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Re: Bottom paint removal problem

Mark McGovern
 

Pat,

I did not have them blast the keel down to bare metal.  However, they did have to epoxy coat the keel right after blasting since there were some spots where the iron was already exposed before soda blasting and the soda blasting exposed a few more spots.  Thus my comment to "remind" whoever does the soda blasting that it is an iron keel so that they are ready to apply epoxy paint immediately after blasting.  The Iron starts to rust the instant it is exposed.  I ended up doing some more extensive grinding/sanding and epoxy coating to iron keel after their work was done.  Working on the bottom of the keel is NOT fun.  In hindsight, I probably should have just had them do it but I am cheap and a bit pigheaded about these things sometimes.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Rub Rail insert

Charles Bell
 

Welcome aboard Mark!

OK, we have Charles (me), Patrick, and Mark. Let's wait a couple of days to see who else wants to join us. 
 
In previous less than container shipments I have done, space was about $100-200/CBM (Cubis Meter) +documentation ($600-1000) +tariffs

Is anyone else jumping in?


Re: Rub Rail insert

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Unless its Fred

Danny

On 26 February 2020 at 10:41 "Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Danny, I had not read your previous post about carrying davits and checking them in as baggage. This is good news ,its been many yrs. since I tried to check thru a large object. So I will just roll the two rub rails into the airport, and balance the bumper on my head. Bobs your uncle!
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub Rail insert

You should see the size of boxes that land in NZ as baggage from China, and go out as baggage for departing Chinese. That's not picking on the Chinese, its just a statement of fact.
Regards
Danny
On 26 February 2020 at 09:32 "Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Danny, That is just what I suggested to Diane this morning when I realized they are too big to fit a suitcase. Just roll them in,with a rope handle. Can you still check something thru the size of a tire? Its been years since we used to transport large stuff,I thought there may be new restrictions ,since they have cracked down on baggage in recent yrs. 
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub Rail insert

Hi Gary and Pat,
You don't have to put your baggage in suitcases. Just wrap it well and if necessary for handling create a handle. Saves weight too. How many surf boards have you seen as baggage. I've seen quite a few
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 26 February 2020 at 07:35 "Gary Silver via Groups.Io" <garysilver@...> wrote:

Pat,  I'll rummage through my paperwork and see if I can find the way-bill for the scupper shipment and see if it has a weight (standby).  My guess is it would take two large suitcases for the scupper (one for each side) but the weight would be less without the pallet.  

Stand-by for news.
 
 


Re: Converting my Amel 54 to lithium batteries: what I did, what I like and what I don't like (after one year of full time live aboard use)

Scott SV Tengah
 

Colin,

Good to hear from you! I guess you guys aren't selling Island Pearl II then? We are in San Blas now and planning to transit the canal and head to the Galapagos within a month. Slowly but surely making our way to your part of the world :)

Do you have any idea of the amp hours you're putting getting out of your solar/wind array? I am very jealous that you have that production capacity and I'd love to see numbers.

Since you're barely running the Victron 230v chargers, you don't have to worry about this, but others may want to think about it: lead batteries can only take full current at low SOC. I seem to recall around 65% SOC or so, the charging current tapers quite a bit. With LFP, the batteries will take full current up to 99% or so. That means your chargers are running at full capacity and generating lots of heat for longer periods. 

Related to that, if you haven't already, think about your 24v alternator and the regulator attached to it. I am not sure what alternator is fitted on the SM, but we have a Mastervolt 110amp which Mastervolt says is OK for the long periods of full current that LFP will require of your alternator. For good measure, I installed a temperature sensor that will instruct the Alpha Pro II regulator to taper output if the alternator gets too hot. Finally, make sure your alternator has a LFP charging profile and just as importantly, the Battery Management System (BMS) can shut down your alternator when there is an over voltage or over temperature condition in one of the cells. Note that you can have acceptable overall bank voltage but one of the 32 cells that will comprise your system may be over voltage. If your system doesn't stop charging, it could irreversibly damage that cell. 

Finally, keep in mind the Dolphin chargers don't have a LFP profile. At least the ones in the 54 did not. There's a 54 owner out there who installed 1200 (!!!!) AH of LFP and fried them in short order - I believe because he charged them using the wrong profile.

