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Re: Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

Kaplan,Andre
 

As a Mango owner, I would be very interested in the work you have done. Especially the switch to lithium. 

My email: kaplan@...

My address: 6 Hardwood RD
Plainville, CT 06062

Thank you

Andre Kaplan
Mango 71 88



On Oct 28, 2019, at 9:44 AM, Charles Bell <shipbldr2000@...> wrote:

Hello Orion,

I am currently performing a complete refit of an  82 Amel Mango whos scope is similar to what you have described (and is probably wider). (24kwh BattleBorn LiPO4 battery bank, 5x5KW inverters, and all new systems, full paint, new rig, etc...) The interior is ripped out and a Maramu-style interior is being built (tongue-in-cheek are calling it a "MangoMu"). We are even installing *GASP* holding tanks... :)

I have an expensive slide deck on the project and well as hundreds of pictures and videos I can share with you, just send me a PM. If there is wider interest I will figure out a more scalable way to share.

If you (or anyone else) are in the Annapolis area and would like to walk the project and see what is happening, please feel free to let me know.

Charles (& Hae)
SV Saturn
Mango #29

Re: Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

Ian Park
 

Fully agree with Mark. 
I have a Santorin. I don’t want air con or freezers etc. It is a great blue water boat as it is. The prop shaft alternator keeps us well charged without running the engine. 
You will only get a Santorin price for your boat after 3 years. 
My advice is look for a well maintained SM that has everything On your wish list and ensure a similar resale price. 
Ian
Ocean Hobo
SN96




On 28 Oct 2019, at 14:15, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:



Orion,

 

I mean the upmost respect as I say this, I do not think the Santorin and adding upgrades is a good plan. You are looking to purchase an Amel and make significant investments and changes. Just the lithium upgrade along is going to cost US$15,000+, Aircon is another US$10,000+ etc (assuming you have an electrical system that can handle the load or you’ll have to make major changes).  Have you considered the cost of ownership while making these upgrades. They will all take considerable time. You will also need an electrician knowledgeable of Amel’s unique floating ground system (a very rare find). Why not buy the SM that already has this stuff. I think you can easily find a well kept Amel in this price range (maybe a tad more). Also keep in mind, in three years when you sell the SM, it will sell for more than the Santorin giving you your extra money back.

 

The best advice I received when purchasing Cream Puff was from Bill Rouse who told me not to change anything for a year. This was very sound advice that prove invaluable. We sailed the eastern USA for the first year of our cruising getting to know our Amel. Only then did we make a couple of changes. We added an arch and solar. We have tried to keep all systems on our vessel as close to the original design as possible. We learned very quickly about the level of detailed thought that went into the vessel design.

 

There is a very good string in this group regarding lithium upgrades. You will find it is not as easy as it sounds. You will also need to change alternators, battery chargers, regulators etc. These are major expensive components for a three year plan. Why not just install good quality batteries. Even if you change them all out midway, this is still 20% of the cost of the upgrade. A good set of Firefly batteries will last more than three years, again 1/3 the cost. I can see adding lithium for a ten year plan, but not a three.

 

I see you make no mention of a washer/dryer. Perhaps the most valuable piece of equipment on our boat is the washer/dryer. We have learned in our travels how doing laundry is a major pain. I can’t imagine cruising full-time without a washer/dryer. This sure has made life on anchor a lot more comfortable.

 

I think your idea of breaking even on upgrades you make to a vessel is a little myopic. All the upgrades will do is sell the vessel faster when it goes to market. You will never recoup monies spent on a boat. If you try, you’ll own the boat longer than planned.

 

My advice, either buy the Santorin and sail it as is. Or, buy the SM and sail it as is. The SM will offer more comforts and in my opinion is easier to sail.

 

This is just my 2¢, I’m sure others will disagree. But, I’d love to see their viewpoints also.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Orion Martin
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 8:18 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

 

Good evening everyone,

After many months of struggling between the Super Maramu and the Santorin, we have settled on the Santorin to do a circumnavigation. In the end the main reasons was cost and time. We considered the possibility that a circumnavigation would take three years, in which all likelyhood we would never use the boat again once we had finished. While the SM is the perfect boat for us (if there is such a thing in yachting), the expenses involved to get the boat up to scratch before we even set sail (let alone the cost of the boat) we found hard to justify for a three year trip. So our next option is the Santorin, in which we think we can modify the galley (to include washing machine and extra bench space), modify the portside seating, add air con to the aft cabin, possibly build a solar arch and install lithium batteries, plus standard antifouling paint/servicing/other minor modifications for under $300k AUD(including the purchase of the boat. Any thoughts on this scenario and its feasibility would be most appreciated.

