the motor and the housing meet, then from outside the boat, raise and plull down hard on the bow thruster. If you do this, be sure that you have sprayed plenty of WD40 or other penetrating oil at the junction of the tube and the motor. It might take raising and pulling 10 to 12 times.
Also, if you have not already done so, you might try adding some grit between that tool and the tube. Maybe sandpaper folded over so that grit is on both sides. Possibly a machine shop can help you with something that will add friction between the tool and the shaft.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Jul 26, 2015 8:39 AM, "Peter Buckley carhartt@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi, I have now tried in vain to remove the bow thruster on my Mango. I made a puller as per the Amel tool but the shaft is very tight and the tool only slips on the outer shaft. Is this a common problem and has anyone had to dismantle the motor to get at the top of the spline?
Kind Regards Gradiva Mango #70 Raymond Island, Australia
-- Peter Buckley
83 Twelfth Avenue Raymond Island VIC 3880
Phone: 0428 427 786
If the process is the same as the SM, here are pictures I took when I did mine, following information written by Gary Silver and notes added by Bill Rouse.
Hope that helps.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Flamingo Marina, Grand Bahama
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On Tue, 7/14/15, svcharisma@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2015, 9:18 PM
Peter,the parts don't all look exactly
the same, but the process is the same as for the Super
Maramu. The procedures documented on this Yahoo Group
apply to the Mango bow thruster as well. Make sure you
don't break or loose anything, as Amel won't be any
help with parts for the Mango version. The seals are
standard seals that can be purchased locally. I've had
a hard time matching the o-rings and have been using the
same ones for a while. The nylon screws can be purchased
locally. The foam rings are a bit more difficult. If you
can get the SM ones they will work. Don't tell Amel
you're looking for parts for a Mango, they seemed to
have purged the spares, or just run out. Last year I had
to fabricate a new fairing, which was challenging but
doable. Good Luck.
AlanMango #62, sv
Charisma
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
Peter Buckley <carhartt@...>
Hi, I have now tried in vain to remove the bow thruster on my Mango. I made a puller as per the Amel tool but the shaft is very tight and the tool only slips on the outer shaft. Is this a common problem and has anyone had to dismantle the motor to get at the top of the spline?
Kind Regards Gradiva Mango #70 Raymond Island, Australia
-- Peter Buckley
83 Twelfth Avenue Raymond Island VIC 3880
Phone: 0428 427 786
Email: carhartt@...
If the process is the same as the SM, here are pictures I took when I did mine, following information written by Gary Silver and notes added by Bill Rouse.
Hope that helps.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Flamingo Marina, Grand Bahama
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 7/14/15, svcharisma@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2015, 9:18 PM
Peter,the parts don't all look exactly
the same, but the process is the same as for the Super
Maramu. The procedures documented on this Yahoo Group
apply to the Mango bow thruster as well. Make sure you
don't break or loose anything, as Amel won't be any
help with parts for the Mango version. The seals are
standard seals that can be purchased locally. I've had
a hard time matching the o-rings and have been using the
same ones for a while. The nylon screws can be purchased
locally. The foam rings are a bit more difficult. If you
can get the SM ones they will work. Don't tell Amel
you're looking for parts for a Mango, they seemed to
have purged the spares, or just run out. Last year I had
to fabricate a new fairing, which was challenging but
doable. Good Luck.
AlanMango #62, sv
Charisma
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS
Alex, There is an incredibly beautiful cast stainless steel elbow available on ebay for that engine. I installed one. It is a beautiful casting with the ends machined. Looks like it will last forever. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 1:49 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST MIXING ELBOW - PLUG AND ZINCS Hello to all, the original YANMAR 4JH4-HTE EXHAUST mixing elbow has a plug with a hex screw cap, does anyone in this Group know what this is for? Secondly, has anyone installed a zinc on this elbow? I´ve read about corrosion issues and the ridiculous price of a Yanmar spare.
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