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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh Water Pump / expansion tank - IDRO ECOINOX

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Andrew,

Pinmar Supply in Barcelona sells this pump. Do you want me to ask them what needs to be replaced if the expansion tank fails? Maybe just the membrane?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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We have an IDRO ECOINOX combined pump and water expansion tank unit installed – we don’t have the standard expansion tank fitted behind the hot water heater. We now have the water pump rapidly cycling when running water – I assume therefore there is a problem with the expansion tank. I wondered if anyone else had this sort of pump installed and had any manuals / tech information on it – We don’t seem to have any in the boat manuals and there is a dearth of information on the internet. I would guess an option might be to fit a standard expansion tank behind the hot water heater but I am not sure of the size and manufacturer of what is fitted as standard in the earlier Amels?

 

Thanks

 

Andrew

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon


Re: Empty black water tank from the deck plug

rossirossix4
 

Plus put something to pry against to protect the deck. Pry carefully.
Bob KAIMI SM 429


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fresh Water Pump / expansion tank - IDRO ECOINOX

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Bill

Many thanks - very helpful - I am now away from the boat for several weeks but will investigate further on my return.

Andrew

SM472


On 23 Aug 2015, at 16:03, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Accumulator tanks can be purchased any shop that sells water pump systems for home and farm. If I were you, I'd buy one that is 4-6 liters, assuming you can find a place to mount it.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Aug 23, 2015 4:01 PM, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

OK, my mistake...I missed "when running water."

The possibilities are no accumulation of pressure because the pressure membrane is leaking, or pressure switch failing.

Assuming that you have a pressure gauge and that the pressure when the pump turns off is about 2 bar, turn the breaker OFF, then watch the pressure gauge as you turn on a tap. If you lose pressure immediately, it is the accumulator.

Accumulator tanks seem to work best when they are near the source of pressurization, but you should be able to mount one anywhere convenient. The air pressure in the tank should be set to about 90% of the pump cut-off pressure.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Aug 23, 2015 3:50 PM, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Andrew,

All pressurized system water pumps have a one-way valve on the input side of the pump. This allows water into the pump, but keeps it from going back into the tank and the pressurized system loosing pressure. It is very possible that the cycling is caused by trash in the valve holding it open, or by a worn valve. These are normally brass pipe fittings, usually with 1/2" pipe fittings...even the EU pumps.

You are either loosing pressure, or you have a bad pressure switch. Pressure switches normally do not fail with on/off charistics, so my guess is that your losing pressure.

You can probably test if the one way valve is working by simply removing the input hose. If you get water coming back at you from the pump, it is the valve. These brass one way valves are common to almost any plumbing supplier.

Let me know if this helps you.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Aug 23, 2015 12:58 PM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Andrew,

We don't have an expansion tank behind the hot water cylinder, just the one on the fresh water pump.
My experience if the pump is cycling on and off is 
1. there's a leak somewhere causing the pressure to drop
2. the membrane in the pressure vessel is ruptured and the whole system is full of water - replace the membrane. 
3. least likely, the pressure switch is faulty....
Hope that might help
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Newport Rhode Island

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Kent,

If you are still at Woods Hole, I am headed down there today to visit the family beach house.  If you email me (derickgates "at" comcast "dot" net I would be happy to come and collect you and give you a tour.  It seems a bit of a gray day for the beach, but I know of a great clam shack at the head of Falmouth Harbor.

Derick
SM2K#400 Brava
Currently on the hard in Antigua



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fresh Water Pump / expansion tank - IDRO ECOINOX

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Accumulator tanks can be purchased any shop that sells water pump systems for home and farm. If I were you, I'd buy one that is 4-6 liters, assuming you can find a place to mount it.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 23, 2015 4:01 PM, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

OK, my mistake...I missed "when running water."

The possibilities are no accumulation of pressure because the pressure membrane is leaking, or pressure switch failing.

Assuming that you have a pressure gauge and that the pressure when the pump turns off is about 2 bar, turn the breaker OFF, then watch the pressure gauge as you turn on a tap. If you lose pressure immediately, it is the accumulator.

Accumulator tanks seem to work best when they are near the source of pressurization, but you should be able to mount one anywhere convenient. The air pressure in the tank should be set to about 90% of the pump cut-off pressure.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 23, 2015 3:50 PM, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Andrew,

All pressurized system water pumps have a one-way valve on the input side of the pump. This allows water into the pump, but keeps it from going back into the tank and the pressurized system loosing pressure. It is very possible that the cycling is caused by trash in the valve holding it open, or by a worn valve. These are normally brass pipe fittings, usually with 1/2" pipe fittings...even the EU pumps.

You are either loosing pressure, or you have a bad pressure switch. Pressure switches normally do not fail with on/off charistics, so my guess is that your losing pressure.

You can probably test if the one way valve is working by simply removing the input hose. If you get water coming back at you from the pump, it is the valve. These brass one way valves are common to almost any plumbing supplier.

