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genoa furler cover MEJ1 removal
Hi all Amel owners. i am struggling to remove the cover of the MEJ1 furler, to be able to replace te belt.
i have tried a rubber hammer, i do not like to use a srewdriver as this would damage the anodising of the cover and sealbed. Is the cover flat ? or has the furlerbody recesses for the screws? in other words does it have to come out vertically, or should i use more force with the hammer sideways? advice welcome. Jeroen Jeltes, Fidelis Am54 Aruba.
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Re: Self Insurance
Thank you all for your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, and doubts. Bill R has been in touch with Gary Golden at Manifest Marine. He is looking into a group policy, but at least initially doesn't think it would be enough of a market to interest commercial carriers. Sooo, while it's not a foregone conclusion, we may have to go the self-insurance route. That would be an experiment unless we can find someone with expertise to help us set it up. We may find ourselves with few or no options sooner rather than later so I think it's worth pursuing if there is enough interest. Please respond to this thread and indicate if you are seriously interested in participating in 1)A commercial group Policy, and 2)An AYOG self-insured plan If there are at least 200 owners interested, I will continue to work on it. If there is enough interest, we will take this private and ask you to complete a survey that Brent is working on. Thanks for your prompt replies. Kent SM 243 Kristy
On May 19, 2020 3:34 AM, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote: Though I think it would be a great idea to start the "Amel Group Insurance Company" AGIC, it's a lot more than just opening a bank account and filling it with our $6000 each month. Insurance companies are Bankers first, and Offer insurance second. Once you get the first $1.2M in the bank it has to be invested, and everyone will have different ideas of where to invest it. Well hedged is probably best, but these days I have been a very unsuccessful investor!
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Re: Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation
Hi,
This topic is somewhat frequent as mane Amels have a fairly limited inverter. Our Amel 54 is still stock and has the Mass Sine 2500 from Mastervolt that is actually only 2000 Watt continuously. So like may others I've been looking at alternatives. The Victron 5kW is big, really big. It also has some small print where it states is will reduce it's output above 30 Deg. ambient temperature. I'm not saying the Vircron is not a good piece of kit, far from it, but it does have some drawbacks. Also the idle power consumption is significant. I'm wondering why I would need 5kW. There is a case for it if you are using induction hobs for cooking, but I have no plans to convert in the foreseeable future. I think the great improvement could be in the ability to use the washing machine, diswasher, maybe one of the A/C's For this the inverter does not need to be more then 3.0-3.5kW continuously. The other advantage is that a 5 kW inverter requires immense cables to the batteries, making it a big problem installing it in the Engine room, justifying the installation in the battery compartment. This again would require to move to Lithium to save battery-space... On and on it goes. So at present I'm looking into a few Mastervolt Mass-series boxes, also because this would integrate with all the other Mastervolt stuff from the later A54's This brings me to the following question. Has anyone looked into the 24 Volt connection point in the engine room of a A54 next to the fusebox (see picture). I notice there are feed cables of 95mm2 allowing for quite some power draw. Does anyone know where exactly these cables are connected on the supply side? Before or behind the main switches? As far as I can see this power-point is the main feed point for the fuse-box next to it is that correct? Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation
Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
Hello, There are several reasons why I did not install the charger inverter in the old engine room location. I did not like that computerised device in a hot and humid environment, special beside the watermaker. I experianced a spray from a hose right into old charger... Victron advices installation in cool and dry place and the engine room is the opposite. Additional there is the bilge and whem someone takes a hot shower lots of steam whoop around.. With the ventilation arangement inside the multi plus its intended to be mounted vertical for best cooling. Thats not possible at the old place. Its also possible to mount it horizontal but u will not get best cooling. I like to have short charging wires for best efficency and less losses, I would have needed to route additional wires for 120A charging. In the new location wires are short. Now living with this upgrade more than 1.5 years full time anchored I would do it this way again. Its not that much trouble to rewire as you will need to change wires to larger sizes anyway. Oliver from Vela Nautica Amel54#39 Martinique
On Wed, May 20, 2020, 09:54 Lior Keydar <lior246@...> wrote: Dear Oliver
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Re: Identifing parts for Onan water flange
