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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Bill,    Thanks. We are looking closely at whether to cruise Turkey next year, though conscious of  an old John Wayne line about why put yourself in a place of danger, so we will see how the refugee and Daesh story unfolds. It does seem that a lot of boats have already pulled out in the last few months, which could make Turkey the bargain of the E Med.
 We are safely tucked up ashore but the Ionian could become a rather crowded sea next year.
 In the meantime, if anyone has a good story about where to re-rig, using ACMO gear, in Turkey or Greece, it would be good to know.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM302, Preveza


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 14:02:17 +0000
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu



Ian, last time I was at Emek, they had new inventory from ACMO for a Super Maramu.

I do not know the price, or whether they still have it, but it might be worth getting in touch with them...I think that they are a distributor for ACMO. I am fairly sure that EMEK subcontracts rigging work, just as Amel does at both yards. I do not know anyone that has had rigging work done at Emek.

Bill
BeBe #387
Tenerife Canary Islands

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bob,
                   I am interested to see that you are in Fethiye. Are you at the Emek yard and if so are you looking to have them rerig you ? Do you know of anyone else who has been rerigged there and if so what there experience was ? We have that in mind for next year, though we are watching the Turkish political situation carefully. My guess is that Fethiye is too far east to be involved with the refugee problems, but it would be interesting to hear from the front line,as it were.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece
 


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 02:30:13 -0800
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu



Hi Mark,
Does the €7500 include VAT?  If it is shipped to you in Turkey is their an import duty there as well?

Bob SV KAIMI 429 Fethiye, Turkey







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Aras,

All are interesting points, but the reality is that we are a group of individuals...some more interested than others and some here just to read what we post while never offering anything.

Trying to get a consensus on the majority of the 1,000+ members of this group would be impossible. Getting a majority of those responding in this thread is a possibility, but the reality is that the people who have volunteered their time have limitations that probably limits the scope of their capability. Additionally, some members that may offer direction will probably have no idea of the complexity of that request, or even if it is possible.

Let me suggest that there is no way to manage this development through group decision/discussion.

Also, it is important to remember that this Yahoo Group had a founder and has a current owner who is a member of this group.

I looked at Google Groups and I have a Google Group that is currently dormant with the same name as our current Yahoo Group. The Yahoo group offers more than Google...at least the last time I examined it in detail.

I admire Gary and Andrew for stepping up to try and do something. However, I recommend that we give them some breathing room and let them develop what they can...let them come back with the suggestions and the plan.

Best,

Bill 
BeBe 387





On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Aras Grinius n33077@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Change seems inevitable.  Technology changes, so must we if we wish to keep up.  There’s lots of discussion regarding thesechanges /proposals.  I’d like to try andsee if we might get consensus on just exactly what is being proposed.1)     There is a proposal to change the forum.  a.      Do we change the location to something likeGoogle Groups? Or some fee paid service? Or keep our current location?2)     Format changesa.      There is conversation about re-organizing thedatabase.  There seems to be a 50/50split on this.  b.     Reorganize the database to make searches easierc.      Categorize based boat systems                                                              i.     Sub categories on boat model  (Super Maramu’s  are the lions share; however all would benefitif all models were represented )d.     Standardized format for submissions                                                               i.     Based on DATE, Repair, Component /subsystem.  1.      Pictures may be an issue.                                                            ii.     Should we have a standard form to fill out forprocess of repairs?1.      Steps delineated by Step 1, Step 2, etc?2.      Narrative format?3)  Should we examine possible group for format/organization?

The above is just a suggestion for a format.   Looking forward to hearing the responses.
Aras

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] world arc

Peter Forbes
 

Yes please.

Peter

Peter Forbes
00447836 209730

On 4 Dec 2015, at 02:05, seafeverofcuan@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jamie,

          If you would like a critique of my ten day experience with The World Arc send me a private email to trevorlusty at hotmail dot com.

Regards,

Trevor


Re: Changes to Yahoo

Aras Grinius <n33077@...>
 

Change seems inevitable.  Technology changes, so must we if we wish to keep up.  There’s lots of discussion regarding thesechanges /proposals.  I’d like to try andsee if we might get consensus on just exactly what is being proposed.1)     There is a proposal to change the forum.  a.      Do we change the location to something likeGoogle Groups? Or some fee paid service? Or keep our current location?2)     Format changesa.      There is conversation about re-organizing thedatabase.  There seems to be a 50/50split on this.  b.     Reorganize the database to make searches easierc.      Categorize based boat systems                                                              i.     Sub categories on boat model  (Super Maramu’s  are the lions share; however all would benefitif all models were represented )d.     Standardized format for submissions                                                               i.     Based on DATE, Repair, Component /subsystem.  1.      Pictures may be an issue.                                                            ii.     Should we have a standard form to fill out forprocess of repairs?1.      Steps delineated by Step 1, Step 2, etc?2.      Narrative format?3)  Should we examine possible group for format/organization?

