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Re: Ground strap in bilge

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi Bill what’s your thoughts on using copper wire, instead of the strap. Will this provide enough electrical conductivity?

Regards

Ross
SV INTREPID KIWI
SM2K 356

On Sunday, October 20, 2019, 9:34 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

This is the one and only time that I will say that the Amel OEM part is not the best part.

Amel uses a thin copper foil for the bonding strap inside the gray water bilge. In terms of electrical conductivity, it is perfect. In terms of durability it is not good enough. The gray PVC float switch tube sits on top of the copper foil and will wear through the copper foil in a few years. If you buy the Amel OEM copper foil, I suggest you buy 2 because you will likely need to replace it again in a few years. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 1:34 PM Randall Walker <lladnarowen@...> wrote:
That is awesome Robin.
I will be onto it in the morning.

All the best,
Randall

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of robin hutter via Groups.Io <robin6658=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: October 20, 2019 2:31 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge
 
I think it was around 90 euros — just tell them the bonding strap for the bilge of a SM — they will know what it is.
It was easy to get to the cables but was a problem to loosen the nut on the keelbolt as we needed a special high tool (30 mm) as the boöt was to high for a normal one.

Robin 
Amel 54 # 54
Carré d‘As


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Am Sonntag, Oktober 20, 2019, 19:20 schrieb Randall Walker <lladnarowen@...>:

Thanks Robin,

Did you have an part order # for the strap. I'm in Spain and you would think copper is gold down here. I just cant find a supplier.
I am looking at doing the mast step as well. Eight hours you say, were the wires easy to get at?

Thanks again,
Randall
54 #56

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of robin hutter via Groups.Io <robin6658=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: October 20, 2019 7:57 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge
 
I got mine from Amel — you can check on our Blog

Robin
Amel 54 # 54in Roda de Bara
Carré d‘As

Re: Back up tablet navigation aid

Rob Hughes
 

Thanks for the input All it looks like there are a lot of options. i like open cpn but it will not work with IOS think i will invest in Aqua maps for now

Re: Ground strap in bilge

 

This is the one and only time that I will say that the Amel OEM part is not the best part.

Amel uses a thin copper foil for the bonding strap inside the gray water bilge. In terms of electrical conductivity, it is perfect. In terms of durability it is not good enough. The gray PVC float switch tube sits on top of the copper foil and will wear through the copper foil in a few years. If you buy the Amel OEM copper foil, I suggest you buy 2 because you will likely need to replace it again in a few years. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 1:34 PM Randall Walker <lladnarowen@...> wrote:
That is awesome Robin.
I will be onto it in the morning.

All the best,
Randall

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of robin hutter via Groups.Io <robin6658=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: October 20, 2019 2:31 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge
 
I think it was around 90 euros — just tell them the bonding strap for the bilge of a SM — they will know what it is.
It was easy to get to the cables but was a problem to loosen the nut on the keelbolt as we needed a special high tool (30 mm) as the boöt was to high for a normal one.

Robin 
Amel 54 # 54
Carré d‘As


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Am Sonntag, Oktober 20, 2019, 19:20 schrieb Randall Walker <lladnarowen@...>:

Thanks Robin,

Did you have an part order # for the strap. I'm in Spain and you would think copper is gold down here. I just cant find a supplier.
I am looking at doing the mast step as well. Eight hours you say, were the wires easy to get at?

Thanks again,
Randall
54 #56

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of robin hutter via Groups.Io <robin6658=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: October 20, 2019 7:57 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge
 
I got mine from Amel — you can check on our Blog

Robin
Amel 54 # 54in Roda de Bara
Carré d‘As

Re: Ground strap in bilge

 

This bilge bonding strap conducts micro volts. Stainless steel is much, much less conductive than copper. If I remember correctly, stainless steel has about 2-5% the conductivity of copper. Additionally, I had a client/engineer fashion one out of 1/8" x 2" stainless steel bar. He told me it was very difficult and to warn others that it wasn't worth it.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 12:00 PM Randall Walker <lladnarowen@...> wrote:
Thought of that, if that is all I can get it will be a last resort. Copper pipe is a blend of metal. I believe hat Bill R. is not a fan either. Hoping to find a good quality copper.
Thanks Keith take care

Randall

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Keith Tice via Groups.Io <b.tice=icloud.com@groups.io>
Sent: October 20, 2019 10:02 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge
 
Any plumbing supply store. Copper tubing. Use a hammer to flatten it into a sheet.