Olaf, Assuming that your Onan is the same that Amel installed and has not been modified, Amel ordered the 12 volt isolated ground version. If your current sensors have 2 wires, that are for the isolated ground version. Bill
On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 7:56 PM Olaf Bauer <olaf.bauer@...> wrote:
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Re: Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation
Lior Keydar
Dear Oliver
I still have on SHARONA (A54) the original installation of the inverter and the two charger (30, 100) with 12 lead acid batteries. I think as a first step just to replace the old inverter and charger with Victron MultiPlus or Quattro and keep the old batteries for a few more month. I saw that you installed your MultiPlus inverter near the batteries. Can I ask, why did you not installed it instead of the old inverter behind the generator? Would it be also easy to install it behind the generator? Thanks Lior SHARONA, A54 #18
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Re: A54 top loading fridge /freezer strut
ESTELLER
I change the mine some months ago, and it was provided by AMEL SAV
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Identifing parts for Onan water flange
Hello AMELians,
When ordering parts for the Onan generator some questions were coming up: - Which ground I required? The negative ground or isolated ground (PN# 300-5040 or 300-5041)? - The 12V and 24V Negative ground or 12V isolated ground (PN# 193-0318 or 193-0457-01)?
The Onan generator is Type 7MDKAV-2317 MDKAV 7 kW 50 Hz Diesel
Could someone help me on that or tell me how I could find that out?
Thanks in advance. Fair winds Olaf
S/V Katchopine, SM2K 392 currently in Trinidad
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Re: Self Insurance
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
This sounds a bit like a mini lloyds syndicate
On 20 May 2020 at 08:45 "Patrick McAneny via groups.io" <sailw32@...> wrote:
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Re: Self Insurance
Pat,
Apologies: didn’t realize the objective was only cover for TOTAL LOSS and/or possibly lightning damage.
Will refrain from commenting as this is not something I am interested in.
Again: my apologies for muddying your waters. 😊
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
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On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 15:33 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance
Teun, I guess I initiated this in a post a couple of days ago ,where I laid out what I envisioned , I won't rehash all the points ,but to keep it simple ,the only coverage was for a total lose minus a 10% deductible and perhaps lightning damage with a 30% deductible. This was not meant to be an insurance policy in the normal sense. Just a group each putting in a one time deposit into a reserve fund to spread the risk in the event of a total lose. I can't afford to lose all my equity in my boat,but if I hit piling ,ding my boat ,I am willing to assume that risk,since I have never damaged any boat in fifty years. I would still need to obtain liability insurance , I could still obtain full coverage ,but at a very low fixed value ,thus as you suggested the premiums should be much less. This will probably be my last reply on this subject until Brent's survey determine the interest level .I guess he or Kent will post a link to the survey they have written.
Thanks, Pat SM#123
-----Original Message----- Pat,
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA May 19, 2020 14:04:44
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On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Teun, To address your input in order.
1. I agree we don't want to get involved in managing this self insurance. That is why I said from the start, that there would need to be a paid administrator ,and I suggested an annual fee of perhaps .20% of boat value to cover expenses.Kent suggested a voluntary board to provide guidance .
2. 1.5 million in a reserve fund would seem adequate to cover three boats lost in a single year,which is very unlikely. The fund could be replenished by an assessment to all members to bring the fund back up to the prior balance. Keep in mind this is only meant to share the risk of a total lose ,not if you run into a piling and scratch your hull. So if a boat was a total lose and the payout was $250,000. and assuming we had 200 members ,each member would pay into the fund $1,250, their share of the lose.
3. I don't even know what a synthetic structure is,so don't have much to say about that, I read that and just throw up my hands ,you win ! I do agree with you, that many may not realize the changes in the insurance industry until its time to renew their policy. I also agree that we need to determine the level of interest, and many with a policy in force at this time may not be,understandable. Brent has made up a survey ,very well done and it will be presented to the group to determine interest. It may be ahead of its time ,but I think its time will come. if we lack interest at this time ,we will put it on the back burner for now and revisit when things in the industry get worse. We don't want to spin wheels and write emails for nothing, at least I don't,my two fingers get sore !