Regarding the Santorin, I have a few burning questions that i haven't been able to source the information for. Does the Santorin have:
- Freezer under salon seating?
- Any aircon? ( and is there space to install aircon units in aft/forward cabins and salon?)
- Is the Santorin 12V or 24V, and what is the advantage of having 24V compared with 12V?
- If I install the lithium batteries in the passageway, is it possible to fit a small generator in the engine room and do I need one? ( If I have lithium batteries and solar arch, I figure I may only have to turn on the main engine once a day to help charge the batteries with the lithium batteries holding enough power to run aircon in aft cabin during the evening).

I understand purchasing a yacht I would most likely not make any money when it came time to sell, though in this case i would hope to break even especially if we went to the trouble of doing these modifications to the Santorin that future buyers would appreciate. The only thing bugging me is whether the total cost involved with such an enterprise would be mostly recovered or I am throwing good money after bad and could perhaps be better off spending more to buy an SM with less headache.

Again thoughts and recommendations greatly appreciated.

Kindest regards 
Orion

Re: Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed

 

Paul,

I have never done the job of removing the D3 elbow, but have removed various other brands and models; and all were straightforward, except, when replacing use a new gasket. I have removed the Onan elbow which is straightforward.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 4:31 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Bill,

 

I may be interested in both. I have a D3-110i-C and MDKBN 11kva, and will be in Grenada next couple of months. I should be able to check them both out in November when we haul out.

 

I have cleaned up the genset elbow before, have not looked at the Volvo. Is this straightforward to remove?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 27 October 2019 20:04
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed

 

Teun,

 

Yes and maybe. 

 

It is probably going to be 4-6 weeks before HDI begins production of the D3 elbow. 

 

I asked them to consider the Onan. The 7.5 and 11kw Onans have the same elbow. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019, 1:51 PM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

 

Are these SS elbows the same for all VOLVO D3 110 – like I now have the “H” version of the D3?

 

Do they also make one for the ONAN generator model I have on board?

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

NOUMEA  NEW CALEDONIA

October 28, 2019 05:51:21

 

https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 08:23
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed

 

Jeffery,

 

Great!

 

HDI will use it to make a mold, then make an investment cast stainless steel elbow for the D3. For those of you that don't know what we are discussing, many marine engines including Yanmar and Volvo have either a cast iron or welded stainless steel exhaust elbow. These almost always fail, and seem to fail at an inconvenient time. I had my Yanmar welded stainless steel elbow fail in Thailand. The Yanmar OEM part cost me Yanmar list price of $500 plus $500 duty. HDI sells an investment cast stainless steel elbow for less than $300.

 

HDI is a Preferred Vendor of Amel Yacht Owners School. Many Amel owners have added HDI exhaust elbows to their engines. I did. As far as I know, everyone is satisfied and all are very happy with the product and price. I assume that HDI will have the D3-110 part available in 4-6 weeks. The contact information I have is:

HDI Marine Ltd
www.hdimarine.net
Hailey Wilkerson, Director of Marketing


--

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

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On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 1:21 PM JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@...> wrote:

I got it. I replied mine. I'll bring it back with me and send it to you monday

 

 

 

Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.

 

-------- Original message --------

From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>

Date: 10/26/19 2:12 PM (GMT-04:00)

Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed

 

Yes

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 12:29 PM JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@...> wrote:

Bill, are you looking for the exhaust elbow coming off the turbo?

 

 

 

Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.

 

-------- Original message --------

From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>

Date: 10/24/19 1:33 PM (GMT-04:00)

Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed

 

If one of you has a Volvo D3-110 exhaust elbow, I could use it. 

 

As you probably know HDI Marine the manufacturer of Stainless Steel Investment Cast elbows is a Preferred Vendor of Yacht School

 

I just received an email from HDI asking if I could locate a D3-110 elbow for them to use to make a mold which will allow them to produce a Stainless Steel Investment Cast elbow for the D3-110. If you have an old one in any condition, it will work.

