Date   

Need INFO

Ken Simons <svmakai007@...>
 

Hello Amel friends
                     I was left in charge of a 1992 Super Marmu ......I am located in Cartagena Colombia ...... She is in A1 condition and we want to keep it that way untill we sell her .....
                     O K my first question on the Amel plate ,,,,, the serial # is 0030017SM88
Could someone explain what this refers to ??
                     Next question the (well) that the bilge water ,,, drains into ..... is something new to me .... Is there a method or process to clean this out ,,,,,
                     Please get back in touch with me if you know anyone who would be intrested in becoming a new owner of this beautiful Amel .......
                     Get in touch with Ken Simons   svmakai007@...   and I can send Photos and the Specs

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SM owner in French Polynesia

fredfroget
 

Good Morning to all.

Does anyone know how to contact the owner of 'Elyses', a late model SM2K cruising in Frency Polynesia, heading west, possibly towards Noumea? He doesn't appear to be an active menber of the AO group, so a search of posts was friutless.

Regards
Fred


heater

saxysimo <saxysimo@...>
 

hi to everyone.
i'm looking for the diagram or plan of the heating tubes of a amel meltem.
thank you


Re: [Amel] Battery compartment problems

eric freedman
 

Kent,

Look at a few posts back. I explained what I thought.

I believe it is the placement of the vents on the new maintenance free
batteries.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:48 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery compartment problems





What do you think is the problem, Eric? I've never seen any corrosion at
all on my batteries.
Kent
SM 243
KRISTY

________________________________
From: eric <kimberlite@... <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> >
To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:28 PM
Subject: [Amel] Battery compartment problems



I just posted 3 photos of what I found in the battery compartment.
Please note the oxidation on the lugs, and the connectors.
With the last 2 sets of batteries the bus bars were shiny copper. You might
want to check out your batteries.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM376


Re: [Amel] Osmosis

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Sorry for your bad luck. It MUST be noted that any fiberglass yacht that was built before 1993 and has spent its life in warm water will most likely has blisters. In most cases they can be repaired professionally.
Regards SM209 at a lower price in Annapolis.

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Oct 17, 2012, at 13:10, "Anne and John Hollamby" <annejohnholl@...> wrote:

Hello Nezih,
Very sorry to see your bad experience. We were moored alongside Tirnanog probably five or six years ago when the British owners were Jo and Pete and seemed very nice. They went on to Turkey where Pete took a course to become an instructor teaching on sailing courses for Yachtmaster etc we think in Bodrum or Marmaris. We think Jo returned to the UK and he stayed on teaching. Their Email address was sytirnanogataol.com and we have a phone no +905342449750.
We are surprised to see that there was osmosis as most Amels seem to escape this curse. Olivier at Amel told us that they felt that the use of high pressure washing at very close range could be a possible cause.

Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM2K 319, Malta

From: nezih nezih
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 5:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Turkish Amel Owners

Merhaba Bill
Ty for your interest .Im an amel maramu owner since 1 year. Actually I couldnt do so much saling with this boat .I found this boat from Neatherland antilles in St.Martin.It was good price. But ex owner didnt care the boat. I needed to fixing and reparing since 1 year. And my english is not enough to understand tecnical problems. And Im not much experienced.I need to meet turkish friends who can explain me some problems on the boat in my language.Maybe?

Before this boat I lived a very worst event in marmaris. I was fell in love with amel maramu :) I found one in Marmaris-Turkiye name Tirnanog . The owner and the broker had cheated me .They belived me that amels dont have osmosis . After contract I lifted boat on land I spend alot of money sanded until gellcoat there was about 8-10 coats of antifouling . I saw osmosis blistering all around the hull. And there was a very big damage on the portside .I gave up to buy that boat. And the owner and the broker didnt pay my deposite back to me.They made the contrac ın english and wrote there responsible court is London. I missed this section .Im still hate them.
Anyway, Im happy now to have an amel maramu now. But need to much knowlodge about maramu's.I know there are alot ın amelowners group.But my poor english makes me nervous.
I also need to know ex owners of my boat. I changed the name as Mahayana. Old names was Angie and Argelita. I asked to Amel but they dont have any knowledge about them.
Nice to meet you.
See you again
Nezih
Mahayana AM 88

________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <mailto:yahoogroups%40svbebe.com>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 7:47 AM
Subject: [Amel] Turkish Amel Owners



Merhaba Nezih,

I do not know the names, but Riza Cagdas Cakir cagdas"at"emekmarin.com possibly does know the names. The next time I speak to him, I will ask him and email you directly.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, nezih nezih <mahayana2004@...> wrote:


Hi Judy and Bill
Im Turkish and have Amel maramu sailing at Caribbeans.
Do you know Turkish Amel owners ın Turkey.Who are they ? I should like to meet them ıf you have their contact adress like an email.
Ty ıf you can ınterest?,
Best wishes
NezihÂ
StMartin Mahayana 88

________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 8:42 AM
Subject: [Amel] Authorized Amel Service Representative in Turkey


Â

I learned that this year there were 63 Amels that visited Turkey and there are 2 Amels owned by Turkish citizens.

I also found an authorized Amel service representative in Gocek, Turkey. His company is also authorized to service Nordhavn Yachts. He is authorized to perform warranty service for these two brands.

