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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain Locker Drainage

karkauai
 

Hi, Santorin18,
They sometimes call me "Rusty" because I had a ball of over 100ft of chain rusted into a solid ball in my chain locker.  It was a horrible job getting it out, but I am now intimate with me chain locker(:
At the bottom or the chain locker is a false floor with lots of ~2cm holes which allow water to drain into the bilge.  There is no access to the bilge.  I had to cut a hole in the false floor to get all the rust particles our of the bilge below the false floor.  On my SM243, the drain hole through the bulkhead is just a few cms below the false floor, so water and debris can accumulate in the bilge.

There is a pipe glassed into the hole and to the bulkhead that is attached to the hose that drains to the sump in the engine room (part of the gray water system), and a valve just aft of the bulkhead.

If the valve is closed, just open it, if it's open, remove the hose from the pipe and run something up into the pipe to the chain locker.  Be ready to catch the water with a bucket or better yet a wet vac.  If it stops up again the bilge in the chain locker (below the false floor) may be full of debris.

I found a thin 14 year old farm boy who climbed into the locker and cut a 10 x 15cm hole in the floor with a vibrating saw (sorry, I don't know what it's called).  He cleaned out the debris with a wet vac.  I screwed a plate to the piece that was removed to keep it from falling through into the bilge when it was replaced.

Even if it was just a closed valve, I'd take all your chain out of the locker and inspect it to be sure it isn't rusting.

I am guessing the Santorin is similar to the SM.

Hope that helps.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Currently Deltaville VA





Update from S/V Kristy:

Splashed yesterday, bottom painted, topsides and hull polished, all electrical issues resolved.  Ready for guests and crew!

I'm on schedule to leave Deltaville,  VA on the 25th, have 3 other crew.  Two will say and see some of Buzzards Bay for a few days, then a couple who used to own an Amel are joining me for two wks of hopping around Cape Cod.

After that no commitments until the last week of Sept when an OPO guy from NYC will join me in Long Island Sound and sail into Ny Harbour with me.  There's still room on that leg, too.

Lots of interest so I think it will start to fill up pretty quickly over the next couple of weeks.

Hope you can join me somewhere along the way.

Please reply by email so I'll have a record of who wants to join me and when.  Hard keeping everyone straight after a phone call while I'm up the mast (:
Steady as she goes.
Kent Robertson
828-234-6818


On Jul 20, 2015, at 7:58 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I am not sure because I have little experience with a Santorin, but a Super
Maramu's chain locker drains into the gray water sump. There is a valve
below the bow thruster that needs to be open for it to drain. Also, putting
muddy chain in the locker will stop up the drain...

I attached a photo of the drain valve in a SM

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe #387

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 12:42 PM, santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners] <
amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi, (SANATORIN) can anyone tell where is the draining hole of the chain
> locker and the access to it???
>
>
> I have just observed some water in the chain locker, the access to it is
> from the starboard side of front cabin (removing the plate), but the
> drainage is seem to be at the portside (into the pipe >>> into the bilge by
> the pipe coming from anchor washing pump) but no visible access from the
> chain locker side.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain Locker Drainage

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

You can clean the chain locker through the waterproof port pictured on the same page in the manual.

Let all your anchor chain out. Select the smallest crew member and send them to that port with a water hose or better a high pressure washer. You may be able to get things unclogged with just water and spraying. If not, you will have to get access through the hose and valve with a piece of rigging wire, or some other stiff wire.

Lesson: Never allow mud in the chain locker...clean the chain as you take it in. If not, you will have this problem.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Currently in Barcelona
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

Thanks B & J,

I believe it should be the same and actually spotted the pipe and the valve before, but seems like the only access to Chain locker hole is through the same joint of the pipe.

Brgds



From: Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc: santorinlo18@...
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain Locker Drainage

I am not sure because I have little experience with a Santorin, but a Super Maramu's chain locker drains into the gray water sump. There is a valve below the bow thruster that needs to be open for it to drain. Also, putting muddy chain in the locker will stop up the drain...

I attached a photo of the drain valve in a SM

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe #387

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 12:42 PM, santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi, (SANATORIN) can anyone tell where is the draining hole of the chain locker and the access to it???

I have just observed some water in the chain locker, the access to it is from the starboard side of front cabin (removing the plate), but the drainage is seem to be at the portside (into the pipe >>> into the bilge by the pipe coming from anchor washing pump) but no visible access from the chain locker side.

