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Re: battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM

Brent Cameron
 

Thanks Ulrich... I didn't mean to imply that your hardtop came from the Amel factory, just that it looks like it did.    I particularly like how they focused on BOTH sides of the hard top and finished it like the Amel 55 Hard top with the LED lights inside and the windows.   On a related question, do you still use the dingy railway/cradle system that is in the other video?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT3VnlBR2Uc. Thanks again!  
--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??

Craig Briggs
 

Suggest you use six Mitsteuns. That's 402kg / 888lbs - should be fine for your 85T & accessories/frame and "C" drive partial load. Plus, I think the combination hydraulic/rubber design may be an advantage.
(Now I'm up to 4 cents worth!)
Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??

 

  Mark,

Here is a short-winded reply. 

I do not know of a case where motor mounts caused serious vibration. I suggest that when you replace the motor mounts that you replace either the Vetus Coupling and/or its rubber bushings and you align the engine with a fixed coupling. There is no valid way to correctly align the engine without a fixed coupling. You will likely need a machine shop to make this coupling. Let me know if you need a drawing.


There are mechanics who will say the fixed coupling is not needed, but they probably have never made an alignment of a shaft that is less than 30cm like we have between the engine/transmission output and our Amel C-drive. I estimate there might be a 20% chance a mechanic can align this without a fixed coupling. 

Best,
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:45 AM Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:
Thanks Craig and Matt for your input. 

With regard to my comment about the engine being based on a tractor engine, the point I was trying to make was that It isn't, for example, a super smooth BMW engine. It is very basic so it won't be super quiet. The upside is that you have an engine that a skilled amateur could fix. The electrical connections are very easy to understand and troubleshooting is a breeze. I know because the electrical fitter had to do just that. It turns out that a piece of heatshrink had been badly fitted and a 10 and 40 amp fuse had been put in the wrong places.

I think my troubles will be solved by correct alignment and new, correctly rated engine feet.

I note that that Perkins which weighs 225kg plus gearbox was on 4 Vetus Mitsteun feet. They are rated at 67kg each which is a total of 268kg. That would seem a little light for the Perkins because there were 3 alternators fitted plus the weight of the frame. Clearly Amel would have known this so is it the case that, due to the fact that engine isn't bolted directly to the hull, the engine feet don't need to be as highly rated?

I note another member with a 54 fitted 4 Vetus K50 feet to the engine frame and 2 to the C-drive. These are rated at 50kg each but the Beta 85T engine alone weighs 359kg. Then there is the bigger gearbox, the frame and the alternators.  

What I am asking in a long winded way is for some advice as to which engine feet I should fit to help with the vibration issues.

Many thanks 
 
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??

Mark Barter
 

Thanks Craig and Matt for your input. 

With regard to my comment about the engine being based on a tractor engine, the point I was trying to make was that It isn't, for example, a super smooth BMW engine. It is very basic so it won't be super quiet. The upside is that you have an engine that a skilled amateur could fix. The electrical connections are very easy to understand and troubleshooting is a breeze. I know because the electrical fitter had to do just that. It turns out that a piece of heatshrink had been badly fitted and a 10 and 40 amp fuse had been put in the wrong places.

I think my troubles will be solved by correct alignment and new, correctly rated engine feet.

I note that that Perkins which weighs 225kg plus gearbox was on 4 Vetus Mitsteun feet. They are rated at 67kg each which is a total of 268kg. That would seem a little light for the Perkins because there were 3 alternators fitted plus the weight of the frame. Clearly Amel would have known this so is it the case that, due to the fact that engine isn't bolted directly to the hull, the engine feet don't need to be as highly rated?

I note another member with a 54 fitted 4 Vetus K50 feet to the engine frame and 2 to the C-drive. These are rated at 50kg each but the Beta 85T engine alone weighs 359kg. Then there is the bigger gearbox, the frame and the alternators.  

What I am asking in a long winded way is for some advice as to which engine feet I should fit to help with the vibration issues.

Many thanks 
 
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Re: battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM

Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
 

Hi Alan and Paul,

best thanks for your input on the installation of the battery balancers, which i will pass to our electrician in the marina, as soon as the parts arrive here. The know how in this forum is almost unlimited, neural network, mhm? Great, thanks.

Dear Mohamed, apparently your inquiry about our hardtop has sparked further interest, as Brent and Peter indicate. So I'm welcome to respond throughout the forum:
No hardtop was ever built by Amel on a 54 ab shipyard to my knowledge, ours is also a custom build by the previous owner. in the youtube slideshow you can see all the details. may be also measures. He designed it, it was built in Turkey where he had stayed for a long time. I myself have neither drawings nor measurements, nor anything about the construction, there is no contact to the previous owners, so sorry. I mean to remember he had the HardTop built at Demir Marine Marmaris. All handmade and only the 3rd mould version has then fit. The sub-construction should consist of carbon and foam. Spotlights are mounted in the ceiling and LED strips on the edges. The upper small windows forwards can be opened to the outside. In the ceiling is also a plexi window, to control the mainsail.
We love this deckhouse because it provides perfect wind and weather protection, like a winter garden it can also be closed off sideways and aft with matching sunbrella canvas (with integrated plastic windows and mosquito nets.
This YouTube shows all details and equipment too, but sorry no construction drawings, so sorry!
Alian, your solution appears to me also very professional and versatile too. compliments.

Best wishes to all and THX
Ulrich
„Soleil Bleu“ / A54#088

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Ulrich,
 
I seem to recall reading that it is important that all the cables connecting the balancers are exactly the same in gauge and length.
 
Cheers,
Paul
S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of ULRICH DANGELMEYER
Sent: 27 December 2020 13:34
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM
 
Hello Ameliens,
I hope you are all healthy and in good spirits, wherever you are. Inspired by some comments here about better battery condition and performance, I decided to install Victron battery balancers. We have a 54 #088, and replaced all 12 service batteries in Victron AGM 110Ah deep cycle this summer. Here I have the following questions specifically to other 54 friends who have done this optimization themselves:
- where did you install these blue boxes? Directly in the battery compartment or next to the bulkhead where all the cables and the main switches are mounted?Victron recommends mounting vertically, out of the battery vapor. since I can't get directly into the boat at the moment, I have no idea where and how to mount.
- 2nd question: what is the best way to wire? Victron recommends for 12 batteries 2 balancers connected in parallel. so 1 balancer between 6 batteries. If you have better pragmatic experience, I am very grateful. Since we do not know when we come back to Greece, I would with your recommendation then provide the electrician of the marina with the parts and installation instructions, so that he can install the balancers in the meantime optimally.
I have already asked twice at Pochon, Mr. Geniteau, who make the electrical installations at all Amel. But until today unfortunately no answer or feedback get. pity.
Therefore, I hope for your tremendous practical experience and exchange in this great forum and thank you very much in advance.
 
For 2021, wherever you are, I wish you only the best: health, happiness and fair winds.
Stay healthy!
 
