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Re: Self Insurance
Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Pat,
Your right! I just thought my questions help paint the picture of risk. I am optimistic that your idea could work, and still interested. Ken SM2K #262 Aquarius in Thailand
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Re: Mizzen furler gearbox, A54 peculiarity?
Randall Walker
Thomas, I have inverted the picture. My furler only opens from the bottom, it just appears too open at the top. I think it was just a different casting, but the unit is the same. The bar with the 2 drill bits passed through was just a scrap 2 foot length,18 inches to 24 will work. A good vise, with a good wrap of bendable metal to protect the furler from vise teeth. If you put the crank handle shaft back in, it will keep the furler from turning in the vise. Turn bottom a turn or two, then remove the crank handle shaft. When putting the bearings back in after cleaning (do not grease bearings) insert internal gear up just far enough to feed the top set of bearings ,then push up, turn over put bottom bearings in tighten bottom, install Crank handle shaft. I doubt the unit will need to be done again for a long time, But anti seize may be an idea?? Hope that helps. Randall A54 #56 Still in Gib...
On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:53 AM Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:
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Re: Self Insurance
Unfortunately, the more you dig into something like this, the less obvious are all the ramifications. Experience, beyond total novice is of limited value in assessing risk; age, accident history, net worth, are far more important. There are very experienced sailors who willingly sail into ANY weather and some who leave their boats at a dock in the path of a hurricane when they could have sailed to safety. Most captive insurance plans are created by companies for their own purposes, managed by their own management structure. As much as I like the idea behind it, It's hard to imaging something like this as a co-op, run democratically.
Robert Giroux Future Amel Owner
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Re: Self Insurance
Patrick McAneny
Dave ,Ken,
A lot of good points,but I think if we have too many restrictions,it would become too complicated. It would take someone's time and ability to assess a owners qualifications to join into the group .I am afraid if we make this too complicated ,it won't get off the ground. I also don't think the very fact that you have had a claim in the past ,indicates that you are a higher risk . I too have never had a car accident claim nor even a health ,or home insurance claim. I have not had a ticket in 30 yrs. Yet my boat electronics was damaged by a nearby lightning strike while on my mooring in front of our house . Lightning is random, can hit any boat, and has no bearing on my seamanship. I had another claim, while anchored in Guadeloupe , three charter cats anchored about 75 yards in front of me . Overnight at 4 am with 30 kt. gusts a 47 ft. cat from Dream Yacht Charters drug anchor and hit us , we were asleep . We ourselves were so well anchored that we held boat boats for almost an hour before they broke our anchor out. My insurance Pantaenius told me to make a claim with them and they would seek reimbursement from DYCharter. So I have had two claims ,and may not qualify for membership ,but I submit that I bear no responsibility for these claim and that they do not reflect on my 50 plus years of operating boats.
We actually are a low risk ,as we live in Maryland on the Sassafras River ,a hurricane hole and only cruise every other year ,then for just six months. I know we would be sharing risk with full time cruisers ,cruising in unfamiliar waters and at higher risks. But I would be willing to accept their risk as I think the number of Amels that are a total lose is quit low and the risk would be shared by many.
I would like to know how many boats have been a total lose outside of hurricane zones ,say in the last ten years. If it was say five @ $250,000. ,if that lose was shared by 200 members ,that would amount to $6,250. per member over ten years, or $625.00 per year. If your initial one time deposit was a percentage of your declared boat value ,say 2.5% ,coupled with a deductible say 10% based on the fixed value ,that would balance the relative difference in boat values.
Once the group had a sizable reserve to cover a loss or two ,in the event of a loss perhaps an assessment would be made on each member to replenish the fund . I think that an owner assuming no claims would receive a 50% refund of his initial deposit ,make this attractive,after all it is about sharing the risk ,while saving money. I think if we keep it simple and find someone to administer it,and assuming there was enough members wishing to join ,this could work to everyone's benefit.
One would still need to obtain liability insurance. One could also obtain full coverage as now, and have a much lower fixed value ,which should lower the premiums. I am trying too obtain insurance now ,and insurance has been hard to find,with many exemptions and very high premiums. I think its going to get worst as there are fewer underwriters in the offshore business.
Stay Safe,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
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From: Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Tue, May 19, 2020 3:34 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance Though I think it would be a great idea to start the "Amel Group Insurance Company" AGIC, it's a lot more than just opening a bank account and filling it with our $6000 each month. Insurance companies are Bankers first, and Offer insurance second. Once you get the first $1.2M in the bank it has to be invested, and everyone will have different ideas of where to invest it. Well hedged is probably best, but these days I have been a very unsuccessful investor!