 

Let me know.

 

Bill


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Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

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--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: D3-110 oil blow-by

 

Scott,

The Volvo spec for D3 minimum compression is 22 BAR. I believe I would have the compression checked. If any cylinder is significantly below 22 BAR, you likely have some blow-by. Also, locate and check the Turbo Boost Sensor (it varies in different models of the D3). If it gets soaked with oil, you will have RPM issues, and possibly more problems. If it has been soaked in oil, replace it.
--
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Re: Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

Mark Erdos
 

Orion,

 

I mean the upmost respect as I say this, I do not think the Santorin and adding upgrades is a good plan. You are looking to purchase an Amel and make significant investments and changes. Just the lithium upgrade along is going to cost US$15,000+, Aircon is another US$10,000+ etc (assuming you have an electrical system that can handle the load or you’ll have to make major changes).  Have you considered the cost of ownership while making these upgrades. They will all take considerable time. You will also need an electrician knowledgeable of Amel’s unique floating ground system (a very rare find). Why not buy the SM that already has this stuff. I think you can easily find a well kept Amel in this price range (maybe a tad more). Also keep in mind, in three years when you sell the SM, it will sell for more than the Santorin giving you your extra money back.

 

The best advice I received when purchasing Cream Puff was from Bill Rouse who told me not to change anything for a year. This was very sound advice that prove invaluable. We sailed the eastern USA for the first year of our cruising getting to know our Amel. Only then did we make a couple of changes. We added an arch and solar. We have tried to keep all systems on our vessel as close to the original design as possible. We learned very quickly about the level of detailed thought that went into the vessel design.

 

There is a very good string in this group regarding lithium upgrades. You will find it is not as easy as it sounds. You will also need to change alternators, battery chargers, regulators etc. These are major expensive components for a three year plan. Why not just install good quality batteries. Even if you change them all out midway, this is still 20% of the cost of the upgrade. A good set of Firefly batteries will last more than three years, again 1/3 the cost. I can see adding lithium for a ten year plan, but not a three.

 

I see you make no mention of a washer/dryer. Perhaps the most valuable piece of equipment on our boat is the washer/dryer. We have learned in our travels how doing laundry is a major pain. I can’t imagine cruising full-time without a washer/dryer. This sure has made life on anchor a lot more comfortable.

 

I think your idea of breaking even on upgrades you make to a vessel is a little myopic. All the upgrades will do is sell the vessel faster when it goes to market. You will never recoup monies spent on a boat. If you try, you’ll own the boat longer than planned.

 

My advice, either buy the Santorin and sail it as is. Or, buy the SM and sail it as is. The SM will offer more comforts and in my opinion is easier to sail.

 

This is just my 2¢, I’m sure others will disagree. But, I’d love to see their viewpoints also.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Orion Martin
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 8:18 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

 

Good evening everyone,

After many months of struggling between the Super Maramu and the Santorin, we have settled on the Santorin to do a circumnavigation. In the end the main reasons was cost and time. We considered the possibility that a circumnavigation would take three years, in which all likelyhood we would never use the boat again once we had finished. While the SM is the perfect boat for us (if there is such a thing in yachting), the expenses involved to get the boat up to scratch before we even set sail (let alone the cost of the boat) we found hard to justify for a three year trip. So our next option is the Santorin, in which we think we can modify the galley (to include washing machine and extra bench space), modify the portside seating, add air con to the aft cabin, possibly build a solar arch and install lithium batteries, plus standard antifouling paint/servicing/other minor modifications for under $300k AUD(including the purchase of the boat. Any thoughts on this scenario and its feasibility would be most appreciated.

Regarding the Santorin, I have a few burning questions that i haven't been able to source the information for. Does the Santorin have:
- Freezer under salon seating?
- Any aircon? ( and is there space to install aircon units in aft/forward cabins and salon?)
- Is the Santorin 12V or 24V, and what is the advantage of having 24V compared with 12V?
- If I install the lithium batteries in the passageway, is it possible to fit a small generator in the engine room and do I need one? ( If I have lithium batteries and solar arch, I figure I may only have to turn on the main engine once a day to help charge the batteries with the lithium batteries holding enough power to run aircon in aft cabin during the evening).

