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Windows in the cockpit

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Hi all
Does anyone know why the small windows at the cockpit dodger is mounted on the inside?

Regards
Annsofie
SY Lady Annila. SM 232
Present in Trinidad and Tobago, Chaguaramas

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster Linear Actuator

yahoogroups@...
 

Alan, The 12 volt deep cycle batteries I have bought do have CCA ratings, and in my experience with the tester, when the CCA starts a downward trend, it is the death spiral of the battery. The tester also load-checks and checks internal resistence, giving a pass or fail. It does not check 6 volts, but a more expensive model does. I don't think the tester is perfect, but I would not do without it. Bill BeBe 387


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster Linear Actuator

Alan Leslie
 

Good idea ...fuse in the bow thruster circuit...we don't have one....
Re the battery tester....I got one of these, but its not of much use now as it only works on 12V batteries and I replaced all ours with 3 x 4 banks of 6V 220Ah AGMs.

AND , it really is only a tester for starting batteries...it looks at CCA , not that relevant for a deep cycle bank....but Ill keep the tester, take it home and use it on my tractor !!

Cheers
Alan 
SV Elyse SM #437
Blue Lagoon, Yasawa Is, Fiji


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Leaking toilet pumps

Herbert Lackner
 

 

 Hi Malcom,

we have also the RM69 on our Santorin.  All parts are available, if you are in Europe you could use this link

http://www.svb24.com/en/rm69-manual-marine-toilet.html

If the pump has not been replaced for a long time it makes more sense to replace the whole pump instead of buying a spare part set and replacing only the sealings and cleaning all the rusty parts  (I did it with one pump and then bought a new one for the other toilet...)

If you plan to replace the pump you should check if the part "503" -RM 69 - Replacement bottom part with stopper" is still in good condition, if the threads are still able "to hold the screws" and maybe order this part, too.

fair winds

herbert

KALI MERA, SN120, Kusadasi

 

 

Am 2014-08-23 13:48, schrieb flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]:

 

Hi Malcolm,Based on your hull #, I'm assuming you have a Raske & Van der Meyde RM 69. Jabsco also produced this toilet under a different name, but it is now obsolete, and not supported by Jabsco. With that said, Budget Marine in the Caribean seems to have all the parts available, and I'll include a link to the web site below. We recently acquired hull #72, and need parts for both toilets, and will be placing an order soon.

Regards,
Steve
S/V Aloha SM 72 (Currently in Brunswick, GA)

Caribbean's Leading Chandlery - Budget Marine

 



 

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster Linear Actuator

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Bill
Yes the battery tester is certainly very useful.

Not sure about Amel service I suppose it was late July / early August which is always a difficult time in France - it was not Maud I was dealing with who I have always found to be excellent.

Andrew

On 24 Aug 2014, at 13:35, "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Andrew, Good news. I would like to make two points: The dismal service that you got from Amel does not match the superior service I have received in the past. Let us hope this was some sort of accident, or simple mistake. Secondly, since that tester is measuring micro voltage and resistance, it is important to remove all wires, clamps, and nuts and attach the test leads to a clean terminal. I am glad you liked the tester. Bill BeBe 387


Re: Leaking toilet pumps

marmitage73@...
 

 

 

 

 

 

Graham / Steve / Ian

 

Thank you all for your replies. It now ties in what the RM meant.

I see there is a replacement spares kit available for around £40 so I think I'll get one of those which includes the seals that's probably gone.

 

Thanks again.

 

We are off to the boat next week for a couple of week.

 

Regards

 

Malcolm

 


SAILING INDONESIA

Giovanni TESTA
 

 Hi to all,

Sailing Indonesia, I'm looking for infos

- to leave the boat safe ( Marina Benoa, Lovina Bay?) to have a 3, 4 days Bali tour

- to visit Kalimatan, Kumai, to visit orango park ( very shallow entrance)

Any direct experiences about? Any suggestions will be very appreciated.

All the best

Gianni TESTA

SV EUTIKIA SM2K n 428


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster Linear Actuator

yahoogroups@...
 

Andrew, Good news. I would like to make two points: The dismal service that you got from Amel does not match the superior service I have received in the past. Let us hope this was some sort of accident, or simple mistake. Secondly, since that tester is measuring micro voltage and resistance, it is important to remove all wires, clamps, and nuts and attach the test leads to a clean terminal. I am glad you liked the tester. Bill BeBe 387


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster Linear Actuator

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

An update on my Bow thruster Linear Actuator problem.

 

I think a fuse in the line to the motor sounds the best plan – easy to change – the 10amp fuse on my unit is inside the box on the circuit board, requiring the removal of 4 small screws to change.

 

Initially I got a replacement motor from Amel for 324 euros without taxes or delivery however this turned out to be the wrong motor and did not fit the drive (either physically to the drive, but also the worm thread sizes were different) the numbering on it seemed to suggest that it was for  linear actuator with a 50cm  travel, whereas the actuator that I have has a 20cm travel (maybe the later Amels have a longer travel for the bow thruster?). The only alternative from Amel was to buy a complete drive and motor replacement which was going to be 1217 euros without tax or delivery, but basically they were going to send me the drive unit to add to the engine so I did not have confidence that this was going to be the correct drive, so I sent the motor back to Amel.