Thanks






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain Locker Drainage

Santorin LO
 

Thanks B & J,

I believe it should be the same and actually spotted the pipe and the valve before, but seems like the only access to Chain locker hole is through the same joint of the pipe.

Brgds



From: Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Cc: santorinlo18@...
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain Locker Drainage

I am not sure because I have little experience with a Santorin, but a Super Maramu's chain locker drains into the gray water sump. There is a valve below the bow thruster that needs to be open for it to drain. Also, putting muddy chain in the locker will stop up the drain...

I attached a photo of the drain valve in a SM

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe #387

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 12:42 PM, santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi, (SANATORIN) can anyone tell where is the draining hole of the chain locker and the access to it???

I have just observed some water in the chain locker, the access to it is from the starboard side of front cabin (removing the plate), but the drainage is seem to be at the portside (into the pipe >>> into the bilge by the pipe coming from anchor washing pump) but no visible access from the chain locker side.

Thanks






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Stay sail

Derick Gates
 

I do something slightly different to what Alan does, in that I start the tack under full sail, but then quickly let the Genoa sheets loose before furling so that there is less strain on the furler.  As he says, there is no need to completely furl the Genoa, just the majority of it so that it does not get caught on the staysail foil and backwind on the other tack.  

By the way, because Brava has staysail foil with an electric Profurl furler, the staysail is readily available to deploy using a toggle switch in the cockpit.  Of course the downside is that the staysail foil cannot be easily detached and led over to shrouds to clear the foredeck.  You pay your money and you take your choice!

Derick
SM2k#400 Brava


Engine mountreplacement

Patrick McAneny
 

I have read over the years about many owners with newer boats than mine replacing their motor mounts. My question is how do you know if your mounts need to be replaced. My boat is a 1994 and may very well have the original mounts and I have wondered if they should be replaced. I have a moderate amount of vibration ,  the same ever since I have owned the boat (8 yrs.)  I do have increased vibration when the boat rolls to port , it only happens rolling to port not to starboard , I have wondered if it was caused by back pressure on the exhaust, and is this normal. I have the Volvo TMD 22 A, and was recently on a 2003 SM with a Yanmar and it had much less vibration , thus my question . How do you know if your mounts are in need of replacing. I remember I had a car once with a broken mount , it was obvious for when you accelerated the engine would lift and the fan would hit the fan shroud, not so obvious on a boat.

Thanks

Pat SM #123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain Locker Drainage

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

How can I see the photo?

On Jul 20, 2015 7:59 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I am not sure because I have little experience with a Santorin, but a Super
Maramu's chain locker drains into the gray water sump. There is a valve
below the bow thruster that needs to be open for it to drain. Also, putting
muddy chain in the locker will stop up the drain...

I attached a photo of the drain valve in a SM

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe #387

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 12:42 PM, santorinlo18@... [amelyachtowners] <
amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi, (SANATORIN) can anyone tell where is the draining hole of the chain
> locker and the access to it???
>
>
> I have just observed some water in the chain locker, the access to it is
> from the starboard side of front cabin (removing the plate), but the
> drainage is seem to be at the portside (into the pipe >>> into the bilge by
> the pipe coming from anchor washing pump) but no visible access from the
> chain locker side.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain Locker Drainage

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I am not sure because I have little experience with a Santorin, but a Super
Maramu's chain locker drains into the gray water sump. There is a valve
below the bow thruster that needs to be open for it to drain. Also, putting
muddy chain in the locker will stop up the drain...

I attached a photo of the drain valve in a SM

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe #387

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 12:42 PM, santorinlo18@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Hi, (SANATORIN) can anyone tell where is the draining hole of the chain
locker and the access to it???


I have just observed some water in the chain locker, the access to it is
from the starboard side of front cabin (removing the plate), but the
drainage is seem to be at the portside (into the pipe >>> into the bilge by
the pipe coming from anchor washing pump) but no visible access from the
chain locker side.


Thanks





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Chain Locker Drainage

Santorin LO
 

Hi, (SANATORIN) can anyone tell where is the draining hole of the chain locker and the access to it???


I have just observed some water in the chain locker, the access to it is from the starboard side of front cabin (removing the plate), but the drainage is seem to be at the portside (into the pipe >>> into the bilge by the pipe coming from anchor washing pump) but no visible access from the chain locker side.