I previously had an experience with the Amel service rep in Marmaris, Turkey. Although I know people who recommend the Amel service rep in Marmaris, I cannot recommend him because of a poor experience I had with him.

I am very impressed with the company and the people in Gocek, Turkey. It is Emek Marin Ltd.Sti and is managed by Riza Cagdas Cakir, the grandson of the founder. Yes, three generations!

Emek Marin has a 2,500 sq meter fabrication and machine shop with lathes and all types of machinery. They can literally do anything mechanical and can fabricate anything. They have service technicians that work in Gocek and in the yard at Gocek.

We have decided to haulout BeBe next year in Gocek with Emek Marin not only because I am impressed, but also because the haulout costs are less than anywhere else in Turkey that I am aware of. In fact, I believe it is the best price in Turkey. I asked Riza why the price was less. He said he negotiates for 25 to 50 haulouts with several facilities, then based on their service and price he refers all of his clients to his number 1 choice.

Riza grew up in his father's and grandfather's business, he is in his late twenties and has a PhD in Marine Engineering. If you own an Amel and are in Turkey, you must meet him in person, by email, or by phone. I am certain that you will not regret meeting him, and in a short discussion with him, I am certain you will learn something...I learned a lot!

Regarding his fabrication capabilities, I saw photographs of some of his work. I was really impressed with a fold-down swim platform and swim ladder that does not interfere with the steps or the rear bumper...pretty ingenious. You have to ask him about this if you have a SM.

If you are in Turkey and are looking for a winter haulout, any sort of maintenance or repair, fabrication of anything made from metal or fiberglass, painting, rigging, gelcoat repair, or antifouling; I suggest that you contact Riza.

Contact Information is:
Riza Cagdas Cakir
Marine Engineer

Emek Marin Ltd.Sti
Iskele mah 62b 48310
Gocek/Mugla/Turkey
Tel: +90252 645 2468
cagdas"at"emekmarin.com
http://www.emekmarin.com(their new website is under construction)

I know this must sound like a commercial, and I apologize if I am coming across that way. I have no commercial connection with Riza or his company. I do get excited when I find someone like him.

Hope this will help someone.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey

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Re: [Amel] Turkish Amel Owners

nezih nezih
 

Hello Anne and John
Pete ıs still the owner of Tirnanog. He, didnt pay my deposite back . On the contract there was the clause ıf there  osmosis , he had to  pay back deposite. But he didnt. pay back to me . after the sandıng untıl gelcoat I could see pilster all around the hull . Boat didnt lift to land about 6 years He was living ın Marmaris Netsel marina.on the boat.
I couldnt see the portside damage fiber and stainless steel  before . There was hiding. and fixing- reparing was costing  about 8000€
I spend marina fees -sanding- change oil- filters 2000€. Ididnt want this money back . I did mistake because I believed him. On the other hand he dıdnt pay back half of deposite 1000€ . Anyway I will not ever forgive him .
It was bad experience but I learned more about amel maramu and I found another one in St Martin. This boat  had treatment osmosis. was pretty cheaper then Tirnanog 
Ty nice to meet you.
Nezih 
Mahayana AM88




________________________________
From: Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Turkish Amel Owners


 
Hello Nezih,
Very sorry to see your bad experience. We were moored alongside Tirnanog probably five or six years ago when the British owners were Jo and Pete and seemed very nice. They went on to Turkey where Pete took a course to become an instructor teaching on sailing courses for Yachtmaster etc we think in Bodrum or Marmaris. We think Jo returned to the UK and he stayed on teaching. Their Email address was sytirnanogataol.com and we have a phone no +905342449750.
We are surprised to see that there was osmosis as most Amels seem to escape this curse. Olivier at Amel told us that they felt that the use of high pressure washing at very close range could be a possible cause.

Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM2K 319, Malta

From: nezih nezih
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 5:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Turkish Amel Owners

Merhaba Bill
Ty for your interest .Im an amel maramu owner since 1 year. Actually I couldnt do so much saling with this boat .I found this boat from Neatherland antilles in St.Martin.It was good price. But ex owner didnt care the boat. I needed to fixing and reparing since 1 year. And my english is not enough to understand tecnical problems. And Im not much experienced.I need to meet turkish friends who can explain me some problems on the boat in my language.Maybe?

Before this boat I lived a very worst event in marmaris. I was fell in love with amel maramu :) I found one in Marmaris-Turkiye name Tirnanog . The owner and the broker had cheated me .They belived me that amels dont have osmosis . After contract I lifted boat on land I spend alot of money sanded until gellcoat there was about 8-10 coats of antifouling . I saw osmosis blistering all around the hull. And there was a very big damage on the portside .I gave up to buy that boat. And the owner and the broker didnt pay my deposite back to me.They made the contrac ın english and wrote there responsible court is London. I missed this section .Im still hate them.
Anyway, Im happy now to have an amel maramu now. But need to much knowlodge about maramu's.I know there are alot ın amelowners group.But my poor english makes me nervous.
I also need to know ex owners of my boat. I changed the name as Mahayana. Old names was Angie and Argelita. I asked to Amel but they dont have any knowledge about them.
Nice to meet you.
See you again
Nezih
Mahayana AM 88

