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Re: Problem dismantling the main furler worm gear box

Aras Grinius
 

A few years ago I purchased bonfoglioli gear boxes from an outfit in Baltimore.  They were $125 each.
Aras
Sharki #163

On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 9:06 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Have problem to dismantle the shaft (see picture) from the main furling gear box. I need to get off the Aluminum "NOB" that connect to the main furler.
The inner shaft with the Aluminium "NOB" is totally stuck. Any suggestion how the get the aluminium "NOB" off the inner shaft?
Hopefully I can purchase the inner shaft from Maud, and maybe she has the Aluminium "NOB" as well. The Leroy Sumer gear box is available from Amel.
Anyone who have manage to get the worm gear off the outer shaft? On the out haul gear box the worm gear is attached with a retaining ring and easy to take off, but no retaining ring to be found in the furling gear box?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Iridium go external antenna location

Scott SV Tengah
 

Wolfgang, 

What do you mean same place ? On star board side of arch or on star board rail? 
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Problem dismantling the main furler worm gear box

Paul Osterberg
 

Have problem to dismantle the shaft (see picture) from the main furling gear box. I need to get off the Aluminum "NOB" that connect to the main furler.
The inner shaft with the Aluminium "NOB" is totally stuck. Any suggestion how the get the aluminium "NOB" off the inner shaft?
Hopefully I can purchase the inner shaft from Maud, and maybe she has the Aluminium "NOB" as well. The Leroy Sumer gear box is available from Amel.
Anyone who have manage to get the worm gear off the outer shaft? On the out haul gear box the worm gear is attached with a retaining ring and easy to take off, but no retaining ring to be found in the furling gear box?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Lubricants, Sealants, etc. & thanks to Bill Kinney

scentstone
 

Hi Bill and thank you again for the effort to ease the sailor's life.

May I just make a little addition to this, even if the products you're referencing are excellents ?

I was trained in La Rochelle by Daniel Jourdain who was the mechanics at Amel's pontoon for the last 20 years.

Amel use the reference Sogelub MD 466 EP in many locations as I did for years with very satisfying results…

[Note] Perhaps not very easy to get abroad but for those who like to know. I will be happy to help

Best

Fred

S/V ScentStone SM2K #375

 


Re: Iridium go external antenna location

Dan Carlson
 

Hi Courtney,  we keep it there all of the time. Just finished beating from Panama to the Dominican Republic via Cartagena.  I feel more secure with it there than in the rear lazarette.  It feels secure. 

Regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387



On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 4:35 PM Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks Dan what type of sailing are you comfortable with it there?
Cheers and many thanks


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Mar 4, 2020 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Iridium go external antenna location

Courtney, here are some more photos of the engine bracket.  I have seen it on other Amels.  The wood is a real Marine laminate. There are two SS straps that giver the top rail and hold it all together, as well as the engine clamps.  It straddles one of the verticle supports for the rail. And is positioned for easy lifting with the mizzen ballooner halyard or a line thru a block at the mizzen spreader. 

Let me know if you have additional questions. 

Regards, Daniel


On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 2:01 PM Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Dan would you mind sending me a picture of your outboard I like the way it is secured also did you add any reinforcement to the board it is attached to?
Cheers
Courtney
Trippin


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Mar 4, 2020 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Iridium go external antenna location

Hi Scott, here is a picture of my antenna mount, the wire pass thru the deck with compression fitting, and the inside mount by the nav station. I used an existing hole in edge of the deck. I also installed the same compression fitting in the hole through the bulkhead into the rear cabin.  This allows the slightly oversized hole for the cable to pass.  It took most of the cable length I had (probably the same as you) to reach the nav stations.

We are not are of any issues with the signal. Used it half of last season and the last few months if this season across the Caribbean from Panama to the DR.  

We never touch the Iridium unit itself except to turn it off once in a while.  We have a 5 USB port charging block there for keeping all of our other devices charged up as well.

