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Bow thruster motor overhaul

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Hi all

When leaving the port a couple of days ago it became apparent that the bow thruster had stopped working - the solenoids are activating on moving the joystick from port and starboard and I verified that there was the correct voltages going to the motor according to the circuit diagram - I have therefore concluded that the bow thruster motor has malfunctioned so have removed it and fixed the shaft up with wires and a pulley. Before I did this I dived and checked the bow thruster propellor was not snagged and that I could turn the blades freely.
I could not find anyone having attempted an overhaul of this motor on the forum - does anyone have any experience of this?

Thanks

Andrew

Ronpische
SM 472


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Holding Tanks

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Ian,

I have installed a single tank in the forward heads… behind the panel in the aft section.  Leaves the forward area for usual knick knacks.

Had to run pipes etc as my boat was not piped for “blackwater” and I doubt yours is either.  Unless OZ forces you to a full black water management, I would only install one.  (The fish seem to love the stuff… :-)  

GL

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007



On 14 Jul 2015, at 11:35, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

They are behind the toilets. In the mid left (aft) storage you can see the pipes. But maybee you don't have any. Do you have the round black 'lid' on deck just above the heads very close to the rail? They are ventilation and deck empting devices for the tanks.

Regards
Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232#

Skickat från min iPad

13 jul 2015 kl. 21:44 skrev francesringley@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Any advice regarding the best place to locate aft and fwd head holding tanks on our SM? 


Thanks all.


Ian Townsend

SM153

Loca Lola II




Jean-Pierre Germain,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Holding Tanks

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

They are behind the toilets. In the mid left (aft) storage you can see the pipes. But maybee you don't have any. Do you have the round black 'lid' on deck just above the heads very close to the rail? They are ventilation and deck empting devices for the tanks.

Regards
Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232#

Skickat från min iPad

13 jul 2015 kl. 21:44 skrev francesringley@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Any advice regarding the best place to locate aft and fwd head holding tanks on our SM? 


Thanks all.


Ian Townsend

SM153

Loca Lola II


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Oil Drain Plug

yahoogroups@...
 

I changed the subject line from "Hi Oliver" to C Drive Oil Drain Plug so that it is searchable at a later date.

As previously stated, The oil drain plug bolt is 20mm and it has coarse threads, not fine threads. It is made of bronze...its threaded length is 25mm then it has a collar with an O ring...the collar is 30mm.

I posted a photo in the photo album titled C Drive

Bill
BeBe 387
Barcelona
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hi Olivier

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

The oil drain plug bolt is 20mm and it has coarse threads, not fine threads. It is made of bronze...its threaded length is 25mm then it has a collar with an O ring...the collar is 30mm.

I will post a photo later today.

Bill
BeBe 387
Barcelona

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I have the bolt Olivier is speaking of and I will measure it tomorrow, but Eric was also asking about the thread pitch. I will not be able to tell, but my guess is that it would be standard metric.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jul 13, 2015 9:38 PM, "Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Eric,

no I don't know but I will try to get the information asap.
In between, you may be able to get the information from someone who is aboard his (her) Super Maramu with a SPURS rope-cutter (???!!!).
When AMEL originally mounted a SPURS rope-cutter, as the fixed blade is inserted in a specific stainless steel oil drain plug/bolt, the original bronze oil drain plug was put aboard with the original batch of spare parts.
If the "SPURS SM" owners dig in their spare parts boxes, they may find this bolt...