Be Safe, Pat SM Shenanigans
-----Original Message----- Below from Mark’s friend reflects exactly what I mentioned last week. It is no longer a matter of cost but “can I get it”.
On Pat and Ken’s Emails:
So far I have only seen “luke-warm” interest. I believe a lot of owners don’t realize what is really going on until personally confronted with refusal to renew as was my experience. Q1 this year I was reading the thread on our AYOG Forum about insurance problems but didn’t think it would concern me as I had been with LLOYD’s for 2 years to be renewed every April.
January/February 2020 a fellow AMEL 54 owner asked me for the contact info of my South Pacific agent and I knew he was offered in February/March 2020 a similar cover with a similar premium as I had for the last 2 years. Knowing he got LLOYDS to insure him I was pretty certain my renewal would just be a formality UNTILL 1st week of April 2020 I was notified by my agent that LLOYDS no longer was in the sailboat insurance business.
That gave me 2 weeks to find an alternative ☹.
So let’s first determine if we can come up with 200 really seriously interested AMEL owners; failing that we are just wasting time 😊.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA May 19, 2020 13:03:09
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On Behalf Of Mark Erdos via groups.io
Just as an FYI - An agent I am friendly with who understands and brokers policies for the marine insurance business sent me this:
I can tell you that due to the many companies pulling out of the recreational marine insurance market, including the all important reinsurers, that availability will soon be the primary concern as opposed to affordability, especially for two people cruising long distances.
Hopefully the pendulum will swing back toward the sailors in the future.
He thinks things will get worse before they get better.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia
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Re: Self Insurance
Patrick McAneny
Teun, I guess I initiated this in a post a couple of days ago ,where I laid out what I envisioned , I won't rehash all the points ,but to keep it simple ,the only coverage was for a total lose minus a 10% deductible and perhaps lightning damage with a 30% deductible. This was not meant to be an insurance policy in the normal sense. Just a group each putting in a one time deposit into a reserve fund to spread the risk in the event of a total lose. I can't afford to lose all my equity in my boat,but if I hit piling ,ding my boat ,I am willing to assume that risk,since I have never damaged any boat in fifty years. I would still need to obtain liability insurance , I could still obtain full coverage ,but at a very low fixed value ,thus as you suggested the premiums should be much less.
This will probably be my last reply on this subject until Brent's survey determine the interest level .I guess he or Kent will post a link to the survey they have written.
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123
-----Original Message-----
From: Teun BAAS <teun@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Sent: Tue, May 19, 2020 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance Pat,
Best Regards Teun
SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA
May 19, 2020
14:04:44
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 13:45 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance Teun,
To address your input in order.
1. I agree we don't want to get involved in managing this self insurance. That is why I said from the start, that there would need to be a paid administrator ,and
I suggested an annual fee of perhaps .20% of boat value to cover expenses.Kent suggested a voluntary board to provide guidance .
2. 1.5 million in a reserve fund would seem adequate to cover three boats lost in a single year,which is very unlikely. The fund could be replenished by an assessment
to all members to bring the fund back up to the prior balance. Keep in mind this is only meant to share the risk of a total lose ,not if you run into a piling and scratch your hull. So if a boat was a total lose and the payout was $250,000. and assuming we
had 200 members ,each member would pay into the fund $1,250, their share of the lose.
3. I don't even know what a synthetic structure is,so don't have much to say about that, I read that and just throw up my hands ,you win ! I do agree with you, that
many may not realize the changes in the insurance industry until its time to renew their policy. I also agree that we need to determine the level of interest, and many with a policy in force at this time may not be,understandable. Brent has made up a survey
,very well done and it will be presented to the group to determine interest. It may be ahead of its time ,but I think its time will come. if we lack interest at this time ,we will put it on the back burner for now and revisit when things in the industry get
worse. We don't want to spin wheels and write emails for nothing, at least I don't,my two fingers get sore !