On the questionnaire - Ask about Auto, Motorcycle, Airplane Insurance - Any tickets past 10 years, and any claims? People are the same on the water as they are on land or in the air. Careful drivers on land and in the air, will be careful captains on the water. I also think that the owners that will be insured by AGIC should be required to have three owners confirm that the owner is worthy of getting insurance through AGIC. The first 200 owners insured also need to be well vetted be part of the group. All you need is a few bad actors to bankrupt an insurance company. Everyone has different ideas of what the appropriate level of experience should be required to sail an Amel off shore. What would be the level of instruction/experience required for new owners, and who would be capable of imparting that knowledge and signing off for a new owner to be insured. Bill's class would be a good one, but should Bill alone be able to sign off for a new member? No one person should. There's a lot of benefits we could gain by starting this venture. For one, it would make the AMEL brand more valuable if the insurance was transferrable to a new owner given a mandatory level of experience, no claims (any insurance), and an AMEL offshore sailing course. Just like a check ride by the FAA. To do this right we need a village, and I think the AMEL Owners are the right village. If we start now, we could draft a document and get this started by the end of the year. First get interest level. 200 boats would probably be a good start. Draft a Document how the company would operate. 1. Investments 2. Personal requirements to be insured 3. What/Where will the insurance cover 4. How/who will manage the claims 5. Define a bad risk owner, and how will a bad risk owner be deleted from the insurance group. 6. Insurance claims - I have never had a claim on my Car Insurance, Motorcycle Insurance, Boat Insurance, or Airplane Insurance. Yup, I HAVE NEVER MADE A CLAIM IN 40 years of driving several types of vehicles. 7. Tickets in the last 10 years - Yup, I received 1 speeding ticket between San Diego and Vegas. Just moving with traffic. Safer to move at the same speed as traffic even though I was Breaking the Law. So the first think would be to find out who is interested in the insurance, and each should answer the following questions. If there is interest we need to get everyone into a spreadsheet and when we get to 200 people we can move forward to the next step. HERE IS MINE 1. Current Insurance Company: JACKLINE POLICY 2. Cost yearly: $5700 3. Coverage amount: $280K 4. Coverage location: Worldwide except weather zones 5. 3rd party Liability: $1M 6. Solo Sailor: ? 7. Insurance claims - I have never had a claim on my Car Insurance, Motorcycle Insurance, Boat Insurance, or Airplane Insurance. Yup, I HAVE NEVER MADE A CLAIM IN 40 years of driving several types of vehicles. 8. Tickets in the last 10 years - Yup, I received 1 speeding ticket between San Diego and Vegas. Just moving with traffic. Safer to move at the same speed as traffic even though I was Breaking the Law. 9. ?? Any other questions we need to ask to get the first 220 or more first responders? Some people will not meet the standards of the majority, so we will need to get more than the number required for critical mass. Even I may not meet the standards of some. Done rambling.... Ken Powers Aquarius SM2K #262 Currently in Phuket Thailand
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Re: Self Insurance
Ken Powers mentions the Jackline Policy he has. That product was started by Al Golden and his son Gary at their (at the time) brokerage company called IMIS, now bought out by Gowrie. Al's retired and his son Gary, as some posts in this thread note, is now on his own and expanding his offerings of cruiser's coverage. The Golden's have always been staunch supporters of the Seven Seas Cruising Association - SSCA and marketed to that group as an excellent base of customers who were cruising savvy which gave the underwriters (Markel) a desirable low-risk group to insure - quite similar to what Amel owners could do.