Olivier



On Monday, July 13, 2015 7:14 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Hi Olivier,
Do you happen to know what is the thread on the oil change plug for the C-Drive?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 




broken spurrs

eric freedman
 

Stationary part is now $200-

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 9:10 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thank you Kent !!! Loose bolt in C-drive and broken spurrs

 

 

Good morning Bill,

In September 2013:
Spurs Zinc B was $12
Spurs Bearing Kit B was $13
Spurs B Plugs + Screws set of 2 were $3.00

In March 2015:
Reconditioning of the Spurs B was $125
Spare Spurs B Stationary cutter half with blade was $150
New Spurs B system was $475

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Grand Bahama

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On Sun, 7/12/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thank you Kent !!! Loose bolt in C-drive and broken spurrs
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, July 12, 2015, 12:00 AM


 









Spurs sells what I think is an
overhaul kit which contains the two halves, new plastic
inserts, small bolts for the two halves, and possibly a
zinc. I cannot remember the price, but I thought it was
high.
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

Sent from my tablet

+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile

+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On Jul 12, 2015 1:26
AM, "sailormon kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Hi,I hauled Kimberlite
today to fix some water intrusion in the
C-Drive.After reading what you
had done and some of Olivier’s explanation as to what was
hiding under that black silicone button on the foot of the
C-drive.
I cur away the silicone and found
the bolt in question. I was amazed to find that it was loose
enough that I could turn it with my fingers. I tightened it
with a 30 mm socket that I use for the prop
puller.I was wondering if it
can be removed and put a thread sealant on it, Also, in the
past when I used a lot of silicone to close something up ,
It took many days to harden. Is there something special that
you used to seal the bolt? When taking the spurs
line cutter off the shaft I also noted that one of the two
small cap screws was missing along with a piece of the spurs
unit.Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376   
 






























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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hi Olivier

eric freedman
 

Hi Olivier,

I have the V shaped bolt in my sail drive.. I was looking to find a matching piece of pipe to make a longer drain for the C-Drive. I do have the Spurs line cutter but I did not receive the drain plug when I took delivery.

.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 3:38 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hi Olivier

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

no I don't know but I will try to get the information asap.

In between, you may be able to get the information from someone who is aboard his (her) Super Maramu with a SPURS rope-cutter (???!!!).

When AMEL originally mounted a SPURS rope-cutter, as the fixed blade is inserted in a specific stainless steel oil drain plug/bolt, the original bronze oil drain plug was put aboard with the original batch of spare parts.

If the "SPURS SM" owners dig in their spare parts boxes, they may find this bolt...

 

Olivier

 

 

On Monday, July 13, 2015 7:14 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Olivier,

Do you happen to know what is the thread on the oil change plug for the C-Drive?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan MDKAL - Generator Bearing Replacement

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Duane,

Last March in Fort Lauderdale, I had an Onan mechanic doing the 5 years service: which (in addition to oil change, fuel filter, coolant, belt, etc.) also says to change the bearings and adjust the valve lash, plus I wanted everything checked.
The mechanic said my genset was very well take care off, no rust, looks like new (less than 2000 hours), checked the valve lash which was good, then check the bearing and said there was no need.
BUT, to change them, I would have had to remove the hot water tank to access the generator.
http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html

The service manuals says a trained mechanic should do these. I wouldn’t attempt myself. I wouldn’t even use someone not trained for that.
I used a mechanic from Onan itself. Price was high, but the quality was excellent.
I had actually a quote from another company that worked on my Volvo, and their price was twice as high… probably because they didn’t know what they were doing (like they demonstrated working on my volvo).

Wish I could help more…

Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Flamingo Marina, Grand Bahama


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On Mon, 7/13/15, sailor63109@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan MDKAL - Generator Bearing Replacement
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 13, 2015, 4:35 PM


 









In the Onan Service Manual they recommend replacing
the Generator Bearing every 5 years.  Can anyone relate
their experience in this bit of work?  Hard, easy,
somewhere in between?  It doesn't seem like a big job
but, I've thought that about several tight spots I got
myself into!
DuaneWanderer #477









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Onan MDKAL - Generator Bearing Replacement

Duane Siegfri
 

In the Onan Service Manual they recommend replacing the Generator Bearing every 5 years.  Can anyone relate their experience in this bit of work?  Hard, easy, somewhere in between?  It doesn't seem like a big job but, I've thought that about several tight spots I got myself into!

Duane
Wanderer #477


SM Holding Tanks

francesringley@...
 

Any advice regarding the best place to locate aft and fwd head holding tanks on our SM? 