Best regards
Ulrich
"Soleil Bleu" / A54#088
 
 
 


-- 
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Ulrich,

 

I seem to recall reading that it is important that all the cables connecting the balancers are exactly the same in gauge and length.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of ULRICH DANGELMEYER
Sent: 27 December 2020 13:34
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM

 

Hello Ameliens,

I hope you are all healthy and in good spirits, wherever you are. Inspired by some comments here about better battery condition and performance, I decided to install Victron battery balancers. We have a 54 #088, and replaced all 12 service batteries in Victron AGM 110Ah deep cycle this summer. Here I have the following questions specifically to other 54 friends who have done this optimization themselves:

- where did you install these blue boxes? Directly in the battery compartment or next to the bulkhead where all the cables and the main switches are mounted?Victron recommends mounting vertically, out of the battery vapor. since I can't get directly into the boat at the moment, I have no idea where and how to mount.

- 2nd question: what is the best way to wire? Victron recommends for 12 batteries 2 balancers connected in parallel. so 1 balancer between 6 batteries. If you have better pragmatic experience, I am very grateful. Since we do not know when we come back to Greece, I would with your recommendation then provide the electrician of the marina with the parts and installation instructions, so that he can install the balancers in the meantime optimally.

I have already asked twice at Pochon, Mr. Geniteau, who make the electrical installations at all Amel. But until today unfortunately no answer or feedback get. pity.

Therefore, I hope for your tremendous practical experience and exchange in this great forum and thank you very much in advance.

 

For 2021, wherever you are, I wish you only the best: health, happiness and fair winds.

Stay healthy!

 

Best regards
Ulrich
"Soleil Bleu" / A54#088

 

 

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM

Peter Forbes
 

Bonjour Alain,

Thank you - I have seen the video - can you tell me who made it and could  they make another. Your 54 is beautiful.

I am at ppsforbes’at’gmail.com

Cordialement

Peter

Peter Forbes
The Old Rectory 
Farnham
Blandford
DT11 8 DE
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 28 Dec 2020, at 09:41, Alain Durante <info@...> wrote:



Peter,

 

For your information,  hardtop set up on my Amel 54 #021

, photos attached.

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

 

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de Peter Forbes via groups.io
Envoyé : lundi 28 décembre 2020 09:51
À : main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Objet : Re: [AmelYachtOwners] battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM

 

I too am very interested in this new hardtop set up. Carango has a half (forward half) hard top which we sailed around the world but we are interested in replacing that with the Soleil Blue version. Ours has a top window so we can see the set of the main sail from the cockpit which we like. But we do not have solar panel on top because of that. 

 

Can someone tell us where this new hardtop was made and who owns the design.

 

I would like to ask prices of the manufacturer.

 

Can anyone help with that.

 

Peter

Peter Forbes

Carango 

Amel 54 #035

La Rochelle

00447836 209730

07836 209730



On 27 Dec 2020, at 21:38, Brent Cameron <brentcameron61@...> wrote:



I won’t speak for the rest of the forum but I’d also be very interested in hearing about the excellent and beautiful hardtop on Soleil Blue.  For those who haven’t seen it, check out this great video. https://youtu.be/DT7x0SjM648  This hard top looks like it came off the A54 assembly line. Super well done. I’d love to hear how it has worked out. 

 

Brent Cameron, Future Amel owner & Amel Owner's Registry Moderator

On Dec 27, 2020, 12:01 PM -0500, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>, wrote:

Hello Ulrich;

 

Sorry about this question about a completely unrelated issue. But since I did not have your direct e-mail, thought I’d reach out to you  on the forum.

 

We are considering adding a hardtop to our 54 and would like to discuss your experience with the hard top on Soleil Bleu. Would you mind sending me an e-mail directly to mshirloo at transpacific.us

 

I apologize to the rest of the forum for this unrelated post.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of ULRICH DANGELMEYER via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:34 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM

 

Hello Ameliens,

I hope you are all healthy and in good spirits, wherever you are. Inspired by some comments here about better battery condition and performance, I decided to install Victron battery balancers. We have a 54 #088, and replaced all 12 service batteries in Victron AGM 110Ah deep cycle this summer. Here I have the following questions specifically to other 54 friends who have done this optimization themselves:

- where did you install these blue boxes? Directly in the battery compartment or next to the bulkhead where all the cables and the main switches are mounted?Victron recommends mounting vertically, out of the battery vapor. since I can't get directly into the boat at the moment, I have no idea where and how to mount.

- 2nd question: what is the best way to wire? Victron recommends for 12 batteries 2 balancers connected in parallel. so 1 balancer between 6 batteries. If you have better pragmatic experience, I am very grateful. Since we do not know when we come back to Greece, I would with your recommendation then provide the electrician of the marina with the parts and installation instructions, so that he can install the balancers in the meantime optimally.

I have already asked twice at Pochon, Mr. Geniteau, who make the electrical installations at all Amel. But until today unfortunately no answer or feedback get. pity.

Therefore, I hope for your tremendous practical experience and exchange in this great forum and thank you very much in advance.

 

For 2021, wherever you are, I wish you only the best: health, happiness and fair winds.

Stay healthy!

 

Best regards
Ulrich
"Soleil Bleu" / A54#088

 

 

 


--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada

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Re: battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM

Alain Durante
 

Peter,

 

For your information,  hardtop set up on my Amel 54 #021

, photos attached.

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

 

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de Peter Forbes via groups.io
Envoyé : lundi 28 décembre 2020 09:51
À : main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Objet : Re: [AmelYachtOwners] battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM

 

I too am very interested in this new hardtop set up. Carango has a half (forward half) hard top which we sailed around the world but we are interested in replacing that with the Soleil Blue version. Ours has a top window so we can see the set of the main sail from the cockpit which we like. But we do not have solar panel on top because of that. 

 

Can someone tell us where this new hardtop was made and who owns the design.

 

I would like to ask prices of the manufacturer.

 

Can anyone help with that.

 

Peter

Peter Forbes

Carango 

Amel 54 #035

La Rochelle

00447836 209730

07836 209730



On 27 Dec 2020, at 21:38, Brent Cameron <brentcameron61@...> wrote:



I won’t speak for the rest of the forum but I’d also be very interested in hearing about the excellent and beautiful hardtop on Soleil Blue.  For those who haven’t seen it, check out this great video. https://youtu.be/DT7x0SjM648  This hard top looks like it came off the A54 assembly line. Super well done. I’d love to hear how it has worked out. 

 

Brent Cameron, Future Amel owner & Amel Owner's Registry Moderator

On Dec 27, 2020, 12:01 PM -0500, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>, wrote:

Hello Ulrich;

 

Sorry about this question about a completely unrelated issue. But since I did not have your direct e-mail, thought I’d reach out to you  on the forum.

 

We are considering adding a hardtop to our 54 and would like to discuss your experience with the hard top on Soleil Bleu. Would you mind sending me an e-mail directly to mshirloo at transpacific.us

 

I apologize to the rest of the forum for this unrelated post.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of ULRICH DANGELMEYER via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:34 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM

 

Hello Ameliens,

I hope you are all healthy and in good spirits, wherever you are. Inspired by some comments here about better battery condition and performance, I decided to install Victron battery balancers. We have a 54 #088, and replaced all 12 service batteries in Victron AGM 110Ah deep cycle this summer. Here I have the following questions specifically to other 54 friends who have done this optimization themselves:

- where did you install these blue boxes? Directly in the battery compartment or next to the bulkhead where all the cables and the main switches are mounted?Victron recommends mounting vertically, out of the battery vapor. since I can't get directly into the boat at the moment, I have no idea where and how to mount.