Interestingly, back in the 90's another broker offered a substantial discount to sailors who were members of SSCA. Lo and behold, the membership rolls of the organization zoomed from about 2000 boats to 5000 by the late 90's as membership was never contingent on sailing experience (anyone could join SSCA as an associate and get the discount, then could become a voting "commodore" after demonstrating live-aboard and passagemaking experience). That diluted the insurance underwriting appeal and the product was dropped after a few years (there was also some other drama going on with the broker). I'd recommend a chat with Gary which could be very instructive at least, or even present him with an opportunity he could pursue as a professional in the business to offer an AGIC policy. Food for thought. Craig
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Re: Crew to NY. Courtney
Hi Eric sorry but that won't fit my work schedule if you decide to go late June early July I may be able to help
Cheers
Courtney
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From: eric freedman <kimberlite@...> To: 'eric' <kimberlite@...>; main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Mon, May 18, 2020 8:43 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Crew to NY. Courtney Courtney,
Sorry I thought I was writing to Tom. Eric From: eric [mailto:kimberlite@...] Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 8:30 PM To: 'eric'; main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: RE: Crew to NY. Hi Tom. I will leave as soon as the government of SXM allows me to go to Kimberlite. I have been trying to land on the island for 6 weeks. I will be in touch as soon as I hear from the government. I will let you know about crew at that time. Thank you for the offer. My email is kimberlite@... Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Courtney Gorman via groups.io Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 7:56 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] How I plan to get to St Maarten. Hi Eric when are you planning on going? In March I was going to stop and leave my boat in Saint Martin but ended up selling all the way back to Georgia depending on when you go and if you’re interested in crew On May 18, 2020, at 6:55 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote: Hi Tom, I am working with the government of St Maarten to take Kimberlite out of the island. I will fly into St Thomas and enter St Maarten either via private plane of chartered motor boat. I would then sail over to St Thomas to fuel up , provision , and sail back to NY. I might have to single hand to NY. It looks like the government might have a plan for a number of people to arrive via private conveyance and sail away. Is there anyone else in the group trying to get to St Maarten? If so we could share the cost of the trip from St Thomas to St Maarten. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Peacock Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:35 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes She is at Club Nautico in San Juan. I will be flying down as soon as I can be sure that I won’t have to spend 2 weeks in quarantine at the airport hotel. Even though there’s more square feet in most hotel rooms than on a Super Maramu, I think I would go certifiably nuts in a hotel. On Apr 20, 2020, at 8:04 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote: Hi Tom, Do you have any Idea when you will attempt to get back to your boat? Where is she? I might be flying into STT to get to SXM. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 From: <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [ <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Peacock Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 2:36 PM To: <mailto:main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes Hi Eric, No idea. Need to be on more intimate terms with the governor. I heard today from the dockmaster in the marina where Aletes is that a captain of a mega yacht flew in, told the authorities that he was going to quarantine on his boat. They told him no way, and he is now spending 14 days at the airport hotel. Not what he had planned. On Apr 19, 2020, at 8:50 PM, eric freedman < <mailto:kimberlite@...> kimberlite@...> wrote: Hi Tom, Have you heard when they are lifting the quarantine on puerti Rico? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 From: <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [ <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Peacock Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 12:13 PM To: <mailto:main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes My only thought is like others, make certain that there is no chlorine. Obviously, there shouldn’t be if all you do is make RO water. Do you ever put water in the tank from the marina? We often have both RO and shore water, tough to tell how much chlorine, although you can buy test strips. I will sometimes flush with a couple of gallons of RO water drawn from the control panel tap, rather than flush with water from the tank. Assuming the above is useless advice, you might try looking at <https://www.genesysro.com/uploads/docs/STUDY%20OF%20THE-PHYSICAL-AND-CHEMIC AL-DAMAGE-ON-REVERSE-OSMOSIS-MEMBRANES-DETECTED-BY-AUTOPSIES-NURIA.pdf> https://www.genesysro.com/uploads/docs/STUDY%20OF%20THE-PHYSICAL-AND-CHEMICA L-DAMAGE-ON-REVERSE-OSMOSIS-MEMBRANES-DETECTED-BY-AUTOPSIES-NURIA.pdf This details some of what can go wrong, including post-mortem pictures. Interestingly, there are several causes for physical damage to the membranes (as opposed to chemical) that might have some bearing on your issue. Tom Peacock SM 240 Aletes, San Juan PR Waiting to fly back down to PR next month On Apr 18, 2020, at 8:21 PM, Mark Erdos < <mailto:mcerdos@...> mcerdos@...> wrote: I need a little help with water maker usage and maintenance, please. Cream Puff has a 24v D60 water-maker. My problem is we seem to be going through membranes at the rate of a pair a year. I have read where others have used the same set of membranes for years and still get drinkable water. This is not the case with us. We are in our 5th year of full time cruising and are now on our 6th set of membranes. When I last change membranes in Colombia, this was about March 2019. Our current membranes are just over a year old. The PPMs are starting to creep up a bit now and we have gone from the 300 range to the 500 range. We notice a change in drinking quality over 600 PPMs. This is when we usually change the membranes. We run the water-maker at least once a week when in a marina, flush it with the fresh water rinse. I have a double charcoal filter set up for the tank rinse. When on anchor it is run just about every day. I am careful to watch the pressure and water making float gauge. I normally set it at 55 liters per hour and this put the pressure in lower side of the green range. Any ideas why our membranes are not lasting or why our PPMs creep up? With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia <http://www.creampuff.us/> www.creampuff.us
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Re: Bulkhead Thickness & Screw length
Trevor Lusty
Sorry Richie,
either trevlusty at gmail dot com or trevorlusty at hotmail dot com and I will get straight back to you.. T
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Re: Self Insurance
Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Though I think it would be a great idea to start the "Amel Group Insurance Company" AGIC, it's a lot more than just opening a bank account and filling it with our $6000 each month. Insurance companies are Bankers first, and Offer insurance second. Once you get the first $1.2M in the bank it has to be invested, and everyone will have different ideas of where to invest it. Well hedged is probably best, but these days I have been a very unsuccessful investor!
