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Re: A55 , # 9

Billy Newport
 

I'm in the process of adding more MV also. I switched my Victron 35A MPPT to a SCM60 during the week and added an Easyview 5 above the AC panel in the galley. I replaced the 675A fuse/holder under the nav seat with a MV shunt and put the 675A fuse in the shunt instead of the original fuse holder I removed. I will finish this weekend by connecting the Alpha pro II to both my chargers 100A and 60A, then the Easyview and then the SCM60 then the shunt. At least thats the plan anyway. I will also add a MV NMEA bridge so I can get data out of MV to store on my logging device which I have everything else besides MV being logged to right now (NMEA, Volvo data, gen data, various 433Mhz temp sensors around the boat on compressors, rooms etc).


It´s time to introduce ourselves.

Martin Birkhoff
 

It´s time to introduce ourselves.
We are Anke and Martin Birkhoff from Worpswede in Germany. Homeport of our Amel is Bremen, Germany.

We started our sailing careers in 1978 (Anke) and (1985) Martin. Since 1998 we spent our time sailing SV “Just do it” a bilge keel 39 feet Reinke Super 11. This is a double chine aluminum design of German engineer Kurt Reinke. Sailing areas have been Baltic Ocean and North Sea. From 2004 to 2009 we made a circumnavigation including Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego. Here it happened after meeting Mariolina Rolfo and Giorgio Adrizzi and their Amel "Saudade III" in Ushuaia that we decided if we ever would buy a GRP design it has to be an Amel.

In 2016 we changed to our 54 Mago del Sur (ex Bronwyn owned by Robin Griffith who did a circumnavigation with her from 2011 to 2013). During the last years she got a refit and now she is ready to start milemunching again. Ok, there are still one or two repairs to be done ...

Anke and I are landscape architects. She is civil servant in the Government of Bremen, I Martin had run my own company for environmental impact studies and landscape architecture.

We plan to sail the Med in 2021 and leave for Caribean waters end of the year. Than continuing through the Panama Chanal and heading South to Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego again. To be continued …

Martin

SV Mago del Sur – 54#40


Re: Heater and fuel bladder

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

Just a quick note regarding my use of the propane heater.
It wasn't left on for an extended period of time, I only had the screw on little canister, so it was used sparingly. It was brought for just such emergency use.
Unfortunately, the propane switch in the propane locker had failed, so the stove wasn't an option.
Perhaps we shouldn't use the stove aboard either, considering it too runs on propane.
Making the solo run, and north of the gulf stream within 75 miles of the coast, boat and ship traffic is very active, and it gets cold at night. It was November.  From the entrance of Delaware Bay , north across the Fairways leading into NY harbor it was extremely active. I made that crossing at night. There were a bunch of draggers working the "mud hole", which is just off the harbor entrance, complicating the crossing. They haul back, turn, and go the other way indiscriminantly. Ask me how I know that. If you think I was down below long enough to drop dead of carbon monoxide poisoning you are mistaken. I was lucky to come down and light the stove and warm up for an hour.

Jeff 
Spirit Amel 54 #14


Mastervolt on 54 goes Lithium

Wolfgang Weber <webercardio@...>
 

Hi Arno,
Great informations,  thank you very much.
1. They only sell now the mastervolt alpha pro 3
2. I will put a fuse 500A in the MV shunt 500. I will not use the MV fuse (85€) but a flat fuse for 13€.
3.our Amel had not the optional inverter,so when adding the MV ultra combi I put it on the place of the MV chargemaster 100A to keep work for installation simple.It is easy to bring 220V near to the batteries.
4.yes the MV lithium is great and with bus-system unique on the market. But the costs are very high.
5.there is a nice youtube video made by a young independent man who tested the batteries, cut them in pieces and gives comments. 
6.I will take the 24v batteries and bring them in parallel in 3 or 4 groups to the electric connection point in the batterycompartment-  but all this I will decide when hopefully be back on the boat.
And I will ask these point the people from Battle born.
I have send a mail to a premium  MV service, but did receive an answer to my thoughts and questions.