After your install, you will get a 25% boost from your already massive solar/wind array on charging because with LFP, you don't get the 25% charging inefficiency you get with lead. BTW - I've run the aft AC all night on battery/inverter and our 450 amp hour bank was more than enough.

Hope this helps.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Rub Rail insert

Mark Garver
 

I’m in for a set for a Super Maramu based near Annapolis in Gloucester VA.

Should we also do a group order to se if we can get a discount?

Mark
S/V It’s Good
SM #105


On Feb 25, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Charles Bell via Groups.Io <shipbldr2000@...> wrote:


All-

I am getting us a quote for a space in a container. I have done this in the past...

How many of us are jumping in? Please let me know. 

I am guessing we will need about 1 cubic meter and will be billed as high-density.

I was planning to ship to Annapolis, MD and then break bulk. From there we could reship domestically or you can pick-up.

Right now I have Charles (me) and Patrick.

Is anyone else jumping in?


Charles 
SV Jupiter
Mango #29


Re: Bottom paint removal problem

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, That is far better than what I've been quoted. Did you have the keel taken down to bare metal? I have some rust and would like to seal it , I wish it was encapsulated lead , iron and water don't mix well. I don't know how one would deal with bottom of the keel,unless it could be arranged to be left in a sling for a couple of days . 
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal problem

Pat,

The cost was $2,861.52.  It was done in December 2018.  That does not include the cost of haul-out and re-launch.  That is just the cost from Osprey to do the soda blasting of the hull. 
  
Mark

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Rub Rail insert

Charles Bell
 

All-

I am getting us a quote for a space in a container. I have done this in the past...

How many of us are jumping in? Please let me know. 

I am guessing we will need about 1 cubic meter and will be billed as high-density.

I was planning to ship to Annapolis, MD and then break bulk. From there we could reship domestically or you can pick-up.

Right now I have Charles (me) and Patrick.

Is anyone else jumping in?


Charles 
SV Jupiter
Mango #29


Re: Bottom paint removal problem

Mark McGovern
 

Pat,

The cost was $2,861.52.  It was done in December 2018.  That does not include the cost of haul-out and re-launch.  That is just the cost from Osprey to do the soda blasting of the hull. 
  
Mark

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Bottom paint removal problem

Mark McGovern
 

Pat,

I have the exact amount somewhere but I do remember that it was under $3000.  I will check and let you know.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Bottom paint removal problem

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, I have many dry layers of paint and have wanted to get down to a clean hull. Do you remember what it cost. I got a quote of $6,000. for sand blasting in Rock Hall ,Md.
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 5:17 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal problem

As Doug said, it's not close to your desired location but there is a good company that does hull soda-blasting located at our marina Herrington Harbor North located in Deale, MD (~20 miles south of Annapolis) that has over 25 years experience soda blasting hulls and even some experience with Amels.  I had them take our hull down to the gelcoat last winter.  They did a very thorough yet careful job removing most of the remnants of ~15 years of various bottom paints.  Just be sure to "remind" them that you have a cast iron keel.  

Here is their contact information:

OSPREY MARINE COMPOSITES
301-261-9201 • 410-867-3022 • FX 301-261-5370
www.ospreycomposites.com • jj@...

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Bottom paint removal problem

Mark McGovern
 

As Doug said, it's not close to your desired location but there is a good company that does hull soda-blasting located at our marina Herrington Harbor North located in Deale, MD (~20 miles south of Annapolis) that has over 25 years experience soda blasting hulls and even some experience with Amels.  I had them take our hull down to the gelcoat last winter.  They did a very thorough yet careful job removing most of the remnants of ~15 years of various bottom paints.  Just be sure to "remind" them that you have a cast iron keel.  

Here is their contact information:

OSPREY MARINE COMPOSITES
301-261-9201 • 410-867-3022 • FX 301-261-5370
www.ospreycomposites.com • jj@...

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: A55: fresh water pump system : Beam IV on passage from Bonaire towards Santa Marta / Carthagena

Stuart Hemingway <stuart@...>
 

Hello Joerg & Bill,

Who ever thought you’d need a bicycle pump on a boat , but you do!

We bought this fancy cycle pump in Bonaire ( the old fashion type would be better ) pumped up the accumulator and we have water!!

THANK YOU 

The pump is still running continuously though any ideas on that one?