I understand purchasing a yacht I would most likely not make any money when it came time to sell, though in this case i would hope to break even especially if we went to the trouble of doing these modifications to the Santorin that future buyers would appreciate. The only thing bugging me is whether the total cost involved with such an enterprise would be mostly recovered or I am throwing good money after bad and could perhaps be better off spending more to buy an SM with less headache.

Again thoughts and recommendations greatly appreciated.

Kindest regards 
Orion

Re: D3-110 oil blow-by

Scott SV Tengah
 

Arno,

When I remove the oil filter, it seems the oil is coming from the hose that I'm pointing at in the photo. There is some oil on the intake vanes of the turbo, but I presume that's from oil being sucked into the turbo. I presume a leaky turbo oil seal would manifest itself as oil leaking from the turbo itself rather than oil accumulating upstream, with respect to airflow, of the turbo?

The buildup/leakage is definitely from the bottom of the air filter housing.

FYI I max out at around 2750-2800 rpm. 
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: prop suddenly turning

Miles
 

Hi Mark,

 

Unfortunately it is not so simple.  The prop was just rebuilt by Autoprop before this trip.  I don’t know if it was turning before the rebuild.  It was not turning a few years back and I have not looked at the shaft when sailing since then.   Once in Martinique, I will ask Amel.  My concern is what to do before then.

 

Regards,

Miles

S/Y Ladybug, sm216 on route to Martinique

Re: D3-110 oil blow-by

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Scott,

A clogged crankcase breather is a very real cause and relatively easy to check. Having oil leaking out the air filter is a sure sign you will need to do something.
One question, did you check the turbo for oil leaking. Given the quality of the base D3 block, I have a hard time to believe the piston rings will be the problem unless the engine has had a very bad first life.
Leaking oil seals in turbo compressors are not uncommon.

Cheers,
Arno
SV Luna,
A54-121

Re: Tips for the passage from Chesapeake to St. Maarten?

Alan Grayson
 

Hi Scott, we will be leaving at roughly the same time. At this stage we are leaving direct from Annapolis on the morning of the 3rd. predict wind and windy seem to both agree ( at this stage ). I’m not as worried if the wind is from the NW as the stream is moving NE where we would be crossing. I would prefer more out of the west but as long as it is under 15kts I will be leaving even if its North, it is supposed to be pretty light( once again at this stage), it might make for a bit of a bumpy ride but not too bad. If the wind is higher I will wait for a better wind angle.

We plan on heading to Bermuda mainly because it is a great place to visit and is not that far out of the way. We have done the trip before and it is best to get your easting in early before you hit the southeast trades which means Bermuda is not far out of the way.

Regards

Alan Grayson

SM 406 Ora Pai

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 9:35:22 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tips for the passage from Chesapeake to St. Maarten?
 
Thanks Mike. It'd be great if we could time it to leave more or less around the same time. We'll probably stick around DC this weekend and may just do an overnighter to get to Norfolk on Sunday.

Since leaving with a NW from Norfolk is not advisable, how do you choose your weather window?

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

Charles Bell
 

Hello Orion,

I am currently performing a complete refit of an  82 Amel Mango whos scope is similar to what you have described (and is probably wider). (24kwh BattleBorn LiPO4 battery bank, 5x5KW inverters, and all new systems, full paint, new rig, etc...) The interior is ripped out and a Maramu-style interior is being built (tongue-in-cheek are calling it a "MangoMu"). We are even installing *GASP* holding tanks... :)

I have an expensive slide deck on the project and well as hundreds of pictures and videos I can share with you, just send me a PM. If there is wider interest I will figure out a more scalable way to share.

If you (or anyone else) are in the Annapolis area and would like to walk the project and see what is happening, please feel free to let me know.

Charles (& Hae)
SV Saturn
Mango #29

Re: Tips for the passage from Chesapeake to St. Maarten?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Thanks Mike. It'd be great if we could time it to leave more or less around the same time. We'll probably stick around DC this weekend and may just do an overnighter to get to Norfolk on Sunday.

Since leaving with a NW from Norfolk is not advisable, how do you choose your weather window?

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

D3-110 oil blow-by

Scott SV Tengah
 

Hi all,

My Volvo D3-110 is exhibiting what I think is blow by. Oil migrates up the return hose and slowly collects in the air filter. In the attached photo, I am pointing to the hose where oil migrates.