On the questionnaire - Ask about Auto, Motorcycle, Airplane Insurance - Any tickets past 10 years, and any claims? People are the same on the water as they are on land or in the air. Careful drivers on land and in the air, will be careful captains on the water. I also think that the owners that will be insured by AGIC should be required to have three owners confirm that the owner is worthy of getting insurance through AGIC. The first 200 owners insured also need to be well vetted be part of the group. All you need is a few bad actors to bankrupt an insurance company. Everyone has different ideas of what the appropriate level of experience should be required to sail an Amel off shore. What would be the level of instruction/experience required for new owners, and who would be capable of imparting that knowledge and signing off for a new owner to be insured. Bill's class would be a good one, but should Bill alone be able to sign off for a new member? No one person should. There's a lot of benefits we could gain by starting this venture. For one, it would make the AMEL brand more valuable if the insurance was transferrable to a new owner given a mandatory level of experience, no claims (any insurance), and an AMEL offshore sailing course. Just like a check ride by the FAA. To do this right we need a village, and I think the AMEL Owners are the right village. If we start now, we could draft a document and get this started by the end of the year. First get interest level. 200 boats would probably be a good start. Draft a Document how the company would operate. 1. Investments 2. Personal requirements to be insured 3. What/Where will the insurance cover 4. How/who will manage the claims 5. Define a bad risk owner, and how will a bad risk owner be deleted from the insurance group. 6. Insurance claims - I have never had a claim on my Car Insurance, Motorcycle Insurance, Boat Insurance, or Airplane Insurance. Yup, I HAVE NEVER MADE A CLAIM IN 40 years of driving several types of vehicles. 7. Tickets in the last 10 years - Yup, I received 1 speeding ticket between San Diego and Vegas. Just moving with traffic. Safer to move at the same speed as traffic even though I was Breaking the Law. So the first think would be to find out who is interested in the insurance, and each should answer the following questions. If there is interest we need to get everyone into a spreadsheet and when we get to 200 people we can move forward to the next step. HERE IS MINE 1. Current Insurance Company: JACKLINE POLICY 2. Cost yearly: $5700 3. Coverage amount: $280K 4. Coverage location: Worldwide except weather zones 5. 3rd party Liability: $1M 6. Solo Sailor: ? 7. Insurance claims - I have never had a claim on my Car Insurance, Motorcycle Insurance, Boat Insurance, or Airplane Insurance. Yup, I HAVE NEVER MADE A CLAIM IN 40 years of driving several types of vehicles. 8. Tickets in the last 10 years - Yup, I received 1 speeding ticket between San Diego and Vegas. Just moving with traffic. Safer to move at the same speed as traffic even though I was Breaking the Law. 9. ?? Any other questions we need to ask to get the first 220 or more first responders? Some people will not meet the standards of the majority, so we will need to get more than the number required for critical mass. Even I may not meet the standards of some. Done rambling.... Ken Powers Aquarius SM2K #262 Currently in Phuket Thailand
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Re: Onan ballbearing check and valves values
Hi Gary and Oliver,
Per my earlier post, (to Gary's 2 questions) 1. the rotor is bolted to the flywheel and is self-supporting. The end frame with its bearing is, of course, needed for support when the genset is running. 2. The bearing will slip in an out with only, perhaps, putting the new one in the freezer for awhile before inserting it. And, Oliver, as to a procedure for checking the generator bearings for wear, I am unaware of a procedure for that and think you really want to replace it after the hours recommended in the manual (if I recall, it's 2500 hours). One really doesn't normally check bearings for wear - it is a preventive maintenance item and you really want to replace them before they wear "too much" and cause damage to other components. This is not brain surgery - it is a simple DIY task that doesn't need a paid mechanic, unless, of course, that's how you choose to maintain your boat. Good luck with it, Craig
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Re: Self Insurance
Hi together!