The above is just a suggestion for a format.   Looking forward to hearing the responses.
Aras



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Base for Tricolor & Anchor light Legrand 55152 55632

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Kent,

Currently I am at Blue Heaven Marina (I have to work with the internet during the week).
I am considering going in a few days to Turtle Cove (a lot cheaper), but can only enter at high tide and the marina will provide a guide to go in between the reef.

I might get the anchoring permit ($120) but since I only can visit the island on the weekend not as convenient.

Let's keep in touch, may be I end up staying longer...

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K NIKIMAT
Blue Heaven Marina, Turks & Caicos



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On Thu, 12/10/15, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Base for Tricolor & Anchor light Legrand 55152 55632
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, December 10, 2015, 5:51 PM


 









Too bad Alexandre, I won't be there
until about Jan 3.  Have you ventured out to find some good
anchorages there?
Where are you going
next?KentSM243Kristy 

Sent from my
iPhone
On Dec 10, 2015, at 2:55
PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






I had one too, it failed.

I received the new base, but haven't had the courage yet
to climb the mast...



Ken, I am in Turks & Caicos, should be leaving in 2 or 3
weeks...

if you come early, let me know.



Sincerely, Alexandre

Sm2K #289 NIKIMAT

Blue Heaven Marina, Turks & Caicos



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On Thu, 12/10/15, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Base for Tricolor &
Anchor light Legrand 55152 55632

To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Date: Thursday, December 10, 2015, 1:50 PM





 



















I had to purchase a "voltage

stabilizer" which guards against both high and low

voltages to keep the LEDs from blowing.  Since then, no

problems.KentSM243Kristy



Sent from my

iPhone

On Dec 10, 2015, at 11:36

AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:

































 













Alexandre      

 I hope you haven’t purchased this

yet. Our second unit inside of 6 months has now failed.
The

anchor light works. The tri-color unit lights up when
first

powered on and after about 2 seconds shuts off. I
haven’t

pulled the unit from the mast top yet. But, I do have

voltage going to the connections at bottom of the

mast.  I will be contacting Aqua-Signal for

a warranty replacement, again. This unit is really a
piece

of crap. It is scary to think our safety is dependent on
a

product/company with such poor QA standards.

     With best

regards,  Mark  Super Maramu

2000Hull

#275www.creampuff.usCurrently

cruising:  Green Turtle Cay, Bahamas

 From: Mark Erdos [mailto:mcerdos@gmail.com]



Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015

11:05 PM

To: 'amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com'

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Base

for Tricolor & Anchor light Legrand 55152

55632  Hi Alexandre,

 I hope you are doing well. I see you

are in the Bahamas. We are heading there in a few days.
I

hope we can meet. We will be going at it backwards and

working our way from North to South.

 When we purchased Cream Puff, it had

the original Guest tri-color fitting. It failed after 15

years of being in the sun. When I removed it the unit

crumbled in my hands. It was amazing it still lit up. It
was

also very corroded inside. We searched all over for a

comparable fitting but I believe Guest is no longer
making

lights.  We replaced the unit with one  I

purchased from Defender: mast-top tri-color w/Anchor
light

Series 34 LED model 34706-7 http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1%7C65136%7C2312550%7C2312561&id=2113738 

This was a recommendation from Bill Rouse. I believe
Amel

switch to these units on later models when they
installed

the LED.  The unit will take 12 or 24 v. I used

the existing wiring and just made the 3 connections. I
cut

back the wire to ensure I had a new clean connection. I
had

to install a new base for the new fixture. It involved

drilling new holes in the mast top and tapping the holes
for

stainless steel screws (I purchased separately). At the
top

of the mast, there is a common neg and a pos for the
anchor

light and a pos for the tri-color. These wires are
connected

to the new base and the light unit plugs into the

base.  The unit I purchased failed within a

couple of months. Aqua-signal replaced it and even paid

shipping for the return of the old unit. So far, the

replacement has been trouble free.

 Hope this

helps.  With best

regards,  Mark  Super Maramu

2000Hull

#275www.creampuff.usCurrently

cruising:  St Augustine FL













































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster motor repair?