Regards,
Keith Tice
Bikini
SM2k #282



Re: Ground strap in bilge

Randall
 

That is awesome Robin.
I will be onto it in the morning.

All the best,
Randall


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of robin hutter via Groups.Io <robin6658@...>
Sent: October 20, 2019 2:31 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge
 
I think it was around 90 euros — just tell them the bonding strap for the bilge of a SM — they will know what it is.
It was easy to get to the cables but was a problem to loosen the nut on the keelbolt as we needed a special high tool (30 mm) as the boöt was to high for a normal one.

Robin 
Amel 54 # 54
Carré d‘As


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Am Sonntag, Oktober 20, 2019, 19:20 schrieb Randall Walker <lladnarowen@...>:

Thanks Robin,

Did you have an part order # for the strap. I'm in Spain and you would think copper is gold down here. I just cant find a supplier.
I am looking at doing the mast step as well. Eight hours you say, were the wires easy to get at?

Thanks again,
Randall
54 #56

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of robin hutter via Groups.Io <robin6658@...>
Sent: October 20, 2019 7:57 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge
 
I got mine from Amel — you can check on our Blog

Robin
Amel 54 # 54in Roda de Bara
Carré d‘As

Re: Ground strap in bilge

robin hutter
 

I think it was around 90 euros — just tell them the bonding strap for the bilge of a SM — they will know what it is.
It was easy to get to the cables but was a problem to loosen the nut on the keelbolt as we needed a special high tool (30 mm) as the boöt was to high for a normal one.

Robin 
Amel 54 # 54
Carré d‘As


Gesendet von Yahoo Mail für iPad

Am Sonntag, Oktober 20, 2019, 19:20 schrieb Randall Walker <lladnarowen@...>:

Thanks Robin,

Did you have an part order # for the strap. I'm in Spain and you would think copper is gold down here. I just cant find a supplier.
I am looking at doing the mast step as well. Eight hours you say, were the wires easy to get at?

Thanks again,
Randall
54 #56

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of robin hutter via Groups.Io <robin6658@...>
Sent: October 20, 2019 7:57 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge
 
I got mine from Amel — you can check on our Blog

Robin
Amel 54 # 54in Roda de Bara
Carré d‘As

Re: Ground strap in bilge

Randall
 

Thanks Robin,

Did you have an part order # for the strap. I'm in Spain and you would think copper is gold down here. I just cant find a supplier.
I am looking at doing the mast step as well. Eight hours you say, were the wires easy to get at?

Thanks again,
Randall
54 #56


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of robin hutter via Groups.Io <robin6658@...>
Sent: October 20, 2019 7:57 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge
 
I got mine from Amel — you can check on our Blog

Robin
Amel 54 # 54in Roda de Bara
Carré d‘As

Re: Ground strap in bilge

Randall
 

Thought of that, if that is all I can get it will be a last resort. Copper pipe is a blend of metal. I believe hat Bill R. is not a fan either. Hoping to find a good quality copper.
Thanks Keith take care

Randall


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Keith Tice via Groups.Io <b.tice@...>
Sent: October 20, 2019 10:02 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge
 
Any plumbing supply store. Copper tubing. Use a hammer to flatten it into a sheet.

Regards,
Keith Tice
Bikini
SM2k #282



Re: Ground strap in bilge

Keith Tice <b.tice@...>
 

Any plumbing supply store. Copper tubing. Use a hammer to flatten it into a sheet.