- 2nd question: what is the best way to wire? Victron recommends for 12 batteries 2 balancers connected in parallel. so 1 balancer between 6 batteries. If you have better pragmatic experience, I am very grateful. Since we do not know when we come back to Greece, I would with your recommendation then provide the electrician of the marina with the parts and installation instructions, so that he can install the balancers in the meantime optimally.

I have already asked twice at Pochon, Mr. Geniteau, who make the electrical installations at all Amel. But until today unfortunately no answer or feedback get. pity.

Therefore, I hope for your tremendous practical experience and exchange in this great forum and thank you very much in advance.

 

For 2021, wherever you are, I wish you only the best: health, happiness and fair winds.

Stay healthy!

 

Best regards
Ulrich
"Soleil Bleu" / A54#088

 

 

 


--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM

Peter Forbes
 

I too am very interested in this new hardtop set up. Carango has a half (forward half) hard top which we sailed around the world but we are interested in replacing that with the Soleil Blue version. Ours has a top window so we can see the set of the main sail from the cockpit which we like. But we do not have solar panel on top because of that. 

Can someone tell us where this new hardtop was made and who owns the design.

I would like to ask prices of the manufacturer.

Can anyone help with that.

Peter

Peter Forbes
Carango 
Amel 54 #035
La Rochelle
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 27 Dec 2020, at 21:38, Brent Cameron <brentcameron61@...> wrote:


I won’t speak for the rest of the forum but I’d also be very interested in hearing about the excellent and beautiful hardtop on Soleil Blue.  For those who haven’t seen it, check out this great video. https://youtu.be/DT7x0SjM648  This hard top looks like it came off the A54 assembly line. Super well done. I’d love to hear how it has worked out. 

Brent Cameron, Future Amel owner & Amel Owner's Registry Moderator
On Dec 27, 2020, 12:01 PM -0500, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>, wrote:

Hello Ulrich;

 

Sorry about this question about a completely unrelated issue. But since I did not have your direct e-mail, thought I’d reach out to you  on the forum.

 

We are considering adding a hardtop to our 54 and would like to discuss your experience with the hard top on Soleil Bleu. Would you mind sending me an e-mail directly to mshirloo at transpacific.us

 

I apologize to the rest of the forum for this unrelated post.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of ULRICH DANGELMEYER via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:34 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM

 

Hello Ameliens,

I hope you are all healthy and in good spirits, wherever you are. Inspired by some comments here about better battery condition and performance, I decided to install Victron battery balancers. We have a 54 #088, and replaced all 12 service batteries in Victron AGM 110Ah deep cycle this summer. Here I have the following questions specifically to other 54 friends who have done this optimization themselves:

- where did you install these blue boxes? Directly in the battery compartment or next to the bulkhead where all the cables and the main switches are mounted?Victron recommends mounting vertically, out of the battery vapor. since I can't get directly into the boat at the moment, I have no idea where and how to mount.

- 2nd question: what is the best way to wire? Victron recommends for 12 batteries 2 balancers connected in parallel. so 1 balancer between 6 batteries. If you have better pragmatic experience, I am very grateful. Since we do not know when we come back to Greece, I would with your recommendation then provide the electrician of the marina with the parts and installation instructions, so that he can install the balancers in the meantime optimally.

I have already asked twice at Pochon, Mr. Geniteau, who make the electrical installations at all Amel. But until today unfortunately no answer or feedback get. pity.

Therefore, I hope for your tremendous practical experience and exchange in this great forum and thank you very much in advance.

 

For 2021, wherever you are, I wish you only the best: health, happiness and fair winds.

Stay healthy!

 

Best regards
Ulrich
"Soleil Bleu" / A54#088

 

 

 


--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Placement of Beta 60 in an Amel Maramu #replacement

michael winand
 

I have a beta 60 recently installed on my super maramu. Not sure what the difference between the physical size is between the maramu and super maramu. 

Michael  Nebo 251


Re: Foredeck dinghy cradle

Ian Townsend
 

I'd like to thank everyone for their generous and thoughtful responses. Your experience and various  points-of-view have certainly helped my decision process. As with much of our boating lives, it has to do with one's cruising style. Heck, even Le Capitaine thought a soft-floor rollup tender was sufficient for him:) But not for us (nor for most others I'm sure). I can hear him right now. "Monsieur, maybe you should just buy a different boat". 

I also hope this thread will help others in the future. Dinghy and dinghy/OB stowage is a repeating theme on the forum and I thought the cradle aspect could use more discussion, particularly from those with experience in the matter. 

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153

On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:09 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

I will add 3 things to this thread:
  1. Judy and I were in conditions in the Indian Ocean where a dinghy on the foredeck would have been a big issue. We had enough green water coming over the bow that often the windlass was 2 feet underwater and waves of green water ran over the deck then crashed into the windshield with tremendous force with water squirting through the windshield gaskets. I am sure that any dinghy mounted on a cradle, regardless of how it was secured, would have been pulled loose. Our dinghy was fine during this because it was mounted on the deck behind the mizzen mast. This was the first time that I left the 15hp outboard engine on the rail mount. A wave almost knocked it overboard, twisting one clamp completely off the teak mount. And we almost lost the poles on the starboard side. Lots of green water washed them loose and they came sliding down the deck. I saw them and caught them when they reached the cockpit.
  2. The loss of visibility in an SM or 54 is significant with a bow-mounted dinghy and almost 2 times more if the dinghy is in a cradle.
  3. Please do not forget that the deck has a balsa core. If you are not 100% sure of how to correctly penetrate the deck, do not do it, and don't let anyone else do it unless you are 100% certain they know how to do this. I have seen far too many Amels ruined because someone wanted to mount something to the deck of an Amel.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 2:58 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Colin. Thanks for the comprehensive reply. You are a very experienced off shore sailor and have thought it through. I wouldnt do it that way and I do believe care should be taken by others who perhaps to this point are not so experienced. If something gets smashed when you are a thousand miles from port it can be very serious. Those are the events that lead to catostrophy. I try to minimise the possibilities, much easier than trying to repair serious damage. However, thats me. You have the experience to make your own judgements.

Kind regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 28 December 2020 at 01:16 Colin - ex SV Island Pearl <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:

Thanks, Danny,

..and of course, no hard feelings between friends as we certainly agree regarding "ugly" bit at least, as well as how dangerous this could become in extreme conditions. 

For me, with a mission to circumnavigate within the small 3-year window which we had available, and also to have the maximum enjoyment of leisure time too possible, after 6 years of making absolutely zero modifications to the way Captain Henry set this brilliant boat up, it later became all about function, rather than good looks at the time actually set off to circumnavigate in early 2017. 

Furthermore, to add to the controversy you may also have noticed that we had two single orange paddle skis lashed to the rails as well, and of course, these could equally prove to be a huge issue with any side-on wave hits, and we did indeed take a few small dead wave hits to those, but again these were lifted a little above the deck height, and we fortunately never experienced any boat hardware strain or problems with this. Also, our dinghy had the optional extra of two huge draining bung holes fitted for very quick draining, plus a cover lashed onto it too most of the time when at sea in order to avoid it ever actually filling up with any wave hit.