Very best regards & thanks ..

Stuart

Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA


Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,


 Grove Park Studios,

188-192 Sutton court Road,

Chiswick,

London,

W4 3HR

 

Telephone

From the UK  :    001 561 371 2321

From the US  :    561 371 2321


E . Studio@...

W. www.groveparkstudios.co.uk.


On 25 Feb 2020, at 01:53, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

In my experience, there has to be nothing wrong to create this condition.   I’ve had this happen on my boat when I get back after many months away.  Or if the tank was run very low.   Pump up the tank and see whether it works.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain


Re: A55: fresh water pump system

Stuart Hemingway <stuart@...>
 

Hello Joerg,

Do we remove the cap to fit the bike pump, (assuming there’s a nipple inside)

Thank you ,

Stuart



Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA


Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,


 Grove Park Studios,

188-192 Sutton court Road,

Chiswick,

London,

W4 3HR

 

Telephone

From the UK  :    001 561 371 2321

From the US  :    561 371 2321


E . Studio@...

W. www.groveparkstudios.co.uk.


On 25 Feb 2020, at 01:53, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

In my experience, there has to be nothing wrong to create this condition.   I’ve had this happen on my boat when I get back after many months away.  Or if the tank was run very low.   Pump up the tank and see whether it works.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain


Re: Rub Rail insert

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, I had not read your previous post about carrying davits and checking them in as baggage. This is good news ,its been many yrs. since I tried to check thru a large object. So I will just roll the two rub rails into the airport, and balance the bumper on my head. Bobs your uncle!
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub Rail insert

You should see the size of boxes that land in NZ as baggage from China, and go out as baggage for departing Chinese. That's not picking on the Chinese, its just a statement of fact.
Regards
Danny
On 26 February 2020 at 09:32 "Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Danny, That is just what I suggested to Diane this morning when I realized they are too big to fit a suitcase. Just roll them in,with a rope handle. Can you still check something thru the size of a tire? Its been years since we used to transport large stuff,I thought there may be new restrictions ,since they have cracked down on baggage in recent yrs. 
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub Rail insert

Hi Gary and Pat,
You don't have to put your baggage in suitcases. Just wrap it well and if necessary for handling create a handle. Saves weight too. How many surf boards have you seen as baggage. I've seen quite a few
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 26 February 2020 at 07:35 "Gary Silver via Groups.Io" <garysilver@...> wrote:

Pat,  I'll rummage through my paperwork and see if I can find the way-bill for the scupper shipment and see if it has a weight (standby).  My guess is it would take two large suitcases for the scupper (one for each side) but the weight would be less without the pallet.  

Stand-by for news.
 


Re: Rub Rail insert

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

You should see the size of boxes that land in NZ as baggage from China, and go out as baggage for departing Chinese. That's not picking on the Chinese, its just a statement of fact.

Regards

Danny

On 26 February 2020 at 09:32 "Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Danny, That is just what I suggested to Diane this morning when I realized they are too big to fit a suitcase. Just roll them in,with a rope handle. Can you still check something thru the size of a tire? Its been years since we used to transport large stuff,I thought there may be new restrictions ,since they have cracked down on baggage in recent yrs. 
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub Rail insert

Hi Gary and Pat,
You don't have to put your baggage in suitcases. Just wrap it well and if necessary for handling create a handle. Saves weight too. How many surf boards have you seen as baggage. I've seen quite a few
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 26 February 2020 at 07:35 "Gary Silver via Groups.Io" <garysilver@...> wrote:

Pat,  I'll rummage through my paperwork and see if I can find the way-bill for the scupper shipment and see if it has a weight (standby).  My guess is it would take two large suitcases for the scupper (one for each side) but the weight would be less without the pallet.  

Stand-by for news.
 


Re: Bottom paint removal problem

Miles
 

Hi Mark,

 

I used a chemical paint remover and it worked well.  I don’t recall which product I used.  Practical Sailor  has done thorough comparison tests of the various products.  There are contractors around NEB (now Safe Harbor) who will do it.   This method will, of course, not hurt the outer gel coat and the Amel water barrier.  I remember being surprised at the amount and the weight of the paint that came off.  They had to apply the stuff several times to get all of the paint off.   