It was not that difficult on an SM. Just a few tight turns around the aft hanging locker. 

Best regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 10:04 AM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
Hi all,

We just scored a great deal on a used Iridium Go with the external antenna. It comes with 12m of antenna cable and the mount for steel tubes. 
https://www.predictwind.com/iridium-go/#purchase-options

Any suggestions on where to mount the external antenna? I'd like to mine your collective knowledge before I start drilling any new holes. We have a large aft solar arch and assume putting it back there would degrade the signal. 

Additionally, how have you all run the thick antenna cable into the boat? I would like to put the Iridium Go at the nav station, but that's not a requirement. 

Thanks in advance!
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com



Re: Iridium go external antenna location

Arno Luijten
 

I’ve used an Iridium Go on a ocean trip once and did not use an external antenna at all. If you put the put the device under the sprayhood it works fine. You can get a waterproof USB cable for the power supply and that is all you need apart from an USB charger outlet at the helm. When I talked to the supplier about this he said the value of the external antenna is very limited.
Predict wind offers a unlimited data contract but I had exactly the same from a local supplier for the same money. 
I’m actually very curious when Iridium will introduce an updated model that can make use of the higher data speeds now offered by Iridium because of the new satellite infrastructure. The 2400 baud of the Iridium GO is really sloooow....

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: More Options for Rub Rail Inserts

Karen Smith
 

We have enough people interested in signing on, it's looking like a go.  We'll be in touch with the manufacturer Monday morning to deliver a sample off Harmonie so they can design the die, get details, and finalize price and schedule.

So if you are on the fence about it, get in touch and let us know you're interested.


Re: Front furler Bamar MEJ upgrade to EJF? Is it worth it?

Scott SV Tengah
 

No, they kept the original Amel spec. 


On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 5:27 PM Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:
Hey Scott, I forgot to ask you. Did Phillip upgrade the size of your main mast shrouds when you replaced your standing rig - as noted by Bill Rouse?
I just missed that and may have him upgrade the size when I go back next year.
Safe travels.
Jamie
Phantom A54 #44


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Front furler Bamar MEJ upgrade to EJF? Is it worth it?

Jamie Wendell
 

Hey Scott, I forgot to ask you. Did Phillip upgrade the size of your main mast shrouds when you replaced your standing rig - as noted by Bill Rouse?
I just missed that and may have him upgrade the size when I go back next year.
Safe travels.
Jamie
Phantom A54 #44


Re: Front furler Bamar MEJ upgrade to EJF? Is it worth it?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Oh and while you're in ther area, I'd suggest having Caraibe Marine do it in Le Marin, Martinique. Pick up some spare parts from the Amel office while you're there.
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Front furler Bamar MEJ upgrade to EJF? Is it worth it?

Scott SV Tengah
 

I have had the Bamar EJF for about a year and a half. They are definitely better than the old MEJ, but I did have to replace the Genoa EJF AGAIN after 6 months due to water ingress. Luckily Bamar covered it. My MEJ sounded like a dying cat and then eventually just gave up. Apparently the top seals dry out and water fills them. The EJF seem to work pretty well, though I wish I didn't have to replace the staysail furler since it really doesn't have super heavy loads. A manual system there would have made me perfectly happy.

Secondly, I was getting corrosion between the black aluminum casing and the stainless. As Olivier mentioned, prior to 2009, the bonding system and hence "mass light" was not connected to the rigging. I had an electrical leak related to the bow nav lights and a bit from the starboard windlass and it was causing all sorts of corrosion and wasn't detectable using the mass light. I've since fixed the electrical leak and through my replacement Shakespeare VHF antenna, the rigging is connected to the bonding system (as it is 2009+ Amels).
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Lubricants, Sealants, etc. & thanks to Bill Kinney

Mark Erdos
 

I have used Molykote on the water-maker to lube the seals for assembly. Good stuff!