 

I contacted SNT who manufacture the units and they have supplied a replacement motor for 300 euros including tax and delivery – I now have this and this is the correct motor fitting both the worm drive thread and the drive unit. I also sent the broken unit to be rewound and reconditioned to www.robsonandfranciswinds.co.uk (a London based motor repair company) who have rewound the motor and reconditioned the motor - changed the brushes etc, this cost 185 GBP including taxes and delivery – this I will receive in the next day or two, so I should have a replacement backup also. I also got two new hall effect sensors from Amel at 24 euros each.

 

So over the next few days I am going to put the actuator back together then study the circuit in more detail and probably either add a thermal circuit breaker set at 5 amps (the SNT documentation seems to suggest that at maximum load it will draw 4 to 4.5 amps) or a inline fuse as in the previous message which could be easily changed.

 

I also took Bills advice and bought a battery tester – this was quite interesting – initially 5 batteries failed. With 2 of them (scored 300amps instead of 1000) I found that the nuts fixing the wires between the batteries were a bit loose – so I tightened them and left the batteries to charge overnight and the next day the both passed. Another 2 (scored 650 amps) when I took them out jiggled them about a bit and then made sure that I had a really good contact between the tester and the terminals they also passed. The only other battery that failed was the starter battery (again marginally 700 amps)  I re-tested this after motoring for a couple of hours and this also passed.

 

Incidentally we have just completed 3 weeks holiday in the Balearics – we used a pulley system to lift and lower the bow thruster – worked a treat!

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:25 PM

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster Linear Actuator

 

Hello Andrew,

Several years ago I made silly mistake which resulted in that motor being totally burnt out.This was a potential disaster as Amel told me that the motor was out of production but Maud managed to find one and sent it to me. When I fitted it I installed a 10 amp fuse in it’s circuit in the connection box and tied some spares onto the box for the next time there might be a problem.

I sent a message to this site advising every one to do the same and so it appears that Amel may have done the same at some stage or that a previous owner of your boat did it.

Fitting the fuse in the wire driving the motor was very simple and i strongly advise all owners to check to see if a fuse has been fitted in their  boat and if not fit one as a matter of urgency. All that is needed is an inline fuse holder and a few 10 amp fuses.

 

                                     Good luck,   Anne and John,  Bali Hai,  SM319,  for sale in Malta.

 

 

Possibly someone with a Super Maramu near #472 could take some photos of the location of the micro switches and post them. I would, but with 387, I fear there were some changes in the almost 3 years of production.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:43 PM, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Andrew,

 

I can tell you from very recent experience that Brava (SM2K #400) has a 10 amp car fuse installed in the linear actuator, and it works.  I had neglected to put up the bow thruster until I was out of the harbor in some swells, and when I tried to bring it up in those conditions there was enough pressure on the bow thruster shaft that the bow thruster's pointed end on the top of the motor jammed against the edge of the receiving cone, thus failing to fully rise and thus not giving me the familiar alarm saying "I am fully up!".   Inspection showed that the bow thruster was jammed, and it would not go up or down.  I shut off the system in short order and slowly returned into the harbor. 

 

Back at a mooring I was able to physically unjam the motor/shaft by looping a line around the shaft near the top (pointed end) and pulling really hard.  The up/down controlls still did not work.  I then examined the "black box" (linear actuator) by taking off the 4 cover screws and found that the 10 amp car fuse had blown.  Natually I did not have any spares aboard, so a crew member shorted the fuse with a small piece of wire and voila the bow thruster once again went up and down!

 

So under certain circumstances like my jam, the 10 amp fuse does serve a function to avoid burning out the motor that raises and lowers the bow thruster.  It is not clear to me why your 10 amp fuse failed to protect your motor.  Am I correct that you tested the fuse for electrical continuity and not just by visual inspection?   Please do keep the rest of us informed of your progress in understanding the system.

 

Derick

SM2K #400 Brava

On the hard in Antigua

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking toilet pumps

GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
 

Hi Malcolm,
If you have the standard RM69 without locking handle, then this is not an uncommon problem. It may be the same on a locking handle model but I am not familiar with the sizes. If the shaft surface is in reasonable condition you can just replace the lipseal on the top of the pump assy. The original size is 10x19x7 but I use 10x19x6 which are more easily avaiable in the UK. If I cannot get seals with stainless springs then I remove the spring and replace it with an approriately sized nitrile O ring which acts as a spring and will not corrode.

From memory the size of the  O ring on the pump piston is 49x5.3x37.5 from but I keep both this size and 49x6 on hand as this larger size will take up a some wear if needed.
I have found these two items to be the most common to require replacement and as so little from a  non-marine supplier you can keep a bag full in stock!

RM are distributed by a number of companies and so spares should be available.
Plastimo do still list the toilet. Their part number for the standard unit is 403060 and the lockinghandle unit is 403089, unfortunately I do not have the part numbers for the spares kit but at least this may lead you to a spares kit.