 

Regards,

 

Miles  s/y Ladybug, Le Marin. Martinique


Re: Bottom paint removal problem

Doug Smith
 

Soda blasting is available in the Chesapeake, if not urgent and if you are heading south in the near future. 
I had a previous boat soda blasted a few years ago in Deale Maryland. 

Thanks, Doug Smith

Amel 54-113, Aventura
Dugsmith98@...

On Feb 25, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Mark Pitt <mark_pitt@...> wrote:


I have owned my Super Maramu since she was launched in 2003.  Amel applied a hard bottom paint before launch in 2003 but since then I have only used ablative paint.  The layer is now thick and a bit uneven.  Having carefully examined the words of caution on the Amel owners group, particularly those of Joel Potter, I have looked in vain for a soda blaster to remove all the old bottom paint. I just cannot find one in Rhode Island.  The contractor recommended by my Rhode Island marina uses glass and is apparently very experienced with blasting boat bottoms. 

Last week I contacted the large Hinckley repair yard in Portsmouth, RI and it turns out that they do not have access to soda blasting either and use the same glass blasting contractor used by the full service marina where Sabbatical III is stored.  Hinckley recommends the glass blasting followed by 5 coats of epoxy (the 5 coats is their rule for European boats).  My yard has suggested 3 coats of epoxy as a water barrier.
I had been hoping for soda blasting plus a single coat of epoxy as a primer, on the assumption that the barrier coat under the gel coat would remain intact.  I did not expect that it would not be possible to find a soda blasting contractor in Rhode Island (or nearby Massachusetts) who works on boat hulls.
 
Any suggestions for me?  I feel stuck and am inclined to use glass blasting following by 3 or more coats of epoxy as a barrier coat.
 
Mark Pitt
“Sabbatical III”, SM#419, Wickford, Rhode Island, USA
 


Re: Rub Rail insert

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, That is just what I suggested to Diane this morning when I realized they are too big to fit a suitcase. Just roll them in,with a rope handle. Can you still check something thru the size of a tire? Its been years since we used to transport large stuff,I thought there may be new restrictions ,since they have cracked down on baggage in recent yrs. 
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub Rail insert

Hi Gary and Pat,
You don't have to put your baggage in suitcases. Just wrap it well and if necessary for handling create a handle. Saves weight too. How many surf boards have you seen as baggage. I've seen quite a few
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 26 February 2020 at 07:35 "Gary Silver via Groups.Io" <garysilver@...> wrote:

Pat,  I'll rummage through my paperwork and see if I can find the way-bill for the scupper shipment and see if it has a weight (standby).  My guess is it would take two large suitcases for the scupper (one for each side) but the weight would be less without the pallet.  

Stand-by for news.


Re: Rub Rail insert

Patrick McAneny
 

Charles, Based on pics Bill sent they appear too big to fit in a large suitcase. I may contact the airline and see if we rolled them into the ticket counter if we could check them thru. Years ago, I know we could check in skies ,even a hang glider about 12' long. But times have changed. Now my wife is all excited about a vacation to France,this might backfire on me and cost me twice as much.
So let me know what you come up with,because I would hate to send $1,700 just for shipping,if that is what it would be. Unfortunately Maud cannot provide a quote on shipping. A ship would no doubt be cheaper than Fed Ex Express, and I am in no hurry,by June would be fine.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Bell via Groups.Io <shipbldr2000@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 2:53 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub Rail insert

Hello Patrick,

I am refitting and Annapolis MD and need new rub rails as well...

I could help defray the cost of your trip if you can handle another suitcase. Not joking... :)

At this rate, we should consider doing a group buy on an LTL container shipment to the US. I will look into it and report back to the group if I find something.


Charles
SV Jupiter
Mango #29


Re: Rub Rail insert

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Gary and Pat,

You don't have to put your baggage in suitcases. Just wrap it well and if necessary for handling create a handle. Saves weight too. How many surf boards have you seen as baggage. I've seen quite a few

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 26 February 2020 at 07:35 "Gary Silver via Groups.Io" <garysilver@...> wrote:

Pat,  I'll rummage through my paperwork and see if I can find the way-bill for the scupper shipment and see if it has a weight (standby).  My guess is it would take two large suitcases for the scupper (one for each side) but the weight would be less without the pallet.  

Stand-by for news.