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Re: Buying a Sharki

Ivica Curlica
 

Tnx 

pon, 24. velj 2020. 12:45 marklesparkle59 <marklesparkle59@...> je napisao:

Three problems I am addressing on Sharki#96 right now are the headlinings and the bulkhead in the aft cabin.  The 9mm bulkhead rots because water gets in between the plywood and the fibreglass of the cockpit, from the pocket behind the Mizzen in my case. First signs were a dark patch in the middle of the bulkhead. The water sits in hollow pockets, I think for years. Headlinings have been discussed on the forum recently and can be kept up with batons. I am replacing mine with a softer fabric and adding 5mm of insulation. 
The wind, depth and speed electronics, (B and G hornet 4) has expired after 36 years. The gelcoat on the deck will need attention .
Mark Porter
Sea Hobo
Sharki#96




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Re: Spade 180 on a 54

Peter Tiner
 

Hi Haldun

Thanks for a quick answer. Sorry i misspelled your name.

Some questions which you hopefully could easily  answer:
  1. Do you think its the 55kg which is on the picture?
  2. Did you have a second anchor next to the Spade 55Kg? if so which?
  3. Did you have any problems with fitting it to the bow? Any specials?
  4. When winching it up and back into its fitting, any problems?
Best regards

\Peter SY Maiken A54 #52


Re: Spade 180 on a 54

Halidun Karagoz
 

Hi Peter,
Yes i have a 55kg Spade, and i am very happy with it.
Cheers,
Haldun
sv Amanin A54#164
Gokova

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Konu: [AmelYachtOwners] Spade 180 on a 54

Hi all Amelians

I have a Wasi Bugel 42Kg fitted to my 54 and i´m going to switch to i think a 44Kg Spade. Yes, i know it´s big but i´m into "when your neighbors starts laughing , then it´s big enough". 
Now the tricky question, does it fit? 
Has anyone experience or have seen such on a 54?
I did come across a pic which looks like a 44 or even 55Kg on a 54, Amanin (see below). When browsing the forum i see that Mr Halidun Karagoz has been around here and maybe still is. If so i´d happy for some comments.

Regards

\Peter  SY Maiken A54 #52


Rub Rail insert

Patrick McAneny
 

I contacted Maud about buying a new rub rail insert ,she cannot provide an estimate for shipping. We are thinking it may be much more than we first estimated. Has anyone had the inserts shipped to the US., and tell us what the shipping cost were. The inserts are less than $900. I fear the shipping could be more than that.
Thank You,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Spade 180 on a 54

Peter Tiner
 

Hi all Amelians

I have a Wasi Bugel 42Kg fitted to my 54 and i´m going to switch to i think a 44Kg Spade. Yes, i know it´s big but i´m into "when your neighbors starts laughing , then it´s big enough". 
Now the tricky question, does it fit? 
Has anyone experience or have seen such on a 54?
I did come across a pic which looks like a 44 or even 55Kg on a 54, Amanin (see below). When browsing the forum i see that Mr Halidun Karagoz has been around here and maybe still is. If so i´d happy for some comments.

Regards

\Peter  SY Maiken A54 #52


Re: Buying a Sharki

marklesparkle59
 

Three problems I am addressing on Sharki#96 right now are the headlinings and the bulkhead in the aft cabin.  The 9mm bulkhead rots because water gets in between the plywood and the fibreglass of the cockpit, from the pocket behind the Mizzen in my case. First signs were a dark patch in the middle of the bulkhead. The water sits in hollow pockets, I think for years. Headlinings have been discussed on the forum recently and can be kept up with batons. I am replacing mine with a softer fabric and adding 5mm of insulation. 
The wind, depth and speed electronics, (B and G hornet 4) has expired after 36 years. The gelcoat on the deck will need attention .
Mark Porter
Sea Hobo
Sharki#96




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Re: Buying a Sharki

Aras
 

Once you have a good once over for general condition (pay attention to how it is kept) be sure to focus on drive shaft thru- hulls mast and rig.   
Mine looked great and I knew what I needed to replaced from the onset.
The general condition will give you clues where to focus.
Caveat Emptor as they say 
Bon chance

Aras
Sharki # 163

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 5:13 AM Ivica Curlica <ivica.curlica@...> wrote:
In mid march i will go with mine mechanic in Lefkas, Greece to look at Sharki any tips on what to look for on the boat as special problems on Sharki. 