________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <mailto:yahoogroups%40svbebe.com>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 7:47 AM
Subject: [Amel] Turkish Amel Owners



Merhaba Nezih,

I do not know the names, but Riza Cagdas Cakir cagdas"at"emekmarin.com possibly does know the names. The next time I speak to him, I will ask him and email you directly.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, nezih nezih <mahayana2004@...> wrote:


Hi Judy and Bill
Im Turkish and have Amel maramu sailing at Caribbeans.
Do you know Turkish Amel owners ın Turkey.Who are they ? I should like to meet them ıf you have their contact adress like an email.
Ty ıf you can ınterest?,
Best wishes
NezihÂ
StMartin Mahayana 88

________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 8:42 AM
Subject: [Amel] Authorized Amel Service Representative in Turkey


Â

I learned that this year there were 63 Amels that visited Turkey and there are 2 Amels owned by Turkish citizens.

I also found an authorized Amel service representative in Gocek, Turkey. His company is also authorized to service Nordhavn Yachts. He is authorized to perform warranty service for these two brands.

I previously had an experience with the Amel service rep in Marmaris, Turkey. Although I know people who recommend the Amel service rep in Marmaris, I cannot recommend him because of a poor experience I had with him.

I am very impressed with the company and the people in Gocek, Turkey. It is Emek Marin Ltd.Sti and is managed by Riza Cagdas Cakir, the grandson of the founder. Yes, three generations!

Emek Marin has a 2,500 sq meter fabrication and machine shop with lathes and all types of machinery. They can literally do anything mechanical and can fabricate anything. They have service technicians that work in Gocek and in the yard at Gocek.

We have decided to haulout BeBe next year in Gocek with Emek Marin not only because I am impressed, but also because the haulout costs are less than anywhere else in Turkey that I am aware of. In fact, I believe it is the best price in Turkey. I asked Riza why the price was less. He said he negotiates for 25 to 50 haulouts with several facilities, then based on their service and price he refers all of his clients to his number 1 choice.

Riza grew up in his father's and grandfather's business, he is in his late twenties and has a PhD in Marine Engineering. If you own an Amel and are in Turkey, you must meet him in person, by email, or by phone. I am certain that you will not regret meeting him, and in a short discussion with him, I am certain you will learn something...I learned a lot!

Regarding his fabrication capabilities, I saw photographs of some of his work. I was really impressed with a fold-down swim platform and swim ladder that does not interfere with the steps or the rear bumper...pretty ingenious. You have to ask him about this if you have a SM.

If you are in Turkey and are looking for a winter haulout, any sort of maintenance or repair, fabrication of anything made from metal or fiberglass, painting, rigging, gelcoat repair, or antifouling; I suggest that you contact Riza.

Contact Information is:
Riza Cagdas Cakir
Marine Engineer

Emek Marin Ltd.Sti
Iskele mah 62b 48310
Gocek/Mugla/Turkey
Tel: +90252 645 2468
cagdas"at"emekmarin.com
http://www.emekmarin.com(their new website is under construction)

I know this must sound like a commercial, and I apologize if I am coming across that way. I have no commercial connection with Riza or his company. I do get excited when I find someone like him.

Hope this will help someone.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey

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Re: [Amel] Battery compartment problems

karkauai
 

What do you think is the problem, Eric?  I've never seen any corrosion at all on my batteries.
Kent
SM 243
KRISTY



________________________________
From: eric <kimberlite@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:28 PM
Subject: [Amel] Battery compartment problems


 
I just posted 3 photos of what I found in the battery compartment.
Please note the oxidation on the lugs, and the connectors.
With the last 2 sets of batteries the bus bars were shiny copper. You might want to check out your batteries.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM376


Re: Battery compartment problems

eric freedman
 

Sorry,
the photos are the last 3 in the larger kimberlite file.
ps how do i delete the smaller kimberlite file?
thanks
eric

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "eric" <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I just posted 3 photos of what I found in the battery compartment.
Please note the oxidation on the lugs, and the connectors.
With the last 2 sets of batteries the bus bars were shiny copper. You might want to check out your batteries.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM376


Battery compartment problems

eric freedman
 

I just posted 3 photos of what I found in the battery compartment.
Please note the oxidation on the lugs, and the connectors.
With the last 2 sets of batteries the bus bars were shiny copper. You might want to check out your batteries.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM376


Re: [Amel] Turkish Amel Owners

John and Anne on Bali Hai
 

Hello Nezih,
Very sorry to see your bad experience. We were moored alongside Tirnanog probably five or six years ago when the British owners were Jo and Pete and seemed very nice. They went on to Turkey where Pete took a course to become an instructor teaching on sailing courses for Yachtmaster etc we think in Bodrum or Marmaris. We think Jo returned to the UK and he stayed on teaching. Their Email address was sytirnanogataol.com and we have a phone no +905342449750.
We are surprised to see that there was osmosis as most Amels seem to escape this curse. Olivier at Amel told us that they felt that the use of high pressure washing at very close range could be a possible cause.

Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM2K 319, Malta

From: nezih nezih
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 5:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Turkish Amel Owners


Merhaba Bill
Ty for your interest .Im an amel maramu owner since 1 year. Actually I couldnt do so much saling with this boat .I found this boat from Neatherland antilles in St.Martin.It was good price. But ex owner didnt care the boat. I needed to fixing and reparing since 1 year. And my english is not enough to understand tecnical problems. And Im not much experienced.I need to meet turkish friends who can explain me some problems on the boat in my language.Maybe?

Before this boat I lived a very worst event in marmaris. I was fell in love with amel maramu :) I found one in Marmaris-Turkiye name Tirnanog . The owner and the broker had cheated me .They belived me that amels dont have osmosis . After contract I lifted boat on land I spend alot of money sanded until gellcoat there was about 8-10 coats of antifouling . I saw osmosis blistering all around the hull. And there was a very big damage on the portside .I gave up to buy that boat. And the owner and the broker didnt pay my deposite back to me.They made the contrac ın english and wrote there responsible court is London. I missed this section .Im still hate them.
Anyway, Im happy now to have an amel maramu now. But need to much knowlodge about maramu's.I know there are alot ın amelowners group.But my poor english makes me nervous.
I also need to know ex owners of my boat. I changed the name as Mahayana. Old names was Angie and Argelita. I asked to Amel but they dont have any knowledge about them.
Nice to meet you.
See you again
Nezih
Mahayana AM 88

________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <mailto:yahoogroups%40svbebe.com>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 7:47 AM
Subject: [Amel] Turkish Amel Owners



Merhaba Nezih,

I do not know the names, but Riza Cagdas Cakir cagdas"at"emekmarin.com possibly does know the names. The next time I speak to him, I will ask him and email you directly.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, nezih nezih <mahayana2004@...> wrote:


Hi Judy and Bill
Im Turkish and have Amel maramu sailing at Caribbeans.
Do you know Turkish Amel owners ın Turkey.Who are they ? I should like to meet them ıf you have their contact adress like an email.
Ty ıf you can ınterest?,
Best wishes
NezihÂ
StMartin Mahayana 88

________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 8:42 AM
Subject: [Amel] Authorized Amel Service Representative in Turkey


Â

I learned that this year there were 63 Amels that visited Turkey and there are 2 Amels owned by Turkish citizens.

I also found an authorized Amel service representative in Gocek, Turkey. His company is also authorized to service Nordhavn Yachts. He is authorized to perform warranty service for these two brands.

I previously had an experience with the Amel service rep in Marmaris, Turkey. Although I know people who recommend the Amel service rep in Marmaris, I cannot recommend him because of a poor experience I had with him.

I am very impressed with the company and the people in Gocek, Turkey. It is Emek Marin Ltd.Sti and is managed by Riza Cagdas Cakir, the grandson of the founder. Yes, three generations!

Emek Marin has a 2,500 sq meter fabrication and machine shop with lathes and all types of machinery. They can literally do anything mechanical and can fabricate anything. They have service technicians that work in Gocek and in the yard at Gocek.

We have decided to haulout BeBe next year in Gocek with Emek Marin not only because I am impressed, but also because the haulout costs are less than anywhere else in Turkey that I am aware of. In fact, I believe it is the best price in Turkey. I asked Riza why the price was less. He said he negotiates for 25 to 50 haulouts with several facilities, then based on their service and price he refers all of his clients to his number 1 choice.

Riza grew up in his father's and grandfather's business, he is in his late twenties and has a PhD in Marine Engineering. If you own an Amel and are in Turkey, you must meet him in person, by email, or by phone. I am certain that you will not regret meeting him, and in a short discussion with him, I am certain you will learn something...I learned a lot!

Regarding his fabrication capabilities, I saw photographs of some of his work. I was really impressed with a fold-down swim platform and swim ladder that does not interfere with the steps or the rear bumper...pretty ingenious. You have to ask him about this if you have a SM.

If you are in Turkey and are looking for a winter haulout, any sort of maintenance or repair, fabrication of anything made from metal or fiberglass, painting, rigging, gelcoat repair, or antifouling; I suggest that you contact Riza.

Contact Information is:
Riza Cagdas Cakir
Marine Engineer

Emek Marin Ltd.Sti
Iskele mah 62b 48310
Gocek/Mugla/Turkey
Tel: +90252 645 2468
cagdas"at"emekmarin.com
http://www.emekmarin.com(their new website is under construction)

I know this must sound like a commercial, and I apologize if I am coming across that way. I have no commercial connection with Riza or his company. I do get excited when I find someone like him.

Hope this will help someone.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey






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yest messahe--do not reply

eric freedman
 


Shaft brake---Again

eric freedman
 

Bill.

I did not take the brake pads off the assembly. My crewmember swore there
was only one spring.&#92; when he took it apart.

Guess what? After searching under the engine with a magnet, the elusive
second spring appeared.



Thanks,

Your photos motivated me to search for spring 2. Incidentally, amel has
switched from rods with c clips on them to regular bolts to hold the pads in
place.



Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 1:28 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: Shaft brake---Again





Eric,

There is only one spring. I haven't taken it apart, but the single spring
appears to be connected between the aft caliper and the forward caliper. The
forward caliper has two holes for a spring and the single spring is in the
hole closest to port.