We are interesting in an insurance too. Worldwide sailing Homeport: Lüneburg/ Germany Now we are insured by Allianz ESA But there’s any coverage for tropical storms or huricanes from the Equator to the North Pole and 50 east to 100 west in the time from July 1th to November 30th. All the best from Martinique Stefan and Anne OYA, SM 373
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Re: Crew to NY. Courtney
eric freedman
Courtney,
Sorry I thought I was writing to Tom. Eric From: eric [mailto:kimberlite@optonline.net] Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 8:30 PM To: 'eric'; main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: RE: Crew to NY. Hi Tom. I will leave as soon as the government of SXM allows me to go to Kimberlite. I have been trying to land on the island for 6 weeks. I will be in touch as soon as I hear from the government. I will let you know about crew at that time. Thank you for the offer. My email is kimberlite@optonline.net Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Courtney Gorman via groups.io Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 7:56 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] How I plan to get to St Maarten. Hi Eric when are you planning on going? In March I was going to stop and leave my boat in Saint Martin but ended up selling all the way back to Georgia depending on when you go and if you’re interested in crew On May 18, 2020, at 6:55 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@optonline.net> wrote: Hi Tom, I am working with the government of St Maarten to take Kimberlite out of the island. I will fly into St Thomas and enter St Maarten either via private plane of chartered motor boat. I would then sail over to St Thomas to fuel up , provision , and sail back to NY. I might have to single hand to NY. It looks like the government might have a plan for a number of people to arrive via private conveyance and sail away. Is there anyone else in the group trying to get to St Maarten? If so we could share the cost of the trip from St Thomas to St Maarten. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Peacock Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:35 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes She is at Club Nautico in San Juan. I will be flying down as soon as I can be sure that I won’t have to spend 2 weeks in quarantine at the airport hotel. Even though there’s more square feet in most hotel rooms than on a Super Maramu, I think I would go certifiably nuts in a hotel. On Apr 20, 2020, at 8:04 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@optonline.net> wrote: Hi Tom, Do you have any Idea when you will attempt to get back to your boat? Where is she? I might be flying into STT to get to SXM. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 From: <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [ <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Peacock Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 2:36 PM To: <mailto:main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes Hi Eric, No idea. Need to be on more intimate terms with the governor. I heard today from the dockmaster in the marina where Aletes is that a captain of a mega yacht flew in, told the authorities that he was going to quarantine on his boat. They told him no way, and he is now spending 14 days at the airport hotel. Not what he had planned. On Apr 19, 2020, at 8:50 PM, eric freedman < <mailto:kimberlite@optonline.net> kimberlite@optonline.net> wrote: Hi Tom, Have you heard when they are lifting the quarantine on puerti Rico? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 From: <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [ <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Peacock Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 12:13 PM To: <mailto:main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes My only thought is like others, make certain that there is no chlorine. Obviously, there shouldn’t be if all you do is make RO water. Do you ever put water in the tank from the marina? We often have both RO and shore water, tough to tell how much chlorine, although you can buy test strips. I will sometimes flush with a couple of gallons of RO water drawn from the control panel tap, rather than flush with water from the tank. Assuming the above is useless advice, you might try looking at <https://www.genesysro.com/uploads/docs/STUDY%20OF%20THE-PHYSICAL-AND-CHEMIC AL-DAMAGE-ON-REVERSE-OSMOSIS-MEMBRANES-DETECTED-BY-AUTOPSIES-NURIA.pdf> https://www.genesysro.com/uploads/docs/STUDY%20OF%20THE-PHYSICAL-AND-CHEMICA L-DAMAGE-ON-REVERSE-OSMOSIS-MEMBRANES-DETECTED-BY-AUTOPSIES-NURIA.pdf This details some of what can go wrong, including post-mortem pictures. Interestingly, there are several causes for physical damage to the membranes (as opposed to chemical) that might have some bearing on your issue. Tom Peacock SM 240 Aletes, San Juan PR Waiting to fly back down to PR next month On Apr 18, 2020, at 8:21 PM, Mark Erdos < <mailto:mcerdos@gmail.com> mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: I need a little help with water maker usage and maintenance, please. Cream Puff has a 24v D60 water-maker. My problem is we seem to be going through membranes at the rate of a pair a year. I have read where others have used the same set of membranes for years and still get drinkable water. This is not the case with us. We are in our 5th year of full time cruising and are now on our 6th set of membranes. When I last change membranes in Colombia, this was about March 2019. Our current membranes are just over a year old. The PPMs are starting to creep up a bit now and we have gone from the 300 range to the 500 range. We notice a change in drinking quality over 600 PPMs. This is when we usually change the membranes. We run the water-maker at least once a week when in a marina, flush it with the fresh water rinse. I have a double charcoal filter set up for the tank rinse. When on anchor it is run just about every day. I am careful to watch the pressure and water making float gauge. I normally set it at 55 liters per hour and this put the pressure in lower side of the green range. Any ideas why our membranes are not lasting or why our PPMs creep up? With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia <http://www.creampuff.us/>; www.creampuff.us
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Re: Crew to NY.