Thanks all.


Ian Townsend

SM153

Loca Lola II


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hi Olivier

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I have the bolt Olivier is speaking of and I will measure it tomorrow, but Eric was also asking about the thread pitch. I will not be able to tell, but my guess is that it would be standard metric.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Jul 13, 2015 9:38 PM, "Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Eric,

no I don't know but I will try to get the information asap.
In between, you may be able to get the information from someone who is aboard his (her) Super Maramu with a SPURS rope-cutter (???!!!).
When AMEL originally mounted a SPURS rope-cutter, as the fixed blade is inserted in a specific stainless steel oil drain plug/bolt, the original bronze oil drain plug was put aboard with the original batch of spare parts.
If the "SPURS SM" owners dig in their spare parts boxes, they may find this bolt...

Olivier



On Monday, July 13, 2015 7:14 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Hi Olivier,
Do you happen to know what is the thread on the oil change plug for the C-Drive?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hi Olivier

Beaute Olivier
 

Hi Eric,

no I don't know but I will try to get the information asap.
In between, you may be able to get the information from someone who is aboard his (her) Super Maramu with a SPURS rope-cutter (???!!!).
When AMEL originally mounted a SPURS rope-cutter, as the fixed blade is inserted in a specific stainless steel oil drain plug/bolt, the original bronze oil drain plug was put aboard with the original batch of spare parts.
If the "SPURS SM" owners dig in their spare parts boxes, they may find this bolt...

Olivier



On Monday, July 13, 2015 7:14 PM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi Olivier,
Do you happen to know what is the thread on the oil change plug for the C-Drive?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 



Hi Olivier

eric freedman
 

Hi Olivier,

Do you happen to know what is the thread on the oil change plug for the C-Drive?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ONAN FAULT BRAKER

karkauai
 

Hi Paul, you can usually tell if the impeller is the problem just by feeling the cover plate over it.  When the engine is running it should feel cool.  If it's warm to touch the impeller is probably going bad.

Be sure to clean broken impeller blades from the hose and heat exchanger just downstream from the raw water pump.

Steady as she goes.
Kent
SN243
Kristy




On Jul 13, 2015, at 6:51 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Found the problem, broken impeller, but there are no flash indicating what problem
Thank you
SY Kerpa


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ONAN FAULT BRAKER

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

The elbow will need a new gasket (GASKET-EXH OUT CONN Part# 0185-6853) because the old one will be compressed, and sometimes the end caps and gasket can be reused, but don't try it until you have a spare, unless you need to. I always have 2 end caps and gaskes and o rings, sold as a kit with 1 end cap, gasket and o ring in each kit (Heat Exchanger Cap Kit Part# 130-5176). NOTE: Parts numbers above for a Onan Model MDKAV, but I think they are the same on yours...you should check this. 

Ok, you have an older Onan model than I thought you had. 

That switch will open with too high heat (water & exhaust) and too low current or too low of oil pressure. You say that your impeller is faulty...but you could also have:
  • clogged water line to the Onan
  • heat exchanger clogged
  • the mixing exhaust elbow is clogged. 
It could be just the impeller, but if that impeller is less than 12 months old, and/or less than 250 hours you will likely have at least one more issue...one more of the issues I described above. 

The missing impeller blades will be inside the outlet from the water pump and inside the "water pump end" of the heat exchanger. Best to use a wet/dry vacuum. 

GENERAL PROCEDURE FOR REMOVING LOOSE BLADES ON THE ONAN:
Cut off the saltwater flow to the Onan (normally at the sea-chest main valve) and with the wet/dry vacuum running, remove the outlet hose from the water pump. Suck the water and debris out of the water pump outlet, then out of the hose.The wet/dry vacuum will suck all of the residual water that is currently in the lines, water pump and heat exchanger...this could be as much as 4 liters. Now with the wet/vac running remove the heat exchanger end cap (but I would not remove it unless you have a spare...these are fragile and yours may break when removed).  If you do not have a wet/vac, do something to take care of all of the saltwater you are going to get. Once you have the end cap completely off, continue with the wet/vac sucking debris from the exchanger...then inspect the wet vac for blades. If you do not have a wet/vac, the job of finding these blades will be much more difficult using picks and pliers, etc. You may find more blades than you are missing because previous impeller failures did not find blades.