Have you seen the additional photos I placed in the album
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/805005311/pic/lis
t

I did squeeze a mirror in there and all I see is a single spring.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Sailormon <kimberlite@...>
wrote:

Bill,

I finally got the correct brake pads from Amel with the wrong springs.



Would you mind taking a mirror and looking between the top and the bottom
of
the brake pad and tell me if you see springs on both brake pad shafts?

My previous one had only one spring. The mounting shaft ran through the
spring on I believe the aft brake pad.



Incidentally, there is a set screw mounted in the brake pad mount that
allows you to change the angle of the pad to the disk. This might help as
the old pads were worn on one end and if I knew about these set screws, I
could have possibly adjusted the angle and saved the old pads.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite







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From: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill
aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:48 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Turkish Amel Owners





Merhaba Nezih,

I do not know the names, but Riza Cagdas Cakir cagdas"at"emekmarin.com
possibly does know the names. The next time I speak to him, I will ask him
and email you directly.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , nezih nezih <mahayana2004@>
wrote:


Hi Judy and Bill
Im Turkish and have Amel maramu sailing at Caribbeans.
Do you know Turkish Amel owners ın Turkey.Who are they ? I should like
to meet them ıf you have their contact adress like an email.
Ty ıf you can ınterest?,
Best wishes
NezihÂ
StMartin Mahayana 88

________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@>
To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 8:42 AM
Subject: [Amel] Authorized Amel Service Representative in Turkey


Â

I learned that this year there were 63 Amels that visited Turkey and
there are 2 Amels owned by Turkish citizens.

I also found an authorized Amel service representative in Gocek,
Turkey.
His company is also authorized to service Nordhavn Yachts. He is
authorized
to perform warranty service for these two brands.

I previously had an experience with the Amel service rep in Marmaris,
Turkey. Although I know people who recommend the Amel service rep in
Marmaris, I cannot recommend him because of a poor experience I had with
him.

I am very impressed with the company and the people in Gocek, Turkey.
It
is Emek Marin Ltd.Sti and is managed by Riza Cagdas Cakir, the grandson of
the founder. Yes, three generations!

Emek Marin has a 2,500 sq meter fabrication and machine shop with
lathes
and all types of machinery. They can literally do anything mechanical and
can fabricate anything. They have service technicians that work in Gocek
and
in the yard at Gocek.

We have decided to haulout BeBe next year in Gocek with Emek Marin not
only because I am impressed, but also because the haulout costs are less
than anywhere else in Turkey that I am aware of. In fact, I believe it is
the best price in Turkey. I asked Riza why the price was less. He said he
negotiates for 25 to 50 haulouts with several facilities, then based on
their service and price he refers all of his clients to his number 1
choice.


Riza grew up in his father's and grandfather's business, he is in his
late twenties and has a PhD in Marine Engineering. If you own an Amel and
are in Turkey, you must meet him in person, by email, or by phone. I am
certain that you will not regret meeting him, and in a short discussion
with
him, I am certain you will learn something...I learned a lot!

Regarding his fabrication capabilities, I saw photographs of some of
his
work. I was really impressed with a fold-down swim platform and swim
ladder
that does not interfere with the steps or the rear bumper...pretty
ingenious. You have to ask him about this if you have a SM.

If you are in Turkey and are looking for a winter haulout, any sort of
maintenance or repair, fabrication of anything made from metal or
fiberglass, painting, rigging, gelcoat repair, or antifouling; I suggest
that you contact Riza.

Contact Information is:
Riza Cagdas Cakir
Marine Engineer

Emek Marin Ltd.Sti
Iskele mah 62b 48310
Gocek/Mugla/Turkey
Tel: +90252 645 2468
cagdas"at"emekmarin.com
http://www.emekmarin.com(their new website is under construction)

I know this must sound like a commercial, and I apologize if I am
coming
across that way. I have no commercial connection with Riza or his company.
I
do get excited when I find someone like him.

Hope this will help someone.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey

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Re: [Amel] Ship chandlers

eric freedman
 

There are many west marine stores all over Florida.

There is also a great store with new and a lot of very well priced equipment
in ft Lauderdale

http://www.sailorman.com/



Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Maria Estrada
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 3:54 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Ship chandlers





Hello,

I would like to know if someone could let me know about a ship chandler
located in between Fort Lauderdale and Florida.

I'm interested in electronics and comfort articles.

Thank you in advance,

Maria

SY PITU (Super Maramu #148)


Re: [Amel] Ship chandlers

Arca di Noè
 

Hi Maria,

ship chandler:

WESTMARINE
2401 South Andrews Avenue Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316
(954) 400-5323
www.westmarine.com

SAILORMAN
350 Florida 84, Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316
Phone: (954) 522-6716
www.sailorman.com

Bye bye

Ettore e Silvana
Arca di Noè (Mango n.50)


and Boat Us

-----Messaggio originale-----
From: Maria Estrada
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:53 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Ship chandlers

Hello,

I would like to know if someone could let me know about a ship chandler
located in between Fort Lauderdale and Florida.

I'm interested in electronics and comfort articles.

Thank you in advance,

Maria

SY PITU (Super Maramu #148)




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Ship chandlers

Maria Geiger
 

Hello,

I would like to know if someone could let me know about a ship chandler located in between Fort Lauderdale and Florida.