Thanks




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Stay sail

Alan Leslie
 

We furl the genoa to about half while still sailing, then start the tack and wind it in until maybe about 2 metres of the foot left to go and as soon as we are past the head of the wind we wind it out again.
With practice it can be done quite easily.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster motor overhaul

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Thanks - once  I return to an area with decent internet I will post some pictures in case someone finds them useful. I am not sure whether or not it was the correct thing to do in the long run - only time will tell - but I really felt we needed a working bow thruster.

Andrew
Ronpische SM 472


On 19 Jul 2015, at 18:08, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

A tour de force of DIY repairs!  Well done Andrew!  You give the rest of us courage to try the seemingly impossible.


Derick
SM2K #400 Brava


Re: Bow thruster motor overhaul

Derick Gates
 

A tour de force of DIY repairs!  Well done Andrew!  You give the rest of us courage to try the seemingly impossible.

Derick
SM2K #400 Brava


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Stay sail

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

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On Sun, 7/19/15, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@hotmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Stay sail
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2015, 3:34 AM


 

Good morning Anne Sofie,

On my boat, you can not tack nor jib without furling in the genoa.
I am single handling, so first I have to go 40 degree off the wind, furl the genoa, by the time I am done, the vessel has considerably slow down, sometime too slow (in light wind) to tack, so I go back 60 degree off the wind, regain speed then tack.
Jibing is much easier for sure, but still need to furl the genoa.

Alexandre







We don't have any inner stay. But it
is on my husbands wish list. So wecare following this
discussion with big interest.
Just a few questions. When you furl
the genoua in to make the tack, doesn't boat loose speed
then, and making it difficult to complete the tack?
My husband says that you don't furle the
whole genoua in, but aren't the sails chafing each other
in every tack then?
We
have changed the original genoua to a slightly bigger and
with a different design, and that gives us the possibility
to sail 42 degrees apparent wind ( can't convert that to
True Wind that Bill spoke off). In heavy winds
we add an extra sheet and snatch block and sheet the genoua
on the inside of the rail. Giving us some extra degrees
towards the wind. Ofcourse we cannot tack with this solution
since we only have snatch block on one side of the
boat.
/Ann-SofieS/YLady Annila
SM 232Present in Gibraltar

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från min iPad
19 jul 2015 kl.
06:29 skrev Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@xtra.co.nz
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:
















 






Thanks
Alan.Danny
  From: "divanz620@yahoo.fr
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, 19 July
2015 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Re: Stay sail



 









Hi Danny,Ours
sheeted outside the stays with a snatchblock on the forward
chain plate, the sheet actually runs between the
stays.I have seen others with tracks in the deck
and as you say a very small sail.We don't get
any improvement in point ability, in fact I would say
it's worse, BUT in big winds its a blessing.CheersAlanElyse
SM437 


































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Re: Tonnage

eamonn.washington@...
 

Hi

I am also trying to register a Super Maramu in Ireland.  They still seem to insist on a "International Tonnage Certificate (1969)" (ITC).  Amel had Super Maramu's measured by "Bureau Veritas" but not to the ITC  standard, which apparently would give a different volume (tonnage).  Most countries only require an ITC if the vessel is > 24m; for Ireland it is from 15m.

As this seems to be a major and expensive stumbling block to registering in Ireland, does anyone know if any Super Maramu anywhere ever received such a certificate?

Thanks
Eamonn
SM #151


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Stay sail

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Yes I know that, but don't use True Wind as a measurement. We use the function to sail on a wind angel, and the figures you use, and get, is apparent. 

Regards
Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

19 jul 2015 kl. 10:56 skrev 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Ann-Sofie,

The B&G Hydra will show true wind...refer to the manual.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We don't have any inner stay. But it is on my husbands wish list. So wecare following this discussion with big interest.

Just a few questions. When you furl the genoua in to make the tack, doesn't boat loose speed then, and making it difficult to complete the tack?
My husband says that you don't furle the whole genoua in, but aren't the sails chafing each other in every tack then?

We have changed the original genoua to a slightly bigger and with a different design, and that gives us the possibility to sail 42 degrees apparent wind ( can't convert that to True Wind that Bill spoke off).
 In heavy winds we add an extra sheet and snatch block and sheet the genoua on the inside of the rail. Giving us some extra degrees towards the wind. Ofcourse we cannot tack with this solution since we only have snatch block on one side of the boat.