I should have mentioned we did on quite a few occasions get waves sweeping right across/over the boat (including the bow area) sideways during our circumnavigation, the worst of these was an occasion when Lauren was sleeping on the port side cockpit seat and was washed completely across the cockpit from the port side bunk (wedged in behind the captain seat) and to the top of the opposite side combing (over almost out onto the stbd deck rail!) in the black of a moonless night right to the end of her long harness tether during one storm. However, on all these occasions, the dinghy placement never proved to be a problem for us, as it was never more than a foot of solid water over the bow areas (never a dead hit to the raised dinghy height with a solid wave as you may be referring to), ie. just white water and it was always able to quickly wash unhindered right across the bow decks from one side to the other under our dinghy which was heavily lashed down. 

Yes, I agree that if we were caught in extreme conditions, ie worse than we faced mid-Indian Ocean, then things could be worse, especially if we were unable to turn and run slightly downwind as we did between Chagos and Rodrigues when we got over 55 knots and 6m rolling swells which seemed like mountains each time one rose to the top of them and looked down on the whiteout conditions, and where we learnt how safe these Amel SM's actually are in very big conditions. My main concern though with this large aluminium craft on deck, in front to the mast, was what could occur if it was washed hard backwards and smashed into the base of the mast which could then be compressed and come tumbling down forwards???, and/or what may actually happen during a roll???? We did virtually knocked down sideways at least once (sails not quite into water though), but the dinghy was completely fine on that occasion (did not shift at all and righting movement of SM still very fast) due to being so well lashed down.

Please note, I am absolutely not advising anyone on this forum to place a heavy dinghy upfront as we did, especially if you do not have a lot of ocean crossing experience yet. That would not be helpful here and is also perhaps what Danny is quite rightly possibly alluding to here as this could be downright dangerous! Far better to leave your boat as she was designed, but of course, for those with experience, and who will actually be taking on large crews and who are mostly intending to avoid extreme conditions anyway, this OceanCraft dinghy on the bow, as well as our paddle skiis, for us did actually prove to be a wonderful addition to our circumnavigation with frequent use and gave us so much pleasure, (especially the paddle skiis which were used almost daily when anchored) that we would say it is worth considering at least. 

Fair winds
Colin
Currently Boatless in Brisbane

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 7:15 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

I dont think I have ever commented negatively before but sorry Colin. I saw your set ip in Vuda Point Fiji. In my opinion ugly as sin, obstructive and creating a huge blind spot looking forward. How you could put up with it for as long as you did confounds me. If you had struck a major storm with big deck sweeping seas I hate to think of the result.However, just proves tastes differ.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 27 December 2020 at 17:26 Colin - ex SV Island Pearl < colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:

Since OceanCraft (Delos "Maggie") factory just a short distance from our home here in Australia, we copied Delos and purchased an OceanCraft 3300 aluminium dinghy, but had it specially custom made to just 3.0m (instead of 3.3m) with floor and front locker built-in. This cut back size was helpful and allowed us to easily get around the deck and also better use the Genoa, however, OceanCraft now make a standard 2.0m one which would be even better we feel.  We then made a custom timber cradle for our SM, similar cradle to Delos and circumnavigated with it with no real adverse effects, including in 6m swells / 55+knots mid-Indian Ocean wild seas.

As for the positives and negatives, and will we get another one on the bow of our next Amel in a few years time?

Positives
  1. This large dinghy was absolute gold when we had at times as allowed us to get everyone to shore in one go.
  2. Whenever we had long distances, inter-island etc., to cross we used it as it cut through any chop smoothly and was very fast and comfortable. 
  3. We used it for most refuelling as we mainly visited many remote places and almost always refuelled via Gerry cans. Compared to our smaller Hyperlon Dinghy which took max 5-6 x 23L fuel cans, we typically loaded up 12 x 23 Litre jerry cans full of fuel (plus two of us too!) on the large dinghy which saved us so much time.
  4. In calm waters such as throughout the Maldives for 4 months, we towed it easily (over 800mn!) as we crisscrossed this cruising haven. That was such a luxury!
  5. When going forwards on the bow in rough seas one felt much safer having the dinghy to hold onto.
  6. The large dinghy on the bow became a wonderful storage area for all our fenders and other bulky light goods freeing up lots of space in the rear locker.
Negatives
  1. It looks really ugly on the bow!!
  2. When tacking we always tacked by furling the genoa in at least 60% to avoid it catching on the dinghy, and also had a sheet line (like an inner staysail stay) running from the first spreader down to the anchor winch so that the genoa sheets would pull around this rather than catching on the dinghy. Whilst we got used to this and could tack without starting the motor, it still remained was a small price to pay but fortunately, on a circumnavigation, one is rarely tacking anyhow.
  3. The extra weight up front was fine (note we s/s welded a nice strong long shaft new outboard bracket on the rear rail opposite the Amel supplied one - and always placed our larger outboard there - never on the bow) and we never got any drips through our bow thruster until purchasing a new 110m chain in the Caribbean. Just in case though, before leaving Thailand, we had also devised a sneaky plan in case of any emergency bow thruster leaks by purchasing a new $10 bicycle tire tube from a Phuket bike shop (for a large rim, a fat tire bike) and we split it around the perimeter and cut it to form one nice long wide pliable new rubber strip in case of any emergencies. At the start of all major ocean crossings after this, we wrapped this tightly around the bow thruster area (where water may come up into the boat) in large rough seas and never got a drop of water in, even with all the weight up front. Also, boat balance in big seas also seemed unaffected.
  4. We tied both the timber davit itself and the dinghy very firmly with multiple straps and these both added to the "ugliness" and could become a trip hazard for any new crew who were not accustomed to running around on the bow on dark black nights. That said we never had anyone trip on these, so were fortunate.
  5. Visibility forwards was not great but fine as we cut huge "see-through" holes in the timber of davit itself without impacting its strength. That said, however, at night, with no moon, it took a lot of time to get used to working out if you were looking at the dinghy or beyond this!!
So, in summary, will we do this again in a few year's time after COVID when we purchase our next Amel? The answer would certainly be "yes" if we had any intentions of having more than just one extra crew member for any long periods of time. However, since most of our circumnavigation was just Lauren and me on our own, and we far preferred it that way, we doubt that we would do this again. We think an approx 3.1 or so meter hyperlon dinghy with a 15 is the way to go, but particularly ensure you get one that fits nicely on the rear deck with enough space to move around it, plus such that the mizzen sheet does not get caught up on it.

Cheers
Colin, Scarborough, QLD
(currently boatless until at least 2022)

PS If any of you happen to be here in QLD, Australia, and want our timber davit for the OceanCraft get back in touch. The new owners did not want the extra dinghy or davit and my wife wants it gone soon from our garage. The dinghy sold previously so just a free davit available now with correct camber for the SM bow- Email me at colin.cruisingpoint@...





On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 3:02 AM Ian Townsend < smlocalola@...> wrote:

Merry Christmas/Joyeaux Noel/Buon Natale to all AMEL Owners. We are considering a new strategy for our dinghy and have a few questions for anyone that might be able to help.

1. Foredeck storage cradle. Who has done this? Do you have pictures? How does it fasten to the deck? Is it foldable/removable? Do you store it upside down? If not, do you keep the outboard on or off?
2. Maximum length and beam. I note that SV Delos has an 11 ft. Oceancraft on a cradle. Anyone with different experience?
3. Balance. How is boat balance affected with foredeck storage and the motor still on the dinghy?
4. Any other things I should consider?