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Galapagos

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 3:54 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Lubricants, Sealants, etc. & thanks to Bill Kinney

 

All,

 

Most of you know Bill Kinney. He is aboard SM #160 Harmonie with Karen Smith. He hasn't posted to the group lately, and I mentioned that to him recently. About a week ago, I ran into Bill and Karen when I went to dinner in Ft Lauderdale with mutual friends, Jeremie and Diane Mailloux, A54 #45 LEMA. I had a great time with this diverse group.

 

Anyway, to my point. Bill found something better than Trident Silicone grease, which I recommend for O rings, etc. Bill's find is made by DOW and is MOLYKOTE. It is very similar to Trident, except that it is much thicker and stickier. After recommending Trident for well over 10 years, I have switched my recommendation to MOLYKOTE. BTW, it is especially good for mounting an O Ring vertically like when working on a Jabsco "Not So Quiet" Macerator Pump. If you have owned an Amel with electric flush for longer than 6 months, you know what I mean!😀

 

I have included a page from my book on recommended Lubricants, Sealants, etc. Note the little Amazon "a." All, but one of these is available on Amazon.

 

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Re: More Options for Rub Rail Inserts

Patrick McAneny
 

Karen, On my property I have two ponds, a stream and two waterfalls all lined with EPDM , the liner is supposed to last at least twenty years. However I built another pond for a house I built 32 yrs.ago for a client, and that liner is still intact ,and some of it has been exposed to partial sun all these yrs. So its tuff stuff. I will leave mine long as Gary Silver suggested , and cut it a bit short if its hot ,or leave long if cooler .  Count me in if you put it together, 
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Karen Smith via Groups.Io <karenharmonie@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Mar 6, 2020 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] More Options for Rub Rail Inserts

We do not yet know for sure what the old inserts are made of, but EDPM rubber is used uncovered as a membrane for flat roofs, and typically has a warranted life span of 30 years.

Rubber like this is actually only about 25% EDPM plastic.  They are roughly 50% "filler/pigment".  For black rubber, this might be carbon black, for white it would be titanium dioxide, for red it would be a blend of iron oxide.  The rest of the formulation is various "oils" that serve to make it "rubbery" instead of brittle. If the wrong oils are used, they can evaporate over time, and the whole part shrinks.  We will confirm the long term dimensional stability of the extrusion with the manufacturer.  I'm thinking that over 50 feet, shrinkage of 1" is tolerable, leaving just a bit more of a gap at the back of the rail than it started with.  That's about 0.2%, and gives me a number to look for.


Re: More Options for Rub Rail Inserts

Karen Smith
 

We do not yet know for sure what the old inserts are made of, but EDPM rubber is used uncovered as a membrane for flat roofs, and typically has a warranted life span of 30 years.

Rubber like this is actually only about 25% EDPM plastic.  They are roughly 50% "filler/pigment".  For black rubber, this might be carbon black, for white it would be titanium dioxide, for red it would be a blend of iron oxide.  The rest of the formulation is various "oils" that serve to make it "rubbery" instead of brittle. If the wrong oils are used, they can evaporate over time, and the whole part shrinks.  We will confirm the long term dimensional stability of the extrusion with the manufacturer.  I'm thinking that over 50 feet, shrinkage of 1" is tolerable, leaving just a bit more of a gap at the back of the rail than it started with.  That's about 0.2%, and gives me a number to look for.


Lubricants, Sealants, etc. & thanks to Bill Kinney

 

All,

Most of you know Bill Kinney. He is aboard SM #160 Harmonie with Karen Smith. He hasn't posted to the group lately, and I mentioned that to him recently. About a week ago, I ran into Bill and Karen when I went to dinner in Ft Lauderdale with mutual friends, Jeremie and Diane Mailloux, A54 #45 LEMA. I had a great time with this diverse group.