eric freedman
Hi,
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Would you please send me your tele number and email to my email address. Fair Winds Eric From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of eric freedman Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 8:30 PM To: 'eric'; main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Crew to NY. Hi Tom. I will leave as soon as the government of SXM allows me to go to Kimberlite. I have been trying to land on the island for 6 weeks. I will be in touch as soon as I hear from the government. I will let you know about crew at that time. Thank you for the offer. My email is kimberlite@optonline.net Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Courtney Gorman via groups.io Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 7:56 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] How I plan to get to St Maarten. Hi Eric when are you planning on going? In March I was going to stop and leave my boat in Saint Martin but ended up selling all the way back to Georgia depending on when you go and if you’re interested in crew
On May 18, 2020, at 6:55 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@optonline.net> wrote:
Hi Tom, I am working with the government of St Maarten to take Kimberlite out of the island. I will fly into St Thomas and enter St Maarten either via private plane of chartered motor boat. I would then sail over to St Thomas to fuel up , provision , and sail back to NY. I might have to single hand to NY. It looks like the government might have a plan for a number of people to arrive via private conveyance and sail away. Is there anyone else in the group trying to get to St Maarten? If so we could share the cost of the trip from St Thomas to St Maarten. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Peacock Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:35 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes She is at Club Nautico in San Juan. I will be flying down as soon as I can be sure that I won’t have to spend 2 weeks in quarantine at the airport hotel. Even though there’s more square feet in most hotel rooms than on a Super Maramu, I think I would go certifiably nuts in a hotel. On Apr 20, 2020, at 8:04 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@optonline.net> wrote: Hi Tom, Do you have any Idea when you will attempt to get back to your boat? Where is she? I might be flying into STT to get to SXM. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 From: <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [ <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Peacock Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 2:36 PM To: <mailto:main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes Hi Eric, No idea. Need to be on more intimate terms with the governor. I heard today from the dockmaster in the marina where Aletes is that a captain of a mega yacht flew in, told the authorities that he was going to quarantine on his boat. They told him no way, and he is now spending 14 days at the airport hotel. Not what he had planned. On Apr 19, 2020, at 8:50 PM, eric freedman < <mailto:kimberlite@optonline.net> kimberlite@optonline.net> wrote: Hi Tom, Have you heard when they are lifting the quarantine on puerti Rico? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 From: <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [ <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Peacock Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 12:13 PM To: <mailto:main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes My only thought is like others, make certain that there is no chlorine. Obviously, there shouldn’t be if all you do is make RO water. Do you ever put water in the tank from the marina? We often have both RO and shore water, tough to tell how much chlorine, although you can buy test strips. I will sometimes flush with a couple of gallons of RO water drawn from the control panel tap, rather than flush with water from the tank. Assuming the above is useless advice, you might try looking at <https://www.genesysro.com/uploads/docs/STUDY%20OF%20THE-PHYSICAL-AND-CHEMIC AL-DAMAGE-ON-REVERSE-OSMOSIS-MEMBRANES-DETECTED-BY-AUTOPSIES-NURIA.pdf> https://www.genesysro.com/uploads/docs/STUDY%20OF%20THE-PHYSICAL-AND-CHEMICA L-DAMAGE-ON-REVERSE-OSMOSIS-MEMBRANES-DETECTED-BY-AUTOPSIES-NURIA.pdf This details some of what can go wrong, including post-mortem pictures. Interestingly, there are several causes for physical damage to the membranes (as opposed to chemical) that might have some bearing on your issue. Tom Peacock SM 240 Aletes, San Juan PR Waiting to fly back down to PR next month On Apr 18, 2020, at 8:21 PM, Mark Erdos < <mailto:mcerdos@gmail.com> mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: I need a little help with water maker usage and maintenance, please. Cream Puff has a 24v D60 water-maker. My problem is we seem to be going through membranes at the rate of a pair a year. I have read where others have used the same set of membranes for years and still get drinkable water. This is not the case with us. We are in our 5th year of full time cruising and are now on our 6th set of membranes. When I last change membranes in Colombia, this was about March 2019. Our current membranes are just over a year old. The PPMs are starting to creep up a bit now and we have gone from the 300 range to the 500 range. We notice a change in drinking quality over 600 PPMs. This is when we usually change the membranes. We run the water-maker at least once a week when in a marina, flush it with the fresh water rinse. I have a double charcoal filter set up for the tank rinse. When on anchor it is run just about every day. I am careful to watch the pressure and water making float gauge. I normally set it at 55 liters per hour and this put the pressure in lower side of the green range. Any ideas why our membranes are not lasting or why our PPMs creep up? With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia <http://www.creampuff.us/>; www.creampuff.us
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Re: Crew to NY.
eric freedman
Hi Tom.