Thanks and to everyone, please stay safe, healthy and happy. 


ian Townsend
SM153
Loca Lola II
Bahamas

 

 



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

 

 



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Ulrich,

We have 6V AGM batteries in a series parallel arrangement with balancers on each string of 4.
We have no issue with vapor as the batteries are AGMs, The balancers are in the battery compartment with the batteries.
If you have acid vapors in the battery compartment I wouldn't put any electronics in there.

For your setup, I think from my experience the best setup could be :
Two balancers on each of 6 batteries in series parallel with the middle negative poles connected together.
See my drawing attached.  

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Foredeck dinghy cradle

 

I will add 3 things to this thread:
  1. Judy and I were in conditions in the Indian Ocean where a dinghy on the foredeck would have been a big issue. We had enough green water coming over the bow that often the windlass was 2 feet underwater and waves of green water ran over the deck then crashed into the windshield with tremendous force with water squirting through the windshield gaskets. I am sure that any dinghy mounted on a cradle, regardless of how it was secured, would have been pulled loose. Our dinghy was fine during this because it was mounted on the deck behind the mizzen mast. This was the first time that I left the 15hp outboard engine on the rail mount. A wave almost knocked it overboard, twisting one clamp completely off the teak mount. And we almost lost the poles on the starboard side. Lots of green water washed them loose and they came sliding down the deck. I saw them and caught them when they reached the cockpit.
  2. The loss of visibility in an SM or 54 is significant with a bow-mounted dinghy and almost 2 times more if the dinghy is in a cradle.
  3. Please do not forget that the deck has a balsa core. If you are not 100% sure of how to correctly penetrate the deck, do not do it, and don't let anyone else do it unless you are 100% certain they know how to do this. I have seen far too many Amels ruined because someone wanted to mount something to the deck of an Amel.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 2:58 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Colin. Thanks for the comprehensive reply. You are a very experienced off shore sailor and have thought it through. I wouldnt do it that way and I do believe care should be taken by others who perhaps to this point are not so experienced. If something gets smashed when you are a thousand miles from port it can be very serious. Those are the events that lead to catostrophy. I try to minimise the possibilities, much easier than trying to repair serious damage. However, thats me. You have the experience to make your own judgements.

Kind regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 28 December 2020 at 01:16 Colin - ex SV Island Pearl <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:

Thanks, Danny,

..and of course, no hard feelings between friends as we certainly agree regarding "ugly" bit at least, as well as how dangerous this could become in extreme conditions. 

For me, with a mission to circumnavigate within the small 3-year window which we had available, and also to have the maximum enjoyment of leisure time too possible, after 6 years of making absolutely zero modifications to the way Captain Henry set this brilliant boat up, it later became all about function, rather than good looks at the time actually set off to circumnavigate in early 2017. 

Furthermore, to add to the controversy you may also have noticed that we had two single orange paddle skis lashed to the rails as well, and of course, these could equally prove to be a huge issue with any side-on wave hits, and we did indeed take a few small dead wave hits to those, but again these were lifted a little above the deck height, and we fortunately never experienced any boat hardware strain or problems with this. Also, our dinghy had the optional extra of two huge draining bung holes fitted for very quick draining, plus a cover lashed onto it too most of the time when at sea in order to avoid it ever actually filling up with any wave hit.

I should have mentioned we did on quite a few occasions get waves sweeping right across/over the boat (including the bow area) sideways during our circumnavigation, the worst of these was an occasion when Lauren was sleeping on the port side cockpit seat and was washed completely across the cockpit from the port side bunk (wedged in behind the captain seat) and to the top of the opposite side combing (over almost out onto the stbd deck rail!) in the black of a moonless night right to the end of her long harness tether during one storm. However, on all these occasions, the dinghy placement never proved to be a problem for us, as it was never more than a foot of solid water over the bow areas (never a dead hit to the raised dinghy height with a solid wave as you may be referring to), ie. just white water and it was always able to quickly wash unhindered right across the bow decks from one side to the other under our dinghy which was heavily lashed down. 

Yes, I agree that if we were caught in extreme conditions, ie worse than we faced mid-Indian Ocean, then things could be worse, especially if we were unable to turn and run slightly downwind as we did between Chagos and Rodrigues when we got over 55 knots and 6m rolling swells which seemed like mountains each time one rose to the top of them and looked down on the whiteout conditions, and where we learnt how safe these Amel SM's actually are in very big conditions. My main concern though with this large aluminium craft on deck, in front to the mast, was what could occur if it was washed hard backwards and smashed into the base of the mast which could then be compressed and come tumbling down forwards???, and/or what may actually happen during a roll???? We did virtually knocked down sideways at least once (sails not quite into water though), but the dinghy was completely fine on that occasion (did not shift at all and righting movement of SM still very fast) due to being so well lashed down.

Please note, I am absolutely not advising anyone on this forum to place a heavy dinghy upfront as we did, especially if you do not have a lot of ocean crossing experience yet. That would not be helpful here and is also perhaps what Danny is quite rightly possibly alluding to here as this could be downright dangerous! Far better to leave your boat as she was designed, but of course, for those with experience, and who will actually be taking on large crews and who are mostly intending to avoid extreme conditions anyway, this OceanCraft dinghy on the bow, as well as our paddle skiis, for us did actually prove to be a wonderful addition to our circumnavigation with frequent use and gave us so much pleasure, (especially the paddle skiis which were used almost daily when anchored) that we would say it is worth considering at least. 

Fair winds
Colin
Currently Boatless in Brisbane

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 7:15 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

I dont think I have ever commented negatively before but sorry Colin. I saw your set ip in Vuda Point Fiji. In my opinion ugly as sin, obstructive and creating a huge blind spot looking forward. How you could put up with it for as long as you did confounds me. If you had struck a major storm with big deck sweeping seas I hate to think of the result.However, just proves tastes differ.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 27 December 2020 at 17:26 Colin - ex SV Island Pearl < colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:

Since OceanCraft (Delos "Maggie") factory just a short distance from our home here in Australia, we copied Delos and purchased an OceanCraft 3300 aluminium dinghy, but had it specially custom made to just 3.0m (instead of 3.3m) with floor and front locker built-in. This cut back size was helpful and allowed us to easily get around the deck and also better use the Genoa, however, OceanCraft now make a standard 2.0m one which would be even better we feel.  We then made a custom timber cradle for our SM, similar cradle to Delos and circumnavigated with it with no real adverse effects, including in 6m swells / 55+knots mid-Indian Ocean wild seas.

As for the positives and negatives, and will we get another one on the bow of our next Amel in a few years time?