Be Safe,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
-----Original Message-----
From: Teun BAAS <teun@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Sent: Tue, May 19, 2020 4:03 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance Below from Mark’s friend reflects
exactly what I mentioned last week. It is no longer a matter of cost but “can I get it”.
On Pat and Ken’s Emails:
So far I have only seen “luke-warm” interest. I believe a lot of owners don’t realize what is really going on until personally confronted with refusal to renew
as was my experience.
Q1 this year I was reading the thread on our AYOG Forum about insurance problems but didn’t think it would concern me as I had been with LLOYD’s for 2 years to
be renewed every April.
January/February 2020 a fellow AMEL 54 owner asked me for the contact info of my South Pacific agent and I knew he was offered in February/March 2020 a similar
cover with a similar premium as I had for the last 2 years. Knowing he got LLOYDS to insure him I was pretty certain my renewal would just be a formality
UNTILL 1st week of April 2020 I was notified by my agent that LLOYDS no longer was in the sailboat insurance business.
That gave me 2 weeks to find an alternative
☹.
So let’s first determine if we can come up with 200 really seriously interested AMEL owners; failing that we are just wasting time
😊.
Best Regards Teun
SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA
May 19, 2020 13:03:09
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842
AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
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From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mark Erdos via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:08 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance Just as an FYI - An agent I am friendly with who understands and brokers policies for the marine insurance business sent me this:
I can tell you that due to the many companies pulling out of the recreational marine insurance market, including the all important reinsurers, that
availability will soon be the primary concern as opposed to
affordability, especially for two people cruising long distances.
Hopefully the pendulum will swing back toward the sailors in the future.
He thinks things will get worse before they get better.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia
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Re: Self Insurance
Pat,
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA May 19, 2020 14:04:44
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842 AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 13:45 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance
Teun, To address your input in order.
1. I agree we don't want to get involved in managing this self insurance. That is why I said from the start, that there would need to be a paid administrator ,and I suggested an annual fee of perhaps .20% of boat value to cover expenses.Kent suggested a voluntary board to provide guidance .
2. 1.5 million in a reserve fund would seem adequate to cover three boats lost in a single year,which is very unlikely. The fund could be replenished by an assessment to all members to bring the fund back up to the prior balance. Keep in mind this is only meant to share the risk of a total lose ,not if you run into a piling and scratch your hull. So if a boat was a total lose and the payout was $250,000. and assuming we had 200 members ,each member would pay into the fund $1,250, their share of the lose.
3. I don't even know what a synthetic structure is,so don't have much to say about that, I read that and just throw up my hands ,you win ! I do agree with you, that many may not realize the changes in the insurance industry until its time to renew their policy. I also agree that we need to determine the level of interest, and many with a policy in force at this time may not be,understandable. Brent has made up a survey ,very well done and it will be presented to the group to determine interest. It may be ahead of its time ,but I think its time will come. if we lack interest at this time ,we will put it on the back burner for now and revisit when things in the industry get worse. We don't want to spin wheels and write emails for nothing, at least I don't,my two fingers get sore !
Be Safe, Pat SM Shenanigans
-----Original Message----- Below from Mark’s friend reflects exactly what I mentioned last week. It is no longer a matter of cost but “can I get it”.
On Pat and Ken’s Emails:
So far I have only seen “luke-warm” interest. I believe a lot of owners don’t realize what is really going on until personally confronted with refusal to renew as was my experience. Q1 this year I was reading the thread on our AYOG Forum about insurance problems but didn’t think it would concern me as I had been with LLOYD’s for 2 years to be renewed every April.
January/February 2020 a fellow AMEL 54 owner asked me for the contact info of my South Pacific agent and I knew he was offered in February/March 2020 a similar cover with a similar premium as I had for the last 2 years. Knowing he got LLOYDS to insure him I was pretty certain my renewal would just be a formality UNTILL 1st week of April 2020 I was notified by my agent that LLOYDS no longer was in the sailboat insurance business.
That gave me 2 weeks to find an alternative ☹.