I wish you all a safe and happy Christmas time, stay healthy. 

Wolfgang Weber ( in Germany) SY Elise Amel 54 #162(Fort Lauderdale) 






Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Roque
 

Welcome JB!

If you brouse this Forum you will find a thread where self-insurance was  discussed for a while.

Enjoy your Amel

Roque
Attika A54
Paraty- Brazil 


Em ter., 8 de dez. de 2020 às 05:30, David Crisp <david@...> escreveu:

Welcome to the community John,

You have stirred up happy memories of when I lived in Tiburon and raced out of Tiburon Yacht Club on a J105.  Now living back in the UK but cruising on my Amel 54 in the Med in the summer.  I'm currently based near Toulon but heading to Greece in the Spring, hope we get to cross paths and share stories over a beer.
--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

David Crisp
 

Welcome to the community John,

You have stirred up happy memories of when I lived in Tiburon and raced out of Tiburon Yacht Club on a J105.  Now living back in the UK but cruising on my Amel 54 in the Med in the summer.  I'm currently based near Toulon but heading to Greece in the Spring, hope we get to cross paths and share stories over a beer.
--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


Re: 3 topics Smart Regulator Hydronic diesel heater

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Kent,

I think this has been done before by an Amel in Scandinavia, with success. Not sure who??

 It would be easy to try it with some flexible ducting pipe run from the outlet, over the cockpit combing and into the tented cockpit. For sure it would work as a heater. Then if successful plumb it in properly.
I have not found much dirt around the existing outlet but I guess it would smell a bit engine roomy, and of course there is the Amel bilge...on a positive note a weekly wash down of the engine room with bucket of hot soapy water, stiff brush and an aquavac is a good discipline anyway...maybe add a filter like on a cooker hood extractor?

On the subject of heating. I was thinking of installing a mini heated towel rail in the aft cabin head. The idea was to plum it into the hot water from the engine. Only need to drill two 15mm holes in the bulkhead with towel rail directly hanging the other side. The pipe would be copper or stainless. There could be a simple diverter valve in the engine domestic hot water circuit so the flow would come from the hot water tank return and the return would (have either a one way valve or just an on off) go back to the engine. In hot countries the towel rail would be out of the circuit and thus off. I have not got around to this, but in cold climates it would be really great. There could also  be a 220v  heating element so with either the engine or the generator or shore power there would be heat.
Problems ?
It would have to be custom made.
Maybe it would get too hot, like 80 centigrade.....I know the hot water can get scalding hot after a motor!

Nick, 
(back in U.K. in hospital after knee replacement. Hoping to be ready to sail by March.)

S/V Amelia 
AML 54 Leros Gr.


On 8 Dec 2020, at 01:21, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:


Has anyone routed the engine room vent exhaust (not the engine exhaust) into the cockpit for warmth?  There shouldn't be any carbon monoxide in it, but might have a little oil or diesel, ir bilge smell depending on how clean the engine room is. Seems like it would be an easy solution and produce a lot if heat. Might even warm the salon a bit.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: 3 topics Smart Regulator Hydronic diesel heater

Brent Cameron
 

Kent, I remember one of the beautiful Amel 54’s (Tinto IV) that I looked at very closely had done a circumnaviation of Norway, Sweden, Finland (through the Russian canals) and the owner (Bengt Martinson)  had rigged a similar setup as they were sailing well north of the Arctic circle.  Here is a picture I had found on Facebook explaining what he did…   he said it consisted of a plastic 90 degree elbow and 150 cm of flexible ventilation hose attached to the existing vent.  He said it kept the enclosure nice and toasty as long as they were motor sailing and gave off absolutely no smell (although I can attest that the engine room on Tinto IV was spotless).  Bengt has since sold Tinto IV to another lucky buyer so not sure he is still watching these pages or not.  

 

Brent

On Dec 7, 2020, 11:43 PM -0500, Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts@...>, wrote:
Seems like a great idea Kent. 
Go for it!  