Positives
  1. This large dinghy was absolute gold when we had at times as allowed us to get everyone to shore in one go.
  2. Whenever we had long distances, inter-island etc., to cross we used it as it cut through any chop smoothly and was very fast and comfortable. 
  3. We used it for most refuelling as we mainly visited many remote places and almost always refuelled via Gerry cans. Compared to our smaller Hyperlon Dinghy which took max 5-6 x 23L fuel cans, we typically loaded up 12 x 23 Litre jerry cans full of fuel (plus two of us too!) on the large dinghy which saved us so much time.
  4. In calm waters such as throughout the Maldives for 4 months, we towed it easily (over 800mn!) as we crisscrossed this cruising haven. That was such a luxury!
  5. When going forwards on the bow in rough seas one felt much safer having the dinghy to hold onto.
  6. The large dinghy on the bow became a wonderful storage area for all our fenders and other bulky light goods freeing up lots of space in the rear locker.
Negatives
  1. It looks really ugly on the bow!!
  2. When tacking we always tacked by furling the genoa in at least 60% to avoid it catching on the dinghy, and also had a sheet line (like an inner staysail stay) running from the first spreader down to the anchor winch so that the genoa sheets would pull around this rather than catching on the dinghy. Whilst we got used to this and could tack without starting the motor, it still remained was a small price to pay but fortunately, on a circumnavigation, one is rarely tacking anyhow.
  3. The extra weight up front was fine (note we s/s welded a nice strong long shaft new outboard bracket on the rear rail opposite the Amel supplied one - and always placed our larger outboard there - never on the bow) and we never got any drips through our bow thruster until purchasing a new 110m chain in the Caribbean. Just in case though, before leaving Thailand, we had also devised a sneaky plan in case of any emergency bow thruster leaks by purchasing a new $10 bicycle tire tube from a Phuket bike shop (for a large rim, a fat tire bike) and we split it around the perimeter and cut it to form one nice long wide pliable new rubber strip in case of any emergencies. At the start of all major ocean crossings after this, we wrapped this tightly around the bow thruster area (where water may come up into the boat) in large rough seas and never got a drop of water in, even with all the weight up front. Also, boat balance in big seas also seemed unaffected.
  4. We tied both the timber davit itself and the dinghy very firmly with multiple straps and these both added to the "ugliness" and could become a trip hazard for any new crew who were not accustomed to running around on the bow on dark black nights. That said we never had anyone trip on these, so were fortunate.
  5. Visibility forwards was not great but fine as we cut huge "see-through" holes in the timber of davit itself without impacting its strength. That said, however, at night, with no moon, it took a lot of time to get used to working out if you were looking at the dinghy or beyond this!!
So, in summary, will we do this again in a few year's time after COVID when we purchase our next Amel? The answer would certainly be "yes" if we had any intentions of having more than just one extra crew member for any long periods of time. However, since most of our circumnavigation was just Lauren and me on our own, and we far preferred it that way, we doubt that we would do this again. We think an approx 3.1 or so meter hyperlon dinghy with a 15 is the way to go, but particularly ensure you get one that fits nicely on the rear deck with enough space to move around it, plus such that the mizzen sheet does not get caught up on it.

Cheers
Colin, Scarborough, QLD
(currently boatless until at least 2022)

PS If any of you happen to be here in QLD, Australia, and want our timber davit for the OceanCraft get back in touch. The new owners did not want the extra dinghy or davit and my wife wants it gone soon from our garage. The dinghy sold previously so just a free davit available now with correct camber for the SM bow- Email me at colin.cruisingpoint@...





On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 3:02 AM Ian Townsend < smlocalola@...> wrote:

Merry Christmas/Joyeaux Noel/Buon Natale to all AMEL Owners. We are considering a new strategy for our dinghy and have a few questions for anyone that might be able to help.

1. Foredeck storage cradle. Who has done this? Do you have pictures? How does it fasten to the deck? Is it foldable/removable? Do you store it upside down? If not, do you keep the outboard on or off?
2. Maximum length and beam. I note that SV Delos has an 11 ft. Oceancraft on a cradle. Anyone with different experience?
3. Balance. How is boat balance affected with foredeck storage and the motor still on the dinghy?
4. Any other things I should consider?


Thanks and to everyone, please stay safe, healthy and happy. 


ian Townsend
SM153
Loca Lola II
Bahamas

 

 



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

 

 



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM

Brent Cameron
 

I won’t speak for the rest of the forum but I’d also be very interested in hearing about the excellent and beautiful hardtop on Soleil Blue.  For those who haven’t seen it, check out this great video. https://youtu.be/DT7x0SjM648  This hard top looks like it came off the A54 assembly line. Super well done. I’d love to hear how it has worked out. 

Brent Cameron, Future Amel owner & Amel Owner's Registry Moderator

On Dec 27, 2020, 12:01 PM -0500, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>, wrote:

Hello Ulrich;

 

Sorry about this question about a completely unrelated issue. But since I did not have your direct e-mail, thought I’d reach out to you  on the forum.

 

We are considering adding a hardtop to our 54 and would like to discuss your experience with the hard top on Soleil Bleu. Would you mind sending me an e-mail directly to mshirloo at transpacific.us

 

I apologize to the rest of the forum for this unrelated post.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of ULRICH DANGELMEYER via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:34 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM

 

Hello Ameliens,

I hope you are all healthy and in good spirits, wherever you are. Inspired by some comments here about better battery condition and performance, I decided to install Victron battery balancers. We have a 54 #088, and replaced all 12 service batteries in Victron AGM 110Ah deep cycle this summer. Here I have the following questions specifically to other 54 friends who have done this optimization themselves:

- where did you install these blue boxes? Directly in the battery compartment or next to the bulkhead where all the cables and the main switches are mounted?Victron recommends mounting vertically, out of the battery vapor. since I can't get directly into the boat at the moment, I have no idea where and how to mount.

- 2nd question: what is the best way to wire? Victron recommends for 12 batteries 2 balancers connected in parallel. so 1 balancer between 6 batteries. If you have better pragmatic experience, I am very grateful. Since we do not know when we come back to Greece, I would with your recommendation then provide the electrician of the marina with the parts and installation instructions, so that he can install the balancers in the meantime optimally.

I have already asked twice at Pochon, Mr. Geniteau, who make the electrical installations at all Amel. But until today unfortunately no answer or feedback get. pity.

Therefore, I hope for your tremendous practical experience and exchange in this great forum and thank you very much in advance.

 

For 2021, wherever you are, I wish you only the best: health, happiness and fair winds.

Stay healthy!

 

Best regards
Ulrich
"Soleil Bleu" / A54#088

 

 

 


--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??

Craig Briggs
 

Matt & Michelle,
Generally agree with your observations (terrible installer, etc.). However, when you say Beta must build and test "all options presented to potential customers" to receive a Kubota warranty, I would be very surprised if they specifically address the Amel installation, which is totally different than any conventional boat. Specifically and dramatically different is that there is no thrust component in an Amel, either fore or aft, which is the major force in any other installation. Amel installations present only torque. Also, the engine weight is not supported by (just) the four normal engine mounts, but is spread over six mounts (along with some  "C" drive weight). I'll bet you dollars to donuts that no "specialty engine mount company" spec'd six engine mounts for a Beta to be installed in an Amel. It seems plausible the vibration issue may be connected with the old reused mounts that Amel specified for a much lighter engine, albeit with no thrust component. 
--
Just another two cents!
Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Foredeck dinghy cradle

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Colin. Thanks for the comprehensive reply. You are a very experienced off shore sailor and have thought it through. I wouldnt do it that way and I do believe care should be taken by others who perhaps to this point are not so experienced. If something gets smashed when you are a thousand miles from port it can be very serious. Those are the events that lead to catostrophy. I try to minimise the possibilities, much easier than trying to repair serious damage. However, thats me. You have the experience to make your own judgements.

Kind regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 28 December 2020 at 01:16 Colin - ex SV Island Pearl <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:

Thanks, Danny,

..and of course, no hard feelings between friends as we certainly agree regarding "ugly" bit at least, as well as how dangerous this could become in extreme conditions. 