So let’s first determine if we can come up with 200 really seriously interested AMEL owners; failing that we are just wasting time 😊.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA May 19, 2020 13:03:09
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842 AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
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From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mark Erdos via groups.io
Just as an FYI - An agent I am friendly with who understands and brokers policies for the marine insurance business sent me this:
I can tell you that due to the many companies pulling out of the recreational marine insurance market, including the all important reinsurers, that availability will soon be the primary concern as opposed to affordability, especially for two people cruising long distances.
Hopefully the pendulum will swing back toward the sailors in the future.
He thinks things will get worse before they get better.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia
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Re: Self Insurance
Patrick McAneny
Teun,
To address your input in order.
1. I agree we don't want to get involved in managing this self insurance. That is why I said from the start, that there would need to be a paid administrator ,and I suggested an annual fee of perhaps .20% of boat value to cover expenses.Kent suggested a voluntary board to provide guidance .
2. 1.5 million in a reserve fund would seem adequate to cover three boats lost in a single year,which is very unlikely. The fund could be replenished by an assessment to all members to bring the fund back up to the prior balance. Keep in mind this is only meant to share the risk of a total lose ,not if you run into a piling and scratch your hull. So if a boat was a total lose and the payout was $250,000. and assuming we had 200 members ,each member would pay into the fund $1,250, their share of the lose.
3. I don't even know what a synthetic structure is,so don't have much to say about that, I read that and just throw up my hands ,you win ! I do agree with you, that many may not realize the changes in the insurance industry until its time to renew their policy. I also agree that we need to determine the level of interest, and many with a policy in force at this time may not be,understandable. Brent has made up a survey ,very well done and it will be presented to the group to determine interest. It may be ahead of its time ,but I think its time will come. if we lack interest at this time ,we will put it on the back burner for now and revisit when things in the industry get worse. We don't want to spin wheels and write emails for nothing, at least I don't,my two fingers get sore !
Be Safe,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
-----Original Message-----
From: Teun BAAS <teun@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Sent: Tue, May 19, 2020 4:03 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance Below from Mark’s friend reflects
exactly what I mentioned last week. It is no longer a matter of cost but “can I get it”.
On Pat and Ken’s Emails:
So far I have only seen “luke-warm” interest. I believe a lot of owners don’t realize what is really going on until personally confronted with refusal to renew as was my experience.
Q1 this year I was reading the thread on our AYOG Forum about insurance problems but didn’t think it would concern me as I had been with LLOYD’s for 2 years to be renewed every
April.
January/February 2020 a fellow AMEL 54 owner asked me for the contact info of my South Pacific agent and I knew he was offered in February/March 2020 a similar cover with a similar
premium as I had for the last 2 years. Knowing he got LLOYDS to insure him I was pretty certain my renewal would just be a formality
UNTILL 1st week of April 2020 I was notified by my agent that LLOYDS no longer was in the sailboat insurance business.
That gave me 2 weeks to find an alternative
☹.
So let’s first determine if we can come up with 200 really seriously interested AMEL owners; failing that we are just wasting time
😊.
Best Regards Teun
SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA
May 19, 2020
13:03:09
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842
AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
You can follow AMELIT via this link:
https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mark Erdos via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:08 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance Just as an FYI - An agent I am friendly with who understands and brokers policies for the marine insurance business sent me this:
I can tell you that due to the many companies pulling out of the recreational marine insurance market, including the all important reinsurers, that
availability will soon be the primary concern as opposed to
affordability, especially for two people cruising long distances.
Hopefully the pendulum will swing back toward the sailors in the future.
He thinks things will get worse before they get better.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia
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Re: Self Insurance
Dealt with Elliott GOLDEN; nice guy. Came with similar proposal also from ERGO GERMANY but with a lower agreed value (USD530K).