I'm interested in electronics and comfort articles.

Thank you in advance,

Maria

SY PITU (Super Maramu #148)


Re: Delete from group

Jose_Luis Isasi
 

Hi Ivar,

I will delete you if you have issues.

Fair Winds
JL
Group Moderator

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "ivarmylde" <mylde@...> wrote:

Hello,

I have sold my Amel SM. How can I cancel the membership of the group ?.

Rgds Ivar Mylde


Re: [Amel] Re: Rudder cables

Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@...>
 

On my Mango  51, the cables lasted 19 years...
I hope that with the thin film lubrication that I have started, the cables will never break, but in addition when I touch the helm, I have a real feel for the pressure on the rudder. In fact I felt this immediately after the first lubrication made 5 years after the intallation of the new cables. That, in itself, was and remains a good reason for this lubrication..
 
Serge V/ opera


________________________________
De : mikon18084 <mkbiz@...>
À : amelyachtowners@... 
Envoyé le : lundi 15 octobre 2012 6h44
Objet : [Amel] Re: Rudder cables
/

 

Hello Graham,

that is good to know. But is there any statement about the expected lifetime of the cables ?

Michael

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Graham Johnston <grahamjohnston42@...> wrote:

Dave,
I have a reply from Ultraflex regarding lubrication of the steering cable which confirms what I thought. By the way the same applies to the engine control cables, lubrication is not recommended.
 
 ' The cables are designed to have a lifetime grease with no additional lubrication required.'
 
Regards
Graham


________________________________
From: Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@...>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 6 October 2012, 20:05
Subject: Re: [Amel] Rudder cables

 
Graham,

Thank you for responding. I thought the same thing but the owner's manual I have for the boat mentions periodic lubrication. Maybe it was lost in translation?

Cheers,
Dave

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "GrahamJohnston42" <grahamjohnston42@> wrote:

Hi Dave,
Although it is a very long time since I used to install Teleflex steering systems I seem to recall that the cables are sealed for life and have a plastic/teflon type liner and lubrication was not recommended as mineral oils would damage the liner. There are no obvious lubrication points on our Ultraflex cables, so perhaps the same applies. I could be wrong though it is over 25 years since I last worked with them!

Regards
Graham




--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "Dave_Benjamin" <dave_benjamin@> wrote:

Since we're discussing rudder cables again, I'm hoping someone can offer clues on lubrication points on a Maramu. I have not figured out how to lube the system.

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "svbebe" <yahoogroups@> wrote:

Dave,

I believe Graham's explanation is very accurate and very clear. I would add to check quadrant tightness to the rudder post.

On Super Maramu #387, the quadrant is attached to the rudder post with a clamp and two bolts. We found that slightly loose bolts/nuts on the quadrant clamp allowed for 2-3" of helm movement.

How this helps you.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey



--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Graham Johnston <grahamjohnston42@> wrote:

Hi Dave,
We had similar play in our system when we bought Zephyr. The cables are just standard Teleflex type steering cables, in our case Ultraflex M53 19ft F53, and are easily adjusted. At the rudder end of each cable you will find that the cable is mounted in the bulkhead with a circular threaded flange. Simply use a pair of pipe grips to rotate the tubular metal end fitting and adjust both cables equally to remove most of the play. If you go too far the steering with become stiff. We have less than an inch play and the steeering is smooth and free.
 
I hope that I have explained this well enough if not let me know and I will send some photos.
 
Regards
Graham


________________________________
From: spritoaffine <captaingrey@>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2012, 21:01
Subject: [Amel] Rudder cables



 

Hello All
I have been reading old posts with regard to rudder cables hoping to find some information on the adjustment process. I have about 4 or 5 inches of free movement at the wheel rim before the rudder moves and this seems to me to be excessive

The Neco autopilot which I'm sure does not have the most sophisticated electronics by today's standards is easily confused by anything other than a smooth sea state and I wonder whether the aforementioned play is a contributory factor. Your thoughts please

I was happy to read in the posts of the system being able to work on one cable, let's hope it's never needed

David Worthington
Sharki148 Spirito Affine
Preveza Greece








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Re: [Amel] Questions

ogedm688 <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Eric,

I am considering all my options. In these times, the buy has to be right and fulfill what I need and want.

I chatted with a veteran Amel broker earlier this AM and I will stick to a standard, well maintained SM or SM2K.

Thanks.

Jean-Pierre

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Dear Jean â€"Pierre,

I do not know about the unusual prop shaft you have on the amel you are looking at .

However , I would not have anything but that drive that amel makes, it is so simple and extremely strong.



When I ordered my Amel, I went to the factory with a list of about 30 things I wanted changed.

They talked me out of every one of my “upgrades� except one, a lock on the masters cabin.



After 46,000 miles and 10 years they were correct, an Amel is perfect right out of the factory. If you get an Amel, do not be in a hurry to change it. Put a few thousand miles on it first. After 10 years , I still come across something that I had not noticed before and it still amazes me.



I would avoid the Amel with the prop shaft.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Germain Jean-Pierre
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 3:33 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Questions





Hello Ian,

Thanks for the comments. I've located a well used Oyster 54 but it would require extensive refit. I am considering other options including various Tayanas, Hylas, C & C, Van Den Stadt in alu and Najad.