Regards
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr




From: "Malcolm Armitage marmitage73@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Sent: Saturday, 23 August 2014, 10:36
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking toilet pumps

 
Hi
I got a problem with the toilet pumps leaking when in the flushing position. As you pump the plunger water comes out from around the shaft. I have not tried to take it to bits just yet. The label has come off but I don't think it's Jabsco it looks like NZ or LK?
 
If anyone could offer any advice I would really appreciate it.
 
Regards
 
Malcolm
SM 117
 



Gasket material

rossny@mail.com
 

Roy. Thanks for the offer. My 1989 Maramu # 261 could use about 25' (I did not measure yet) for the two forward and the smaller aft locker. If all is already spoken for then please post the source.
Eric. Bebe was the first to respond so I would be glad to split a roll with you if you are in NY.
Fair winds.
Ross
Maramu #261
Currently in Beaufort. NC
On the way to NYC.......


Re: Leaking toilet pumps

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Malcolm,Based on your hull #, I'm assuming you have a Raske & Van der Meyde RM 69. Jabsco also produced this toilet under a different name, but it is now obsolete, and not supported by Jabsco. With that said, Budget Marine in the Caribean seems to have all the parts available, and I'll include a link to the web site below. We recently acquired hull #72, and need parts for both toilets, and will be placing an order soon.

Regards,
Steve
S/V Aloha SM 72 (Currently in Brunswick, GA)

Caribbean's Leading Chandlery - Budget Marine

 




Re: Santorin Balooner

Ian Park
 

Everyone to their own choice.
I had an asymmetric on a removable bowsprit and Bamar furler on my last boat. Great for what it did. But it was not without it's occasional issue involving foredeck work

I'm 67 now and can do without squirming around the foredeck on a dark and breezy night. So the original Amel system suits down to the ground! And I didn't compound one error with a second. We wound in so small we were down to 5 knots running out the wind. All safely stored the next day and no distortion to the sails!

Ian. SN 96 Ocean Hobo


Re: Leaking toilet pumps

Ian Park
 

Malcolm
Jabsco has four bolts securing the base, mine has three. I replaced one pump with a plastimo which fits. Otherwise, try taking the pump off and tightening the nut at the base of the plunger and/or replacing the o ring. This should tighten the seal on the bore. It may well be the bore of the pump is worn and needs replacing. Around 60 to 70 euros depending where you are .

Ian SN96 Ocean Hobo


Leaking toilet pumps

Malcolm Armitage <marmitage73@...>
 

Hi
I got a problem with the toilet pumps leaking when in the flushing position. As you pump the plunger water comes out from around the shaft. I have not tried to take it to bits just yet. The label has come off but I don't think it's Jabsco it looks like NZ or LK?
 
If anyone could offer any advice I would really appreciate it.
 
Regards
 
Malcolm
SM 117
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Locker Seals

eric freedman
 


Gasket material dimensions

Roy Duddy <RDuddy@...>
 

Hi Bill,

This is the material. It works wonderfully on my Sharki!

Roy





Roy Duddy
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603-668-9000 Tel.
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Re: Bow Locker Seals

yahoogroups@...
 

Roy, I am interested if it is the same rubber gasket used on a Super Maramu 2000. The SM utilizes the same rubber gasket for bow lockers, lazerrettes, engine hatch, etc. in fact, if it is the same, I may take all you have. Could you give me a drawing of the gasket profile with dimensions, or a link to that information so that I can compare to #387? Bill BeBe #387 Currently Croatia


Bow Locker Seals

Roy Duddy <RDuddy@...>
 

Hi all,

I needed to replace the bow locker seals on my Sharki. In order to obtain the proper seal I had to purchase 100 feet. Needless to say, I have a significant amount remaining after installation. The seal is made by Clean Seal, Inc. It is D576 with 3M Hats adhesive. If anyone would like to purchase some, please let me know.

Roy
Sharki #123
Unwineding
Kittery, Maine


Roy Duddy
One Liberty Lane, Suite 256
Hampton, New Hampshire 03842
603-668-9000 Tel.
603-472-7333 Fax
800-675-0800 New England
603-315-9600 Cell







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Furler Top Swivel (bearing collar)

Craig Briggs
 

My experience is that Aluminum rivets, which are what were factory installed on our Santorin, do act as a mechanical safety link (much like a shear pin on an outboard motor propeller.)  When we forgot to remove the balooner halyard some years back and tried to furl both sails together, the rivets broke before any permanent twist was imparted to the furling extrusion.  Don't know for sure, but it struck me that this was part of Amel's original design intent. (Similarly, the anti-rotation rods bent and relieved the pressure on the top swivel, lest it's cast housing be cracked.) 
Regarding a lubricant on the foil to use when reassembling, I'd recommend an Anti Sieze thread lubricant or a good grease.  T-9 contains a solvent and wax and the manufacturer Boeshield says it is intended "last many months".  After many years that wax becomes glue!

Cheers,
Craig Briggs, SN#68 "Sangaris", aboard m/v Stadiongracht somewhere in the Atlantic headed for Palm Beach in time for hurricane season, whilst we're aboard our friend's SN#127 "Frances Louise" in Genoa.