Porter

Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS 
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Dec 7, 2020, at 3:21 PM, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:


Has anyone routed the engine room vent exhaust (not the engine exhaust) into the cockpit for warmth?  There shouldn't be any carbon monoxide in it, but might have a little oil or diesel, ir bilge smell depending on how clean the engine room is. Seems like it would be an easy solution and produce a lot if heat. Might even warm the salon a bit.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243

--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Heater and fuel bladder

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Yes there are but increasingly they are being recognized as being dangerous. In older homes that were less airtight, not as bad. But in the modern home with the modern attitude of shut everything up, very dangerous. It is all about volume. In a home with the internal doors open there is a reasonable volume. One room with doors and windows tight shut, very different.

Take care good friends.

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 08 December 2020 at 09:49 "Matt Salatino via groups.io" <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

There are indoor propane heaters. I believe they recommend leaving a window cracked 

~~~ ⛵️~~~ Matt

On Dec 7, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

There was a very sad case in New Zealand a few years back. It was four guys out on a mountain hunting trip. One night they were in a mountain hut and it was very cold so they brought the gas barbecue inside and left it running all night. In the morning three were dead and the survivor had his nose close to the gap under the door. Carbon monoxide is the killer I believe, odorless and the effects are insidious.

In the past on a previous boat I used the gas stove to warm us at 2 am after a race, but not any more

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl  

On 08 December 2020 at 07:14 eric freedman < kimberlite@...> wrote:

Peter,

I used the stove. The same one we cook on.  I seemed to have survived the use as a heater as I ran it for 1 ½ days

years ago before installing the Espar Heater.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Luke via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 7:41 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater and fuel bladder

 

Eric,

How wise it it to burn propane in an enclosed space albeit with a slightly open companionway?

Propane undergoes combustion reactions in a similar fashion to other alkanes. In the presence of excess oxygen, propane burns to form water and carbon dioxide.
C 3 H 8 + 5 O 2
3 CO 2 + 4 H 2 O + heat 

When insufficient oxygen is present for complete combustion, carbon monoxide and/or soot (carbon) are formed as well:
2 C 3 H 8 + 9 O 2
4 CO 2 + 2 CO + 8 H 2 O + heat

C 3 H 8 + 2 O 2 3 C + 4 H 2 O + heat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane#Properties_and_reactions

Does your CO2 or CO alarm sound off?

Appears that CO2 and H2O are byproducts - condensation & suffocating gas.

Regards,

Peter

On 7/12/2020 11:13 am, eric freedman wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Kimberlite came with a couple of blowers mounted under the port coming in my port locker.

I was hooked to ductwork to blow fresh air into the aft cabin, the main cabin , and the forward cabin.

It was very easy to hook an Espar heater into this system as the ductwork was in place. I don’t know if the 54 was supplied with this option.

If you do not have these ducts, then I agree that hot water with blowers is the way to go.

 

I think you will find pumping the fuel into the tank a lot easier than using fuel nozzle. You also do not get air into the bladder.

In the interim If you turn on the stove and open the companionway a crack it heats up the main cabin nicely.

Some old timers used to use red clay flower pots over the burners to act as radiators.

 

I am off to Kimberlite on the 12th and will return on the 21st

Dinner?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of JEFFREY KRAUS
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 6:40 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater and fuel bladder

 

Eric,
I'm not sure what you mean about a forced air system.
It was cold north of the gulf stream. I had a small propane heater for the trip. It worked but it was a temporary solution. 
That bladder looks like the same one I have. I got it from Roberto.
Best Regards,
Jeff 
Spirit Amel 54 #14 
Shinnecock, NY

 



 


 


 


 


Re: 3 topics Smart Regulator Hydronic diesel heater

Porter McRoberts
 

Seems like a great idea Kent. 
Go for it!  

Porter

Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS 
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Dec 7, 2020, at 3:21 PM, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:


Has anyone routed the engine room vent exhaust (not the engine exhaust) into the cockpit for warmth?  There shouldn't be any carbon monoxide in it, but might have a little oil or diesel, ir bilge smell depending on how clean the engine room is. Seems like it would be an easy solution and produce a lot if heat. Might even warm the salon a bit.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Welcome to the group and family John, and congrats on your new Amel. Having sailed Southern California, before our now 6 seasons in the Med, you are in for a treat.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of JB Duler via groups.io
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 6:38 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

 

Hello all,

I wanted to introduce myself. I bought Bill Reilly's Meltem. What can I say? Just fell in love with her. Dealing directly with Bill instead of a broker was like day and night.

I have been around boats all my life, started with an Opti, then a 420, then a Finn with 470s and 505s. I still race a Laser at European and World championships.
I have also raced and cruised all kind of boats. My best memories were with my Swan 47. BUT no more teak decks for me (!).
Racing in the freezing cold and windy San Francisco Bay took a toll on me, hence a Meltem with cold beers, and in the Med will be a nice change.

On the business side I am an engineer and I have been in the insurance and software business all my life, throughout the world. Anything from owning a brokerage company to Exec or CEO of insurance companies, one of them I founded.

I hate to mix pleasure and business but I have to say I don't like the state of yacht insurance, and maybe Amel owners are a special breed. If anybody wants to discuss a self insured group, a rent a captive, just reach out to me. Totally doable and we will put our Mentor, Bill Rouse, as Trustee (Bill, I should have asked before).

I love the vibe of that group. Where do you find the time the find to maintain your boat with such a high standard?

I hope to meet some of you in person :-)
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

JB Duler
 

Hello all,

I wanted to introduce myself. I bought Bill Reilly's Meltem. What can I say? Just fell in love with her. Dealing directly with Bill instead of a broker was like day and night.

I have been around boats all my life, started with an Opti, then a 420, then a Finn with 470s and 505s. I still race a Laser at European and World championships.
I have also raced and cruised all kind of boats. My best memories were with my Swan 47. BUT no more teak decks for me (!).
Racing in the freezing cold and windy San Francisco Bay took a toll on me, hence a Meltem with cold beers, and in the Med will be a nice change.

On the business side I am an engineer and I have been in the insurance and software business all my life, throughout the world. Anything from owning a brokerage company to Exec or CEO of insurance companies, one of them I founded.

I hate to mix pleasure and business but I have to say I don't like the state of yacht insurance, and maybe Amel owners are a special breed. If anybody wants to discuss a self insured group, a rent a captive, just reach out to me. Totally doable and we will put our Mentor, Bill Rouse, as Trustee (Bill, I should have asked before).

I love the vibe of that group. Where do you find the time the find to maintain your boat with such a high standard?

I hope to meet some of you in person :-)
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: 3 topics Smart Regulator Hydronic diesel heater

karkauai
 

Has anyone routed the engine room vent exhaust (not the engine exhaust) into the cockpit for warmth?  There shouldn't be any carbon monoxide in it, but might have a little oil or diesel, ir bilge smell depending on how clean the engine room is. Seems like it would be an easy solution and produce a lot if heat. Might even warm the salon a bit.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: A55 , # 9

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Wolfgang,

Some observations from me about your plans. I own an 54 as well.
I extended the mastervolt installation substantially this year and I’m planning some more changes.
First of all you do not need the AphaPro III, the II is exactly the same and suits the MV 110A alternator fine. The difference between the II and the III is only the maximum field current it can supply.
Second, you can put the Mastervolt Shunt directly at the batteries, the bowthruster does not damage it.
In our boat I have two chargemasters and a Mass Combi all next to each other in the engine compartment, the Combi sits in the place of the original Mass Inverter.
 
How are you planning to connect the Battle Born batteries to the Mastervolt ecosystem? As far as I’m aware Battle Born does not accommodate any interface to the batteries. To me this is the big drawback to BB batteries. They get mostly positive reviews but your control options are quite limited.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Cleaning fresh water tank on my SM2K

eric freedman
 

I had cleaned my tank using a method outlined by Peggy Hall “The head lady” in her book.  She at one time owned Raritan.