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I will leave as soon as the government of SXM allows me to go to Kimberlite. I have been trying to land on the island for 6 weeks. I will be in touch as soon as I hear from the government. I will let you know about crew at that time. Thank you for the offer. My email is kimberlite@optonline.net Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Courtney Gorman via groups.io Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 7:56 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] How I plan to get to St Maarten. Hi Eric when are you planning on going? In March I was going to stop and leave my boat in Saint Martin but ended up selling all the way back to Georgia depending on when you go and if you’re interested in crew
On May 18, 2020, at 6:55 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@optonline.net> wrote:
Hi Tom, I am working with the government of St Maarten to take Kimberlite out of the island. I will fly into St Thomas and enter St Maarten either via private plane of chartered motor boat. I would then sail over to St Thomas to fuel up , provision , and sail back to NY. I might have to single hand to NY. It looks like the government might have a plan for a number of people to arrive via private conveyance and sail away. Is there anyone else in the group trying to get to St Maarten? If so we could share the cost of the trip from St Thomas to St Maarten. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Peacock Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:35 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes She is at Club Nautico in San Juan. I will be flying down as soon as I can be sure that I won’t have to spend 2 weeks in quarantine at the airport hotel. Even though there’s more square feet in most hotel rooms than on a Super Maramu, I think I would go certifiably nuts in a hotel. On Apr 20, 2020, at 8:04 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@optonline.net> wrote: Hi Tom, Do you have any Idea when you will attempt to get back to your boat? Where is she? I might be flying into STT to get to SXM. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 From: <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [ <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Peacock Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 2:36 PM To: <mailto:main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes Hi Eric, No idea. Need to be on more intimate terms with the governor. I heard today from the dockmaster in the marina where Aletes is that a captain of a mega yacht flew in, told the authorities that he was going to quarantine on his boat. They told him no way, and he is now spending 14 days at the airport hotel. Not what he had planned. On Apr 19, 2020, at 8:50 PM, eric freedman < <mailto:kimberlite@optonline.net> kimberlite@optonline.net> wrote: Hi Tom, Have you heard when they are lifting the quarantine on puerti Rico? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 From: <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [ <mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Peacock Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 12:13 PM To: <mailto:main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Excessive usage of water maker membranes My only thought is like others, make certain that there is no chlorine. Obviously, there shouldn’t be if all you do is make RO water. Do you ever put water in the tank from the marina? We often have both RO and shore water, tough to tell how much chlorine, although you can buy test strips. I will sometimes flush with a couple of gallons of RO water drawn from the control panel tap, rather than flush with water from the tank. Assuming the above is useless advice, you might try looking at <https://www.genesysro.com/uploads/docs/STUDY%20OF%20THE-PHYSICAL-AND-CHEMIC AL-DAMAGE-ON-REVERSE-OSMOSIS-MEMBRANES-DETECTED-BY-AUTOPSIES-NURIA.pdf> https://www.genesysro.com/uploads/docs/STUDY%20OF%20THE-PHYSICAL-AND-CHEMICA L-DAMAGE-ON-REVERSE-OSMOSIS-MEMBRANES-DETECTED-BY-AUTOPSIES-NURIA.pdf This details some of what can go wrong, including post-mortem pictures. Interestingly, there are several causes for physical damage to the membranes (as opposed to chemical) that might have some bearing on your issue. Tom Peacock SM 240 Aletes, San Juan PR Waiting to fly back down to PR next month On Apr 18, 2020, at 8:21 PM, Mark Erdos < <mailto:mcerdos@gmail.com> mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote: I need a little help with water maker usage and maintenance, please. Cream Puff has a 24v D60 water-maker. My problem is we seem to be going through membranes at the rate of a pair a year. I have read where others have used the same set of membranes for years and still get drinkable water. This is not the case with us. We are in our 5th year of full time cruising and are now on our 6th set of membranes. When I last change membranes in Colombia, this was about March 2019. Our current membranes are just over a year old. The PPMs are starting to creep up a bit now and we have gone from the 300 range to the 500 range. We notice a change in drinking quality over 600 PPMs. This is when we usually change the membranes. We run the water-maker at least once a week when in a marina, flush it with the fresh water rinse. I have a double charcoal filter set up for the tank rinse. When on anchor it is run just about every day. I am careful to watch the pressure and water making float gauge. I normally set it at 55 liters per hour and this put the pressure in lower side of the green range. Any ideas why our membranes are not lasting or why our PPMs creep up? With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia <http://www.creampuff.us/>; www.creampuff.us
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Re: Mizzen furler gearbox, A54 peculiarity?