Buying a Sharki

Ivica Curlica
 

In mid march i will go with mine mechanic in Lefkas, Greece to look at Sharki any tips on what to look for on the boat as special problems on Sharki. 


Re: SM2000 - Have you replaced your dishwasher by a fridge/freezer? #galley

Paul Osterberg
 

We ”replaced” our dishwasher, I built a freezer using polystyrene panels 10 cm in the sides, 15 cm in the bottom, in the top we used 13 cm. Total volume about 40 liters. As liner we used a ca 1 mm Polyethylene sheet that was easily formed with a heat gun. the compressor is cooled by circulating the freshwater, works excellent. Have not measured the energy it draws, but we notice that the compressor runs significant less time than the compressor for the front opening fridge. Temperature in the freezer around -10 C, can easily be down to -18 if one so wishes 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM #259
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SM2000 - Have you replaced your dishwasher by a fridge/freezer? #galley

Dominique Guenot
 

We are not using our dishwasher which is just taking space.

Have you replaced your dishwasher by a fridge/freezer?  or something else? 

Any experience greatly appreciated 

Thanks  
Dominique Guenot 
sv Viva #374
Papeete, French Polynesia  


Re: Beam IV : A55 ; Bonaire , [AmelYachtOwners] A55: fresh water pump system

 

The air pressure to the accumulator tank should be about 10-15% less than the pump cutoff pressure as noted on the pressure gauge of the water pump.
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On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:03 AM Stuart Hemingway <stuart@...> wrote:
Thank you Paul ,

I ‘l follow that protocol , thank you .

Bill’’s suggestion is really useful I’l follow up on that & report back.

Good too to have the further suggestion which we’ll keep in mind .
There should be plenty of bicycle pumps on this Dutch island...

Stuart  

Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA


Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,


 Grove Park Studios,

188-192 Sutton court Road,

Chiswick,

London,

W4 3HR

 

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On 23 Feb 2020, at 11:33, Paul Stascavage via Groups.Io <pstas2003=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Stuart,

Welcome to the forum my good friend. You will find a wealth of information here as well as some incredibly nice, knowledgeable, and helpful people.

Just an FYI. It is best if you include your boat name, model, hull number and location below your signature line. This information will assist those who respond as there are variations among models and hull numbers. Additionally,  knowing your location someone can often suggest services of suppliers or contractors in your area.

All the Best,

Paul Stascavage
S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466

RitaKathryn.com

Currently Cruising Bahamas





Beam IV : A55 ; Bonaire , [AmelYachtOwners] A55: fresh water pump system

Stuart Hemingway <stuart@...>
 

Thank you Paul ,

I ‘l follow that protocol , thank you .

Bill’’s suggestion is really useful I’l follow up on that & report back.

Good too to have the further suggestion which we’ll keep in mind .
There should be plenty of bicycle pumps on this Dutch island...

Stuart  

Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA


Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,


 Grove Park Studios,

188-192 Sutton court Road,

Chiswick,

London,

W4 3HR

 

Telephone

From the UK  :    001 561 371 2321

From the US  :    561 371 2321


E . Studio@...

W. www.groveparkstudios.co.uk.


On 23 Feb 2020, at 11:33, Paul Stascavage via Groups.Io <pstas2003@...> wrote:

Stuart,

Welcome to the forum my good friend. You will find a wealth of information here as well as some incredibly nice, knowledgeable, and helpful people.

Just an FYI. It is best if you include your boat name, model, hull number and location below your signature line. This information will assist those who respond as there are variations among models and hull numbers. Additionally,  knowing your location someone can often suggest services of suppliers or contractors in your area.

All the Best,

Paul Stascavage
S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466

RitaKathryn.com

Currently Cruising Bahamas





Re: A55: fresh water pump system

 

Yes, the lack of flow is caused by a lack of sufficient pressure. In my experience, the lack of pressure can be caused by:
  1. An open tap
  2. A break in the freshwater circuit
  3. A defective solenoid rinse valve on the water maker
  4. Defective solenoid flush valves on any toilet
  5. Defective anchor wash valve on the anchor wash (freshwater option)
  6. A defective impeller in the freshwater pump. (this pump has a metal impeller)
  7. A broken key securing the impeller to the shaft
  8. A defective one-way valve 
  9. Debris in the one-way valve
  10. Defective or out of adjustment Pressure Switch
        1 - 5 will result in a loss of freshwater.
        6 & 7 will probably result in zero pressure and no loss of freshwater
        8 & 9 can result in no pressure to partial pressure with no loss of freshwater
        10 will probably not be your issue because you said the pump is running constantly with insufficient pressure