She suggests using a strong solution of Clorox, then rinsing the tank with water. She then says add white vinegar to the tank and then rinse,

 

When I ran the water after an hour with the vinegar in the tank the water came out blue. I don’t think vinegar agrees with the copper on some

of the plumbing. I immediately pumped the tank and rinsed with fresh water.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Slavko Despotovic
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2020 5:31 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Cleaning fresh water tank on my SM2K

 

Hi,

I hove done some research on net and there are some sailors that use white vinegar for tank cleaning. It is more environmentally  friendly. Anyone have used this method for water tank cleaning? 
here is a link with explanation https://rvblogger.com/blog/safe-sanitize-rv-water-tank-vinegar/
I use white vinegar for my coffee machine cleaning and it is very successful. It is interesting that machine heats up the mixture of water in vinegar before it goes trough the machine. 
My water tank needs to be cleaned so I am looking for the best and friendly procedure.


Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: 3 topics Smart Regulator Hydronic diesel heater

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Jeff
Sorry SOC-State Of Charge
Yes my field disconnect switch does just that,  however your smart reg will go to float eventually this will stop the overcharging that can happen with the standard automotive type reg.
I only use the switch as I stated.
Cheers 
Alan
Elyse SM 437


Re: Heater and fuel bladder

Matt Salatino
 

There are indoor propane heaters. I believe they recommend leaving a window cracked 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Dec 7, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

There was a very sad case in New Zealand a few years back. It was four guys out on a mountain hunting trip. One night they were in a mountain hut and it was very cold so they brought the gas barbecue inside and left it running all night. In the morning three were dead and the survivor had his nose close to the gap under the door. Carbon monoxide is the killer I believe, odorless and the effects are insidious.

In the past on a previous boat I used the gas stove to warm us at 2 am after a race, but not any more

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl  

On 08 December 2020 at 07:14 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Peter,

I used the stove. The same one we cook on.  I seemed to have survived the use as a heater as I ran it for 1 ½ days

years ago before installing the Espar Heater.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Luke via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 7:41 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater and fuel bladder

 

Eric,

How wise it it to burn propane in an enclosed space albeit with a slightly open companionway?

Propane undergoes combustion reactions in a similar fashion to other alkanes. In the presence of excess oxygen, propane burns to form water and carbon dioxide.
C 3 H 8 + 5 O 2
3 CO 2 + 4 H 2 O + heat 

When insufficient oxygen is present for complete combustion, carbon monoxide and/or soot (carbon) are formed as well:
2 C 3 H 8 + 9 O 2
4 CO 2 + 2 CO + 8 H 2 O + heat

C 3 H 8 + 2 O 2 3 C + 4 H 2 O + heat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane#Properties_and_reactions

Does your CO2 or CO alarm sound off?

Appears that CO2 and H2O are byproducts - condensation & suffocating gas.

Regards,

Peter

On 7/12/2020 11:13 am, eric freedman wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Kimberlite came with a couple of blowers mounted under the port coming in my port locker.

I was hooked to ductwork to blow fresh air into the aft cabin, the main cabin , and the forward cabin.

It was very easy to hook an Espar heater into this system as the ductwork was in place. I don’t know if the 54 was supplied with this option.

If you do not have these ducts, then I agree that hot water with blowers is the way to go.

 

I think you will find pumping the fuel into the tank a lot easier than using fuel nozzle. You also do not get air into the bladder.

In the interim If you turn on the stove and open the companionway a crack it heats up the main cabin nicely.

Some old timers used to use red clay flower pots over the burners to act as radiators.

 

I am off to Kimberlite on the 12th and will return on the 21st

Dinner?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of JEFFREY KRAUS
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 6:40 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater and fuel bladder

 

Eric,
I'm not sure what you mean about a forced air system.
It was cold north of the gulf stream. I had a small propane heater for the trip. It worked but it was a temporary solution. 
That bladder looks like the same one I have. I got it from Roberto.
Best Regards,
Jeff 
Spirit Amel 54 #14 
Shinnecock, NY

 



 


 