For me, with a mission to circumnavigate within the small 3-year window which we had available, and also to have the maximum enjoyment of leisure time too possible, after 6 years of making absolutely zero modifications to the way Captain Henry set this brilliant boat up, it later became all about function, rather than good looks at the time actually set off to circumnavigate in early 2017. 

Furthermore, to add to the controversy you may also have noticed that we had two single orange paddle skis lashed to the rails as well, and of course, these could equally prove to be a huge issue with any side-on wave hits, and we did indeed take a few small dead wave hits to those, but again these were lifted a little above the deck height, and we fortunately never experienced any boat hardware strain or problems with this. Also, our dinghy had the optional extra of two huge draining bung holes fitted for very quick draining, plus a cover lashed onto it too most of the time when at sea in order to avoid it ever actually filling up with any wave hit.

I should have mentioned we did on quite a few occasions get waves sweeping right across/over the boat (including the bow area) sideways during our circumnavigation, the worst of these was an occasion when Lauren was sleeping on the port side cockpit seat and was washed completely across the cockpit from the port side bunk (wedged in behind the captain seat) and to the top of the opposite side combing (over almost out onto the stbd deck rail!) in the black of a moonless night right to the end of her long harness tether during one storm. However, on all these occasions, the dinghy placement never proved to be a problem for us, as it was never more than a foot of solid water over the bow areas (never a dead hit to the raised dinghy height with a solid wave as you may be referring to), ie. just white water and it was always able to quickly wash unhindered right across the bow decks from one side to the other under our dinghy which was heavily lashed down. 

Yes, I agree that if we were caught in extreme conditions, ie worse than we faced mid-Indian Ocean, then things could be worse, especially if we were unable to turn and run slightly downwind as we did between Chagos and Rodrigues when we got over 55 knots and 6m rolling swells which seemed like mountains each time one rose to the top of them and looked down on the whiteout conditions, and where we learnt how safe these Amel SM's actually are in very big conditions. My main concern though with this large aluminium craft on deck, in front to the mast, was what could occur if it was washed hard backwards and smashed into the base of the mast which could then be compressed and come tumbling down forwards???, and/or what may actually happen during a roll???? We did virtually knocked down sideways at least once (sails not quite into water though), but the dinghy was completely fine on that occasion (did not shift at all and righting movement of SM still very fast) due to being so well lashed down.

Please note, I am absolutely not advising anyone on this forum to place a heavy dinghy upfront as we did, especially if you do not have a lot of ocean crossing experience yet. That would not be helpful here and is also perhaps what Danny is quite rightly possibly alluding to here as this could be downright dangerous! Far better to leave your boat as she was designed, but of course, for those with experience, and who will actually be taking on large crews and who are mostly intending to avoid extreme conditions anyway, this OceanCraft dinghy on the bow, as well as our paddle skiis, for us did actually prove to be a wonderful addition to our circumnavigation with frequent use and gave us so much pleasure, (especially the paddle skiis which were used almost daily when anchored) that we would say it is worth considering at least. 

Fair winds
Colin
Currently Boatless in Brisbane

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 7:15 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

I dont think I have ever commented negatively before but sorry Colin. I saw your set ip in Vuda Point Fiji. In my opinion ugly as sin, obstructive and creating a huge blind spot looking forward. How you could put up with it for as long as you did confounds me. If you had struck a major storm with big deck sweeping seas I hate to think of the result.However, just proves tastes differ.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 27 December 2020 at 17:26 Colin - ex SV Island Pearl < colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:

Since OceanCraft (Delos "Maggie") factory just a short distance from our home here in Australia, we copied Delos and purchased an OceanCraft 3300 aluminium dinghy, but had it specially custom made to just 3.0m (instead of 3.3m) with floor and front locker built-in. This cut back size was helpful and allowed us to easily get around the deck and also better use the Genoa, however, OceanCraft now make a standard 2.0m one which would be even better we feel.  We then made a custom timber cradle for our SM, similar cradle to Delos and circumnavigated with it with no real adverse effects, including in 6m swells / 55+knots mid-Indian Ocean wild seas.

As for the positives and negatives, and will we get another one on the bow of our next Amel in a few years time?

Positives
  1. This large dinghy was absolute gold when we had at times as allowed us to get everyone to shore in one go.
  2. Whenever we had long distances, inter-island etc., to cross we used it as it cut through any chop smoothly and was very fast and comfortable. 
  3. We used it for most refuelling as we mainly visited many remote places and almost always refuelled via Gerry cans. Compared to our smaller Hyperlon Dinghy which took max 5-6 x 23L fuel cans, we typically loaded up 12 x 23 Litre jerry cans full of fuel (plus two of us too!) on the large dinghy which saved us so much time.
  4. In calm waters such as throughout the Maldives for 4 months, we towed it easily (over 800mn!) as we crisscrossed this cruising haven. That was such a luxury!
  5. When going forwards on the bow in rough seas one felt much safer having the dinghy to hold onto.
  6. The large dinghy on the bow became a wonderful storage area for all our fenders and other bulky light goods freeing up lots of space in the rear locker.
Negatives
  1. It looks really ugly on the bow!!
  2. When tacking we always tacked by furling the genoa in at least 60% to avoid it catching on the dinghy, and also had a sheet line (like an inner staysail stay) running from the first spreader down to the anchor winch so that the genoa sheets would pull around this rather than catching on the dinghy. Whilst we got used to this and could tack without starting the motor, it still remained was a small price to pay but fortunately, on a circumnavigation, one is rarely tacking anyhow.
  3. The extra weight up front was fine (note we s/s welded a nice strong long shaft new outboard bracket on the rear rail opposite the Amel supplied one - and always placed our larger outboard there - never on the bow) and we never got any drips through our bow thruster until purchasing a new 110m chain in the Caribbean. Just in case though, before leaving Thailand, we had also devised a sneaky plan in case of any emergency bow thruster leaks by purchasing a new $10 bicycle tire tube from a Phuket bike shop (for a large rim, a fat tire bike) and we split it around the perimeter and cut it to form one nice long wide pliable new rubber strip in case of any emergencies. At the start of all major ocean crossings after this, we wrapped this tightly around the bow thruster area (where water may come up into the boat) in large rough seas and never got a drop of water in, even with all the weight up front. Also, boat balance in big seas also seemed unaffected.
  4. We tied both the timber davit itself and the dinghy very firmly with multiple straps and these both added to the "ugliness" and could become a trip hazard for any new crew who were not accustomed to running around on the bow on dark black nights. That said we never had anyone trip on these, so were fortunate.
  5. Visibility forwards was not great but fine as we cut huge "see-through" holes in the timber of davit itself without impacting its strength. That said, however, at night, with no moon, it took a lot of time to get used to working out if you were looking at the dinghy or beyond this!!
So, in summary, will we do this again in a few year's time after COVID when we purchase our next Amel? The answer would certainly be "yes" if we had any intentions of having more than just one extra crew member for any long periods of time. However, since most of our circumnavigation was just Lauren and me on our own, and we far preferred it that way, we doubt that we would do this again. We think an approx 3.1 or so meter hyperlon dinghy with a 15 is the way to go, but particularly ensure you get one that fits nicely on the rear deck with enough space to move around it, plus such that the mizzen sheet does not get caught up on it.