A big question for me: what are the pros and cons of an SM vs SM2K… other than money differential. My problem is getting a definitive and accurate description of the improvements on the SM2K. If anyone has a complete list of the improvements from the SM to SM2K, please send it over!!!

For instance, the SM2K has a 3 zone AC/heating system and the genset is an Onan 3 Cyl (Yanmar engine) (1500rpm…. a very big plus for me as I want PEACE and QUIET!)

Lastly, the SM I'm contemplating does have a modified drive system; it uses a standard shaft drive. Looking at the ridiculous cost and complexity of the Amel C drive, the shaft drive seems a better mouse trap to me because of its simplicity and reliability. I could source, anywhere in the world, a new cutlass bearing, dripless shaft seal and shaft in 2 days for €500 …

Amel is very good but the over engineered gearbox and drive is a step backwards. To make matters more difficult, the SM I am considering is absolutely gorgeous after a refit with a light weight designer interior while retaining the Amel features worth keeping; eliminates catacomb feeling of Amel. This is a vessel with a difference and I could enjoy it without being annoyed by the dreary standard Amel interior.

I'll post photos if I buy it… me thinks all SM and SM2K owners may be jealous!

I hope I have not insulted anyone with my candid views. :-)

Jean-Pierre

On 15 Oct 2012, at 08:52, Ian Shepherd wrote:

Jean Pierre,

just before I bought my Super Maramu, I examined an Oyster 54 at a boat
show. The president of Oyster USA was on board and when I finished my
tour he asked me if I would consider buying an Oyster. I said to him
that I was not in a position to do so as I had just ordered an Amel. He
smiled and quietly said 'A very wise choice'. I think that says it all.
The Oyster was twice the Amel price and not as well equipped.

Ian Shepherd SM2000 #414 Crusader Kalamaki Marina Athens - till I get
the rope off my prop and head east!

On 04/10/2012 13:08, Anne and John Hollamby wrote:

Hello Jean Pierre,
Interesting that the price of a non-standard engine/drive system is
above that of a genuine Amel. I think most of us would be unhappy at
the thought of changing the drive system. Over the past twelve years I
have only heard of one C drive failure.
My last boat was an Oyster 435 built 1985 and we sailed it extensively
with several Atlantic crossings and ten years in the Caribbean and the
South Pacific. We finally got rid of it because we were fed up with
the fact that we could never stop the leaks through the toe rail
fastenings and the main chain plates. The retiring Sales Director told
us that the chain plates leak problem was a design fault with that
model. Other defects included fridge insulation using exfoliated mica
which is good for loft insulation but is reduced to a sort of porridge
when soaked and freezer insulation with foamed glass which was open
cell and soaked up bilgewater to become useless as well. It is our
view that Oysters are brilliant at promoting their product but that
ours was very heavy and not suited to short handed sailing in the way
that Amel excels. Also when we got our SM2K in 2001 the cost was about
one third of the price of an Oyster 54.

Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319

From: ogedm688
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Questions

Greets SV BeBe, (Bill)

Having spent some time on this forum, I am already aware of your
status as a "tech guru"…> :-). I am sure you have been thanked for your
efforts but I wish to add to the gang. Reading your clear and concise
explanations has given me a better understanding of what I am getting
into.

I asked about the C drive because the boat I am contemplating has had
a major mod done to it: the first owner, obsessed by a C drive failure
(far more free with his dosh than I) had the C drive removed, turned
the engine around then installed a ZF gearbox with a shaft drive. I've
asked for a complete description and list of each component used. I
don't get it…> .

However, the boat is absolutely pristine. Even more so than my present
Pegasus which is …> by my standards…> as new. So the vessel is worth
considering though a bit more expensive than the rank and file SM.

Thank you for your comments…> trying to choose between an Oyster and an
Amel is difficult. The Oyster is prettier (opinion of course) but the
Amel is more "user friendly"

Jean-Pierre

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Re: [Amel] Re: Smart Switch

eric freedman
 

Ian,

The box in the photo is the one that I was speaking about,

Please notice the black rubber coated shore power cable going into the box.

It runs all the way to the shore power plug.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 5:42 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: Smart Switch





Ian,

Possibly the following will help:

There is a solenoid switch that energizes when the generator is ON. This
switch turns OFF the connection to shore power and turns ON the AC power
from the generator. The concept being that the generator has preference to
the AC panel. This is discussed in section 7.5 of the "Super Maramu Owners
Manual."

There is a grey electrical box that is Labeled QUAI-GE which I believe
translates to DOCK-GE or Dock-Generator. I am certain that this will be the
box with the solenoid switch. I posted a photograph at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1949812811/pic/13
48990781/view?picmode=
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1949812811/pic/1
348990781/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc>
&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Also, the Prosine Inverter installed on BeBe has a sleep mode called Power
Save which turns OFF the output power until a load is detected.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Ian Shepherd
<sv_freespirit@...> wrote:


I believe that the SM is fitted with a Smart Switch that determines
whether the inverter, gen set or shore power supply AC to the boat. I am
having the occasional problem in that when the inverter is switched on
there is no AC. Starting the genset for a few seconds then switching off
usually cures the problem. MY suspicions point to the Smart Switch, but
I cannot find it. Can anyone please tell me where it is located? Battery
volts and loads are all normal.