Re: Heater and fuel bladder

Martin Birkhoff
 

Unfortunately I can add a similar accident. 6 years ago the heating system in the house of one of my cousins had been broken down. For some odd reasons he refused to ask for a repair. It was winter and he wanted to take a bath so he brought a charcoal barbecue into the bathroom, enlightetd the fire, closed all windows and doors as tight as he could and stepped into the bathtub. You can imagine the result, only his dog survived because it was in the living room.

Martin

Mago del Sur - 54#40  


Re: A55 , # 9

Wolfgang Weber <webercardio@...>
 

Hi Jörg,
I hopefully may return to my boat in Florida after 1 year next march.  I am thinking to replace my 600Ah/24V batteries with Battle Born batteries 12x50Ah/24 V.
On this way I will bring my whole system to the Mastervolt Bus .
3 years ago I changed the Mastercharger -100A to MV CombiUltra 100/3500. This inverter (charger to the batteries) connects to microwave and 220 Volt outlets.
I will try to fix the MV chargemaster 100 A in the room left to the batteries with additional ventilation.
By this way the 24 V cabels should be short and I will not pass the cables through the engine-room.
A MV-shunt 500 will be added. So my question:
I will bypass the shunt for the bowthruster because auf its high load.
2.) I will bring an extra MV Easyview - one is already near the Onan switchboard-in the cockpit to switch the MV 100A Charger next to a new Onan switch in the cockpit/helm station.
The MV alpha regulator will be changed to a MV alpha pro III which also connects to the MV Bus.
I hope to optimize my generator time.
Solar arch is not an option for me.
Any comments? 
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162


Re: Heater and fuel bladder

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

There was a very sad case in New Zealand a few years back. It was four guys out on a mountain hunting trip. One night they were in a mountain hut and it was very cold so they brought the gas barbecue inside and left it running all night. In the morning three were dead and the survivor had his nose close to the gap under the door. Carbon monoxide is the killer I believe, odorless and the effects are insidious.

In the past on a previous boat I used the gas stove to warm us at 2 am after a race, but not any more

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl  

On 08 December 2020 at 07:14 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Peter,

I used the stove. The same one we cook on.  I seemed to have survived the use as a heater as I ran it for 1 ½ days

years ago before installing the Espar Heater.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Luke via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 7:41 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater and fuel bladder

 

Eric,

How wise it it to burn propane in an enclosed space albeit with a slightly open companionway?

Propane undergoes combustion reactions in a similar fashion to other alkanes. In the presence of excess oxygen, propane burns to form water and carbon dioxide.
C 3 H 8 + 5 O 2
3 CO 2 + 4 H 2 O + heat 

When insufficient oxygen is present for complete combustion, carbon monoxide and/or soot (carbon) are formed as well:
2 C 3 H 8 + 9 O 2
4 CO 2 + 2 CO + 8 H 2 O + heat

C 3 H 8 + 2 O 2 3 C + 4 H 2 O + heat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane#Properties_and_reactions

Does your CO2 or CO alarm sound off?

Appears that CO2 and H2O are byproducts - condensation & suffocating gas.

Regards,

Peter

On 7/12/2020 11:13 am, eric freedman wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Kimberlite came with a couple of blowers mounted under the port coming in my port locker.

I was hooked to ductwork to blow fresh air into the aft cabin, the main cabin , and the forward cabin.

It was very easy to hook an Espar heater into this system as the ductwork was in place. I don’t know if the 54 was supplied with this option.

If you do not have these ducts, then I agree that hot water with blowers is the way to go.

 

I think you will find pumping the fuel into the tank a lot easier than using fuel nozzle. You also do not get air into the bladder.

In the interim If you turn on the stove and open the companionway a crack it heats up the main cabin nicely.

Some old timers used to use red clay flower pots over the burners to act as radiators.

 

I am off to Kimberlite on the 12th and will return on the 21st

Dinner?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of JEFFREY KRAUS
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 6:40 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater and fuel bladder

 

Eric,
I'm not sure what you mean about a forced air system.
It was cold north of the gulf stream. I had a small propane heater for the trip. It worked but it was a temporary solution. 
That bladder looks like the same one I have. I got it from Roberto.
Best Regards,
Jeff 
Spirit Amel 54 #14 
Shinnecock, NY

 



 


 

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