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA May 19, 2020 13:36:02
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Matt Salatino via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 13:14 To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance
Gary Golden, Manifest Marine. I’m a longtime customer and friend, who I met through the Moody Owners’ Association (previous boat) He’s a good guy, and an advocate for his clients. ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
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Re: Zink Anode for SPURS Line Cutter
Eric,
Thanks – will look into this.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA May 19, 2020 13:29:53
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of eric freedman via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 16:06 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Zink Anode for SPURS Line Cutter
Teun, You can buy a regular pencil zinc and shorten it . It is much cheaper than the Onan factory zinc. Save the brass cap fitting that the zinc fits into . You can then reuse the cap and buy zincs without the brass cap. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
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On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Teun,
To the back of the Onan heat exchanger
On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:19 AM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
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Re: Self Insurance
Below in blue next to Ken’s my current coverage; in red the last 2 years LLOYDS
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA May 19, 2020 13:07:00
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842 AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Ken Powers SV Aquarius via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 00:35 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance
Though I think it would be a great idea to start the "Amel Group Insurance Company" AGIC, it's a lot more than just opening a bank account and filling it with our $6000 each month. Insurance companies are Bankers
first, and Offer insurance second. Once you get the first $1.2M in the bank it has to be invested, and everyone will have different ideas of where to invest it. Well hedged is probably best, but these days I have been a very unsuccessful investor!
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Re: Self Insurance
Gary Golden, Manifest Marine.
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I’m a longtime customer and friend, who I met through the Moody Owners’ Association (previous boat) He’s a good guy, and an advocate for his clients. ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On May 19, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL via groups.io <sangaris@...> wrote:
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Re: Self Insurance
Below from Mark’s friend reflects exactly what I mentioned last week. It is no longer a matter of cost but “can I get it”.
On Pat and Ken’s Emails:
So far I have only seen “luke-warm” interest. I believe a lot of owners don’t realize what is really going on until personally confronted with refusal to renew as was my experience. Q1 this year I was reading the thread on our AYOG Forum about insurance problems but didn’t think it would concern me as I had been with LLOYD’s for 2 years to be renewed every April.
January/February 2020 a fellow AMEL 54 owner asked me for the contact info of my South Pacific agent and I knew he was offered in February/March 2020 a similar cover with a similar premium as I had for the last 2 years. Knowing he got LLOYDS to insure him I was pretty certain my renewal would just be a formality UNTILL 1st week of April 2020 I was notified by my agent that LLOYDS no longer was in the sailboat insurance business.
That gave me 2 weeks to find an alternative ☹.
So let’s first determine if we can come up with 200 really seriously interested AMEL owners; failing that we are just wasting time 😊.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA May 19, 2020 13:03:09
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842 AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mark Erdos via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:08 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance
Just as an FYI - An agent I am friendly with who understands and brokers policies for the marine insurance business sent me this:
I can tell you that due to the many companies pulling out of the recreational marine insurance market, including the all important reinsurers, that availability will soon be the primary concern as opposed to affordability, especially for two people cruising long distances.
Hopefully the pendulum will swing back toward the sailors in the future.
He thinks things will get worse before they get better.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia
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Re: Self Insurance
Patrick McAneny
Mark, I think your friends assessment is right on. I am fielding quotes ,two just today. They are full of restrictions , exclusions and wording that left me wondering if ever needed, would I have coverage at all. Not to mention the premiums more than twice what I was paying with Pantaenius, with deductibles 5 times as much. This is what prompted me to think ,it may be time to think about self insuring .
Stay Safe,
Pat
SM #123
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Tue, May 19, 2020 2:08 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance Just as an FYI - An agent I am friendly with who understands and
brokers policies for the marine insurance business sent me this:
I
can tell you that due to the many companies pulling out of the recreational
marine insurance market, including the all important reinsurers, that availability will
soon be the primary concern as opposed to affordability,
especially for two people cruising long distances.
Hopefully
the pendulum will swing back toward the sailors in the future.
He thinks
things will get worse before they get better.
With best
regards,
Mark
Skipper
Sailing Vessel
- Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently
cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia
www.creampuff.us
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Re: Main sail outhaul Motorspor
Kaplan,Andre
Thanks John
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Interesting suggestion... I’m off the boat this week but I’ll follow up with some strong taps to the motor when I return next week.. but I think a rebuild of the motor will likely be needed if the circuitry is OK.
Andre
On May 19, 2020, at 2:57 PM, John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:
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