        Stuart, the reason I did not go into detail in my first response is that you did not mention any loss of freshwater. The accumulator tank allows your freshwater pump to cycle less and have longer non-running periods. The tank allows for the accumulation of water pressure because of an expandable internal bladder which is supported by air pressure on one side. If/when the internal bladder fails or air pressure supporting the bladder reduces, the pump will cycle more often.

        I hope this clarification helps. I am sure that you understand the accuracy of remote diagnosis, especially with limited information.

        Best,

        CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
        Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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        On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 8:45 AM Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
        Stuart, I would try the following if the pump runs continuously.  The cause is likely a lack of pressure in the Accumulator tank.  At the tank, there is a blue cover which you can remove and where you can hook up a bicycle pump.  Turn off the pump and pump it up so the pressure shown on the meter is 2 bar.  See pic.  I hope this helps!  

        Joerg Esdorn
        A55 Kincsem


        Re: A55: fresh water pump system

        Paul Stascavage
         

        Stuart,

        Welcome to the forum my good friend. You will find a wealth of information here as well as some incredibly nice, knowledgeable, and helpful people.

        Just an FYI. It is best if you include your boat name, model, hull number and location below your signature line. This information will assist those who respond as there are variations among models and hull numbers. Additionally, knowing your location someone can often suggest services of suppliers or contractors in your area.

        All the Best,

        Paul Stascavage
        S/V Rita Kathryn SM #466

        RitaKathryn.com

        Currently Cruising Bahamas


        Re: A55: fresh water pump system

        Joerg Esdorn
         

        Stuart, I would try the following if the pump runs continuously.  The cause is likely a lack of pressure in the Accumulator tank.  At the tank, there is a blue cover which you can remove and where you can hook up a bicycle pump.  Turn off the pump and pump it up so the pressure shown on the meter is 2 bar.  See pic.  I hope this helps!  

        Joerg Esdorn
        A55 Kincsem


        Re: Bonding and grounding on Maramu

         

        Alan,

        Agree. 

        Best,

        CW Bill Rouse 
        Amel Owners Yacht School
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        720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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        On Sun, Feb 23, 2020, 2:31 AM Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:
        Hi Matt,

        I don't think that's right.
        Our ICOM setup, setup according to the installation instructions, has a heavy green yellow/wire from the SSB ground connection to the AT130 tuner.
        Then there is a heavy green/yellow wire from the AT130 tuner to the bolt connection in the lazarette which has copper tape connecting that bolt to the sintered bronze plates on the skeg.
        If you don't connect it like this , where does the ground for the SSB transmitter go? ... certainly NOT to the bonding system.
        In our ICOM SSB, the transmitter ground is internally connected to the 12V negative supply line, hence the need for an isolated power supply so that there is no connection between ground and 24V negative, which would compromise the bonding system via the seawater path between the sintered bronze plate and the anodes.

        Cheers
        Alan
        Elyse SM437


        Re: Headliner fix

        Mark Barter
         

        Our 1993 Super Maramu has the same fix except that the battens are white. It looks like it was tedious process to fit but the result is perfectly acceptable. I am not near the boat at the moment so I can't post a photo.
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        S/V Nunky
        SM 110


        Re: Bonding and grounding on Maramu

        Alan Leslie
         

        Hi Matt,

        I don't think that's right.
        Our ICOM setup, setup according to the installation instructions, has a heavy green yellow/wire from the SSB ground connection to the AT130 tuner.
        Then there is a heavy green/yellow wire from the AT130 tuner to the bolt connection in the lazarette which has copper tape connecting that bolt to the sintered bronze plates on the skeg.
        If you don't connect it like this , where does the ground for the SSB transmitter go? ... certainly NOT to the bonding system.
        In our ICOM SSB, the transmitter ground is internally connected to the 12V negative supply line, hence the need for an isolated power supply so that there is no connection between ground and 24V negative, which would compromise the bonding system via the seawater path between the sintered bronze plate and the anodes.