/Ann-Sofie
S/YLady Annila SM 232
Present in Gibraltar


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19 jul 2015 kl. 06:29 skrev Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Thanks Alan.
Danny
 

From: "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2015 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Stay sail

 
Hi Danny,
Ours sheeted outside the stays with a snatchblock on the forward chain plate, the sheet actually runs between the stays.
I have seen others with tracks in the deck and as you say a very small sail.
We don't get any improvement in point ability, in fact I would say it's worse, BUT in big winds its a blessing.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Stay sail

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

For those interested last weekend we sailed a new 55 here in Newport at 28° apparent at times making as much as five or six kts with 8 to 10 apparent running both the stay sail and Genoa. The extra slot gave us a boost. 
In sea trials with 15-18 true at 28°apparent we made 9 kts plus. 
The new 55 boats put the stays inside the rail allowing closer sheeting. 
Leaving the stay sail set rolling the head sail kept the boat moving while we tacked. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On Jul 19, 2015, at 07:06, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Danny,


I should say our staysail sheet passes outboard of the main mast fwd stay, inside the main stay and aft stays, through a snatchblock shackled (3 shackles to get the sheet to lead right) to the inside of the chain plate and then through the genoa car and out to the smaller aft winches in the cockpit......so it's not totally outside

We played with having it right inside but the fwd main mast stay is the issue...

It does seem to work...

All the best to you and Yvonne....

Cheers
Alan 
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Stay sail

Alan Leslie
 

Definitely a good idea...we had that on our previous boat...
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Stay sail

Alan Leslie
 

Danny,

I should say our staysail sheet passes outboard of the main mast fwd stay, inside the main stay and aft stays, through a snatchblock shackled (3 shackles to get the sheet to lead right) to the inside of the chain plate and then through the genoa car and out to the smaller aft winches in the cockpit......so it's not totally outside

We played with having it right inside but the fwd main mast stay is the issue...

It does seem to work...

All the best to you and Yvonne....

Cheers
Alan 
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Stay sail

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ann-Sofie,

The B&G Hydra will show true wind...refer to the manual.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We don't have any inner stay. But it is on my husbands wish list. So wecare following this discussion with big interest.

Just a few questions. When you furl the genoua in to make the tack, doesn't boat loose speed then, and making it difficult to complete the tack?
My husband says that you don't furle the whole genoua in, but aren't the sails chafing each other in every tack then?

We have changed the original genoua to a slightly bigger and with a different design, and that gives us the possibility to sail 42 degrees apparent wind ( can't convert that to True Wind that Bill spoke off).
 In heavy winds we add an extra sheet and snatch block and sheet the genoua on the inside of the rail. Giving us some extra degrees towards the wind. Ofcourse we cannot tack with this solution since we only have snatch block on one side of the boat.

/Ann-Sofie
S/YLady Annila SM 232
Present in Gibraltar


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19 jul 2015 kl. 06:29 skrev Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Thanks Alan.
Danny
 

From: "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2015 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Stay sail

 
Hi Danny,
Ours sheeted outside the stays with a snatchblock on the forward chain plate, the sheet actually runs between the stays.
I have seen others with tracks in the deck and as you say a very small sail.
We don't get any improvement in point ability, in fact I would say it's worse, BUT in big winds its a blessing.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Stay sail

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

We don't have any inner stay. But it is on my husbands wish list. So wecare following this discussion with big interest.

Just a few questions. When you furl the genoua in to make the tack, doesn't boat loose speed then, and making it difficult to complete the tack?
My husband says that you don't furle the whole genoua in, but aren't the sails chafing each other in every tack then?

We have changed the original genoua to a slightly bigger and with a different design, and that gives us the possibility to sail 42 degrees apparent wind ( can't convert that to True Wind that Bill spoke off).
 In heavy winds we add an extra sheet and snatch block and sheet the genoua on the inside of the rail. Giving us some extra degrees towards the wind. Ofcourse we cannot tack with this solution since we only have snatch block on one side of the boat.

/Ann-Sofie
S/YLady Annila SM 232
Present in Gibraltar


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19 jul 2015 kl. 06:29 skrev Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Thanks Alan.
Danny
 

From: "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2015 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Stay sail

 
Hi Danny,
Ours sheeted outside the stays with a snatchblock on the forward chain plate, the sheet actually runs between the stays.
I have seen others with tracks in the deck and as you say a very small sail.
We don't get any improvement in point ability, in fact I would say it's worse, BUT in big winds its a blessing.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Stay sail

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thanks Alan.
Danny
 


From: "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2015 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Stay sail

 
Hi Danny,
Ours sheeted outside the stays with a snatchblock on the forward chain plate, the sheet actually runs between the stays.
I have seen others with tracks in the deck and as you say a very small sail.
We don't get any improvement in point ability, in fact I would say it's worse, BUT in big winds its a blessing.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437