Anyway, to my point. Bill found something better than Trident Silicone grease, which I recommend for O rings, etc. Bill's find is made by DOW and is MOLYKOTE. It is very similar to Trident, except that it is much thicker and stickier. After recommending Trident for well over 10 years, I have switched my recommendation to MOLYKOTE. BTW, it is especially good for mounting an O Ring vertically like when working on a Jabsco "Not So Quiet" Macerator Pump. If you have owned an Amel with electric flush for longer than 6 months, you know what I mean!😀

I have included a page from my book on recommended Lubricants, Sealants, etc. Note the little Amazon "a." All, but one of these is available on Amazon.

Lubricants, Sealants, etc. for Extreme Marine Environments.jpg
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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Re: More Options for Rub Rail Inserts

karkauai
 

Hi Joel, thanks for that info.  We are looking at a paint made specifically for EPDM.  Do you know if anyone has tried that?  Is the OEM insert made of EPDM?
Thanks again
Kent and Iris
SM 243
Kristy

On Mar 6, 2020 1:52 PM, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Once again, more than you ever wanted to know about something Amel,

 

As preparing Amel boats for resale has been a major part of my life for nearly 40 years now, putting the best face forward to new prospects is important, especially the first moments they see the boat. You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

All the Amel synthetic rubber rub rails such as on the older Kirk, Euros , Meltem, Sharki, Maramu and Mango and then the scupper/filler type on the Santorin and all but the last series of Red Line Super Maramu 2000’s are generally one of the hardest items to make look like new for more than a month or so once the sun has had its way with them. Once they get sun scorched and dry, nothing really brings them back much beyond preservation stage.

 

As our main concern seems to be Santorin and Super Maramu, I can tell everyone for certain that there is but one “size/profile” for the rub rail insert be it brown or white, Santorin or Super Maramu of all production years. The width between the inner edge of the rub rail to the outside of the bulwark is the same for both models. Just to be absolutely 100% sure of this, I asked Olivier to verify this and he was pleased to do so.

 

On the last of the SM 2000 series, 2004 until the end and the Amel 54, Amel installed a hard PVC insert that had as much ultra-violet protectant stirred in as chemistry would allow, so I was told. This true improvement also fits but is a real challenge to install without breaking it and is also a pain to ship as it is more rigid so bigger circles are required. It is quite a bit lighter , though. I did a side on two different boats that had some hurricane damage and it was such a PITA that I forced myself to forget how to do it least I would be required to do it again. Not for faint hearts, stick with the synthetic rubber.

 

I hope Bill Kinney can come up with the replacement being discussed. I’ll probably join in to keep some in reserve, as long as it has more anti ultra-violet agent than what it replaces.

 

All The Best, Joel       

 

       JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 9:24 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] More Options for Rub Rail Inserts

 

Eventually, UV exposure takes its toll. The surface finish can be restored in any number of ways, but eventually, the thin edges of the rubber begin to crumble. At that point it is only a matter of time before things go further and the rubber fails.

If your insert is in good shape, a regular application of 303 will help keep the UV at bay. Ours is old enough that the thin edges have become brittle and started to crack, there isn't anything that will bring that back. 



Re: More Options for Rub Rail Inserts

karkauai
 

Thanks Karen/Bill, we are interested depending on price.  We'd have to take it with us on a plane.

Iris looked up EPDM and found a potential problem of shrinkage when used on roofs.  Can you ask the manufacturer what we could expect in that regard.

Thanks again.
Kent and Iris Robertson
SM 243
Kristy

On Mar 3, 2020 5:24 PM, "Karen Smith via Groups.Io" <karenharmonie@...> wrote:

Hey group,

 

We have done a little digging into the possibility of US based production options for the rub rail inserts. Seems a good option instead of shipping relatively inexpensive, yet bulky and heavy material across the ocean.

Companies doing custom, short-run rubber extrusions are pretty common in the industry. We contacted a local manufacturer who specializes in things like rub rails for inflatable boats to see if they could produce the Amel rub rail insert in low quantity and at reasonable cost. 

 

The basic answer is, yes they can. They have seen a dimensioned drawing of the insert, and confirmed that they can make it without technical difficulty. It would be made of EDPM, the premier rubber formulation for UV exposure. Not sure about color yet.