Rick Grimes
 


Hi Pat! Yes. The estimate to service and repair was $2,400 so I figured I would use the bow thruster as little as possible until I could get some help and do it myself....but in retrospect, not a good idea.  It is a very good idea to try it again when I disconnect the shaft...but before I yank the motor...first week in January...Hope you have a Merry Christmas and look forward to crossing paths again! 

Rick 

Rick & Linda Grimes
S/V "Rascal"
SM2K (#404)
609-932-2307
Sent on the run from my iPhone

On Dec 11, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Rick, As I related to you when you had your boat here on the Sassafras, and I inspected your bow thruster. I and the mechanics at Georgetown believed that the bearings were badly worn and the gears sounded rough. I don't think you had the bow thruster serviced and it probably has salt water in it. Is it possible that  they could have seized , not allowing the motor to turn . I don't know the answer to that, but I guess it could be possible. After you detach the shaft from the motor , why don't you try the motor again and see if it spins.
Good Luck,
Pat SM Shenanigans
 
-----Original Message-----
From: rickgrimes1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2015 2:43 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster motor repair?

 
This is a Hail Mary but I'm looking to get my bow thruster motor rebuilt somewhere in San Juan, PR. My boat is in the water at Sun Bay Marina in Fajardo.  There are three or four electric motor companies that come up in a search but I have no clue who might do the work.  Does anyone have any experience with anyone in Puerto Rico who might point me in the right direction--or any advice about what to look for? 

Also, can anyone walk me through the steps to remove the bow thruster motor while keeping the bow thruster in place (while boat is in the water) if this is doable?

Steve and Liz Davis of Aloha are here and have been helping me troubleshoot and I have been corresponding with Beaute Olivier offline (who has been great).  We have concluded that the problem is in the motor itself.  I was getting a blue arc when engaging the joystick--and no motor.  Af ter eliminating potential issues related to the magnetic switches (e.g., bypassing the SP switch with a shunt), we measured the amps and volts when engaged for two seconds. It was drawing 511 amps when engaged and dropping from 26v to 21v with heat and smoke coming from the motor itself.  Conclusion: something wrong with the motor--possibly bushings or worse.  

I saw the posts from Dr Lamb? but his work (stripping down the motor and innovating a fix) is way above my skill set so I am left with taking the motor somewhere to have it repaired...

Thoughts anyone?

Rick Grimes
S/V Rascal
SM2K (#404)




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Mara Polars

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

It is not a file that you can open. It is a .pol file which is used by many programs for polars. I used it in Maxsea. I generated the .pol file from a special Excel file which generates polars.

Bill

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:08 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

I can’t seem to open this file.

Thanks

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 9:59 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Mara Polars

 

 

 

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:32 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have been using the Predict Wind program with the Iridium go phone.

It works great.

What would help would be to have the Polars for the Super Maramu millennium.

Does anyone have them?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jamie,

Isn't the same thing also caused by excessive cold cranking (non-firing cranking) which fills the muffler with salt water...then it backs into the engine? 

I have a hard time with the assumption that back pressure caused this issue because you said, it ran fine until you cut it off and it would not restart. Also, if salt water entered the combustion chambers, but never caused the engine to seize, my experience tells me that it is very likely that there is no damage. You have not found salt water in the oil, so it did not pass by the rings. 

You wrote, "...sea water has been migrating from the muffler back into raw water injection point near the turbo exhaust mixer." Are you referring to the exhaust mixing elbow where exhaust and raw water are mixed? I assume that you believe that raw water backed into the combustion chamber from the mixing exhaust elbow. Am I correct on this part?

I am not trying to be argumentative, just trying to participate in the discussion...and I am trying to learn more about this Volvo engine.

To summarize where I think that you are: 
  • You've had several experts look at your engine and none have repaired it and none have been able to get it to fire at all. 
  • You currently have a mechanic that thinks that your engine is not firing because of low compression which was caused by raw water damage from excessive exhaust back-pressure. This mechanic hasn't a single piece of hard evidence to support his theory...just salt crystals in the area seen when removing the exhaust elbow.
Am I correct on where you are?