Let me know if this helps you.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 23, 2015 12:58 PM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Andrew,

We don't have an expansion tank behind the hot water cylinder, just the one on the fresh water pump.
My experience if the pump is cycling on and off is 
1. there's a leak somewhere causing the pressure to drop
2. the membrane in the pressure vessel is ruptured and the whole system is full of water - replace the membrane. 
3. least likely, the pressure switch is faulty....
Hope that might help
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fresh Water Pump / expansion tank - IDRO ECOINOX

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

OK, my mistake...I missed "when running water."

The possibilities are no accumulation of pressure because the pressure membrane is leaking, or pressure switch failing.

Assuming that you have a pressure gauge and that the pressure when the pump turns off is about 2 bar, turn the breaker OFF, then watch the pressure gauge as you turn on a tap. If you lose pressure immediately, it is the accumulator.

Accumulator tanks seem to work best when they are near the source of pressurization, but you should be able to mount one anywhere convenient. The air pressure in the tank should be set to about 90% of the pump cut-off pressure.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 23, 2015 3:50 PM, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Andrew,

All pressurized system water pumps have a one-way valve on the input side of the pump. This allows water into the pump, but keeps it from going back into the tank and the pressurized system loosing pressure. It is very possible that the cycling is caused by trash in the valve holding it open, or by a worn valve. These are normally brass pipe fittings, usually with 1/2" pipe fittings...even the EU pumps.

You are either loosing pressure, or you have a bad pressure switch. Pressure switches normally do not fail with on/off charistics, so my guess is that your losing pressure.

You can probably test if the one way valve is working by simply removing the input hose. If you get water coming back at you from the pump, it is the valve. These brass one way valves are common to almost any plumbing supplier.

Let me know if this helps you.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 23, 2015 12:58 PM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Andrew,

We don't have an expansion tank behind the hot water cylinder, just the one on the fresh water pump.
My experience if the pump is cycling on and off is 
1. there's a leak somewhere causing the pressure to drop
2. the membrane in the pressure vessel is ruptured and the whole system is full of water - replace the membrane. 
3. least likely, the pressure switch is faulty....
Hope that might help
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fresh Water Pump / expansion tank - IDRO ECOINOX

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Oh, and I assumed that you looked and could not find any running water from an open tap or line.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 23, 2015 3:50 PM, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Andrew,

All pressurized system water pumps have a one-way valve on the input side of the pump. This allows water into the pump, but keeps it from going back into the tank and the pressurized system loosing pressure. It is very possible that the cycling is caused by trash in the valve holding it open, or by a worn valve. These are normally brass pipe fittings, usually with 1/2" pipe fittings...even the EU pumps.

You are either loosing pressure, or you have a bad pressure switch. Pressure switches normally do not fail with on/off charistics, so my guess is that your losing pressure.

You can probably test if the one way valve is working by simply removing the input hose. If you get water coming back at you from the pump, it is the valve. These brass one way valves are common to almost any plumbing supplier.

Let me know if this helps you.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 23, 2015 12:58 PM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Andrew,

We don't have an expansion tank behind the hot water cylinder, just the one on the fresh water pump.
My experience if the pump is cycling on and off is 
1. there's a leak somewhere causing the pressure to drop
2. the membrane in the pressure vessel is ruptured and the whole system is full of water - replace the membrane. 
3. least likely, the pressure switch is faulty....
Hope that might help
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fresh Water Pump / expansion tank - IDRO ECOINOX

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Andrew,

All pressurized system water pumps have a one-way valve on the input side of the pump. This allows water into the pump, but keeps it from going back into the tank and the pressurized system loosing pressure. It is very possible that the cycling is caused by trash in the valve holding it open, or by a worn valve. These are normally brass pipe fittings, usually with 1/2" pipe fittings...even the EU pumps.

You are either loosing pressure, or you have a bad pressure switch. Pressure switches normally do not fail with on/off charistics, so my guess is that your losing pressure.

You can probably test if the one way valve is working by simply removing the input hose. If you get water coming back at you from the pump, it is the valve. These brass one way valves are common to almost any plumbing supplier.

Let me know if this helps you.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 23, 2015 12:58 PM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Andrew,

We don't have an expansion tank behind the hot water cylinder, just the one on the fresh water pump.
My experience if the pump is cycling on and off is 
1. there's a leak somewhere causing the pressure to drop
2. the membrane in the pressure vessel is ruptured and the whole system is full of water - replace the membrane. 
3. least likely, the pressure switch is faulty....
Hope that might help
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive shaft seals and wear bearing - don't do what I did

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Alan

Thanks - they are almost fully in but on the mizzen the last batten is so close to the clew that it is out of the mast - will try again paying more attention to tension.