I have read some articles that indicate that blow by indicates worn rings (only 2250 hours!) but also might be due to a failed/clogged crankcase breather or just because the tolerances are loose when the engine is cold, so there's inevitably some blowby. 

It's not a lot of oil, perhaps a tablespoon per 100 hours or so, but it's annoying in that it starts leaking out of the air filter housing, across the hoses and down to the engine room floor.

Should I be worried?
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Tips for the passage from Chesapeake to St. Maarten?

Mike Ondra
 


Hi Scott. Sounds like you’ve got a decent plan started there. Aletes has made this trip twice before and planning departing Norfolk morning  of November 4 pending final weather check. Taking pretty much the same route you suggest. Let’s stay in touch as we get out to sea.
Mike  Ondra
Aletes SM240


On Oct 28, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:

Hi all,

We're anchored in DC right now and will head south after my boss (aka insurance) allows me to do so. The intent is to stage in Hampton or Norfolk and make the offshore passage to St. Maarten. I believe it's a tad under 1500 nm.

I know many of you have made this passage before so I am hoping to get some tips on how to best time it and also any tips in general. The east coast gets unpredictable in November and we're watching weather, trying to understand the patterns. The conventional wisdom of leaving on a NW'er doesn't seem to make sense for Norfolk because it seems it will take us 2 days to completely clear the Gulf Stream and we don't want to be out in it when the wind clocks to the NE.

Other tidbits I've gotten is that it's not worth it to stop in Bermuda and plan on 10 days more or less. Head E-SE until we get to the 65W and then rhumb line it to St. Maarten. 

It will be just the two of us, FYI. Any and all tips appreciated.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Tips for the passage from Chesapeake to St. Maarten?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Hi all,

We're anchored in DC right now and will head south after my boss (aka insurance) allows me to do so. The intent is to stage in Hampton or Norfolk and make the offshore passage to St. Maarten. I believe it's a tad under 1500 nm.

I know many of you have made this passage before so I am hoping to get some tips on how to best time it and also any tips in general. The east coast gets unpredictable in November and we're watching weather, trying to understand the patterns. The conventional wisdom of leaving on a NW'er doesn't seem to make sense for Norfolk because it seems it will take us 2 days to completely clear the Gulf Stream and we don't want to be out in it when the wind clocks to the NE.

Other tidbits I've gotten is that it's not worth it to stop in Bermuda and plan on 10 days more or less. Head E-SE until we get to the 65W and then rhumb line it to St. Maarten. 

It will be just the two of us, FYI. Any and all tips appreciated.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Track on main boom SM

karkauai
 

Hi Danny, timely question.  I thought they were aluminum.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
karkauai@...
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Oct 28, 2019, at 4:59 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Hi all,

Has anyone replaced the bolts holding the track onto the top of the main boom on the SM 2000. I would particularly like to know what the material of the bolts is so I can get the same to replace them with. Mine are an alloy of some sort. Most definitely not stainless of any kind. They are M 8x50mm countersunk head and thread into the boom, no nuts.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

Re: Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

My advice would be to become very VERY familiar with both models.  You will then be able to evaluate different vessels and understand what prior owners have or have not done.  One common thread that seems to run through the Amel product line is that Henri did things for a specific reason on a particular model - and that it seems to have worked out well over the years.  I was always told not to change anything on the vessel until you have sailed it for one year; I think it was good advice.

You are entering the mariners world so think seriously about how long major modifications or tasks will take to complete.  Good luck.
--
Mark & Debbie Mueller
Brass Ring  A54

Re: Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed

Scott SV Tengah
 

I'd be interested in buying one.

Somewhat related but has anyone replaced the rubber hoses on their D3-110? Ours is around 2250 hours now and 12 years old. I presume the previous owner did not replace them. They look decent but failure will likely happen so I am considering pre-emptive replacement. 

I could just order from a marina-based Volvo dealer but I am hoping there's a cheaper source?

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

Orion Martin
 

P.S. Do Santorins also come with water makers?