Mohammad Shirloo
Hi Thomas;
Unfortunately, we are not on board, so I cannot definitively answer your question. However, I do recall holding the gear box in my hands and wondering how to get into it. If there was a screw cap, it would have drawn my attention to it. That plus a lack of time, led me to just spray the CorosionX inside. So, I’m guessing that ours looks more like yours, without a cap.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Sv Garulfo via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 4:52 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Mizzen furler gearbox, A54 peculiarity?
Hi Randall & Mohammad,
In Randall’s picture, i noticed the gearbox housing is consistent with the drawing in Gary Silver’s document.
My gearbox appears slightly different, at least from the outside. It doesn’t have a screwed top lid.
Mohammad, what is your gearbox like? Mine or Randall’s? Does it have straight through drain holes?
Randall, Did you have to apply great force to unscrew the bottom part? How much leverage does your tool have? How long is the handle?
Thanks
Thomas A54-122 Tahuata, French Polynesia
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Crew to NY.
eric freedman
Hi Tom. I will leave as soon as the government of SXM allows me to go to Kimberlite. I have been trying to land on the island for 6 weeks.
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Courtney Gorman via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 7:56 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] How I plan to get to St Maarten.
Hi Eric when are you planning on going? In March I was going to stop and leave my boat in Saint Martin but ended up selling all the way back to Georgia depending on when you go and if you’re interested in crew On May 18, 2020, at 6:55 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
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Re: Self Insurance
I like the idea of a pooled self-insurance program. There are any number of ways to go about it. We could self-administer or find an individual or company that specializes in setting up these programs. They exist out there. Two early questions come to mind, among many more to follow. 1. Some of us are buying insurance to allow cruising in a certain locale, such as the Mediterranean or Caribbean. Others are purchasing policies to allow circumnavigations or in riskier areas such as the Arabian Sea. The point being that we are homogeneous on some aspects (very seaworthy vessels and generally solid cruising experience), but not so homogeneous on others (home ports in hurricane zones vs. the Great Lakes, for example). The actuary has to assess the various risks and price individual policies accordingly. If done properly we should still see significant savings over a for-profit insurer. 2. Even within the Amel owners we may wish to pre-qualify applicants to a group insurance program. (And I say this as a new owner who just purchased an SM2000 as his first cruising boat of any size. I might not qualify myself! ). Regardless, you are by definition a limited number of participants, so there should probably be some basic qualifications required if you wish to attract a solid re-insurer such as Lloyd's of London. My two cents worth....
-- Dave Kurtz SM2 #380 S/V Celtic Cross Detroit, Michigan
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Re: How I plan to get to St Maarten.
Hi Eric when are you planning on going? In March I was going to stop and leave my boat in Saint Martin but ended up selling all the way back to Georgia depending on when you go and if you’re interested in crew
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Re: Mizzen furler gearbox, A54 peculiarity?
Sv Garulfo
Hi Randall & Mohammad, In Randall’s picture, i noticed the gearbox housing is consistent with the drawing in Gary Silver’s document. My gearbox appears slightly different, at least from the outside. It doesn’t have a screwed top lid. Mohammad, what is your gearbox like? Mine or Randall’s? Does it have straight through drain holes? Randall, Did you have to apply great force to unscrew the bottom part? How much leverage does your tool have? How long is the handle? Thanks Thomas A54-122 Tahuata, French Polynesia
On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 02:13, Randall <sailingalbedo@...> wrote:
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Re: New files uploaded to main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
eric freedman
Thanks Bill, Fair Winds Eric
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 6:55 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New files uploaded to main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that the following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io group. Uploaded By: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> Cheers,
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Re: Zink Anode for SPURS Line Cutter
eric freedman
Teun, You can buy a regular pencil zinc and shorten it . It is much cheaper than the Onan factory zinc. Save the brass cap fitting that the zinc fits into . You can then reuse the cap and buy zincs without the brass cap. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 6:51 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Zink Anode for SPURS Line Cutter
Teun,
To the back of the Onan heat exchanger
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