Cheers
Colin, Scarborough, QLD
(currently boatless until at least 2022)

PS If any of you happen to be here in QLD, Australia, and want our timber davit for the OceanCraft get back in touch. The new owners did not want the extra dinghy or davit and my wife wants it gone soon from our garage. The dinghy sold previously so just a free davit available now with correct camber for the SM bow- Email me at colin.cruisingpoint@...





On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 3:02 AM Ian Townsend < smlocalola@...> wrote:

Merry Christmas/Joyeaux Noel/Buon Natale to all AMEL Owners. We are considering a new strategy for our dinghy and have a few questions for anyone that might be able to help.

1. Foredeck storage cradle. Who has done this? Do you have pictures? How does it fasten to the deck? Is it foldable/removable? Do you store it upside down? If not, do you keep the outboard on or off?
2. Maximum length and beam. I note that SV Delos has an 11 ft. Oceancraft on a cradle. Anyone with different experience?
3. Balance. How is boat balance affected with foredeck storage and the motor still on the dinghy?
4. Any other things I should consider?


Thanks and to everyone, please stay safe, healthy and happy. 


ian Townsend
SM153
Loca Lola II
Bahamas

 

 



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Re: SSB Not Receiving - IC M801

rossirossix4
 

Hi Chris,  Wondering if you had any luck on improving your reception?  I thought I would wait to see if you had any more responses before volunteering some ideas.  In theory a tuned antenna improves reception but in practice little or none if you have a long whip or backstay.  However, I believe you can press F (function) and then Tune to bypass your tuner to eliminate this possibility--your display will show "THRU".  Also, since other stations are receiving you well and assuming "TUNE" shows up on your display you would expect that your tuner is working and not blocking reception. Its always a good idea to check the GTO wire and connectors between your tuner and antenna as well.

Also, to bypass your existing antenna system is pretty easy to do (FOR RECEIVING ONLY) you can take a convenient length of insulated wire, say 20+ feet and stick the conductor in the hole in the middle of your coax receptacle of your 801 and lay it out through the cockpit and rear coachroof.  You should be able to hear known scheduled broadcasts like Chris Parker or 14300 Net or WWV (continually broadcasts at2.5, 5, 10, 15, 20 and 25 MHz) depending on your location or propagation due to time of day.  If someone has a portable shortwave receiver, tune a station and try to receive it with your 801.  It is also possible that components inside your 801 have gone bad.  If the longwire test does not work AND you have correct voltage going to the radio AND your settings are correct (find someone with an 801 or 802 near you and have them try), then you may want to call ICOM if you haven't already.  I use a Yaesu 857-D and when it went deaf I discovered that a couple of ceramic filters had gone bad (they were sweating moisture) and had to be replaced.  I replaced all 3 of these $1 parts and the radio was back to normal.  Hopefully you have already found the solution, if not, maybe this will be helpful to searchers in the future.
Bob, KAIMI SM429   KDØKIX


Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??

Matt & Michelle Day, SM#208 SV Talia
 

Thank you all for the enjoyable conversation and debate.  Given how new to the Amel Michelle and I are, it is rare I have much to share that could be of benefit to the group.

Several comments have been made about the Beta being a "tractor" engine, and naturally subject to more vibration.  Unless the engine is an outboard, there is no such thing as a "true marine" engine.  The Yanmar 4J frame was developed for John Deere many moons ago under contract (as were most Yanmar engines).  If you bought a small frame tractor from JD, you got a Yanmar engine painted black or green.  That contract ended a few years ago, allowing Yanmar to start their allied equipment line of products.  Kubota has had the V1505 and V3300 (Beta 85) in production for years supporting their small frame tractor line that is seen all over Asia Pac and NA.  Perkins has a very similar story, except they liked to file for bankruptcy periodically until they were purchased by CAT. 

My point...the marine market is too small to support the development of a marine engine.  They are 'all' derivatives optimized to varying degrees (and varying degrees of success) to support a marine contract.

Next, the issue of the BETA 85 install and vibration.  I am in FULL AGREEMENT with Bill on this one.  As someone whom spent many years designing equipment, using OEM engines and certifying them, the engine installer in the thread is terrible.  The more interesting question is did BETA recommend this installer?  If so, that could represent a product support problem.  If not, you can't hang this one on BETA. 

In order for BETA to be sold engines and receive a Kubota warranty, they have to certify the installation design.  This includes building and testing all options presented to potential customers.  Note: They do not have to build the install on the boat...they can use a test stand.  The vibration spectrum of this engine is accounted for in the testing process.  The engine will be instrumented with accelerometers, run through the RPM/Load profile of the engine, and a specialty engine mount company will spec an engine mount.  BETA and Kubota do this work together....it is NOT dependent on the instillation.  If you are using the specified engine mounts for the installation and you have significant vibration issues, you have an alignment and/or coupling issue.

Just a fun side note....the certification process also covers emissions compliance.  Kubota, NOT BETA, has to certify to the US and EU authorities that the engine install meets the regulations.  They can't do that with a jacked up, half done piece of redneck engineering.  The BETA designs that I have seen look thorough and well thought out.  There is always room for improvement.  The challenge for BETA in this situation is we are a vocal bunch, the installer looks to have done a poor job and the name on the engine still says BETA.

Just my two cents.

 



Re: battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Ulrich;

 

Sorry about this question about a completely unrelated issue. But since I did not have your direct e-mail, thought I’d reach out to you  on the forum.

 

We are considering adding a hardtop to our 54 and would like to discuss your experience with the hard top on Soleil Bleu. Would you mind sending me an e-mail directly to mshirloo at transpacific.us

 

I apologize to the rest of the forum for this unrelated post.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of ULRICH DANGELMEYER via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:34 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM

 

Hello Ameliens,

I hope you are all healthy and in good spirits, wherever you are. Inspired by some comments here about better battery condition and performance, I decided to install Victron battery balancers. We have a 54 #088, and replaced all 12 service batteries in Victron AGM 110Ah deep cycle this summer. Here I have the following questions specifically to other 54 friends who have done this optimization themselves:

- where did you install these blue boxes? Directly in the battery compartment or next to the bulkhead where all the cables and the main switches are mounted?Victron recommends mounting vertically, out of the battery vapor. since I can't get directly into the boat at the moment, I have no idea where and how to mount.

- 2nd question: what is the best way to wire? Victron recommends for 12 batteries 2 balancers connected in parallel. so 1 balancer between 6 batteries. If you have better pragmatic experience, I am very grateful. Since we do not know when we come back to Greece, I would with your recommendation then provide the electrician of the marina with the parts and installation instructions, so that he can install the balancers in the meantime optimally.

I have already asked twice at Pochon, Mr. Geniteau, who make the electrical installations at all Amel. But until today unfortunately no answer or feedback get. pity.

Therefore, I hope for your tremendous practical experience and exchange in this great forum and thank you very much in advance.

 

For 2021, wherever you are, I wish you only the best: health, happiness and fair winds.

Stay healthy!

 

Best regards
Ulrich
"Soleil Bleu" / A54#088

 

 

 


Re: Carrying Tender on Davits while crossing

Jaswinder Chhibber <rohtaki@...>
 

Ingenious modification indeed . I wonder if an added support at bottom might help too .
JasC ( Rohtaki )

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