Amel Santorin Specs and Alterations

Orion Martin
 

Good evening everyone,

After many months of struggling between the Super Maramu and the Santorin, we have settled on the Santorin to do a circumnavigation. In the end the main reasons was cost and time. We considered the possibility that a circumnavigation would take three years, in which all likelyhood we would never use the boat again once we had finished. While the SM is the perfect boat for us (if there is such a thing in yachting), the expenses involved to get the boat up to scratch before we even set sail (let alone the cost of the boat) we found hard to justify for a three year trip. So our next option is the Santorin, in which we think we can modify the galley (to include washing machine and extra bench space), modify the portside seating, add air con to the aft cabin, possibly build a solar arch and install lithium batteries, plus standard antifouling paint/servicing/other minor modifications for under $300k AUD(including the purchase of the boat. Any thoughts on this scenario and its feasibility would be most appreciated.

Regarding the Santorin, I have a few burning questions that i haven't been able to source the information for. Does the Santorin have:
- Freezer under salon seating?
- Any aircon? ( and is there space to install aircon units in aft/forward cabins and salon?)
- Is the Santorin 12V or 24V, and what is the advantage of having 24V compared with 12V?
- If I install the lithium batteries in the passageway, is it possible to fit a small generator in the engine room and do I need one? ( If I have lithium batteries and solar arch, I figure I may only have to turn on the main engine once a day to help charge the batteries with the lithium batteries holding enough power to run aircon in aft cabin during the evening).

I understand purchasing a yacht I would most likely not make any money when it came time to sell, though in this case i would hope to break even especially if we went to the trouble of doing these modifications to the Santorin that future buyers would appreciate. The only thing bugging me is whether the total cost involved with such an enterprise would be mostly recovered or I am throwing good money after bad and could perhaps be better off spending more to buy an SM with less headache.

Again thoughts and recommendations greatly appreciated.

Kindest regards 
Orion

Re: Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Bill,

 

I may be interested in both. I have a D3-110i-C and MDKBN 11kva, and will be in Grenada next couple of months. I should be able to check them both out in November when we haul out.

 

I have cleaned up the genset elbow before, have not looked at the Volvo. Is this straightforward to remove?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 27 October 2019 20:04
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed

 

Teun,

 

Yes and maybe. 

 

It is probably going to be 4-6 weeks before HDI begins production of the D3 elbow. 

 

I asked them to consider the Onan. The 7.5 and 11kw Onans have the same elbow. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019, 1:51 PM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

 

Are these SS elbows the same for all VOLVO D3 110 – like I now have the “H” version of the D3?

 

Do they also make one for the ONAN generator model I have on board?

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

NOUMEA  NEW CALEDONIA

October 28, 2019 05:51:21

 

https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 08:23
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed

 

Jeffery,

 

Great!

 

HDI will use it to make a mold, then make an investment cast stainless steel elbow for the D3. For those of you that don't know what we are discussing, many marine engines including Yanmar and Volvo have either a cast iron or welded stainless steel exhaust elbow. These almost always fail, and seem to fail at an inconvenient time. I had my Yanmar welded stainless steel elbow fail in Thailand. The Yanmar OEM part cost me Yanmar list price of $500 plus $500 duty. HDI sells an investment cast stainless steel elbow for less than $300.

 

HDI is a Preferred Vendor of Amel Yacht Owners School. Many Amel owners have added HDI exhaust elbows to their engines. I did. As far as I know, everyone is satisfied and all are very happy with the product and price. I assume that HDI will have the D3-110 part available in 4-6 weeks. The contact information I have is:

HDI Marine Ltd
www.hdimarine.net
Hailey Wilkerson, Director of Marketing


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CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 

 

 

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 1:21 PM JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@...> wrote:

I got it. I replied mine. I'll bring it back with me and send it to you monday

 

 

 

Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.

 

-------- Original message --------

From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>

Date: 10/26/19 2:12 PM (GMT-04:00)

Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed

 

Yes

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 12:29 PM JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@...> wrote:

Bill, are you looking for the exhaust elbow coming off the turbo?

 

 

 

Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.

 

-------- Original message --------

From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>

Date: 10/24/19 1:33 PM (GMT-04:00)

Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed

 

If one of you has a Volvo D3-110 exhaust elbow, I could use it. 

 

As you probably know HDI Marine the manufacturer of Stainless Steel Investment Cast elbows is a Preferred Vendor of Yacht School

 

I just received an email from HDI asking if I could locate a D3-110 elbow for them to use to make a mold which will allow them to produce a Stainless Steel Investment Cast elbow for the D3-110. If you have an old one in any condition, it will work.

 

Let me know.

 

Bill


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CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98