 

There isn’t enough information yet to set a hard price, but it looks like the MAXIMUM cost would be $800 per boat, and it could be as little as half that, plus UPS domestic ground shipping.

 

The process would look like this:  If we get enough interest, I’ll trim a bit off my insert and give to the engineers so they can finalize the design of an extrusion die.  They then run off a prototype piece and I would test it for fit on my boat.  If all is good, a 50% deposit would hold a place in the production run.

 

If there is sufficient interest, we could have material in hand in 3 weeks.

 

At this point we have gone as far as we can go without having a read if there is enough interest in going further, so if this is something you’d want to participate in, or if you just have questions, drop an e-mail to greatketch@...

Karen Smith,
Bill Kinney
SM Harmonie #160
Fort Lauderdale, FL



Re: More Options for Rub Rail Inserts

amelforme
 

Once again, more than you ever wanted to know about something Amel,

 

As preparing Amel boats for resale has been a major part of my life for nearly 40 years now, putting the best face forward to new prospects is important, especially the first moments they see the boat. You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

All the Amel synthetic rubber rub rails such as on the older Kirk, Euros , Meltem, Sharki, Maramu and Mango and then the scupper/filler type on the Santorin and all but the last series of Red Line Super Maramu 2000’s are generally one of the hardest items to make look like new for more than a month or so once the sun has had its way with them. Once they get sun scorched and dry, nothing really brings them back much beyond preservation stage.

 

As our main concern seems to be Santorin and Super Maramu, I can tell everyone for certain that there is but one “size/profile” for the rub rail insert be it brown or white, Santorin or Super Maramu of all production years. The width between the inner edge of the rub rail to the outside of the bulwark is the same for both models. Just to be absolutely 100% sure of this, I asked Olivier to verify this and he was pleased to do so.

 

On the last of the SM 2000 series, 2004 until the end and the Amel 54, Amel installed a hard PVC insert that had as much ultra-violet protectant stirred in as chemistry would allow, so I was told. This true improvement also fits but is a real challenge to install without breaking it and is also a pain to ship as it is more rigid so bigger circles are required. It is quite a bit lighter , though. I did a side on two different boats that had some hurricane damage and it was such a PITA that I forced myself to forget how to do it least I would be required to do it again. Not for faint hearts, stick with the synthetic rubber.

 

I hope Bill Kinney can come up with the replacement being discussed. I’ll probably join in to keep some in reserve, as long as it has more anti ultra-violet agent than what it replaces.

 

All The Best, Joel       

 

       JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 9:24 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] More Options for Rub Rail Inserts

 

Eventually, UV exposure takes its toll. The surface finish can be restored in any number of ways, but eventually, the thin edges of the rubber begin to crumble. At that point it is only a matter of time before things go further and the rubber fails.

If your insert is in good shape, a regular application of 303 will help keep the UV at bay. Ours is old enough that the thin edges have become brittle and started to crack, there isn't anything that will bring that back. 


Re: Bottom paint removal problem

Craig Briggs
 

I used to strip my old cruiser-racer every 2-3 years and did my Amel when I got it in 2000. No worries whatsoever about stripper on gel coat. I used the most aggressive one I could  find, and that was before all the "green" regulations - beautifully caustic goop! Took 2 applications and putty knife removal, then I'd finish up with bronze wool dipped in stripper to get the last bits of paint off. Worked like a dream. Makes a great above-the-waterline gel coat cleaner, too. 
Craig


Re: Iridium go external antenna location

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

You want to keep your cable as short as possible.  The longer the cable, the more cable loss you will have.  I put the IridiumGo inside the cabinet above the sink.  It is just below the steering box and thus there is only a 6' cable to the antenna.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHpFEHGCyqg
At 6:54 minutes you will see the installation of the IridiumGO..  The best place to get the service is through PredictWind.

I have a 15M cable that I didn't use because of the cable loss.

Ken