Andrew


On 23 Aug 2015, at 13:14, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Andrew,


I can't find your original message..
I've had DV Hydranet sails with vertical battens for 2 years and not had any problems with furling them into the masts. The UV protection provided is adequate.
After about 5000 miles there is no apparent wear on the batten pockets and the sails are as good as new.
The ONLY issue we have had is the attachment of the leech cord at the head of the sail....it would cause the head of the sail to roll over when it was furled. I've since taken their attachment hardware off the head of the sail and sewed the loop of the leech cord end flat onto the head of the sail.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive shaft seals and wear bearing - don't do what I did

Alan Leslie
 

Andrew,

I can't find your original message..
I've had DV Hydranet sails with vertical battens for 2 years and not had any problems with furling them into the masts. The UV protection provided is adequate.
After about 5000 miles there is no apparent wear on the batten pockets and the sails are as good as new.
The ONLY issue we have had is the attachment of the leech cord at the head of the sail....it would cause the head of the sail to roll over when it was furled. I've since taken their attachment hardware off the head of the sail and sewed the loop of the leech cord end flat onto the head of the sail.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fresh Water Pump / expansion tank - IDRO ECOINOX

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Hi Alan

Thanks - sounds like the membrane as it doesn't cycle unless a tap is switched on.

Andrew
SM472

On 23 Aug 2015, at 12:58, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Andrew,

We don't have an expansion tank behind the hot water cylinder, just the one on the fresh water pump.
My experience if the pump is cycling on and off is 
1. there's a leak somewhere causing the pressure to drop
2. the membrane in the pressure vessel is ruptured and the whole system is full of water - replace the membrane. 
3. least likely, the pressure switch is faulty....
Hope that might help
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Fresh Water Pump / expansion tank - IDRO ECOINOX

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Andrew,
We don't have an expansion tank behind the hot water cylinder, just the one on the fresh water pump.
My experience if the pump is cycling on and off is 
1. there's a leak somewhere causing the pressure to drop
2. the membrane in the pressure vessel is ruptured and the whole system is full of water - replace the membrane. 
3. least likely, the pressure switch is faulty....
Hope that might help
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Empty black water tank from the deck plug

Alan Leslie
 

Paul,
Do you have a black deck plug ?
If so, it will only be stuck, lever it out around the edge, it will come...there's nothing holding it in except friction.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Fresh Water Pump / expansion tank - IDRO ECOINOX

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

We have an IDRO ECOINOX combined pump and water expansion tank unit installed – we don’t have the standard expansion tank fitted behind the hot water heater. We now have the water pump rapidly cycling when running water – I assume therefore there is a problem with the expansion tank. I wondered if anyone else had this sort of pump installed and had any manuals / tech information on it – We don’t seem to have any in the boat manuals and there is a dearth of information on the internet. I would guess an option might be to fit a standard expansion tank behind the hot water heater but I am not sure of the size and manufacturer of what is fitted as standard in the earlier Amels?

 

Thanks

 

Andrew

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Empty black water tank from the deck plug

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

I believe that there are several types of black water access ports on SM's. BeBe 387 simply unscrews and the piece that you unscrew looks similar to the fuel or water ports.

Maybe a photo of what you have is needed.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 10:28 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

As a new owner I wonder how do one open the deck plug for the black water tank?

mine looks as they newer have been opened and are stuck

Paul on SYKerpa SM#259



Empty black water tank from the deck plug

Paul Osterberg
 

As a new owner I wonder how do one open the deck plug for the black water tank?

mine looks as they newer have been opened and are stuck

Paul on SYKerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Newport Rhode Island

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

Go to portsmouth 

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Aug 22, 2015, at 10:35 AM, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,
Will be going from WoodsHole to Newport RI where I'll spend a week or so. Does anyone have a favorite anchorage/mooring/marina in the area? I have some Stainless work to do while there, anyone have experience with a shop they would recommend?

Thanks,
Kent


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Newport Rhode Island

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi Kent the folks at New England Boatworks are the best. 
I'm here give a call 
Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On Aug 22, 2015, at 10:34, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,
Will be going from WoodsHole to Newport RI where I'll spend a week or so. Does anyone have a favorite anchorage/mooring/marina in the area? I have some Stainless work to do while there, anyone have experience with a shop they would recommend?

Thanks,
Kent


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Newport Rhode Island

Mark Pitt
 

Hi Kent,

I have always enjoyed Potter Cove on the east side of Prudence Island. The ASM is too big to go into the cove, so anchor just south of the cove entrance in thick mud bottom. Or pick up a transient mooring in Bristol Harbor and visit the Americas Cup / Herreshoff Museum and dine at Quito's.

Best,

Mark
Sabbatical III (Turkey)

On Aug 22, 2015, at 4:34 PM, karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi all,
Will be going from WoodsHole to Newport RI where I'll spend a week or so. Does anyone have a favorite anchorage/mooring/marina in the area? I have some Stainless work to do while there, anyone have experience with a shop they would recommend?

Thanks,
Kent

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karkauai
 

Hi all,
Will be going from WoodsHole to Newport RI where I'll spend a week or so. Does anyone have a favorite anchorage/mooring/marina in the area? I have some Stainless work to do while there, anyone have experience with a shop they would recommend?

Thanks,
Kent