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:51 PM, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Trevor, I will let you know if I hear more, but right now the technician (whom I trust at this point) showed me that sea water has been migrating from the muffler back into the raw water injection point near the turbo exhaust mixer. He told me that could only be caused by excessive exhaust back pressure and not the siphon break. He did look at it, but did not take anything apart. We are not certain as to how far back into the engine that water has gotten, since we would have to disassemble the engine to investigate further.
Jamie
s/v Phantom Amel 54



On Friday, December 11, 2015 3:50 AM, "seafeverofcuan@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Jamie,
          I am fairly sure that Amel swap out the older narrow type Volvo brass syphon and replace it with a Vetus 3/4" plastic one, because, on the original one, over time it is possible for salt crystals to adhere inside the narrow brass pipe blocking the airlock and rather than being a syphon break, it actually starts to suck sea water towards the turbo which will seize the turbo and wreck the inside of the engine if it goes on long enough. I have written the cheque for that one.
I keep wondering about your engine, because I have sailed with  four different Amel 54 s over a few thousand miles and also I have spent a few months on the Amel dock at La Rochelle, I have never seen or heard of a 54 or SM give any trouble via the exhaust or muffler, I am fascinated to learn how  sea water got inside your engine.
With the amount of work that you have in front of you, it is worth having a quick look at the syphon break in the scheme of things.
Best regards,
Trevor
Seafever
SM 425
Mexico




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Mara Polars

eric freedman
 

Bill,

I can’t seem to open this file.

Thanks

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 9:59 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Mara Polars

 

 

 

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:32 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have been using the Predict Wind program with the Iridium go phone.

It works great.

What would help would be to have the Polars for the Super Maramu millennium.

Does anyone have them?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Mara Polars

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:32 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have been using the Predict Wind program with the Iridium go phone.

It works great.

What would help would be to have the Polars for the Super Maramu millennium.

Does anyone have them?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

Trevor, I will let you know if I hear more, but right now the technician (whom I trust at this point) showed me that sea water has been migrating from the muffler back into the raw water injection point near the turbo exhaust mixer. He told me that could only be caused by excessive exhaust back pressure and not the siphon break. He did look at it, but did not take anything apart. We are not certain as to how far back into the engine that water has gotten, since we would have to disassemble the engine to investigate further.
Jamie
s/v Phantom Amel 54



On Friday, December 11, 2015 3:50 AM, "seafeverofcuan@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Jamie,
          I am fairly sure that Amel swap out the older narrow type Volvo brass syphon and replace it with a Vetus 3/4" plastic one, because, on the original one, over time it is possible for salt crystals to adhere inside the narrow brass pipe blocking the airlock and rather than being a syphon break, it actually starts to suck sea water towards the turbo which will seize the turbo and wreck the inside of the engine if it goes on long enough. I have written the cheque for that one.
I keep wondering about your engine, because I have sailed with  four different Amel 54 s over a few thousand miles and also I have spent a few months on the Amel dock at La Rochelle, I have never seen or heard of a 54 or SM give any trouble via the exhaust or muffler, I am fascinated to learn how  sea water got inside your engine.
With the amount of work that you have in front of you, it is worth having a quick look at the syphon break in the scheme of things.
Best regards,
Trevor
Seafever
SM 425
Mexico



Super Mara Polars

eric freedman
 

I have been using the Predict Wind program with the Iridium go phone.

It works great.

What would help would be to have the Polars for the Super Maramu millennium.

Does anyone have them?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: wasi anchor

joseph mc donnell
 

Christoph
                Just wondering if you are still looking for an anchor. The German on-line  Chanderly SVB is selling a galvanised Wasi/bugel type called the Scorpio.Theres one at 42 kg and costing 320euros, its a good size for a Santorin. but the nice thing is that they will post it to the EU mainland countries for 40euros.    


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster motor repair?

Patrick McAneny
 

Rick, As I related to you when you had your boat here on the Sassafras, and I inspected your bow thruster. I and the mechanics at Georgetown believed that the bearings were badly worn and the gears sounded rough. I don't think you had the bow thruster serviced and it probably has salt water in it. Is it possible that  they could have seized , not allowing the motor to turn . I don't know the answer to that, but I guess it could be possible. After you detach the shaft from the motor , why don't you try the motor again and see if it spins.
Good Luck,
Pat SM Shenanigans
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rickgrimes1@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2015 2:43 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster motor repair?

 
This is a Hail Mary but I'm looking to get my bow thruster motor rebuilt somewhere in San Juan, PR. My boat is in the water at Sun Bay Marina in Fajardo.  There are three or four electric motor companies that come up in a search but I have no clue who might do the work.  Does anyone have any experience with anyone in Puerto Rico who might point me in the right direction--or any advice about what to look for? 

Also, can anyone walk me through the steps to remove the bow thruster motor while keeping the bow thruster in place (while boat is in the water) if this is doable?