Regards,
Keith Tice
Bikini
SM2k #282

Re: Back up tablet navigation aid

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Hi Mark,

 

Not sure how this thread got mixed up as I did not ask the original question, that was Rob Hughes.

 

You have raised an interesting point about routing software. This is something I know nothing about and am certainly interested in getting. My chart plotter is Furuno, and I use Navionics on IOS. Any suggestions for compatible routing software?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: 19 October 2019 21:15
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Back up tablet navigation aid

 

Hi Paul,

 

We have been turned onto iSailor by other cruisers who use it. I downloaded the app and charts. It really works well. One of the very appealing features is you “rent” the charts rather than buy them at full price. The price of the rental averages about US$30 for a year and charts are automatically updated when newer versions become available.

 

http://www.isailor.us/

 

We use iSailor only as a secondary system to our main onboard ships custom PC running Nobeltec Time Zero: https://mytimezero.com/

 

We have used Nobeltec TZ  as our primary source for navigation since purchasing Cream Puff. We upgraded the ships PC to a solid-state computer custom built for us by Island Time PC and linked the PC to the NMEA 0183. Other aspects include integrated ActiveCaptain and AIS. In addition to a very comprehensive routing engine we have the ability to download weather and sea conditions while in-route using our sat-phone. This overlays onto the plotter and the routing engine will adjust the suggested course as necessary.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob Hughes via Groups.Io
Sent: 18 October 2019 23:36
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Back up tablet navigation aid

 

I just bought a new ios tablet to use as a secondary plotter. What programs are you using?  and what to stay away from. sailing the Bahamas and Caribbean.  


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: Mizzen mast paint.

John Clark
 

Hi Paul,
  I used a spray can mixed at a NAPA autoparts store.  Check the Forum for my post.  Am at work...will send you accurate paint code when I get home

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:48 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
I need to tuch up some patches on my mizzen boom. Going tu use Alwgrip but do not know the colour code for our 1999 vintage SM 2000#259. Anyone who can guide me to the right colour? 
Anyone who have painted your self who kan give advice on how to. What primer did you use?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 Lagos 

Re: Ground strap in bilge

Thomas Peacock
 

Cannot argue with the logic. We are fortunate, our strap seems to be pretty intact. But fashioning a copper connector by hammering a pipe has also been suggested, which seems easy enough.

When are you going down?

On Oct 20, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

A most interesting observation. Your thoughts?


On Oct 20, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

Randall why do you not do it in 316 stainless Steel? We had a workshop done it for us reccon it will last many years. Yes I heard the argument SS is a poor conductor and yes it is, but the current going in the strap are milli amps,so not importan,  And it is connected to the SS Keelbolts!
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 Lagos 

Re: Ground strap in bilge

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Why a copper strap at all then. Why not use heavy duty copper wire? 

Ross
INTREPID KIWI
SM2K 356
Currently in Croatia

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On Sunday, October 20, 2019, 2:45 PM, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

A most interesting observation. Your thoughts?


On Oct 20, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

Randall why do you not do it in 316 stainless Steel? We had a workshop done it for us reccon it will last many years. Yes I heard the argument SS is a poor conductor and yes it is, but the current going in the strap are milli amps,so not importan,  And it is connected to the SS Keelbolts!
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 Lagos 

Mizzen mast paint.

Paul Osterberg
 

I need to tuch up some patches on my mizzen boom. Going tu use Alwgrip but do not know the colour code for our 1999 vintage SM 2000#259. Anyone who can guide me to the right colour? 
Anyone who have painted your self who kan give advice on how to. What primer did you use?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 Lagos 

Re: Ground strap in bilge

Mike Ondra
 

A most interesting observation. Your thoughts?