        Cheers
        Alan
        Elyse SM437


        Re: Headliner fix

        Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
         

        Hi Chip,

        Trilogy (1990 SM23) needed a fix for its failing headliner when I bought her in November 2017. First attempt was to remove all the old, toxic junk between the vinyl and fiberglass. It was a brutal task and a serious health risk as Joel makes clear. We tried 3M headliner adhesive spray hoping it would stick with the disintegrating foam layer removed. We tried this in just the bow first. It didn't last more than a month.
        The solution we ended up with was 1.25" wide x 0.25" thick strips of wood screwed into the ceiling about 1 foot apart. The wood we found was from an old wooden boat (marine quality and a good color match after some new varnish). We used this solution everywhere and it's holding up very well. Only if you reach up and touch the vinyl can you tell it's not really attached. I hesitated doing this at first because I wanted an original look and didn't want to put all those screws into the boat. Looking back, I wish I skipped the torture experiment in the bow and went with the wood strips first. There are other ways to tackle this issue, but these strips saved us a lot of time and money. Stay safe!

        Cheers,
        Mike Longcor
        SV Trilogy SM23
        Opua, NZ


        Re: A55: fresh water pump system

         

        Stuart,

        There could be several possible issues, but I suspect that if you are not losing water and only losing water pressure, there is a problem with the one-way valve on the freshwater pump. This valve is important to build pressure. When it is leaking, defective or blocked by debris, the pressure will not build and water pumped by the freshwater pump will return to the tank.

        The one-way valve is a brass fitting on the output of the freshwater pump. It looks like a simple brass connector, but inside is a valve. The photo below isn't your exact setup, but similar.

        I suggest finding the one-way valve and removing it for inspection. You did not say where you are located, but many plumbing shops will have this valve.

        Again, everything above is based on the fact that you dod not say that you are losing water and that the pump is running continuously with some pressure on an outlet close to the pump. There could be several other possibilities...the above is my guess based on what you wrote.

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        Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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        On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 8:09 PM Stuart Hemingway <stuart@...> wrote:
        Bill ,

        Being a newcomer to the Amel Yacht Owners Group I am not sure yet how to post a question and so I hope you don’t mind uf I address it to you.

        We have a lack of pressure in the two bathrooms and the fresh water pump runs continuously except when turned off on tbe 24v board.

        There seems to be plenty of pressure on the transom shower.

        Might there be a filter in the pump or a pressure switch at fault?

        Stuart
          

        Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA


        Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,


         Grove Park Studios,

        188-192 Sutton court Road,

        Chiswick,

        London,

        W4 3HR

         

        Telephone

        From the UK  :    001 561 371 2321

        From the US  :    561 371 2321


        E . Studio@...

        W. www.groveparkstudios.co.uk.


        On 22 Feb 2020, at 11:50, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

        
        Chip,

        I normally say something like, "trust the original design." But, "trust" is what got us to this point. I think Henri Amel trusted the polyfoam manufacturers to deliver a good product to the vinyl covering manufacturer. And, I believe that Henri Amel trusted the polyfoam backing on the headliner to last a lot longer, but so did most automobile manufacturers at the same time period.

        I really do not have the kind of thermal engineering background to be sure that the following comments are 100% correct, but I believe they are: 
        An Amel is an unusually dry boat, however, one can change the original design and unintentionally create barriers that aid/cause moisture to form from condensation because of a difference in temperature. This is sometimes inadvertently done by modifying refrigeration or air conditioning, and I assume could be done by adding a non-breathing barrier to the ceiling where the outside temperature and inside temperature can merge to create condensation. I believe that I am correct when I say that most boat builders use materials that breathe in these situations (including the foam layer on the backside of the vinyl in an Amel).

        I suggest recovering the ceiling with a foam-backed vinyl from a "trusted source."

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        Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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        On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 9:17 AM Chip Beaman <chip@...> wrote:
        Thank you Bill, I have read and spoke to folks about the daunting task of headliner replacement. To do it right, replacing the headliner is the right thing to do, I guess, that’s what I am trying to find out. The current owner did a fantastic job covering it and I love the look of it. My great concern, is mold growth in areas of higher humidity. Mold mitigation strategies are a given, regardless of the current liner solution. I just don’t know if it is a bridge to far to expect normal processes to keep mold from growing between the old liner and the covering material (painted plywood)???????
        Thank you Sir for all you do.

        Chip
        Future Amel Owner