Steve and Liz Davis of Aloha are here and have been helping me troubleshoot and I have been corresponding with Beaute Olivier offline (who has been great).  We have concluded that the problem is in the motor itself.  I was getting a blue arc when engaging the joystick--and no motor.  Af ter eliminating potential issues related to the magnetic switches (e.g., bypassing the SP switch with a shunt), we measured the amps and volts when engaged for two seconds. It was drawing 511 amps when engaged and dropping from 26v to 21v with heat and smoke coming from the motor itself.  Conclusion: something wrong with the motor--possibly bushings or worse.  

I saw the posts from Dr Lamb? but his work (stripping down the motor and innovating a fix) is way above my skill set so I am left with taking the motor somewhere to have it repaired...

Thoughts anyone?

Rick Grimes
S/V Rascal
SM2K (#404)




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Marine Electronics: Combine Old & New

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I like the Raymarine 7001+ for all of the pages of information it is capable of displaying. We use SOG, SOW, COG and DEPTH more that the others. 

It is simple to connect NMEA out from a G&G FFD to the NMEA in on the back of the control head. There is also NMEA in on the course computer, but I had some issue with that connected and reverted to the control head.

Wen you are maneuvering in close quarters and shallow waters, a glance at the large 2" display of depth on the 7001+ is remarkably easy. Also when passage making, being able to see the SOW in decimal makes it easier to determine the result of very minor sail trim.

But, of course, since we are a NMEA 0183 boat, we do not have those wonderful Triton displays! :<(


Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 11:00 AM, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We have 

B&G Zeus (2013), 
B&G Zeus2 (2015), and three Triton displays (2013)
onboard and we've been able to get the 
Raytheon ST7000+ (2002) autopilot head and the 
Raytheon T-300 (2002) autopilot computer (both of which are Amel factory installations) to get and display items such as depth, SOG, LAT, LON, BTW, DTW, waypoint name, AWS, AWA, and wind force.  

Other items, such as local time, for example, even though "enabled", do not display correctly on the ST7000+.  So we've simply disabled the ST7000+ "time" page and it is skipped when one goes from display page to display page.

Same thing happens with the Furuno RD-30 (2002), which is also factory original.

Cheerio,


Peregrinus
Odyssey Marina, Seville



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ian, last time I was at Emek, they had new inventory from ACMO for a Super Maramu.

I do not know the price, or whether they still have it, but it might be worth getting in touch with them...I think that they are a distributor for ACMO. I am fairly sure that EMEK subcontracts rigging work, just as Amel does at both yards. I do not know anyone that has had rigging work done at Emek.

Bill
BeBe #387
Tenerife Canary Islands

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bob,
                   I am interested to see that you are in Fethiye. Are you at the Emek yard and if so are you looking to have them rerig you ? Do you know of anyone else who has been rerigged there and if so what there experience was ? We have that in mind for next year, though we are watching the Turkish political situation carefully. My guess is that Fethiye is too far east to be involved with the refugee problems, but it would be interesting to hear from the front line,as it were.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece
 


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 02:30:13 -0800
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu



Hi Mark,
Does the €7500 include VAT?  If it is shipped to you in Turkey is their an import duty there as well?

Bob SV KAIMI 429 Fethiye, Turkey




PHRF amel mango

Jessica Haas <jhaas627@...>
 

Hey guys looking for information on and best way to get PHRF for my 82 Amel Mango.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Bob,
                   I am interested to see that you are in Fethiye. Are you at the Emek yard and if so are you looking to have them rerig you ? Do you know of anyone else who has been rerigged there and if so what there experience was ? We have that in mind for next year, though we are watching the Turkish political situation carefully. My guess is that Fethiye is too far east to be involved with the refugee problems, but it would be interesting to hear from the front line,as it were.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece
 


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 02:30:13 -0800
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu



Hi Mark,
Does the €7500 include VAT?  If it is shipped to you in Turkey is their an import duty there as well?

Bob SV KAIMI 429 Fethiye, Turkey



Re: YachtingWorld story about Amel

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Good catch Bill!

I have to say, however, that Ms. Bunting's numbers are wrong.

She says: "And when a yard has built and provided after sales service for over 2,000 boats"
 
The correct number is "over 3,000 boats".  

When the last Super Maramu was built, the number was 2 937 boats, ranging from Mistral to Euros to Santorin.  And that was a decade ago.  

I believe they've since built a number of '54, '55, and '64...


Cheerio,


Peregrinus
SM#350
Docked at Odyssey Marina, Sevilla


Re: How to remove steering wheel

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Many thanks to Olivier and Alain.

Olivier, we met in La Rochelle this July when you came onboard to take the pictures of the alignment process for the engine/shaft.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K #350
Docked at Odyssey Marina, Seville