While you have the heat exchanger empty of water is a good time to replace the zinc on the heat exchanger.

You should be sure that the line from the sea chest to the Onan is free and clear...look at these 5 or 6 photos for reference: 

Bill
BeBe

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 2:40 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thank you
Can I reuse the gaskets after cleaning the heat exchanger and elbow?
Sy Kerpa



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ONAN FAULT BRAKER

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you
Can I reuse the gaskets after cleaning the heat exchanger and elbow?
Sy Kerpa


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ONAN FAULT BRAKER

Beaute Olivier
 

Good afternoon Paul,

your generator is a different kind as the later ones (like Bill's). When the fault breaker trips, this is mainly because of 4 possible problems:
-too high temperature on cooling fluid
-too high temperature at exhaust pipe
-not enough oil pressure
-no charge from the 12V alternator

So before resetting the small red knob, check:
-cooling fluid level and fan belt (driving the cooling fluid circulator)
-seawater flow (therefore, impeller and heat exchanger tubings)
-oil level
-alternator belt and wiring

Now that you have found the cause (broken impeller) of the fault breaker to trip, as your impeller was rather new, you should inspect the whole seawater circuit, especially at heat exchanger intake, where pieces of rubber impeller may have collected and prevent a good water flow (and then cause the impeller to destroy because it forces).
If you can't find any piece of rubber or dirt, you should check the exhaust elbow where seawater mixes with exhaust gas. It may be partly clogged with soot (according to the engine hours and age).

Have a good working day!

Olivier



On Monday, July 13, 2015 12:51 PM, "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Found the problem, broken impeller, but there are no flash indicating what problem
Thank you
SY Kerpa



Re: ONAN FAULT BRAKER

Paul Osterberg
 

Found the problem, broken impeller, but there are no flash indicating what problem
Thank you
SY Kerpa


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN FAULT BRAKER

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

I think that you are talking about the *Emergency Stop Switch*, if it is on
the front panel. There should also be a DC voltage breaker on the front
panel. The AC line breaker (breaker that an over-load would cause to open).
While you are facing the front of the Onan, the AC line breaker is on the
left side, near the rear.

Is switch (breaker) that is opening labeled "Emergency Stop Switch?" See
the attached photo.

If this switch is opening, it probably is a faulty switch because as far as
I know, the switch is designed for the owner to cut the generator OFF in an
emergency or to keep it OFF when servicing. BTW, I sometimes accidentally
hit this switch when I am in the engine room while the generator is not
running. The next time I try to start the generator, nothing happens. It
took me a while to solve this the first time.

Let me know

Bill
BeBe 387
Currently Barcelona

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Paul Österberg <osterberg.paul.l@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello Bill
The fault breaker that "close down " is the tiny red one with a
transparent rubber cover between engine hour counter and the starter switch
on the Onan
I have currently 1320 h on the genset new fuel filters and impeller
When it stops i does it very suddenly
It looks as adequate amount of cooling water is comming
But general felling it is a hot engine
Could it be the heatexchanger?
Regards
PAUL SY Kerpa


Amel Mango Bow Thruster removal.

Peter Buckley <carhartt@...>
 

Hi All,
I have recently purchased Gradiva Mango # 70 From Marc Arav in Noumea. She is an amazing well kept yacht and I am sure Marc was sad to see her go.
So now I am tasked with the on going maintenance  of her. 
I have searched the group and cannot find any Mango specific bow thruster removal procedure listed there. Is there an Amel published procedure in English that I can obtain from Amel or any owner that has completed this task.
Thank you in anticipation.
Regards
Peter 

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Phone: 0428 427 786

Email: carhartt@...