On Oct 20, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

Randall why do you not do it in 316 stainless Steel? We had a workshop done it for us reccon it will last many years. Yes I heard the argument SS is a poor conductor and yes it is, but the current going in the strap are milli amps,so not importan,  And it is connected to the SS Keelbolts!
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 Lagos 

Re: Ground strap in bilge

Paul Osterberg
 

Randall why do you not do it in 316 stainless Steel? We had a workshop done it for us reccon it will last many years. Yes I heard the argument SS is a poor conductor and yes it is, but the current going in the strap are milli amps,so not importan,  And it is connected to the SS Keelbolts!
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 Lagos 

Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting

Will Stout <tango708@...>
 

Hi James,
I have painted my bumper twice during my ownership.  Once in 2015 in St Martin and just last week.  Each time I used a can of acrylic spray paint acquired at my local big box store intended for plastic yard chairs.  I found it to have excellent adhesion.  I simply sanded with 220 grit, cleaned and sprayed multiple coats.  The paint lasted 4 years before wearing through.  It did not flake or crack and cost less than $5. even in the Caribbean.  I was also able to find a excellent color match to the slightly off white Amel hull.

Will Stout
Anni Bea True SM 180
For Sale in Annapolis, MD.

Re: Have I lost the bow thruster prop ?

John Clark
 

Hi Nick,
    sorry for addressing you as Nicole in my last.  Darn spell-check and lack of proofreading...   The "manual" I received with Annie was in French and was mostly an engineering description of the vessel.  I learned how to use the Amel bow thruster service kit from this Amel Owners Forum.   Do a search of "bow thruster" and I am sure you will find written instructions. 

That said,  I am sure Bill Rouse's Amel textbook has a detailed set of instructions on how to drop and retrieve the bow thruster or as Bill himself suggested check out Alex's website for Super Maramu Nikimat.

I hope, and I do expect, that you simply lost the propeller.  It is an easy repair.  Some complaint that the Amel bow thruster is too exposed and prone to damage, perhaps true....but it is also so robustly designed and easy to service that it rarely requires a professional. My SM is 30 years old and is running on her original bow thruster parts...with the obvious exception of the prop.  Change the oil regularly and it will last almost forever.   This is true of almost all Amels of the SM vintage. 
The previous owner of Annie (FMR Vent de Soliel) had her for 16 years and stressed to me that regular greasing was the key to the vessel's health.  After purchase I sailed her for two years all around the Caribbean.  The only issues I had were with parts that were not lubricated so I give a lot of credence to his advice.   Those that failed were for the most part "sealed" so I cannot blame the previous owner.   As recommended in the forum I have since modified some parts(furling gears) to accept grease via zirc fittings, and others I have placed on a maintenance schedule to disassemble and clean regularly...similar to winch maintenance.   

Getting a grasp of the key maintenance items on your vessel will save you a lot of time, headache and money.  Take a few days to get intimate with the forum archives....or invite Bill to France....


Regards,  John

SV Annie SM 37
Brunswick GA....hopefully soon to be at sea again

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:52 PM Nicolas Klene via Groups.Io <laixoi=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you john, i'll look for the replacement kit on board or order it after double checking if the prop is still there...
Is the  replacement procedure documented in the boat manual (with part needed and tools ? )
I'm not on board...
Kindly
Nick
SM471
Port Corbieres
Near Marseille

Re: Ground strap in bilge

Hajo Hille
 

Randall
 
Here is the special link. You have to choose the material and the dimensions
 
Regards
 
Hajo
SM 150
 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. Oktober 2019 um 09:53 Uhr
Von: "Randall Walker" <lladnarowen@...>
An: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Betreff: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge
I know it has been on the forum many times. But I need to find a supplier of copper for making the grounding strap that goes to the keel.
Have been trying to source this in Spain. Is their someone who can point me to a supplier of a piece of copper 3mm x 50mm x 1500mm or 1/8" x 2" x 5 feet 6 inches. in Spain/Europe

Thank you
Randall
AMEL 54 #56

Re: Ground strap in bilge

robin hutter
 

I got mine from Amel — you can check on our Blog

Robin
Amel 54 # 54in Roda de Bara
Carré d‘As