IAn Shepherd SM2000 #414 Crusader Kalamaki Marina Athens Greece


Re: [Amel] Questions

eric freedman
 

Dear Jean –Pierre,

I do not know about the unusual prop shaft you have on the amel you are looking at .

However , I would not have anything but that drive that amel makes, it is so simple and extremely strong.



When I ordered my Amel, I went to the factory with a list of about 30 things I wanted changed.

They talked me out of every one of my “upgrades” except one, a lock on the masters cabin.



After 46,000 miles and 10 years they were correct, an Amel is perfect right out of the factory. If you get an Amel, do not be in a hurry to change it. Put a few thousand miles on it first. After 10 years , I still come across something that I had not noticed before and it still amazes me.



I would avoid the Amel with the prop shaft.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Germain Jean-Pierre
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 3:33 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Questions





Hello Ian,

Thanks for the comments. I've located a well used Oyster 54 but it would require extensive refit. I am considering other options including various Tayanas, Hylas, C & C, Van Den Stadt in alu and Najad.

A big question for me: what are the pros and cons of an SM vs SM2K… other than money differential. My problem is getting a definitive and accurate description of the improvements on the SM2K. If anyone has a complete list of the improvements from the SM to SM2K, please send it over!!!

For instance, the SM2K has a 3 zone AC/heating system and the genset is an Onan 3 Cyl (Yanmar engine) (1500rpm…. a very big plus for me as I want PEACE and QUIET!)

Lastly, the SM I'm contemplating does have a modified drive system; it uses a standard shaft drive. Looking at the ridiculous cost and complexity of the Amel C drive, the shaft drive seems a better mouse trap to me because of its simplicity and reliability. I could source, anywhere in the world, a new cutlass bearing, dripless shaft seal and shaft in 2 days for €500 …

Amel is very good but the over engineered gearbox and drive is a step backwards. To make matters more difficult, the SM I am considering is absolutely gorgeous after a refit with a light weight designer interior while retaining the Amel features worth keeping; eliminates catacomb feeling of Amel. This is a vessel with a difference and I could enjoy it without being annoyed by the dreary standard Amel interior.

I'll post photos if I buy it… me thinks all SM and SM2K owners may be jealous!

I hope I have not insulted anyone with my candid views. :-)

Jean-Pierre

On 15 Oct 2012, at 08:52, Ian Shepherd wrote:

Jean Pierre,

just before I bought my Super Maramu, I examined an Oyster 54 at a boat
show. The president of Oyster USA was on board and when I finished my
tour he asked me if I would consider buying an Oyster. I said to him
that I was not in a position to do so as I had just ordered an Amel. He
smiled and quietly said 'A very wise choice'. I think that says it all.
The Oyster was twice the Amel price and not as well equipped.

Ian Shepherd SM2000 #414 Crusader Kalamaki Marina Athens - till I get
the rope off my prop and head east!

On 04/10/2012 13:08, Anne and John Hollamby wrote:

Hello Jean Pierre,
Interesting that the price of a non-standard engine/drive system is
above that of a genuine Amel. I think most of us would be unhappy at
the thought of changing the drive system. Over the past twelve years I
have only heard of one C drive failure.
My last boat was an Oyster 435 built 1985 and we sailed it extensively
with several Atlantic crossings and ten years in the Caribbean and the
South Pacific. We finally got rid of it because we were fed up with
the fact that we could never stop the leaks through the toe rail
fastenings and the main chain plates. The retiring Sales Director told
us that the chain plates leak problem was a design fault with that
model. Other defects included fridge insulation using exfoliated mica
which is good for loft insulation but is reduced to a sort of porridge
when soaked and freezer insulation with foamed glass which was open
cell and soaked up bilgewater to become useless as well. It is our
view that Oysters are brilliant at promoting their product but that
ours was very heavy and not suited to short handed sailing in the way
that Amel excels. Also when we got our SM2K in 2001 the cost was about
one third of the price of an Oyster 54.

Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319

From: ogedm688
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Questions

Greets SV BeBe, (Bill)

Having spent some time on this forum, I am already aware of your
status as a "tech guru"…> :-). I am sure you have been thanked for your
efforts but I wish to add to the gang. Reading your clear and concise
explanations has given me a better understanding of what I am getting
into.

I asked about the C drive because the boat I am contemplating has had
a major mod done to it: the first owner, obsessed by a C drive failure
(far more free with his dosh than I) had the C drive removed, turned
the engine around then installed a ZF gearbox with a shaft drive. I've
asked for a complete description and list of each component used. I
don't get it…> .

However, the boat is absolutely pristine. Even more so than my present
Pegasus which is …> by my standards…> as new. So the vessel is worth
considering though a bit more expensive than the rank and file SM.

Thank you for your comments…> trying to choose between an Oyster and an
Amel is difficult. The Oyster is prettier (opinion of course) but the
Amel is more "user friendly"

Jean-Pierre

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Jean-Pierre Germain
Director Flight Operations
NOCLAF Limited
+44 7825 635 917
JPGermain@... <mailto:JPGermain%40noclaf.im>







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